Need help? Huh? Did we ask for help? No, sorry. You sure did. All right, then. All right. That should tell you something. Everybody got ID on them? Absolutely got ID. I do you expect this as a committing a crime? So, here's my thing. When I get a call on you for services, this is a call for service called in by somebody, a civilian. On what seemed like an ordinary sidewalk, a simple demand for ID turned this encounter into a confrontation over civil rights and the law. So, here's the thing. You're in a high-crime area. That's the That's irrelevant. >> Okay, that's fine. And then another thing is with this is we had a call for service identifying you. When authority is misused, the consequences go beyond losing credibility. It can also lead to a lawsuit that forces the entire police department to pay the price. A cameraman stands outside the North Carolina National Guard Armory, simply filming from the public roadside. But a few curious glances from inside are enough to signal that a confrontation may be about to unfold. >> So. Uh hold on to you guys, man. Without you guys, I am nothing. Nothing but a guy out here with a camera. You make me relevant. You make me want to get out here and do it every day. Uh which I can't cuz I'm disabled. And I get out here as much as I can. Thank you guys. Damn. They're trying to figure out if they want to come over here and say something or not. I guess not. Got some more guys out there. He's looking like, "What the freak are they doing out here?" The atmosphere is still fairly calm at this moment, but the camera has clearly started drawing attention from inside the armory. And just seconds later, a police car appears, marking the beginning of a confrontation the cameraman may have anticipated all along. What are they doing out here with cameras? Can you get on the other side cuz of the sun? Yeah, it's not out right now. It's all right. >> [snorts] >> How y'all doing? All right. All right. So, how may I help y'all with? Did we ask for any help? Huh? Did we ask for help? No, sorry. You sure did. All right, then. All right. That should tell you something. Everybody got ID on them? Absolutely got ID. Absolutely need to see it. Absolutely not happening. Yes, sir. I doubt it. Yeah. So, look. You You know better than that. >> What's What's your purpose? We got these shiny new cameras for Christmas, we feel we would come out here and use them. >> [snorts] >> Why here? Why not? Just asking why here. I would think you'd be better than filming that house. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a private residence over there. Okay. So, you feel like it's more appropriate to film an armory? Today >> residence? Absolutely at at this time, yeah. At this time? Yep. Okay. Where y'all from? It don't matter where we're from, man. It don't? Nope. I'm from Jupiter. Yep. Well, that's a really cute answer. So, I see why you're out >> You see what? What are you seeing? You just You're here wanting some attention. Nope. If Nope, we're not wanting attention. We want to be left alone. Let us do our our job. >> No, that's not the case. And I think you and I both know that. >> No, it is the case. If they hadn't have called you, we would have been here 10 more minutes probably and we would have been gone. Okay. Well, they have a reason to be concerned. Absolutely. I would be I would be concerned if they weren't concerned. Absolutely. All right. Well, here's the deal. You're parked on the city easement. Absolutely, I sure am. Which is 100% legal. Okay. Need to see your ID. You're not getting it. Oh, that's cute. Go ahead and get them, man. My My shit's been run so many times. >> all you want to. I know I am. Yep. You can get them, man. My My shit's been run so many >> so many times. You can sit here all you want to. The conversation at first seemed like it would remain just a few simple questions, but once the topic of identification and legal rights came up, everything began to move beyond a normal conversation. And just minutes later, the situation would escalate much faster. Get away from my car. >> Oh, hell no. You on a public easement. We can film that car all day. Every day. I'm going to tell you one more time to get away from my car. >> I'm going to tell you we we right here can be around this car. Hey, stop being a Stop being a tyrant. Stop being a tyrant, okay? Stop being a tyrant. Yes, sir. His name's Joseph Sherry. You're more than welcome. Joseph Sherry. Yep. Good luck with that, bro. You want to be a jerk, we can be jerks, too. Sorry, can't hear you cuz you're agitating the dog. You didn't know there was a dog in there? You don't have K9 written nowhere on here. Are you blind or stupid? You don't have it on your damn uniform, smart ass. Are you blind or stupid? Evidently. Man, you're going to look good on YouTube today. I sure hope so. >> Yeah, you are. I'm going to ask you one more time. >> You You might You might get some complaint. You might get some