Hey sir, what's your name and badge number? You're being very unprofessional, sir. Very >> What's the >> What's the Fourth Amendment? >> Sir, do you need identification? >> Ma'am, can you please tell me the Fourth Amendment? >> Just for refusing to show ID without legal cause, this man exposed a series of disturbing signs of police abuse of power right in front of the camera. >> Cuz you don't care, really. You're just trying to assert your authority. That's all you're trying to do. >> Whatever you think, sir. >> Those are your buddies and you're trying to assert your authority. It's It's my right to be free from seizures of my papers, persons, and effects. >> Hold on. >> That's what it is. I'm sorry. >> Okay, what is it? >> Google it. >> [snorts] >> What started as a polite conversation asking for permission suddenly turned into a highly controversial detention. And once police were questioned about the legal basis for their actions, everything began spiraling out of control. Just minutes after approaching the fence of a US Air Force base, this man drew the attention of security forces over what seemed like a completely harmless action. >> I don't know if you can see the helicopter. It's over there behind that fence. It's the control booth. Hey sir, how you doing? Yeah, I actually wanted Can I ask you a quick question? So, I know it says that uh video and cameras aren't permitted. Is that a law? And I just wanted to get a picture of the helicopter. Yeah. Just to make sure everything's going to go cool. That's it. I just wanted a picture of the helicopter. To get a picture of the helicopter. That's it. I don't want to give it. I'm just here for the picture of the helicopter. That's it. Yes, sir. No, no, I did not. No, no, sir, I'm not. Yes, sir. Yes. No, I didn't I didn't want to I didn't want to do it without without uh talking to you guys first. >> Even though he remained calm [music] and cooperative, the man was still reported as a suspicious subject. And when an officer arrived with a completely different attitude, [music] the situation took another turn. But it was the man's calm response that began revealing a truth that made everything [music] even more sensitive. >> Hold on, man. >> Hey, what's going on? >> Hey, how you doing? We're just near the air base over there. We were just curious what was going on. >> No, I went over there What's your name and badge number? >> We just want to know what >> Okay, okay, okay. No problem. Both of us. No, no, no, no. Um I was just over there uh saw the uh helicopter. And and I wanted to take a picture of the helicopter and I went up to the guard booth first to ask them if I could take a picture of it. They said they said no photos or videos allowed. I see the I see the signs, but I'm on public property. And this is No. But I understand that, but what what I'm saying is I'm on public property, right? So I was trying to be courteous by asking them cuz I don't want to get I saw the signs, no photos. But it's not a law, right? If I had gone past Yeah, I would never do that. Never do that. So I can grab a picture of that? Of the of the of the helicopter, yeah. Okay, so I'm going to go take a picture of the helicopter. I promise you No, I I promise you I'll take it from public Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Okay, cool. No, no, no, I don't want to go in there and that's why I went over there ask them before I did it. I didn't want them to think that I was doing something crazy. >> to do with uh like security clearance. Like you know, think about it this way. You had 9/11 terrorists, you know, going on the the Twin Towers. >> I get it 100%. >> That's that's why. >> But I just I'm just want to take a picture of the helicopter. I thought it was pretty cool. >> All right. Hey, let me do It is. It is actually pretty cool. Actually, matter of fact, they had like the people like coming down in the the parachute things >> Yeah. >> Like give me a second. We'll just call my supervisor down here. We'll get him to come down here. And then yeah, you're on public property. >> Okay. >> Which is why you can't have to take a picture of me. >> Yeah. >> While the previous officers had already acknowledged that the man wasn't breaking any laws, another officer suddenly arrived with a far more confrontational attitude. >> [music] >> And within seconds, raised voices and a shocking command pushed the situation to its breaking point. >> Hey, what's up? How you doing, sir? What's your name and badge number? What's your name and badge number, sir? >> And he came for what he's saying he's coming closer to >> I didn't take a picture of the chopper yet, but I'm going to. >> going to take pictures of something he's I can make a call. >> Hey, sir, what's your name and badge number? You're being very unprofessional, sir. Very unprofessional. >> Stop. Stay away from here. Stay over there. >> Is that a lawful Is that a >> walking towards us, stay over there. >> Is that a lawful order, sir? >> Yes, it's a lawful