You suspect me of a crime, sir? >> Talk to me. >> You guys are live on the internet right now. Make it good. You guys suspect me of a crime? Do you have You suspect me of a crime? Yes or no? >> A lawful act treated like a crime. When power crosses the line, everything can turn upside down at any moment. >> Do you have proof of that? >> Terrorist risk in the country at the moment. We've got massive concerns with the security that you're breaching by being in this area. >> No, there's no risk with the >> threat risk in the country at the moment. >> What what what what >> What risk? >> Threat risk in the country at the moment. >> Of what? >> Terrorism. >> Police officers who abuse their power today may face a heavy price. Disciplinary records, internal investigations, and even the courtroom. An independent journalist films outside a data facility standing on a public sidewalk and recording infrastructure and security systems, yet just minutes later an entire police presence suddenly shows up. >> I don't think this is a very labor-intensive uh deal. So, I don't think there's many employees inside here. You can Google it, but this thing it goes all the way around out here and I'll walk around the perimeter. There's cameras looking everywhere. I have no idea of what the response is going to be from these guys. It's either going to be very little or I'm going to the ground. This is my guess. Click, like, and subscribe, gents. So, I don't know if you can see it there in the background, but it's a pretty vast building. There's a car in the background there behind the gate. >> There's what looks to be a license plate reader. Uh direct contact. Black SUV. Ford SUV. He's got the door open. Here he comes. >> Everything seemed normal at first, but the deeper he went, the more unusual signs began to emerge, and within minutes, the atmosphere shifted completely as multiple individuals showed up with a far from friendly attitude. >> Three cars. It's good on. >> Hey, you need to stop. >> Sir. Stop. >> Do you suspect me of a crime, sir? >> I'm talking to you. >> You guys are live on the internet right now. Make it good. >> That's excellent. Okay. >> Make it good. >> What's your name, sir? >> I'm not going to tell you my name. What not? What's your name? >> My name's Officer Dombrowski. >> Dombrowski, can I see? >> Badge 0161. >> Great. >> have a name tag. >> How about you, sir? >> Letavish. >> How do you Can you spell that for me, please? >> Letavish, 1149. >> Can you spell that for me, please? >> Sure. L E T A V I S H. >> Okay, how about you, sir? >> Bonocore. B O N O C O R E. Why are you shaking? Are you okay? >> Are you Are you okay? >> I'm okay. You're the one >> Okay, cool. Who's the most senior officer here? I'm going to talk to one guy. What does it look like I'm doing here? Okay, is that a crime? I'm taking pictures. Of the facility here. Yes. Doing a story on it. You want to be the next story? I like that. I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. It's for publication. I'm not going to I don't need to tell you anything. You guys suspect me of a crime? Do you have You suspect me of a crime? Yes or no? Yes or no? No, they No, they don't. Supreme Court has already ruled that you are not the arbiter of who's a journalist and who's not a journalist. So, you want to double down on that? Uh I'll find out for you real quick and you're going to find out real quick, too. Are you good with animals? I don't know, you might be working as a dog catcher after you after you make an ass out of yourself publicly here. >> The exchange begins to heat up with questions being asked repeatedly while the answers grow increasingly vague. It seems like things might settle there, but the arrival of another individual shifts the situation in a completely different direction. And this time, it's not just words, the way it's handled is what truly makes everything stand out. >> Am I being detained right now? Yes or no? That is a yes or a no question. Yes or a no, am I being detained? And No. Is Am I being detained right now? Yes or no? Yes or no? No, no, I'm I'm leaving then. If you got no suspicion of a crime, No. You guys are going to be the next YouTube stars. >> I can't wait. You're the one shaking though. >> Great. >> We're the ones that have been common professional. >> I Am I >> We're the ones that have been common professional you. >> No, you're not being professional to me. I asked you, am I being detained or am I free to leave right now? >> What How are we not being professional to you? >> You're not answering a yes or no question. >> I'm not going to answer your question. >> Yes. You are such an idiot. You are such an idiot. Is this a supervisor? Michael 14 FRB just so everybody knows that the next uh undercover car, Mahwah police. Michael 14 Foxtrot Romeo Bravo. How about you? Am I being detained or am I free to leave? >> Trying to figure out who you are right >> No, no, no, no. They Boy, you guys are really stupid. You guys are like the stupidest cops I've ever met and I've met a lot of cops. You guys can't answer a yes or no question. >> Well, we can't identify you so you're given the security of the facility. How you doing? >> I was doing okay until about 6 minutes ago. >> Okay. Um >> Am I being detained or am I free to leave? >> Oh no, you're free to leave. We're just um >> No, yeah, then yeah, I don't yeah, I don't really care. I don't care. Tell your story walking. What's your name