Yeah, because the re only reason why I'm using this passport application is because there I don't have like a foyer form and in the state of Illinois no standard form is even required. >> Do you guys have IDs on you? >> Do we have IDs on us? Do we have to show ID? >> Uh I'm here investigating a call. So I am requesting your identification. >> There was no crime but someone crossed the law and the price to pay was far from small. >> You know provide ID minus a crime or anything like that. So what did they do? Press the panic button or something? Well, they just call this office trying to see what's going on. >> Do we have to give you our ID? Are we required? >> Give me your name. I don't need everything. I just need your name to know who I talk to. >> You can just You can just call me daddy. >> The law was bent in just a few minutes. But the disciplinary record can follow these abusive officers for their entire careers. The moment the camera turned inward, the atmosphere shifted instantly. And when personal rights are debated inside a public workplace, every word that follows can become evidence. Here is Ran [clears throat] 2016. >> How's it going? >> How you doing? >> You videotaping us, man? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was it illegal to videotape uh federal officers? G about to cause something for you on >> you. You think you think so? >> I know so. >> No federal in any type of federal building you can't videotape, man. It's against the law. >> Against [music] the law. Oh, I think what's your name, sir? >> Kare Muhammad. >> Okay. I think you probably might be misinformed, man. Cuz >> cuz I I mean you said you said it's against the law. >> I mean, I said Okay. You're not supposed to tell federal any federal deals and stuff like that. >> I think you might be misinformed, man. >> Oh, okay. Somebody Yeah, somebody probably just lied to you, man. You know, they do a lot of that, man. You get the reason you filming for? >> Yeah. You know, it's always a reason and I'm just for my own reasons. >> You got me on camera, too, man. >> Yeah, you work here, right? >> But I'm not consent to be on any camera. I don't know what it's being used for. >> So, I don't have to consent to any type of videotaping of myself. You can use that and send that and make money off of it. And I agree to it. >> Well, I mean I mean it's not >> I'm saying that when you record me, you know, then I'm definitely, you know, not in agreement with what you record me on anything. >> Okay. You like the postmaster? >> No, I'm not the postmaster. >> Oh, but you do work here. In fact, you do. >> Yeah, but outside of that. You want me to get the postmaster for you? >> I mean, I don't think it's necessary, but if you want to. I mean, >> I'm saying I don't want to be filmed is what I'm telling you, brother. I don't want you I don't want to be filmed on your Okay. >> If I did this to you, >> now if you do it, you know you can't delete this video, right? Cuz if you delete it, it's going to be a crime. >> What began as seemingly harmless back and forth quickly went further than it ever needed to. And in the next moment, a decision was made. One that clearly changed the atmosphere in the room. >> It's crazy, man. Then they calling the police, man. Possibly subjecting one to uh possible harm for uh doing [music] something that's totally legal. So, >> is it anything that we can help you with, sir? >> I' I've answered that, sir. I I have to file [clears throat] a foyer request. >> So, I'm definitely going to do that. And then once I'm done with [music] that, this is a fairly small post office, so nothing too much to document. But after I file my for you, I'll be out of here. But now he's calling the cops, so it's crazy. So we going to see if we can file this foyer request real quick. Uh I think they got some passport application back here. This Department of State fill it out on the other one right here. This looks like it's too much paper right here. We don't need this much paper to do it. [clears throat] Fill it out on this one right here. We should be good to go. >> [sighs] >> So, um, let me do this right quick. Fill out this foyer right quick, man. Wait on Summit Police Department to show up. >> At this point, it seemed like everything could finally come to a stop. But just as the tension eased, another move emerged, one that made it clear the story wasn't over yet. From that moment on, the conversation was no longer just about the camera. How you doing, officer? Doing fine, >> man. Nothing much, man. Just How you doing, officer? Uh, I'm coming in [music] to, you know, well, we talking here, so I just show >> Well, I'm actually going to show you guys right here what this thing say right here. >> I was trying to explain it to them, but they they weren't too interested. Um, this is this is