order until we complete our investigation. You are to listen to what we say. >> Am I What What What crime am I being suspected of committing, sir? Sir. >> preliminary investigation >> What crime am I being suspected of committing? >> I can't talk over you. I will answer your questions >> I'm asking you a question. Am I being detained? >> You're still talking over me. >> Am I being detained? >> Can you stop talking so >> I'm asking you a question, sir. Am I being detained? So, I guess that's a no. >> Yes, you're being detained. >> I'm being detained. This is an illegal detainment. I'm starting the clock. Illegal detainment. I'm starting the clock. Illegal detainment. >> Yeah, just hang out with me. You can You can take a picture of me all you want. >> Yeah. >> Hang out over here. They got to call they call the supervisor. You can take a picture >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, I'm being illegally detained right now at 1:19 p.m. By a guy who wouldn't identify himself. What was your name again? >> No evidence. No legal basis. Yet the rapid-fire questioning and repeated demands for ID kept coming. Was the law truly being enforced or simply being used as a tool [music] to impose authority? >> You're You're very You're very You're very unprofessional, sir. >> any identification on you? >> What is your name, sir? >> have any identification on you? >> I'm asking for your name. >> talk to you until you provide your identification to me. >> You told me I was detained. Am I detained? >> not have identification. >> He told me I wasn't detained. No, that's not true. Don't You're going to ruin your career for nothing. For nothing, really. For I took first Let me Listen. Let Let Listen. Just listen Just listen to me. Okay, I'm going to explain it to you. Ready? I'm doing a First Amendment These men right here, they swore They swore an oath to the Constitution. To the First Amendment. I'm doing a First Amendment protected activity, and you swore that same oath. Exactly. No, I do not. No, I do not. Fifth Amendment, sir. Don't you love it? No, it's not. You could do whatever you want to do, but I mean at the end of the day I don't consent any searches or seizures. I'm I'm doing a First Amendment protected activity, sir. I'm on public I'm on public property. No. I just know the law. Maybe you don't learn it. Maybe you don't learn it. You'll be making a very big What is What is the crime? What is I don't need a legitimate reason to be in public places. You need to learn the law. No, you're going to get fired. Do it. You're going to get fired, sir. It doesn't matter? Okay. No. Your obligation is to uphold the Constitution, sir. >> After a series of threats [music] and firm declarations about detaining the man, the officer suddenly turned to confer with his fellow officers. And just minutes later, everything abruptly shifted as if those earlier threats had never been made at all. >> I got a complaint. >> Add to the list, huh? >> I'm sure you I'm sure you've had a lot. >> I'm sure you've had a lot. >> supervisor responding. >> Oh, he's got he's in he's in route? Okay. Hey, hey, listen. Can I see your What's your name and badge number? >> Sure. My badge number is 499. >> 499 and your name and your name? >> My name is Deputy McCrave. >> Deputy McCrave. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. 499. Uh Deputy McCrave, uh let me ask you a question. >> Yeah. >> This officer this deputy said I was being detained. And then this deputy said I wasn't free to leave. So >> You'll be free to leave in a minute. >> All right, listen. So I was being detained, right? >> Actually, I was going to come out to talk to you to see if you were done with your stuff and just see >> What's your name? You don't even have a badge on, do you? >> I'm the captain. We come loose. 339 is my shield number. K O R T E is my last name. You are free to go, sir. If you want to wait for a supervisor, that's on you. >> Okay. Great. >> In the end, police were forced to let the man leave, but the situation was far from over. The cameraman decided to stay and wait for a supervisor to arrive because what had just happened no longer seemed like a routine stop at all. >> All right, thanks. Hey, how you doing, sir? Are you a supervisor? >> yes, sir. >> What's your name and badge number? >> Sergeant Tedesco, S104. How can I help you? >> I just wanted to talk to you because I was out here on the public easement >> Yes, sir. >> filming, um doing a First Amendment protected activity. >> Okay. >> And uh this officer came up to me and he was very cordial and you know, he understood my rights and everything was okay. The only thing I didn't like is that he backed up the other guy who was his name was Court. I don't know. He said he he spelled his name out to me. >> Okay. >> He came over here very aggressive. I tried to talk to him, get his badge number. He wouldn't give it to me at first. >> Okay. >> Told me I went He was talking to the other guy over there. I went to go