complaints from the neighbor. I'm standing right here. That dog is fine where he's at. You're not. You got to move. I'm I'm over 10 ft away from you, cuz. No, you're not. Do you Are you dumb or stupid? Which one? I can do whatever you want Exactly. And that's where I'm going to put your ass, too. That's fine. The back-and-forth grows increasingly heated, and it's clear the situation is starting to slip out of control. The tension in the air is unmistakable now. Accusations, challenges, and arguments continue to fly until a statement from the police suddenly makes the situation even more serious. Let me get your name, sir. Somebody calm down, man. I ain't I don't need to calm down. I'm [ __ ] calm, dude. I mean, come on. I hear that. You can't be out here cussing in the Hey, how about you kiss it? How about that? What's your name? How about that? How about that, though? Did you hear what I said? Do you understand me? Do you understand me? You speak English? That's what I thought. Uh there Some of these folks that go around Some of these folks that go around with cameras, that's what we do. Oh, they do this stuff. Yeah. And you gave it to us like a big dummy. If you know what we doing, why why you still here? >> [laughter] >> Now, I ran his tag. What's your name, sir? Officer That one. Officer You're not going to identify? Ain't that in your policy? I'm sorry, what was that? I said, "What is your name?" >> You talking to me? Absolutely. Am I looking at you? I can't really tell. Okay. Well, you need to take the glasses off then. Officer what? >> I'm Officer Rowland. Rowland Puddin' Tane. What's your name? Puddin' Tane. Listen, in the state of North Carolina if you don't give me personal identifying >> [laughter] >> information when I ask for it, you'll Dude, I know my rights. Lock me up for failure to ID would be a bad move on you, Big Daddy. No. North Carolina ain't got no ID statute. No, they don't. Read it to me. Read it to me then. Give me 6 ft. You ain't got no mask on. What is your name? He's already got my name. >> I'm asking you. You're not I'm not telling you. >> to talk slick a minute ago. What's your name? You back away from me. I cannot. What's your name? You're about to get locked up. Tell me your name. How am I going to get locked up for not ID? For not ID? I'm going to lock you up. >> For not ID? >> That's exactly right. Okay. On both of these cameras, you're going to get locked up for not telling me who you are. He knows who I am. This is the last time I'm going to ask you. >> He knows who I am. He's got my name. There's no ID statute. I'm going to sit tight. Am I detained? Are you detaining me? And then I'm free to stay. I'm free to stay. Free to go anytime. And I'm free to stay there. The arguments over the law still show no sign of ending. But just when everyone thinks the situation has reached its peak, a new development emerges, making the atmosphere more serious than ever. I said finding tyrants like you. You just You just pressed on. Yes, I do. You just pressed up on me trying to intimidate me. It don't work. You're not intimidating me either, buddy. >> I'm not trying to. Okay. So, how am I a tyrant? Cuz you pressed up on me talking about to arrest me for failure to ID. >> Which I'm going to >> One day there's no such statute in North Carolina. There is. Where is it? Where is it here? Where is it? You tell it to me. I'm telling you. I know the laws in North Carolina. >> You apparently don't, sir. Evidently I do. That's why you're a tyrant, cuz you know there's no statute. You just hope I don't know. No, that's inaccurate. That is absolutely true. 100%. The only time uh you can ask for ID is if you're suspected of a crime or have committed a crime. He He knows. You're wrong. Yeah, okay. Okay. >> wrong. I've done this 100 times. Okay. Yep. I mean, we know it. I You don't think we know I used to be a police officer. No, we Hey, if you want to be a If you want to be a tyrant If you want to be a tyrant and arrest me for failure to ID, go ahead. Yeah, he don't care. He don't care that it's illegal to do that. would be in just answering a simple question. If you were an officer >> Like what? I knew that. Answer what question? I'm not looking at you, which means I'm not I But I'm I'm free to talk. I'm >> gave me, I'm giving back to you now. >> I'm a free American, dude. I can talk when I get ready. >> I'm saying? I heard you. But I'm going to treat you the same way you treat me, buddy. >> You come up on me. You could You pressed up on me. You pressed up on me. I didn't I didn't approach you. Dude, it's on camera. >> I asked you for your name. No, you pressed up on me. You got a You got a foot No, you was a foot from me. You was a foot from me. And you need to give me 6 ft. You don't have no mask on. That's not a statute. Okay, it's not law. Stop pressing up on me, man. Stop pressing up on me. Hey, hey hey, Carl, you need to come get this dog over here. We're looking for