their rules and regulations of stuff that's, you know, in terms of conduct on postal property. And it tells the staff here, regular citizens, have a right to come in and film on, you know, postal property. I was trying to convey that to them while I was here. [music] They just weren't too interested. So, they wanted me to leave and I told them after I file a foyer request, I will be out of here. Fairly small, not nothing really to document. >> But the guy did take a picture of me with his uh personal phone. So, I need >> What What was the whole issue? Like, what happened? >> Just me recording. Literally, [clears throat] that was it. >> When you walked in recording, that's what the problem was. >> Exactly. So >> sense. >> Yeah, I know. And and it's right. It's literally >> Did you come into the to the front desk or did you >> Well, I I when I first walked in, I got all this footage right here. And then I walked in right here and I started filming like, you know, the desk and stuff and this guy with the boxes, he engaged me right away. So what are you doing? I was just explaining it to a woman. And the other guy right there, he didn't, you know, he didn't know as well. But >> So he said that you can't be filming. They said you can't be filming on property. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you conduct any business here? >> I'm trying to file a FOYA now. I wasn't wasn't even going to file one until I seen the guy take a picture of me with his personal phone. But now I have to. So what you find a a foyer over? >> Uh the Freedom of Information Act for for for the uh public record that he created with his phone. So he took a picture of video of me phone with his personal phone. >> That's creating a public record. So >> Okay. Um All right. How you going? Will you step out is just slip out and talk out here. >> Come here. >> I mean that's cool. Yeah. But you you see my paperwork is right here to your right. Right. So I definitely got Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was saying I don't want to get I definitely got to finish. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, that's that's that's that's literally the entire issue here today. So nothing nefarious. Don't have any ill intent. Nothing is going on. >> Are you filling out this paperwork here for a foyer? >> Yeah. Because on on the only reason why I'm using this passport application is because there I don't have like a foyer form and in the state of Illinois no standard form is even required. So you can write it on that blank sheet. So I'm going to use that as a blank sheet. The line began to blur, not between right and wrong, but between authority and procedure. Questions that seemed simple went unanswered. And soon after, a small detail overlooked from the start resurfaced, bringing consequences that were no longer easy to contain. >> What's your name and badge number? >> I think is 130. >> 130. Appreciating you, sir. >> Pinky 148. >> Appreciate that you, sir. >> Yeah. >> Thanks a lot. >> Let's step outside. >> Yeah. How many people are concerned about coming in? >> Yeah, that's cool. But I'm just just just so we clear. I definitely got to finish my business. So I can Yeah, I can step out and talk to you briefly. >> You have ID. I can run real quick. Okay. >> No, I don't have I don't have ID on me right now. Uh >> I mean, I can give you my first my first name, James. That's cool. I don't want, you know, provide ID minus a crime or anything like that. What did they do? Press the panic button or something? >> No, they just call this just trying to see what's going on. James, >> I know. Like it had it had to be 911 though, man. Y'all, it's too many of y'all, man. You know what it is? Honestly, James, to tell you the truth, it's the end of the shift. >> Oh, okay. >> And so, we're getting ready to leave. So, when we're all going in and they call that there's a disturbance, we're all getting gas. We're all like right here in the corner. Wow. >> So, we all just came over here cuz why not? We're right here. >> Better numbers. You never know what you're going to get yourself into. >> Yeah, I feel you, man. That's like abuse of 911 though, man. At the end of the day, cuz >> if I call 911, right, say I see a guy with a gun and it's not a gun, then I' i've lied. Can't can't someone be charged for that? >> Yeah. But I think what they're saying is they wanted somebody off their property, >> right? So, >> but but what I'm talking about in terms of them saying 911, we we have someone disorderly conduct or whatever the verbiage that they use. >> Yeah. They said there was somebody being disorderly. >> Yeah. And and standing there recording is definitely not. >> They could use that. If use of 911 would be if they called and there was nothing going on, they just wanted to have it show