So, according to this Are you going to let me see your camera? No. Okay, so I don't know if you're against theirs, right? >> Not unless you're going to arrest me for something. >> have your ID on you? This code right here. I'm asking the questions. >> I I'm asking the question. What's your name? I don't even know who you are. What's it say right here? You can get your camera and I'll leave. One camera, a public sidewalk, and a controversial demand for ID caused the situation to escalate within minutes. Failure to ID. It only says I have to ID if I'm being charged with a crime. Do you suspect me of a crime? Yeah, trespassing. When police confuse suspicion with legal grounds, every action can be recorded and brought before a court. A man in a Halloween costume stood filming in front of federal property, and just seconds later, a tense confrontation with a postal worker erupted, setting off a chain of events no one expected. Well, this is federal property. You can't take pictures of federal property. Who are you, sir? Well, what does it look like? Someone in a Halloween costume. This is federal property. I guess if you say you're in a Halloween costume. >> you go. This is federal property. You don't need to be photographed. >> I I'm asking you who you are. But before you start before you start running your mouth, why don't you explain who you are? You need to go. >> You go. Go back to work. Deliver the mail. You are dismissed. You are dismissed. You Then call the cops. And then you'll And then you'll get educated. You'll get educated. I'm going to document your education today. Why don't you go read poster seven? I know what education is. Then then why don't you go read poster seven? Your Go read your poster seven on the inside, sir. About what? Photography. Not to mention, you marched [music] standing in the middle of the street, marched across where federal property is over to where public property [music] is, and started barking orders about nothing. About barking orders about nothing. Barking orders about nothing. Don't talk to you. You came to me. You came to meet that wit. You came to meet that wit. I didn't come to you. You walked You walked from your property [music] all the way Oh. So, what? Do something about it. Do it. Good morning. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you doing? Good. Just curious what you're up what you're up to. That's all. I'm doing a little bit of photography. Okay. Okay. Somebody said uh you know, anytime uh you know, the post office might hear something out there just sitting here video taping. As the heated argument with the postal worker was still unfolding, it seemed like the situation would only escalate until, unexpectedly, someone else stepped in. The shouting faded. The threats disappeared. But was this calm the sign of a peaceful ending, or just the quiet moment before everything took an unpredictable turn? I figure, you know, I've seen three dropped packages and uh them almost hit that Jeep I don't know how many times we on those big orange carts out here. Oh, okay. >> So, uh you know, I mean something you don't see every day. Right. Right. It's just uh you know, sometimes different companies do different surveys and all kinds of stuff, so you never know what's going on. Nope. Just this Just a citizen. So, I'm not doing anything. I'm just staying on public property [music] and Oh, I Yeah. So, yeah. Well, that's what I Yeah, this gentleman over here was coming out here one of the the loaders. Oh. Uh so, yeah, and he was standing in the middle of the road yelling at me. I mean >> Oh, really? Yeah, I thought I thought he He He actually came almost all the way across the street. Oh, wow. Um I only get half the story. >> Right. Right. I mean he was I mean he was really yelling. Okay. I really thought he was going to I thought I was going to have to call you there for a second. I'm sure. Yeah. You never know. Yeah, well, you know, it is what it is. So, and then That's fine. Are you from Plymouth here? No. No. No. No. No, I'm just passing through. Ah, got you. So, just passing through doing doing what I'm supposed to and get my work done and then pushing on. So, I'm hoping to get home sometime tonight or tomorrow, I hope. Cool. So, uh All right, man. All right. Well, you have a wonderful day. You, too. All right. Thank you. Boy, scout handshake. Uh well, I guess left hand is You got the camera there. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty locked [music] up. I can't I can't let go of it. So, all right. Take care. Thank you, sir. After a handshake that seemed to signal reconciliation, everything quickly shifted into a completely different tone. Watchful eyes and questions about identity and authority began to surface. And from that moment on, the most intense legal debate of the video officially began. How you doing [music] today? ID on you? Call the suspicious people again. Would that be Would that be a misdemeanor or felony? What? Suspicion. Well, here's >> to 34285 Right. >> 3.5 I'm not. Now you're on private property though. No, this is a sidewalk. But you were over here earlier. No, I was not. Okay, that's what they said. The camera doesn't lie. Okay. Why are you over there? >> so so according to this >> Are you going to let me see your camera? No. Okay, so I [music] don't know if you're against theirs, right? >> Not unless you're going to arrest me for something. >> your ID on you? This code right here. Specifically Yes. It's It's It's Huh? What What >> It's 35285.3.5. Failure to ID. It only says I have to ID if I'm being charged with a crime. Do you suspect me of a crime? Yeah, trespassing. It's show I I >> [music] >> I need What's your reasonable articulable suspicion? What is your reasonable articulable suspicion? I'm asking you for ID. What is your reasonable articulable suspicion? Uh I'm not under any any requirement. What's that? That's my fifth amendment right. What's that got to do with I'm invoking it to remain silent. I'm not going to waive it. Oh, okay. I'm not going to speak to you without my lawyer at this point. >> you want to call him? I don't answer questions. See, now you don't want to talk to him. I'm going to read this, okay? You want to go What's your badge number, sir? What's your badge number, sir? >> 3903. You've been very professional. Thank you. >> I I know. I See, like I said, the complaint we had was was in video and cars What's your What's your name, sir? Weir. What's your badge number? 