I'm not required to give you identification unless you can reasonably articulate a crime that I have committed. This is not a stop and ID state. So, you're obstructing an investigation. >> obstructing. Obstructing is a secondary crime that I have to be committed I have to be convicted of committing a crime in order to be obstructing. A vague suspicious person call quickly turns into a tense confrontation when officers stop a man and demand identification without clearly stating any crime. As their reasoning shifts and contradictions begin to surface, the man calmly stands his ground questioning the legal basis of the stop and refusing to comply without justification. What follows is a revealing back and forth where confidence starts to fade. In the end, with no clear law or reasonable suspicion to stand on, the officers are forced into a quick and quiet retreat. Can I get your information, please? Am I suspected of committing a crime? I got a call Okay. about a suspicious person who was walking up and down the road approaching houses. Okay. I'm investigating a potential crime. Okay. Are you going to give me your information so that I can investigate? You suspect me of committing a crime, but I can just tell you that I was on the sidewalk. So, you have your ID yet? I'm not going to provide you with ID unless I've committed a crime. I'm investigating a potential crime. Okay. What crime are you investigating? >> is saying that you are taking pictures of more than one house. Okay. Okay? It is my job to make sure that you are not casing any houses. >> Okay. All right? >> What crime do you suspect me of committing? I've already explained that to you multiple times. >> yep. >> Okay? So, you suspect me of being suspicious. There was a call Mhm. of you taking pictures and approaching houses. I was not. >> Okay. Well, that's the call. You've asked me to explain myself and I'm explaining myself and I'm explaining why we're investigating, okay? I'm explaining why you are required to give me your information. >> to give you identification unless you can reasonably articulate a crime that I have committed. This is not a stop and ID state. So, you're obstructing an investigation. >> obstructing. Obstructing is a secondary crime that I have to be committed I have to be convicted of committing a crime in order to be obstructing. And I'm trying to obtain your information so I can verify that you're here for a legal purpose. I am here for a legal purpose. >> Okay. And what purpose is that? I am doing an inspection on a house. Okay. And who do you work for? So, you want to you want my information to verify that I am here for a legitimate reason. If you're not Why wouldn't you ask the homeowner who's standing behind me? And I I can. >> Okay. That's part of my investigation, but right now you're not cooperating with that. I don't feel that I'm not co- I feel that I am cooperating. >> have already been done and gone with with this, okay? >> I'm suspected of committing a crime. You have yet to articulate with reasonable suspicion a crime that I have committed. I have dispelled, I believe, I have dispelled any evidence of me committing a crime. So, what crime have I committed? Or do you suspect me of committing? We got a call that said that you were taking pictures and approaching multiple houses. That you were currently at this house. It's my job to investigate >> Yep. and identify people who could be potentially committing crimes in the neighborhood, all right? I need your identification so that I can verify >> Okay. I would suggest that you talk to the complainant. Can I request a supervisor? I'm requesting a supervisor. I'm formally requesting a supervisor. And I'm formally requesting your information. Not to mention >> Is that a lawful order? >> Yes, it is. No, it's not. Okay. You're You're attempting to use the color of law, which would be violating my rights. I'm not violating your fourth amendment rights. >> Yes, you are. You're attempting to You have not done it yet, but you're attempting to. What's your name and badge number, please? Is that how you answer the judge? That's how you answer the judge, you just point at your >> Right here. Yeah. The other concern is that if you are going house to house, which is the call that we got. So, that is if I am peddling or panhandling, which I am doing neither of which. >> what we're trying to identify, right? Which is also a crime. Okay. So, I do have a legal right to obtain your identification as I've explained on multiple occasions. So, I am not peddling? Sir, have I solicited you for anything? Do you understand why this is way more complicated than it needs to be? Because I'm expressing my rights? I'm exercising my rights? That's why it's a problem? >> exercising your rights. I am. You're not. I've explained the legal right that I have to obtain that information. No. >> And you are obstructing that investigation. >> crime. >> And not allowing me to further >> So, cite me a Give me a statute that tells me that you suspect me of committing a crime. You have to supply me with reasonable articulated suspicion of a crime. What is the crime that you suspect me of committing? >> I've explained that multiple times. I don't know how else to explain that to you. Can I request the incident number? Officer Matthews, are you not going to provide me with the incident number when I requested it or the supervisor when I requested a supervisor? If you want to talk to somebody, you can call, okay? Okay, who's your I'm not going to provide you with your information. I'm not going to provide you with the incident number because What's your sergeant's name? It's Sergeant Henley. Sergeant Henley? Okay, perfect. Thank you. I'll be filing up with a formal complaint.