up or something like that. So, what is your name? So, James, what what is your last name? >> Well, I just want to give James uh Officer Dominguez with all due respect. If I'm not, you know, uh you know, I haven't committed any crimes or anything like that. >> You have not committed a crime? >> No. Yes. So, I just want to remain anonymous. to my information so we know >> I understand how that go but I just rather give you James I mean you guys been great so >> I'm sorry I know he asked you already can you give me the summary of what >> Yeah real quick like I was >> like just what you're trying what you need how can we help you like >> basically you you guys to be perfectly honest the police department >> can't really help but it would be a help if you can convey to them that we do have a right to do exactly what I was doing >> and to leave me unmolested that would be a great help >> okay >> I'm trying to file for you with this with the US Yes. >> Okay. >> I'll be good to go. That's it. >> Okay. They I don't think they were even aware that you were trying to even file them. >> I had told them I told both of them guys. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, I told both of them. >> They you weren't trying to do anything like that. >> Absolutely, man. >> Um are they are are you thinking that they're going to help you? >> Well, all I have to do is fill out the for you and then I'll turn it into them. If they want to accept it or not, that I mean, I can't help that. You understand what I'm saying? >> After a series of exchanges that seemed clear enough, nothing exploded. Instead, it quietly accumulated. There was no immediate decision, no on the spot conclusion. And what unfolded later at a different moment revealed that the consequences of those earlier minutes had never disappeared. >> I'm sorry, how do you pronounce it? Zean. Did I get it right? >> Okay. So, real quick, uh, Lieutenant, I know obviously you've been listening in on it a little bit what's been going on. Uh, I just wanted to make sure that, you know, saying off the officers here, obviously you're a lieutenant. You're you're overseeing everybody that's here. Uh, we we do have a first amendment right to record in public and and to follow for you. But my thing is the most crucial thing about it is right there on their wall that's telling them that we can do this and it's we're getting push back. So, >> we're aware that you could do it. >> Oh. Oh. Oh, did they? >> A little warm out. >> Okay. So, they told you this. >> Well, yeah, kind of. Sort of. But but I'm saying before you guys got here they didn't is what I'm saying. So >> let me get a copy. >> Okay. Well, I'm going just get a copy of this for you and then like I say once you guys book out I'll be leaving. >> Yeah, if they got a copy of that I guess they probably do. >> Yeah, I'll ask them real quick. >> You want me to ask them for you sir? >> I mean I can. That's okay. Appreciate it though. Thanks. >> So uh let me see if they will to give us a copy of the foyer. Can I get a copy of this? Then then I'll be good. Just a zerox. Appreciate it. [sighs] Yeah. So, um, just wanted to make sure everything like I was just telling the lieutenant. Yeah, everything's straight, man. I guess the lieutenant had another dialogue with him at the end right there. They They're saying everything's cool now. Maybe they talked to their postmaster. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, >> possibly. >> Could be. >> But my thing is, uh, like I [music] say, once I get my copy, uh, I'll be good and then once you guys leave, I'll be leaving. >> Yeah, cuz you're right. Like, you're able to come and report. I understand everything that you're doing. >> For sure. Yeah. Especially, like I said, it's right there on the wall right there. >> Yeah. >> But Oh, yeah. You can keep the original. I'll just take the top. Yep. Appreciate it. >> So, yeah. Like I say, it's right there on the wall. I'm not sure. Did you guys I'm not sure. Did you see it right here? >> I I told you. >> Oh, you know exactly what it is. Yeah. So, yeah, man. That's that's the only thing I said. Nothing nefarious is going to happen. >> Yeah. And people you know how you know how it is. People hate this in all it says. I know you're within the roof. I'm just telling you it's people's natural instinct. >> But you know, but the only crazy part [music] about that if you look up in that ceiling. >> Yeah. We're being recorded right now. Oh, yeah. >> Oh, y'all don't even got body cams up. >> No. >> City of Summit. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Cameras. Body cameras. Nice. >> Oh, okay. All right. Well, I was like, like once you guys leave, I'll be booking out. So, >> it all came to an end. No handcuffs, no charges. But the questions remained about how power was used and about the reactions that unfolded over nothing more than a camera. Up next, [music] just standing on the sidewalk with a camera. But from that moment on, a look of suspicion sent everything off course. >> I just want to know what you was doing. >> Just just taking some video of >> the the building. >> Yeah. Like just like the the entrance way right here. Probably just the drive. I wasn't going to go on in on the propert. >> Yeah. Just like just like right here. Are these the workers cars right here? >> Right here. Okay. I wasn't going to go on the property or anything like that. >> Is there a reason why though? >> For some friends. >> Just for some friends, man. >> Yeah. You security in there? >> I am. >> You are. Is the manager there? >> Yeah. Do you know if someone would get a copy from her or would they have to go down there to like the city hall >> for >> like um like the floor plan >> for the what? >> Like the floor plan? >> Oh. Uh >> you know if she would have a copy of that or would they go down to city hall? >> I don't think No, I don't know. >> You don't know? You're not sure? >> I'm not sure. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Before you go back in there then um No. How about this? Do you have Do you got their Wi-Fi password? The Wi-Fi here doesn't work. >> The Wi-Fi don't work. >> No, but this is some weird stuff you asking for, bro. I'm not even going >> What is What is the >> floor plan? Car workers. >> No, I just said if someone wanted to get a copy of that, what they get it from like the manager, >> the car the workers of the car, the cars of the >> Just so I know what not to I didn't want to I didn't want to record their their stuff. That's why I asked you. >> I mean, you free to record whatever you want. That's why I come up here. I got a smile on my face. >> Yeah. Yeah. You been cool. You in the hood, bro. Yeah. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Now, but look, before you go back in there between me and you, would you be able to share with me like where the vault is located? >> Oh, you tripping, dog. [laughter] >> You would you be able to share that? >> What is that? What you want? You doing comedy? >> No, I just said would you be able to share that? >> You doing comedy, bro? >> Just would you be able to share that, bro? >> You doing comedy? No, I can't share that. What? >> You can't? >> No. What the hell, bro? >> I thought you said you work in there. >> Security. >> That's why I said between me and you, bro. >> Yeah. Look, you got me recorded. Crazy, bro. Here, man. It's okay. >> Is it What are you like undercover? >> Undercover? >> Yeah. >> Um, I'm just recording. I ain't I'm just going to be like a couple hours. >> The first few minutes felt like nothing more than a casual sidewalk conversation, but those seemingly harmless questions quietly triggered a very different reaction. And once a third party appeared, the story began to veer in a direction no one could control anymore. >> All right. Now, Kansas City, it look like we do have uh law enforcement actually arrived. And here we go. >> Hello. >> Don't say nothing to him. >> I'm Officer Sanders with the police department. >> Nope, you don't get to do that to me. >> I'm Officer Sanders with the police department. I'm here because the bank called and said you guys were recording them. You just messed up a good video, man. We almost made 15 minutes of pure silence. >> Okay. Well, uh, you don't dictate my job. So, I'm here to tell you guys why I'm here. And the bank was concerned because you're videoing the bank and the customer, so that's why I'm here. Is there a reason for the videoing? >> Huh? Excuse me. >> Okay. So, I'm going to repeat this again. >> Go ahead. >> The bank called. >> Yes. >> Because you are videoing a private business. >> Okay. and their privacy obviously. So, they wanted me to come contact you guys and see what's going on and why you're recording their bank. >> Okay. What is your name? >> Officer Sanders. I said that when I first showed up and you told me to shush. >> Would you like to speak with them first? >> I mean, we can go talk to them if you'd like to. >> We can go speak with just to see what they said because >> I already talked to them on the phone. >> You talked to the bank. >> They're the ones that called, sir. >> I just figured they call dispatch. I didn't know they talked to you personally. >> So, they call dispatch. Dispatch gives me the call and then I talk to them. >> Okay. And what did you say to them? >> So, is there any reason why we're recording the bank and the customers? >> Just cuz I want to. >> Okay. Do you guys have IDs on you? >> Do we have IDs on us? Do we have to show ID? >> Uh, I'm here investigating a call. So, I am requesting your identification. >> Do we have to give you our ID? Are we required? >> You give