wanted to make sure everything was okay with you ask you what you were doing here what do you mean what ask me what I'm doing here what's that what's the what kind of what's other choices just multiple choice no it's just one choice just curious what you're doing parked here yeah what are the choice exp foran is in that an excuse as to why you'd be parked on private property this is private property indeed sir it is who's uh who's who owns it Lowe's theany yeah I didn't really see any um sign that said it's private uh it is a parking lot for a an privy parking lot yes indeed do you have your ID with you sir can I see yours no you cannot but you uh will need to give me yours this driver parked his beat up car in a Lowe's parking lot in Carbondale Illinois at 1:00 a.m. knowing it might draw attention but he wasn't breaking any laws according to Illinois Law a person may not be stopped or detained solely on the basis of a suspicion that the person is present in a public place during hours of Darkness officer Brandon burus approached flashlight blazing demanding the driver's ID and questioning why he was there the driver flipped the script asking for bur's ID first pointing out his name tag wasn't enough bus's arrogance Shone through as he insisted on compliance but the driver stood firm knowing he didn't have to hand over anything without a lawful reason see yours because uh I'm a police officer in a uniform so it's clear to you who I am and what I am it has my name right here on my vest okay what's you name oh you're kind of shining a light on me yeah I know there's some light put some light on carbon 310 did you get a return on the 28 so I need your uh ID or your driver's license please CH my ID okay where's your ID try run excuse me where's your ID it's right here B burus burus yep that's my name tag from the carbon Police Department you're in Carbondale Illinois yeah yeah carale burus okay so um I think I've seen burus name before okay like b u r r i s that is correct all right yeah I don't know why I don't know why you don't want to hand me your ID no no it's okay well you're still not doing though you just keep saying let's exchange and I've provided you my information so now I needs you to do the same for me what's your partner's name okay well I tell you what I'm not going to answer any more of your questions if you're not going to cooperate with me so why don't you uh show me some respect and I'll show you the same if you can hand me your ID what's your partner's name show me some respect uh just find out who everybody is uhhuh okay I'd be happy to do that if you're willing to cooperate with me yeah why don't you show some good faith to me and hand me your ID like I ask do you recall what I told you I don't been speaking a lot of gibberish year since I got out with you I think you might be drinking some energy drink or something you are rushing uh this this conversation I'm not I've got all night I'm just trying to make sure I know who I'm talking to that's always what helps me so yeah yeah you're buris yeah I'm the only in my car okay but let's what's what's the partner's name I thought it's somebody else here sir are you going to get your ID well what's what's everybody's names okay why don't you step out for me yeah yeah yeah I'll do that apprciate it thank you I got a couple of blankets on here I see that yeah it's cold tonight I mean it's not easy to see the blankets when it keep flashing that light in my eye mhm gu this well you got enough cameras huh yeah so you got a YouTube channel is that right yeah it's uh record my drives cool where are you coming from oh just driving yeah you can see I got cck to I see that what time is it it is a little after 1: in the morning okay we got buris so far okay get my shoes up here I'm going to toss the shoe down here got another shoe up here clipons yeah there see my feet are kind of large so this actually I cut them for Comfort here they're not on that one to who Travis Travis we got burus oh I want to this a baggie what you got in there my car my car key all right you locked your light your light out over there something fell yeah your light that you stuck on the side of your part it fall all the way okay not quite the matter this thing you can turn on can't you yeah look cold well tends to I see that mess with my cameras yeah so what's your name yeah yeah I got Bruce my last name oh yeah yeah and uh KN has in night time man what are we do with these cameras I don't know you might want to check on your batteries maybe or something and then uh we got the daily RoR of YouTube yeah you guys like to point out that I should be able to see your name tags but I I can't especially you got your light Shin in my face like that that it's not in your face it's on your chest right there no no it's there's hey what's your what's your name it may not be directly what's your name I'm trying to see his name what's your name sir can you you want to tell me or this is off there you go now you know all of us how about you tell me your name asked d o v e okay yeah yeah my last name is Hines Hines what's your first name oh all right all right buris what's your first name Brandon Brandon burus okay rert and Jerry what's your first name L I want to get the first names and last names correct L and then yeah Jerry n what's your first name yeah yes Travis Travis so now we got the where are you from Travis I'm just a traveler you're just a traveler what brought you to Carbondale who brought me to carbon I said what brought you to carbon you got quite a tactic with your light I don't understand why it has to be in my face it's not it's right here on your chest you see who I'm what I look like but you still have to continue to see what I look like you can't show me any respect I this disrespectful okay you're talking about respect and uh it's not in your face Travis it's right here