What's your name and your badge number? >> Um My name is James Duke. I'm the security supervisor here on the site. >> Okay, now then you're not PD so you can piss off. >> No, no, no and I'm just asking, you know, for a little help. If you're curious about something I I'm more than willing to help you out about >> this I'm filming this story here. Yeah, there's three [ __ ] goons with with guns here that won't answer a simple yes or no question. >> This is a highly secure area. >> Okay, if it's that secure, why are you worried about my getting gaining entrance to the to the property? >> It's that secure. >> It's that secure that you guys are scared I'm going to get in past your electric fence? >> That's true. >> You Okay. >> That's why we need to know who you are. If you in journalism we're more than happy. We have a great PR department that would be more than willing to help you out with any stories that you want. >> After a moment that seemed to bring clear answers, the situation suddenly shifts again as suspicion refuses to fade and tensions begin to escalate. From this point on, it's no longer just a conversation, it turns into a tense standoff where every next move could push things even further. >> But you're not very smart, are you? >> Why is that? >> Yeah, I see exactly. Thanks for Hey, here's the story. You were cool with me. I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. You've got a secure facility. >> And like I like I told you, look, we have our PR department who can talk to anybody. I mean, if you have a department like that, we'll be more than happy to reach out for you. I mean, you going inside getting your name >> You guys are in bed with Mahwah PD that you you're okay with how they acted towards me? >> I didn't see how they acted towards you. >> I asked them if I was detained or if I was free to leave. Nobody would give me an answer. You were the only one professional enough to actually say no, I wasn't being detained and I was free to leave. >> Cuz you're on public property, that's why. At this point. The minute you start >> Are you a mind reader? >> Huh? >> Are you a mind reader? >> Why am I a mind reader? >> Well, I mean, you're you're making it sound like I'm going to step on private property. >> know that, do we? >> Well, well, it sounds like you're able to >> okay? Um we're just concerned anytime we see anything that may appear suspicious to us. >> Well, listen, you can come out and investigate. I have no I have no issue with that, but when they don't follow the law, law enforcement doesn't know the law, you were actually No, listen, you were actually Listen, you were actually cool enough with me that you actually knew the law and you're not actually even work for Mahwah PD. I'm sure you're probably retired PD somewhere, but you actually were professional enough to know and understand the law. And I I respect that. And what I'm doing here is I'm on a public sidewalk and I'm filming anything I can see from public and that is not a crime. If it's suspicious, you can come and make contact with me like a human being and uh follow the law. Right. >> I got to come from a place to find out what's going on. >> Right. >> They have to come here because we don't know who's going to be >> Okay, well they can they can honor their oath and follow the law. This is They're but they're [ __ ] bunch of gang members, man. They're a bunch of gang members. They don't follow They don't They don't follow the law. I can tell that you are ex-law enforcement and these guys Simple question, am I being detained or am I free to leave? They couldn't answer They wouldn't answer it. That's suspicious. In this day and age of how many cops kill [ __ ] innocent civilians, that makes me really suspicious. >> It's no longer a simple exchange as tensions reach a boiling point with every word carrying clear confrontation. But what matters most isn't what has already happened, it's what could happen next because sometimes the real consequences only begin while the camera is still rolling. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights could face financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. Up next, a man stands silently outside a police station saying nothing, causing no disturbance yet within seconds he draws attention. >> Sneaky little sneaky lookers. Sneaky sneaky sneakers. Come on, sneaky. Show us your chops. You okay? You okay? Are you okay? You're not going to speak to me. Hey, in the absence of a conversation what I'm not what what I'm not comfortable with is you filming my staff coming and going from the police station because I believe it's to be a security risk. So, I'm happy to have a conversation with you, but clearly you're not going to have a conversation with me. I'm ask asking you to stop. If I feel there's a threat to any of my staff here, then we will be taking action. Do you understand? Okay, thank you very much. >> Ta-da. >> Do you want to have a conversation? Thought not. >> Ta-da. >> Will you move away from the police station? >> Ta-da. >> You want to >> Just standing there filming outside a police station quiet, drawing no attention, but after only a brief exchange, the atmosphere turns tense as concerns begin to surface. From that point on, it's no longer just about filming. It shifts into something far more serious. >> Ta-da. >> Just looking to find your reason for being here at the moment. Cuz you're recording persons coming and