me your name. I don't need everything. I just need your name to know who I talk to. >> You can just You can just call me daddy. >> Okay. So, if that's how this is going to go, >> what do you mean how how it's going to go? >> I'm kind of confused. So, but you're videoing a private business. >> What's wrong with that? >> So, I'm just asking you why you're out here. >> I'm not here to violate your rights. >> Let me ask you Let me ask you a a real serious question. >> Okay. Go ahead, sir. >> What rights do I have in this situation that you're here to defend? >> So, I am here investigating why you're recording the bank. >> From this point on, the questions were no longer casual. The air grew heavier with every exchange. Rights were mentioned, but understood very differently. And just minutes later, a single move made it impossible for the conversation to return to its original pace. >> What rights do I have in this situation on this sidewalk that you're here to defend? >> So, you are at liberty to record. >> So, what's the issue? Why are you pressing >> here asking you why you're recording the bank? >> Because I want to. >> Okay. >> That's it. >> But when you tell me to be quiet while I'm doing my job, that's when we had the issue. We was 15 minutes of silence. If you was doing your job correctly, you would have went in there first to see what they had to say. But you did say you did say you speak with them, sir. >> Okay. >> I'm not trying to press the issue, man. Do you have a business card on you? Uh, >> I might actually. Would you like a supervisor? I can get one here. >> No, I don't. We don't I don't think we need a supervisor for this. >> It's all on my business card right there. Sanders 136. >> Okay. Now, one more thing you can do for me. Can you write down the CFS? >> Sure. Okay, >> I'll have to go back to my car and get it. Give me one second. >> I told you they going to come here and ask you for your ID. These ones is going to push it. They they they haven't had this done yet. They haven't experienced this yet. toward he going to be he gonna push the issue man until you realize you understand you standing on busy you understand what you doing about him >> so yes y'all we have Warrenburg uh policeburg police. I should have made him go on the inside first. I'mma still try to have him go on the inside, y'all. I'm about to make him go on the inside. Let's see if we can get him to go on the inside. When the situation was pushed to its breaking point, it was no longer about explanations or clarity. Pressure began to mount and even silence stopped being harmless. Then a series of moves followed enough to make viewers question whether any of this was being handled the right way. >> This is called bringing the force right here. They trying to scare you right here. It's called bringing the force. >> All right, gentlemen. My information's on the front. Calls for service on the back. >> Can I ask you one more question? >> Sure. >> Did you go in there? >> I did. >> Why did you go in there? You already talked to him on the phone. They didn't want to say anything else. >> Hey, can I get y'all two names and badge number since y'all did show up? That's all I need. >> That's it. I'm not a difficult person to deal with, sir. Very professional. Oh, so you corporate. Is that the Is that the Is that the sergeant, sir? >> But they not speaking at all to us. >> Hood. >> Good day. >> Okay. How you can tell that's corporal? He got two lines on his shirt. If he had three lines, he's a sergeant. >> That mean he's a rookie. >> I'm about to pull his hiring date. I'm pulling your salary. >> He getting up out of there. >> Yeah. >> They like think we here to make them look bad and everything. This is actually a time to actually highlight your department. Highlight that you know how to handle these. They just get they just got up out of there. Ain't nothing wrong with that. But you approached me though. That's the thing. You approached the guy. K hood. K Hood. Yeah. Okay. Hood must been working for a little bit. I already knew he was experienced. I said, "These are the supervisors pulling up, and that must been a real rookie." >> There were no handcuffs and no arrest warrants. Yet, that presence spoke volumes about how power is exercised and about what [music] citizens are forced to understand just to stand still on a sidewalk. Under section [music] 1,983, citizens can sue police officers when their constitutional rights are violated. Officers who break the law may be held financially liable and face discipline or termination. A safe society doesn't begin with fear, but with respect for one another's rights. Power itself isn't wrong, but the way it's used can harm an entire society. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? 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