on your chest this car is all beat up too wow like it got like a rolled or something or how long how long have you been in town H just a couple days I don't know I'm new I'm new to the area I don't know the are well I mean I'll admit just traveling through just for your YouTube channel or yeah I'm not sticking around you know people here in Carbondale or why did you choose this area to why did they come I don't know why did you why did you why do you live here what do you like I live here cuz I grew up here and I work here yeah are you stuck here I mean you just choose to be here the place you decided to stick around where are you from to everybody you guys how long you been working at Carbell where are you from Travis you let's how long have you been your your registration is out of Wisconsin is that where you're from how long have you been working here quite a while quite a while okay cuz I mean that's that's a pretty easy question answer I mean how how long have you been working on the forest quite a while quite a while that's that's pretty uh um generic pretty are you all right well I just I think that your answers are are pretty pretty lame I mean they don't really give much information about yourself that's that's correct for for good reason I don't give personal information called oh okay all right you kind of played in the fifth kind of not no as a police officer I don't have to play the fifth I'm here because I was conducting a business check on this estment so your car parked illegally in the parking lot and I came to investigate as to what you're doing here because it could either potentially be a suspect in a burglary or a theft I don't know it's my job to be inquisitive about that at 1:00 in the morning you could ask questions yeah 1:00 is the perfect time to be asking I'm going to get some water here oh you can't really see very well there a little water bottle got a little dry mouth yeah well are you nervous how many how many parking spaces are I make you nervous Travis you're calling this a parking lot that's interesting it's yeah it's a thorough fair for the parking lot to Lowe's here this is where delivery trucks and things like that would park not Vehicles just out oh hanging out you think I'm illegally parked that's correct am I too close to a parking or too close to a a fire hydrant as burus grew flustered the driver kept probing calmly asking his partner's name and why they were so tense under the First Amendment the right of the people to be secure in their persons houses papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated which includes the driver's right to refuse ID unless they had probable cause he wasn't trespassing L's Lots aren't fenced off with no trespassing signs and he wasn't a suspect burs tried to flex saying it's private property but the driver schooled him parking lots opened to to the public don't automatically make him a criminal bis's Bluster faded as the driver stayed cool and informed Travis hey you're call I I know that you're I know that you're doing this for your YouTube channel and that's fine that's cool I don't care you're doing I'm sure you guys are refering I think if you're going to go this route though you probably want to make sure that you're asking legitimate questions yeah I'm asking what how many SP now that we have establish that you're not here doing anything other than just trying to make it on YouTube uh I think we can go ahead end this interaction because it's obvious that yeah I I mean you're not really a concern for me I'm curious about carbon I'm not a concern to you you say no sir yeah I'm curious about uh Carbondale is it look colle seems like you guys are a little tense like maybe you get some problems around here it has its issues yeah yeah I I I I kind of noticing a little little issues here and there as as I've looked around well just I mean I I see that there is a little homeless activity I we do have a homeless population I got a couple of these hats from that park over there so I know that uh this this Farmland is private property it is we're on a public how do you know that cuz I researched a little bit okay man you are very offensive with your light it's on your chest every time I try to make it's on your chest bro it's right there bud well every time I try to make eye contact I'm getting blinded so I'm going off my senses sure but um so just I promise I know this is private property no no no it's I go by my senses I don't I understand it's okay eye is I'm just curious bro how do you purchase all these cool cameras well you guys you guys have bought them for me really with your aggressive uh uh Behavior it kind of OHS watch that mean to you and then you like sue them and [ __ ] yeah I've been arrested just over my ID we're not so why wouldn't you want to just I mean I don't get it like when you got arrested what happened with that they're over ID yeah you don't understand the ID thing that no I don't I mean okay it depends on what state illino has it's it's simple I think it's simple I mean when I ask you for your ID in exchange you say no I don't have to give you my ID correct and I'm like what's protecting you from not having to give me your ID because that's why we wear a uniform with our name on it okay well there's there's a little step back you could take maybe police policy your your your department policy but where do they get that from where do they derive that uh right from all right there's right to what the right to not have to surrender your documents all right because this is my document this identifies me as a as a public servant for the city of Carbondale which is where you are yep okay there's a difference between requesting uh ID from from an officer and them having the right to not show you that and us having the right to tell you to show us your ID and you having to do that by lawful order okay what