going in their own personal vehicles as well. >> You got proof of that? >> With the terrorist risk in the country at the moment, we've got massive concerns of the security that you're breaching by being this here. And putting our officers at risk in their own personal vehicles. So, is there any reason for you being here? >> Photography. >> Photography, based on what? >> In the public and my right to >> But you're recording officers in their own personal vehicles. >> Show me proof of that cuz I haven't. >> They will be. We've seen you recording officers leaving here. >> Is that Is that Is that against the law? >> If you recording officers in their own personal >> Is it illegal? >> It's potential terrorist offense if you record >> Terrorist? >> Terroristic offenses of officers leaving in their own personal vehicles, you could be putting them at risk. >> A terrorist? >> I just want to find out what your intentions are. >> To take >> Cuz I'm happy I'm happy to talk to you. >> What reasons have I for sir? I like photography. >> Yeah, and that's fine, but what what is the Can you give us a valid reason as to why you are filming? >> Cuz I'm in public, I have a right to. It's totally legal, and I like to do it. So. >> What, just film outside of police stations or just >> I film everywhere. >> Okay. >> Hospitals, churches. >> Why? >> Dogs' homes. >> Why? >> Well, it's not It's not of the norm, is it? So, people like it. >> Okay. But obviously, you you filmed what I need to film outside of the station here now. Yeah? So. >> How How do you know whether I've done I'm finished or not? >> Well, what's your other reason for filming? >> More of the same. >> More of the same? So, with all the risk of the threat risk in the country at the moment, >> I'm sorry, what what what risk? >> The threat risk in the country at the moment. >> Of what? >> Of terrorism. >> Oh, you don't mean our virus thing. >> No. >> No. Oh, okay. Is that gone? >> Nothing to do with me. >> You've been told to D&U because of the virus and stuff. >> Well, we we're in a car every day with each other, but we're maintaining social distancing. >> Not to me, no. >> Well, I'm quite happy with the distance between yourselves. I just want to want to know what your purpose of being here is. Is it political? >> Political? No, I don't I don't do politics. >> Well, you're trying to engage us in a conversation about the virus. >> You've come out and tried to engage with me. >> I haven't said anything. It's just your recording officers. I've got concerns for the officers here. That's the whole purpose of me being here. >> I got concerns for all human beings. >> Right. Okay. So, why are you putting officers at risk by recording them? >> I'm not putting them at risk. In what way am I >> Well, if you're recording them in their potential vehicles that they're going out in, identifying officers with a risk in the world at the moment, you >> The arguments begin to intensify as a seemingly simple act is suddenly tied to far greater risks. What was once a normal exchange turns into a struggle between personal rights and suspicion, and just seconds later, things are pushed even further. >> P- Temporary Police Sergeant Jordan Davis. >> Thank you, pal. >> Well, I've got What's your identity? >> That's private. >> Right. >> So, have you come here just to engage us in some >> No, I've come here to take photos. >> Here we are. So, you've got the photos now. Are you happy to leave? You've just said you've got you're happy you got concerns about everyone in this world. We've We've had a nice civil conversation with you. Would you please leave? Just to prevent any further risks to our colleagues. >> Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't consciously try to put anyone at risk ever. >> But now that I've informed you that you might be would you potentially take that on board and leave, please, sir? >> I don't see how I might be. If you could uh explain what what you're saying. >> We've got personal vehicles >> know I can't identify anyone. >> You're recording people. You've recorded officers leaving. We've witnessed you doing that from the window upstairs. >> And is that against the law? Is that illegal? >> it could be putting persons at risk of potential offenses and >> I mean, I I could go down to the shop, fall over, break my legs, and you know, it's it's not the case or not. >> It's got nothing to do with you here now. >> If it was a donkey >> enforcing the law, keeping the public safe, but unfortunately having you to talk to you here because you're recording people. You are recording >> enforcing the law now? >> Not at the moment. We're just trying to get you and keep my colleagues safe. I'm trying not to be hostile with you. I'm nice and calm. If you've got anything you can educate us on, feel free to do so. >> I I'm not a teacher, pal. >> Good. What are you just here for? For what? You've You've said you could >> Exercising my rights to film. >> Here we are. So, you're just going to stay here now and engage with officers in the same type of tone you have for this. >> Well, what do you mean the same type of tone? >> Well, we've came out. We've expressed our concerns to you and you've expressed them to us. We're being polite, but you're trying to push us into a political conversation we don't want to have. >> I don't do politics. I'm sorry. >> We've asked you about coronavirus. >> Yes, because you were telling me there's a threat and the last thing I heard it was like you said a What did you say? >> The terrorism threat. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I forgot all about all that. I was I was on about the mask thing and >> Mask. >> Masks. >> Masks. >> You know, the fact you're really close to me and perhaps that's gone now, so >> As specific powers start being invoked, an invisible pressure builds on the man filming. It seems like the situation has reached its limit, but in reality, it's only a turning point because what follows escalates in a way few would expect. >> Well, you Do you want me to talk to him? >> Well, particularly not with our colleagues. We're just trying to be pleasant today. We need to move on because there's a risk to our colleagues here. >> Do I not have a right to stand here? >> You've got a right to stand here, but you haven't got the right to record officers in their personal vehicles cuz you're putting them at risk, and we could potentially stop searching you under terrorism. >> Okay. >> I don't want to get to go that far. We've been quite civil with each other. I'm hoping that you'll just move on. >> grounds to believe that I'm a terrorist? >> I don't know what you are. You refuse to engage with us. You're guarding >> My mum with the camera. >> I don't but I don't think it's usual behavior to be outside a police station just recording. >> But you have no evidence to back up that claim. >> I've just told you I've got concerns for the everyone who works here. >> Yeah, but that doesn't doesn't give you the right to talk about terrorism and >> If I've got reason to suspect, I could search you. >> What reasons do you have to suspect me? >> you're taking hostile recordings on our colleagues and trying to identify >> I told you I'm I'm a peaceful man. I have I mean no harm to anyone. >> But now we've asked you nicely to move on. Can you not do so? >> I will do once I've finished. >> And when do you believe you'll be finished? >> Well, as soon as you like, you know, I've I've explained the situation, and hopefully you you can take that on board and realize I'm not a threat. >> Well, we don't know that. We don't know you're a terrorist. You haven't given us any reason. >> Well, I'm telling you I'm not. >> You can tell me a lot of things, but it doesn't make I'm I'm I'm being very tidy with you. I'm being very calm. You won't be unpleasant, but you're just trying to engage us in a conversation we don't want to have. We just want you to >> Move on for a >> I didn't want to talk to anybody, to be honest with I usually go around here and I don't speak. And >> And you usually do this behavior often? >> This behavior? >> Yes, you turn up >> The right take take take film and stuff. >> our police stations. >> I have in in the past, yeah. >> Any reason for doing so? >> Yes, it's like exciting. It's like you got all the luminous colors. You got, you know, people >> Nice not to have conversations like this. >> No, not at all. I I very rarely speak to you. >> Right. So, what's your plans now? >> Uh I'm going to wait for you to disappear. Um >> When will you be leaving then? >> Shortly. >> Cuz I've got concerns. >> Very shortly. >> Cuz I've got colleagues who are finishing their shifts, and I don't want them leaving here with you recording their vehicles. >> No, I have no intention of of I I I I see where you're getting at. >> Yeah. >> I have no intention of filming your colleagues in their vehicles. >> Yeah. >> If I wanted to, I could, but that's not what I'm about. We're just here to make a quick video. >> You can record them, but it depends on the purpose of it. If I think you're doing it for a reason that puts them at risk, I've got grounds to search you under the Terrorism Act. >> After all the back and forth, it seems like things have reached a stopping point, but this quiet standoff actually opens the door to a new turning point. With neither side backing down, the atmosphere grows heavier, and just seconds later, another move is made. >> I'm not going to stop you. >> No, that's not what I'm trying to I'm not trying I'm trying to keep it as civil as we can, deal with it at the lowest level we can. >> Yes, this is civil, Martin. I'm a civil man. I'm out in public doing what I simply and legally can. >> Yeah, we're all safe. >> All right, guys? >> Yes. But I I've got colleagues waiting to finish their shifts now. >> All right. >> They've got a long hard day. We we we should be able to answer your questions cuz we're here to prevent crime, but unfortunately, I'm having to stay here and talk to you cuz I've got concerns for my colleagues and their vehicles. >> All right, Sergeant, what was it? >> Uh Jordan Davis, temporary promoted Sergeant Jordan Davis. >> Temporary? >> Promoted. Promoted. >> Promot- temporarily. All right, okay. Oh, well, good luck with that, mate. Um Yeah, I'm nearly done, guys. As soon as you shoot off, I'll be out of here. >> You'll be okay then, yeah? >> I'll always be good. >> Yeah, we're all good. >> Keep Keep the ball safe, yeah? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> There's no arrest, no explosive climax, but the silence that follows is what truly stands out. Because sometimes, what doesn't happen speaks the loudest. >> [music] >> A safe society is not built on power alone, but on transparency, mutual respect, and meaningful dialogue [music] between people. Hey, everyone. What do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]