people who have an ego like that. Exactly. >> have any ego, man. You >> Absolutely, you do got a ego. And you're talking about me Sir, can you come get your dog? The confrontation may be over, but the story is likely just beginning. Once this video is posted, it may lead many people to question civil rights, the right to record, and how the law was enforced in this situation. Up next, shortly after arriving in front of the bank, the group with cameras begins filming the surrounding area. Everything seems normal until someone from inside steps out and starts questioning why they are there. Guys, what are we doing? Oh, we Yeah, what You said You said who did what? I said what are y'all doing? Just recording. They look They're just kind of worried about it, okay? They're worried? Yeah, [ __ ] Well, let me ask you this. Do you support the Constitution? Oh, yeah. Well, that's what we do. We just go around and try to find more people like yourself that respect it. Just It says in our right to freedom to record and free speech. Okay. They're a little bit upset about it. Dude, do you work here? Yeah. Here. I didn't know who you were, sir. What is What is your guys' Wi-Fi password? I mean, I really don't know. Could you be able to get it for us? I'm trying to connect my phone to the network. Okay. Well, they they don't really want you to film there, cuz we're going to ask you Don't I wasn't going to go like in or on their property. This is our property. They own the parking all the way around. Oh, they own all this? Yes. So, we're standing on their property right here. >> is their property. So, are we standing on their property? Oh, crap. So, yeah. We We're not going to be here long, just like a couple hours or so. They don't want you to be here. And then we It does Is there like a manager or anything in there that wants to come out and talk to us? Well, she sent me out here, but I don't know if She sent you out there? Yes. Why would she make you walk this far? Because I'm the security guard out here. Oh, okay. Okay, so you actually work inside of the bank. Okay. So, where can we stand? Over there on the blacktop over there. On the blacktop all the way over there? All the concrete. That small one is different office. Okay. They own all this property here. But what about this where we're standing? All the way to the curb. Oh. Yeah. So, only the employees can walk on this side of the No, anybody can walk on the sidewalk. Oh. Okay. But they own all the property. They own all the sidewalk, then. It would It'd be good if we get I wish I could speak with the manager just to kind of let her know that we're just going to be out here for like maybe like 2 hours or so. >> But what What are you What is the problem? So, I have a question for you since you work inside of there. What side is the vault on? The what? The vault. Over here where your vault After the exchange with the bank employee, the question about the property boundary still remains unclear. But just minutes later, the arrival of a police car pushes the situation into a completely different phase. What's up? Huh? What's the deal over here? What are y'all recording? Is it the bank? Oh, well, I'm trying to find funds for my local rodeo. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Have you ever been to a rodeo before? Yeah, I have. You like it? You seen the bull riding? You know me? Here's my No, I don't. Here's my thing with this, okay? I don't care if you're recording, obviously that's your right, okay? But the bank property goes all the way to this curb. Where at? To the curb line. Okay? So, on this side of the curb. You were the law enforcement. You going to let that guy just tell you anything? And how does that sound to you that the sidewalk belong to them? He's He's retired about It's It's okay. That's fine. So, y'all can either go to the other side of the street or even further down, but it's as far as being right here, like I'm just warning you now. I'm warning you. If you try to trample on my rights, I'll get a bull to come buck you. Get a supervisor. Cuz I don't want you to make no mistakes. We like bulls, not bullshitters. Yes, sir. No, bullshitter. Let's see if we can read them CAD notes. Oh, yeah, there we go, right there. Them CAD notes right there. Let's see if we can see any earwax. Cuz she can't hear what we have to say. This is my thing with this, okay? Y'all have your IDs? I got like suspected of committing a crime? So, here's my thing. When I get a call on you for service, this is a call for service called in by somebody, a civilian. I have every right to ID. >> Well, I called on a guy that was picking in his butt. Can you go ID him? Do you have your ID on you? I got Uno card. With all due respect, Officer Terry, you need reasonable articulable suspicion to of a crime. Nope, so here's the thing. You're in a high crime area. That's That's irrelevant. Both sides are trying to defend their positions, but just minutes later, the