walk closer to him. He said, "Step back from me." I asked him if it was a lawful order. He said it was a lawful order. He said, "You're being detained." I said, "For what crime are you detaining me for, sir?" He said, "You're being detained. You can't leave." So, I asked this officer if I can leave. He said that I'm not free to leave. >> Okay. >> That they both said He didn't say anything, but the These two guys, they said I'm free to leave. I mean, I'm not free to leave. >> Okay. >> And I would like to make a complaint. >> Okay. Well, at that moment right then and there, they were responding to a 911 call, all right? And so, they were in the middle of an investigation, okay? >> But in order In order to detain somebody, so you have to have reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is going to be committed. >> they were in the middle of an investigation. That's what they were trying to say to you right then and >> detain They can't detain free citizens in an investigation. >> They would They were While they're doing an investigation, absolutely. >> so, so, sergeant, you're saying You're saying while they're doing an investigation I just want to make this clear. While they're doing an investigation, they can detain a non-law-breaking citizen >> Well, they didn't know At that At that point, they didn't know if you were >> That's not how the law works, sergeant. Yeah, but that's not how the law works. I would like to file a complaint. >> Well, I'll take care of that. I'll speak to your deputy, and I'll I'll file I'll take care of that. I could also give you a a phone number you can call Internal Affairs. If you'd like to talk to Internal Affairs and take it through them, you're more than welcome to do that. >> Power becomes dangerous when it is exercised without limits or accountability. And when the law is applied the wrong way, what's lost is not only civil rights, but also society's trust in justice itself. Next, just for refusing to show ID without legal cause, this man exposed a series of disturbing signs of police abuse of power right in front of the camera. >> Why on earth would you want to stop a member of the public from getting public information? Why would you? Why would you even care? Why why would you? You better quit staring me down, lady. Keep giving me that look. Are you chewing gum or you just on something? >> Yeah. >> Chewing gum? >> No. >> Both, okay. What's your name? Captain F. Wilson. I got him before, but let me get your name. What's your name, man? Don't make me go back and look and and find it. What's your name? You were proud to tell me last time. I don't know, you just tell me again. It's on It's on a It's on a previous video, it is. So, why would you not want to tell me? I would be proud to say my name. Ask me. >> What is your name? >> Justin McHenry. >> You got an ID on you? >> No, why would I have an ID on me? >> Well, you don't. >> Why would I need one? >> Well, how do I know that's your name? >> You don't have to know. You don't have to know. I'm a I'm a private citizen. >> That's what you wrote on the last time when you came in, wasn't >> I wrote The Random Patriot cuz that's my media group. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to write my name to come in here. But, I'm not afraid to say it. You're afraid to say your names. That just That is very telling. If you were confident on what you were doing, you'd be proud to say your names. The cops are on their way. Let's see how long Little Rock city Is it going to be the city police or the sheriff's thing? Who'd you call? You You called Little Rock city police? >> The argument seemed like it was finally about to end once police arrived. The man tried to explain what had happened, but instead of hearing the full story, an unreasonable demand from the officers suddenly [music] shifted the entire atmosphere in a deeply confusing way. >> Don't be telling no lies now. It's all on camera. Everything you say that's a lie is going to come back at you cuz I'm going to get all these videos Another video camera right there. Hi. Hey, can I get your names and badge numbers, please? I'm I'm Justin. >> Hi, yeah, how you doing? I'm Officer Griffith, Little Rock Police. >> Nice to meet you, brother. >> All right. >> I'm Justin McKenry. Um I'm just trying to get some public information. I'm trying to make a FOIA request for some public records, and they won't let me in, and that's the gist of it. I don't know why they won't let me in. >> Did you guys call them? >> They've let in everybody else in. I just called the PD again cuz I didn't know if y'all were coming. I don't know if they even I didn't even know if they really called you if they were just lying to me about it, so I just called here. But I'm just trying to I'm trying to make a public records request and leave. That's it. I wasn't even filming whenever I walked in. I am now cuz they won't let me through. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Cool. >> My partner's going to talk to them and then >> I know. >> talk to them and then we'll get the get the >> You just want public records? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> He's been here before. >> I've been here once before, and I was >> Can I get your Have a seat. >> I'm talking to him. >> That's all right. >> I am talking to him. I wasn't even talking to you, lady, so chill. >> Come on, talk to the other >> I'll stay right I'll stay right here. It's cool. No, it's cool. >> Sure? >> Yeah. >> Let's Let's talk over here. >> I'll I'll be right here. >> You got your ID on you? >> No, sir. >> No ID? >> Nope, and I [clears throat] don't have to identify myself. I haven't done I haven't I haven't broken a law, so >> I'm just asking Can I get your first name? >> Justin. >> Last? >> Yeah. It's cool. >> What's your last name? >> Um I'm going to stop right there. I appreciate I don't I don't mind you asking anything you want to ask, but I don't have to answer. >> Okay, I'm just So you don't want to You don't want to answer any questions? >> I just don't have to, you >> I I know. I know. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm not trying to start nothing with anyone, you know. >> So you're just Justin? >> Yeah. Hold on, what is he saying? He's lying right now. So you see this camera and that camera? Those two cameras are two of the things that I'm trying to request because he's he's lying right now. So, he put his hands on me and now he's trying to say I put his hands on him, but I have no reason to do that. Yeah. So, why don't you listen to what I'm saying? Why do you just talk over me? I was literally trying to say something and you kept saying Justin, Justin, Justin. Just listen to me and then you then you talk. >> When officers failed to get his ID information, another female officer immediately stepped in with an aggressive attitude, seemingly determined to take control of the entire situation. But after just a few brief questions, her initial confidence suddenly began to falter, raising the question of whether those enforcing the law truly understand the rights they swore to protect. >> Do you have any identification on you? >> I don't need an ID. >> Well, you need an ID to sign in this >> What's the Fourth Amendment? >> Sir, do you need identification? >> Ma'am, can you please tell me the Fourth Amendment? This He knew the Fourth Amendment. He's a smart dude. Do you know the Fourth Amendment? >> All right. We're not here for this. >> Did you take an oath to the Constitution? Did you swear an oath? Did you swear an oath? >> Okay. >> I'll answer your question if you answer I'll tell you what. If you answer my question, I'll answer your question. No No, thank you. This is a public building. I don't have to. Do you know the Fourth Amendment? Do you know the Fourth Amendment? If you make me leave, that's going to be a violation and you're going to lose your job. I don't have to. I do not have to. Do you know the Fourth Amendment? She obviously doesn't cuz she'd be proud to say it if she did. I need public records. Yes. I need two different types of public records. No, I don't. >> The female officer's increasingly awkward and evasive responses pushed the tension inside the building lobby to its peak. And just as the situation seemed ready to spiral completely out of control, a sergeant suddenly arrived. >> Hey. >> Sir, I'm Sergeant Stangy, supervisor. >> Hey, I'm Justin. Nice to meet you, man. So, he did he just made up a bunch of stuff, so I came in I don't mind signing in, but they never asked me to do that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> They didn't want to let me through because they said I needed to make an appointment. Honestly, they just don't like me. And so, I >> Yeah, they do. >> They do? >> Cuz I was here before just trying to take pictures of the building and they didn't want me to. And eventually >> Taking pictures outside or inside? >> The inside. >> Okay. >> Uh just this little spot right here. >> Okay. >> And eventually a security came down and walked around with me, which was which was awesome. That's all I wanted to do is to get some pictures. >> Okay. >> But they had an attitude with me because of because of that the whole time. So, I come in again, they immediately recognize me. I said, "Hey, I'm not even filming today. I just it's it's in my pocket." I'm like, "Hey, I need to make a FOIA request." >> today? >> Well, I am now, but I wasn't when I walked in. >> Let's let's be honest. If you're going to be if you want to be >> Okay, you're not listening to what I'm saying. So, when I came in, I wasn't filming. >> know what you need us to do. What's the need of me to >> So, do you mind if I finish my story real quick? So, when he put his hands on me first, and that's one of the requests that I want to make is for those cameras because he's lying saying I touched him. >> You can you can do a FOIA request for those cameras. >> Right, exactly. That's all I want to do is that. And I want to and I want one