6671. Are you ILEA certified? Yeah. So, you would know about asking for ID then. You You're a public servant. You have to. You're under an obligation. You're a public servant. Public servant. You bring him down here. I'd love to. Okay. I'll go there next. I'm not going to go in the building, but if he wants to come outside, that'd be great. Words that seemed simple at first quickly opened the door to a deeper debate about the right to film and the authority of law enforcement. And just seconds later, the story shifted into a new level of tension where even the smallest detail could change the entire outcome. I mean, there's the It's also private property. Uh it It has It It uses government resources. [music] So, but but But if they said I'm over here, this is still public access. You You realize that. You No. No. You Look, handicaps Nobody's come out here and said that. And I have to be I have to be given I have to be given the right to leave. Nobody's come out here and asked me to leave. If you're going to say for trespassing, if you're going to say trespassing, I have to be given the right to leave. Nobody's asked me to leave. Like I did when I was talking to you earlier. Yes, sir. You know, it was a little unusual cuz we don't have someone you know, walking around video taping. So, it's just out of the ordinary why I was down there earlier. So, I haven't been in the talk with them there, but you know, it could be that they're a little bit afraid to come out. You never know these days what will happen. What do you mean what will happen? I have a I have a Nikon, not a Canon. I understand. I mean But I'm just saying, you know, what how they uh you know, people doing things now. You don't know if somebody's got a weapon on them if they're going to Oh, I'm I'm totally I'm totally unarmed. Okay. >> that. I mean, I have I have no weapons on me whatsoever. Cuz sometimes people do a lot of research. That's why I called the cops. >> Division of Family Resources. Not to mention the Wick building. This is This is all This is all This is all This is a government entity. If they rent space out of here and they have a public parking area, it's public. >> Well, it's public access. Yeah, public access, which means I have a right to be on it if I need to be on it. If I have a If I want to walk through here and walk around and do a horseshoe, that's fine. [music] That's my business to be on here to see if the if the Wick office is maintaining the property. If the taxpayer dollars is getting the trash out [music] of here, making sure it's not I mean, there's not enough parking. Everybody's parking on the streets. Everybody's parking where they're not supposed to be parking. So, if I wanted to walk through here and count all the parking spaces, nobody can tell me no. I have business on the property if I was even on the property, >> [music] >> which I was not. You stayed on the sidewalk. Other than when a guy was walking with his child, I entered the public easement area over on this side. Yes. I was never on I've never where you're standing. Right. I know, but you under Over on this side. Yes. I was never on I've never where you're standing. Right. I know, but you understand he he just asked you for ID just to know who you are, so we know you're not a convicted felon, criminal. Just when the conversation seemed to reach its limit, everything suddenly moved into a new phase. Questions about a possible unlawful detention began to surface, pulling the story into a highly controversial climax moments later. saying is we would be gone already. Just show an ID, you're legit, everything's cool. We're out of here. But I haven't broken a law. I understand, but that's what the call the call came in about being in it. But But where's the proof? >> that out. Don't I'm saying where's the proof? I understand that's what he was checking. Okay. Am I Am I being detained? So, I'm free to go. I mean, you got your card there. I've got I've got a dozen more. I just need that one cuz it has his [music] fingerprints on it. Or he can have it, whichever I determine. Yeah, it's your car, so But I'm not being detained. I'm not detaining you. Is he detaining me? He didn't say he was, so it's kind of And and the other guy, where's where's the red vehicle? The fire commissioner, you did you you just guys allow him to park all over the sidewalk whenever he kind of like this guy to block the sidewalk. I noticed down there at the fire station, him and another vehicle block >> one? Yeah, they they they block I mean, I'm handicapped. So they block they block the pedestrian throughway so that way citizens have to walk in the street. I've seen that. I know what you're talking about. >> not only that, but this guy did it, too, when he pulled up to go talk to him. Oh, you even got that on footage? This guy, the K9 unit. >> K9, okay. Yeah, pulled up, pulled in sideways, backed in. I don't know who started that down there. Gosh, that's been ever since I've been here. The fire chief would