conversation moves into a new phase as the police bring up a familiar issue in situations like this. And once the topic of identity and legal rights enters the discussion, the situation becomes more unpredictable than ever. Okay, that's fine. And then another thing is with this is we had a call for service identifying you two. That's irrelevant. You either give me your IDs or when my supervisor gets here, y'all can talk to him, and he's going to also ask Is he? Just supervisor saying Okay, that's fine. He's on his way. Because we're just conducting a First Amendment protected activity. >> I'm going to go get a ticket signed by the bank, then. It's protected. Well, all I'm trying to do is find bulls, not bullshitters, and you're a bullshitter. Mr. Real quick. Wow, guys. Why Why push the issue? They were doing so good, y'all. Why push the issue? Oh, man. They were doing so good, guys. Oh, man. So, they own all the way up to the side to the curb right here. They don't They own all this public sidewalk here. So, we're going to have to wait for her supervisor. She was asking for my ID, but the only D I give is you know, guys, the letter D. I don't know. I'm just trying to make a guess. You're just trying to make a guess with this. I think they're just going to skate. I don't I think she's going to let them know that we're on the sidewalk. After the request for identification is refused, the conversation on the sidewalk begins to grow more tense. And just minutes later, a higher-ranking officer arrives, bringing a completely different approach to the situation. Hey, yes, sir. Are you Are you Are you sergeant? I'm Lieutenant Who's Lieutenant How you doing? Can I get your name and your badge, please? Jack Stone, Nashville PD, badge number 104. Yes, ma'am. How you doing, sir? >> What's your name? So, who's I I never said it. So, I'm just asking. What is What is your name? Can you tell me your name? You can just call me Bartholomew. Bartholomew? Yes, sir. >> Mine is Cowboy Jack, three-time rodeo state champion. So, we've just been on this sidewalk peacefully, just recording. And Officer Terry, were you on their property? >> Never been. We got their property line, so I know where we can and cannot stand. >> Well, we're we've been on the public sidewalk. >> The gentleman think that the property line is all the way to the curve. And I tried to show him like this is you guys' property. >> Well, what's What's your point of the of this? >> I told him we just recording. I asked the guy, I said, "Do you support the Constitution?" I said, "Well, that's what we're doing. We're just going around peacefully." >> up there? No, he walked to us, sir. We only been standing right here, but we were standing right there when you on the sidewalk. >> Yeah, on the sidewalk. And I was just in there. They were never up by the doors. They're by the Oh, no, absolutely not. >> that on camera. Okay. Yeah, I'm just trying to find a place for my local viewers. Uh I just said, "Can we get a supervisor here that might be a little bit more knowledgeable about what's going on that we are on public property? We're not even speaking to no one. They came to us." Cowboy Jack, three-time rodeo state champion. What event? Huh? Bull riding. Bull riding? Yes, I like bulls, not bullshitters. And I think that officer right there is a bullshitter. So, before you get out of here though, sir, if I can get the CFS uh from you, please. What is that? The proper service number, the CAD. Okay. The report number. >> You can radio that over. I appreciate it. Okay. All right. Is there anything else I can help you with? Did they I would like to I would I would like to speak with this Terry just real quick. No, we're we're good. >> Okay. Well, I just need the CFS and Okay. As long as you educate >> You do have beautiful teeth, I have to say. You have a great smile. I haven't seen yours. What What Let me see that smile. There you go. All right. Thanks, Bartholomew. Cowboy Jack. Cowboy Jack, three-time rodeo state champion. You didn't get injured, did you? Huh? You didn't get injured by the bulls, did you? Yeah, yeah, they hit me in my balls. But guess what? They grew back even bigger. No No back problems, though? No back problems. >> need that ID, Officer Terry? You got You got to violate my rights? >> [laughter] >> She said, "I can get your After all the arguments and misunderstandings, the situation finally begins to cool down. But what just happened on this sidewalk still leaves a big question. Are civil rights truly understood in situations like this? Citizens may file a lawsuit [music] against police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who break the law could face financial liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. In a civilized society, the rights of citizens and the responsibilities of law enforcement must go hand in hand. Hey everyone, >> [music] >> what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]