more FOIA request, which would be a contract between the city or this building and their security. And that's it. Those are the two things I want and I could have been gone 30 minutes ago. >> I don't know who would handle that FOIA request. >> Really, anyone in this building I can say it to and then they can pass it on up. Really, I >> No, I think there's an entity that actually would take that FOIA request. >> be, but by law by law I can make it to anyone and they can pass it up. >> Okay. Who do you want to make the FOIA request to? >> Um well, I initially asked to go see public records and they wouldn't let me. So, then I I'm not sure what this office is down here, I forget. I just remember that there was one down here last time. And uh I can make it to them. I already know I can. And I would it'll take me eight seconds. >> we get him to make this FOIA request? >> Yeah, that's all I want. >> I'll be back in a minute. request shotgun has to come from the city manager's office. >> Okay. >> As the conversation continued, all eyes turned to the sergeant in hopes that he would finally bring the situation back under control. But after only a brief exchange, the sergeant's attitude suddenly shifted and a command was issued that left many people wondering, was the law truly being enforced or simply being used as a tool to impose authority? >> All right, we got his information? >> He don't want to give his information. He just >> says his name is Justin. >> We'll need to see your information. >> What's the Fourth Amendment, sir? >> Pardon me? >> What's the Fourth Amendment? >> me. >> You don't know it? >> Of course I know it. >> So then tell me. I I asked you. He knew when I asked him. She doesn't. Do you, sir? The sergeant? She doesn't know it. >> I don't know who you're doing >> The Fourth Amendment is my right to um It's a It's It's my right to be free from seizures of my papers, persons, and effects. >> Hold on. >> That's what it is. I'm sorry. >> Okay, what is it? >> Google it. >> What is it? >> Google it and tell me what the word you're missing is. >> What is it? I'm filming right now. I can't. I am filming. >> filming in Google. >> No, you go You Google it. I am right. I don't >> yourself, I'm going to arrest you for obstructing governmental operations. >> So, you're going to arrest me for not IDing? >> Yes. >> I am right. I don't >> yourself, I'm going to arrest you for obstructing governmental operations. >> So, you're going to arrest me for not IDing? >> Yes. >> Which is a secondary offense. I have to already be arrested. >> I am making contact with you and >> That's not how it works. That's not how it works. >> I am IDing >> That's not how it I don't Okay, you need RAS. You need reasonable articulable suspicion that I've committed a crime in order for me to ID myself. >> prevented me from conducting >> That's not how it works. You can't arrest me for resist You can't arrest me for >> me for resisting? Are you sure? >> No. Listen, you can't arrest me for refu- refusing to ID. We think your name is Justin. You can't arrest me for refusing to ID. >> Just Now under threat of arrest I will. Oh, now you No, that's not how it works. Can I get your supervisor down here? Yeah, you do. I need your supervisor down here because you don't know how things work. Someone that knows what's going on. Usually usually sergeants don't usually lieutenants do. So if you have a lieutenant around Yeah, so if you think you can arrest someone for failure to ID, that's a big no-no and I need your lieutenant down here, please. That's a big no-no. After a series of baseless threats, the sergeant was forced to step away and reassess the limits of his own authority. But when he returned, he almost completely avoided addressing what had just happened, repeatedly steering the conversation elsewhere. Before trying to shut the entire situation down as quickly as possible. Oh, okay. What's up, man? Yeah, lieutenant coming down or Sure. Yes, sounds good. I just try to treat people like I do my buddies. I'm not you know what I mean? Well, I'm just trying to be polite. That's how I'm polite and if you want me to call you sir, I will. It's all you got to do is ask. It's all you got to do is ask. All right. Are you still threatening to arrest me? Are you still threatening to arrest me? It's on camera. It's on camera. It's on camera. Are you going to arrest me if I don't? Yes, please leave. You're dismissed. Thank you. Walk of shame. No arrest, no explanation, only lingering questions about power and accountability. A reminder that justice can only truly exist when the law is enforced [music] with understanding, respect, and humanity, not through intimidation or coercion. Citizens can sue police [music] under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. The law only has meaning when it is enforced with fairness and understanding because when is placed above justice, the first thing lost is the public's trust. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]