always pull I don't know why they like to park in that front. So so they're exempt from the law? Well, there there's that's the whole thing is there's not a it's a whole driveway out the sidewalk. Do you know what I'm saying? Right, right, it's tapered. Yeah, it's tapered. Yeah. >> Yeah, it's kind of But but it's but it's still pedestrian throughway. Because there because there's no garage door in the way. Not in front of the Not in front of the thing. Thank you, sir. Am I being detained? We're just waiting to see if they want you to no trespass you. >> being detained? You are till they tell us >> What crime do you suspect me of committing? >> What did I just tell you? >> I'd like your supervisor out here. Call supervisor because you're illegally detaining me. You cannot You cannot You cannot show me You cannot show me what I'm doing wrong. Are Are you illegally detaining me? We'll find you. I'm in a bright I'm a bright freaking vest. Of course you're going to find me. >> holding you? I'm asking if I'm being detained. Am I holding you? Am I being detained? >> Am I detaining you? Am I being detained? >> Am I detaining >> Or am I free to go? No handcuffs, no arrest, yet the debates over authority, legal boundaries, and law enforcement conduct remain unresolved. Citizens may file a section rights are violated, and officers who overstep the law could face financial liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. Up next, what seemed like a routine encounter outside the police station quickly turned tense as questions about identity and the right to film pushed both sides into confrontation. Where are you from? Earth. I mean, what do what do you what do you What are you asking, sir? What's your name? I'm asking the questions. >> I I'm asking the question. What's your name? I don't even know who you are. What's it say right here? You can get your camera and and it says Sergeant Wyman. Police Department. Sergeant Wyman, very nice to meet you, sir. Thank you. Thank you for identifying yourself. Okay. Now, can you tell me what you're doing out here on the street? I'm I'm not in the street, sir. >> sidewalk? On on public space. On a public space. Sir, you're on county property, right here. Public space. Okay, so I'm asking you really simple questions and I don't know why you're evading them. What are you doing out here? I'm going to sit here and not speak with you now. Okay. I'm not I'm not I'm under no obligation I'm going to kindly ask you to leave >> I kindly ask you to leave the property of the county of DeKalb. I have no idea where that is if this is not public space. This is It doesn't belong to the It's not public. Okay. Where would county and public property be then? I don't know. If you're going to enforce a law, I'd appreciate it if you knew the law. Where can I stand? You're not asking for You're not answering my questions, though. So I'm under no obligation to answer any of your questions. >> no obligation to tell me that. Then then we have nothing Then then then may I please Unless you have a special business right here. >> I do have official business. >> You do? Yes. What are you doing? I'm a journalist gathering content for a story. And see how simple that would have been? Just to tell me that right off the bat. But I I'm under no obligation to have to tell you What started as a few simple questions quickly turned into a tense legal debate over the right to film and the boundaries of the law. With neither side finding common ground, a more sensitive issue suddenly emerged, pushing the conversation into an even more intense phase. You don't believe in the No. Do you believe in the First Amendment? Anything I say can and will be used against me in a court [music] in a court of law. Hold on. But it will never be used for me. Okay. So I'm I'm not I'm not I don't need to talk. Okay. I don't need to describe anything of what I'm doing. If you're telling me that I am on county property Yes. I The assessor's office told me different. So before I did this, I checked. Okay. And I found out where the property lines were. Okay. Where are they? Here, public easement. It's 33 ft from center line. Okay. 33 ft from Center Street. So if you're going to tell me I'm I'm on private property, I would like you to instruct me and direct me and actually escort me to public property, sir. If you're asking me to leave private property, I would like to be escorted to public property. Take no further Okay, so go ahead and about your business, sir. I am on public property Go about your business, sir. I You have not yet answered my question. I'm trying to find out. You first told me I am in violation of an ordinance. Listen, do you think I just came out here because I have nothing else better to do? I think you came out here because you were told to come out here. Exactly. I have a job to do. Right. Do you pay taxes? Of course I do. Okay, so you're you're paying taxes so we do our job. And when we pulled out here because you're taking pictures of a building that I'm doing something that's constitutionally protected. >> I understand that. >> Okay, so it can't be a crime. What are you What are you trying to make a crime for? >> right? You can do whatever you want. Okay, so again, you pay taxes for me to I sit in the station and say I'm not going to respond to this suspicious male taking pictures of what they think is inside of the inside of the jail. >> Suspicious male. Yeah. Inside of the jail. There's There's There's tons of suspicious males inside the jail. What What are you referring to? of the jail. Okay. What What's wrong with that? They called and said they think it's suspicious. Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? What if it's terrorism and I have to investigate It's not terrorism. You You You can't sit here and call a constitutionally protected act As the debate over the purpose of filming continued to heat up, the atmosphere suddenly grew heavier when extreme assumptions began to surface. What started as a routine check gradually shifted into a tense confrontation over constitutional rights and security suspicions. something that's not a crime. And taking video in public is not a crime. >> It's not a crime. Correct. And you can't [music] make it a crime by saying it's something else. That is That That's Supreme Court law. Do you realize that we don't base uh probable cause just on one thing? It's a multiple uh multiple element Sir, that's why we pay you to do your job because I don't know how to do it. Yeah, you can explain it to me all day long, but I don't understand the particulars about the job that you do. But it doesn't do me any good. But you're a journalist and and I'm guessing that you're college educated. So me explaining this and you not understanding it completely blows my mind. Okay. Okay. So if if you're out here to take pictures of this for the assessor's office and that's all you're doing, perfect. But if you're out here and you're a terrorist cuz I don't know who you are and you're looking for the weakest spot on this building, when you take your pictures back to wherever it is you live and you decide you want to try to blow up something How How do I know that? How How do you know I'm not going to stick them in a book and put them somewhere? I mean I mean you're you're going with the most extreme thing that there is. And and and and that's okay. [music] Okay. But it But it's not what's what's happening. But how do I know that unless I investigate it? You can do all you want. >> Agree or disagree. I don't know. You You You're I I I would I would I would I would want you I would you want to investigate No, I was declined. Okay. >> [music] >> Okay. You have to be a reasonable person, okay? And and I'm a very reasonable person with a lot of common sense. Okay. So if I'm out here to investigate something, I don't know what I'm investigating till I ask questions. Okay. Okay. You could be doing a whole lot of things. This could be all legitimate. It sounds like it is. But how do I know that until I go investigate it? I don't I don't know. I don't know. You're Yeah, I don't know how you do your job. I don't know. I don't know what you're looking for. I don't know what you're fishing for. I have to ask questions, right? No. You can watch I have to ask questions if I want to figure out what's going on. No, you can And when you're being evasive about answering the questions, that throws up another red flag. >> Am I being evasive? I I I'm I'm I'm sure I'm sharing what my Fourth Amendment right to privacy. I don't need you to know who I am, know where I'm going, know where I've been, and know where I've Neither side seemed willing to back down. Questions about privacy rights and police authority became more direct, and soon the conversation moved into a new phase where every word carried decisive weight. How dare you? Uh I mean I mean I would I Yes, you did. You You said you could be doing terroristic activities. >> that video and play it. Nobody uses Nobody uses video anymore. We all do digital. Okay. I never called you a terrorist. Well, I can call and find out. It's being live-streamed, isn't it? Are you going to call I'll call the people that are watching. Okay. And it's all being live-streamed. I I appreciate that. Okay. Do I need to get a subpoena to get that? Of course. It's It's for you It's for your safety and my safety and your accountability. I I mean I mean I I I just I want to be held accountable. I do. Okay. I do want to be held accountable. But I'm not a terrorist. I never claimed that you were, sir. You You You were You were saying that I could be conducting terroristic activity. You could be. Right. And I'm telling you, how dare you say that to me. How dare you? Do you think that this camera is intimidating me right now? Are you Are you trying to intimidate me right now with the I am allowed to conduct and film [music] police in their job on public space. If you're on public space, it doesn't matter where the camera is as long as it's not affecting the way you do your job. Right. Who's the complaining party and of what crime were they complaining about? What crime Again, what crime were they complaining about? A suspicion is a crime? That's a new one. Let me know. So, you don't understand. >> I I don't understand because I'm [music] not committing a crime. I'm not doing out here doing anything illegal. I'm not doing anything nefarious out here. Okay. But But [music] But yet, you still want to talk to me like like I'm here to do something that that's not okay. I I mean, do you do you stop everybody walking down the street or do you just stop people with cameras? Again, I'm the one asking questions. And if you don't want to answer the questions, that throws up a red flag that you are not willing to cooperate with simple simple questions. Supreme Court is already is already said that that that that invoking and refusing to waive your Fifth Amendment right is not a crime. And it can't be counted [music] as suspicious. As the conversation gradually cooled down, no handcuffs were used and no charges were filed. Yet, questions about power, accountability, and legal boundaries remained [music] unresolved. What seemed like a small encounter left a lasting impact. Society is truly safe only when citizens' rights are protected and law enforcement authority is exercised with transparency, humanity, and ethical [music] responsibility. 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