okay the but what what what uh what protects us from having to surrender our documents and papers no there's there's the we have I have constitutional rights you have your motivations you you're representing the city and you want to it's not even that it's like we have a job to do and we're just trying to do a good job at it you know yeah you want to make the complainer happy there's no complainer with this uh you're you're you're like anticipating a possible complaints by being proactive possibly they could have complained a farmer I know it's private property they could have complained about something yeah um I see they got a hunting Shack across the other side of the field oh really um yeah I mean but I'm sure that's on their property cuz this is this Green Field that's supposed to be organ an organization that allows us to walk I took the trail I walk big circle on in the forest on that trail and really I checked that out is there like a homeless encampments no I didn't notice any camps there's all throughout there is a little trash and I found these hats at the with the trash I I sometimes dig through homeless stuffz I've seen a lot of it I've seen old camps just abandoned camps shelters you're pretty interesting dude well I've traveled quite a bit and since when like how long for how long over 10 years it'll be 11 in January so you mind if I ask how old you are oh I'm I'm older let's yeah let's 33 33 okay I'm 48 oh okay so so what did you do before traveling if you don't mind me it's been a bum I'm a bum now and bum before just not really got a fix on any kind of career path I mean so I just I mean if you enjoy what you're doing that's fine yeah and you guys you guys kind of pay for my travels you're the bigger jumps in my view well you ain't going to get it from us cuz we're not going to be back cops that's that's fine you that's not hopefully that doesn't disappoint you the statistics have kind of turned out to be like one every 25 interactions or so one over 30 some guys just bulldozing like your buddy kind of bulldozing in like they had too many energy drinks they didn't have time honestly what I think you know he's been here for a long time he's our sergeant and he he's seen a lot of things you know what I mean and he he knows to take to always be in control of the situation and stuff like that and oh yeah y hopefully you can understand and where he's coming from it's hard to but oh yeah if you just got in a fire Fe that's why they let you guys if you have a real serious interaction they give you a few days off to cool come down sometimes not even is that busy here well it can be I mean this place it's I I see a lot of people walking uh there's a lot of homeless walking around just just regular people too just well that's a university here yeah yeah that's the cops doubled down with bur suggesting the driver was drunk or nervous classic deflection from their Shaky Ground Illinois law states no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself meaning the driver didn't have to answer their fishing questions about his travels or YouTube gig he hit back asking how long they'd worked there and why they chose Carbondale simple stuff they dodged with vague quite a while answers their frustration mounted as the driver rambled about his CrossCountry Adventures proving he wasn't intimidated by their badges or blinding lights last night it would have been nice to title my video cops harass me on Christmas but uh you know it's we're not trying to harass that's a timing issue I mean so do you have like buddies that travel with you or by your solo no I'm solo yeah I just I keep to myself I talk on the internet a lot right cuz uh people will type in the chat uh when I post a video people will comment yeah on a live stream or just comments afterward and do you watch like other people's podcast or anything oh oh are you familiar with the First Amendment Auditors you ever hear of that I think so cuz there's a little movement a small movements with well they challenge the police on YouTube yeah they'll they'll go in and just with the camera in a building or something uh just start recording arounds and then they some get challenged those are the ones that get the most views is the challenge oh really over the camera when the focus is pretty much you can't record there you know put your camera down type of thing then uh but you people don't like people get I don't even understand why people still throw fits about that because it's we all know now like it's legal you can record all you want yeah there's there's uh privacy issues um you can record us the cops yeah see that cops are seem to warm up to the cameras okay Travis I was able to get your information in check yes so everything's coming back okay I know everything's okay okay well I could have just done that we' have been gone we' been done in 2 minutes and been out of here but told you try stay warm tonight okay I was will all right let us know if you see anything suspicious around here all right have a good night yeah I'll definitely do that if there's anything that it looks out of the ordinary all right it was cool talking to you man be safe okay yeah by the end burus checked the Driver's Info anyway probably via his plates and let him go proving this was all a Power Trip not a legit investigation the law backs him up a peace officer may stop any person in a public place for a reasonable period of time when the officer reasonably infers from the circumstances that the person is committing is about to commit or has committed an offense but they had no reasonable inference here just curiosity about a guy with cameras the driver walked away unscathed blankets still on his lap chatting about a homeless hats and oil pumps while they stood there outsmarted like And subscribe for more police cam stories watch the next recommended video click to watch now