Right, so so now I'm being I'm being I I you know threat of violence. There's there's the water. I'm within the public easement. I'm within the public easement, sir. You're not being detained. You're not being anything. But what I'm going to ask you is what specifically are taking pictures of? Officers who don't understand this law think they're protecting security, but end up sparking controversy over constitutional rights. Let me see your ID. Am I being detained? You have an ID? Am I being Do you have some ID with you? No. Do you have a name? No. Really? When the public sees officers crossing the line, their reputation, credibility, and even legal accountability are all put on the line. Rapid-fire questions began to surface, and within minutes an ordinary conversation turned into a heated dispute over the right to film on public property. I just wanted to ask. Yeah, that's it. It's tagged as a government building. Okay. You look on Google Maps, so you know, we the people have a right to see how our money's being spent. If it's not a It's not a government building, then uh then uh maybe you guys should update your sign. Because? Because I want to see how tax dollars are being spent on a government building. Okay. Okay, cool. Do you want my information or anything or Nope. Don't need it. Not unless you want to give [music] it. You're being live-streamed to the internet right now. Okay, thank you. Yes. What's going on? Nothing's going on. Hey, you're having a camera. Exactly. Yes. Taking pictures. Of? And video. [music] You're being live-streamed to the internet. Who am I speaking with? Um that's not important. Okay. Thank you. I'm just going to ask. Then then you're not important. If we can't have a cordial conversation >> [music] >> and at least by first exchanging either titles or names, then please go about your business. I'm just standing on public property. Please leave me alone. You're on No, I'm I'm on public property. I'm within the easement of the road, 33 ft. As the debate over the right to film showed no sign of ending, the atmosphere suddenly grew more heated by the minute, and soon after the arrival of new individuals, along with increasingly tense attitudes, pushed the situation into a completely different phase. There's a fire station, and that's a government building. This is a government building. Correct? No, that's a private company. But it's a it's tagged as a government a government building. Look on Google. It's a govern- It's a government building. I promise you that is a private company. >> it's a government building. So, if they're upstairs and they're cleaning out and they're paying staff, then then I have the right to come out here and film. I have the right to turn the camera, which it is facing this way, [music] and film this place right here. From a public easement. You have no right to tell me not to from a public space. You can't come out here on a city street and tell another man what to do, right? Correct, sir? Well, I'm >> property to me. No, I'm standing on the public easement. Okay. This body cam's been running the whole time. >> Okay. I I'm just saying a body cam's been running. I've been live streaming the entire time. Okay. So, I mean, if if there's anything else I can help you with. We're just concerned about what you're doing. That's all. Taking pictures. Okay. May I ask you what you're taking my pictures for? I'm not taking your picture directly until just now. What are you taking them for? Because I have a constitutional right. For what? Are you going to come over here angry, or are you actually going to have to move over here? >> ask a question. Well, you're coming over here very angry. Your body language is so you're angry. >> body language. Okay. Well, then then then then we're done talking. Call the police. [music] Good. Police are on the way. I hope so. Good. You'll be educated. Would you like to come back over here when they get here? Yes. >> you taking pictures of this building? I've explained it a whole bunch of times. He didn't explain it to you? >> No, this is very confidential and there's people that come in here that don't want people to know that they're here and you're you are not >> Okay. Yeah, I am. Because if you look on Google Map, can you do me a favor? Can you look on Google Map? No. Why are you here? Can you look on Google Map? Okay, then then I'm not going to answer any more of your questions. If we can't be cordial You cannot You cannot tell me to leave public property. I'm on public property. >> help me understand what your purpose for taking pictures of your building. Go to Google Map. Why don't you explain it to me? Go to Google Map. Look at the building. It says governmental building. Okay. I have a right, a First Amendment right, [music] as the press, to come out here and As the back-and-forth began to move beyond the bounds of a normal conversation, tense gestures and attitudes started to emerge. And then, just minutes later, the situation suddenly escalated when a serious accusation was made right in front of the camera. Taking pictures of you. >> bust the [ __ ] out of it right now cuz I don't want my picture >> Because I will you I'll beat his ass. No. Jordan, If you're If you're going to come over here and do it If you're going to come over here and do it, you're going to go to juvie. Psycho, I'mma shoot the [ __ ] You're already being live streamed. Now I got [music] to separate. Thank goodness you're here. I'm getting death threats from these guys over here. Actually, this kid over here said he was going to shoot me. This uh this little kid over here, you can talk to the security guard, the white one. He'll tell you. Taking pictures. That guy That guard right there, he can tell you that uh there was a kid that was making death threats saying he was going to shoot me. My question is, why are you Because that's a government building. I'm taking pictures. Yeah. I have a constitutional first amendment right to take pictures. What's your name, sir? What's your badge number or P number? It's 65. Badge or P number? It's 65. 34253.5 It says I don't have to. Unless unless unless you unless me of a crime or an ordinance violation. I'm not hollering at anybody. I have I've been live streaming the entire time. Right. You ask this guy. Did Hey, did I not get a death threat from the kid saying he was going to shoot me? He didn't say he was He Yeah, he said he was going to shoot me. He was going to call somebody. He said he was going to shoot me. Not only that, but he said he was going to beat my ass, correct? I do I do have it on live stream. Right. So so now I'm being I'm being I I you know threat of violence. They want him off his property. >> I'm not on any property. I'm on a public easement. 33 33 ft from center line, sir. 33 I I look, they're they're right there. They're they're right there. Right there. There's there's the water. I'm within the public easement. I'm within the public easement, sir. >> You can't be out causing a scene. Their Their fears don't trump my rights. >> [music] >> Their fears don't trump my rights, sir. Because it's a gove- it's tagged as a government building. Not only that, but there's a fire station right here. Doesn't matter. I'm on public property. As accusations began to surface and the dialogue grew more tense than ever, all attention shifted to the officer's response. And just moments later, questions about authority and legal procedures pushed the situation into a far more unpredictable turn. Let me see your ID. Do you have an ID? >> Am I being detained? Do you have an ID, please. >> Am I being detained? Let's not start this. No, no, no. First of all, you're you're >> easement. Check it out. I already I checked the GIS survey before I came out here. >> a disturbance. Their fears don't try I'm not caught They're the ones who came out here. a disturbance >> I didn't say anything to anybody. This man down here is the first one who came up to talk to me. I didn't say anything. I was very cordial. Alex over here came up to talk to me. Okay. He was very cordial. >> Okay. But other than that, >> [music] >> I haven't done anything wrong. I mean, do Do you agree with that? I'm not going to say that. >> this Is this a supervisor? I'm not going to Is this a supervisor? I do. Hey John, how you doing today? Good. How you doing? I'm all right, sir. Just out here filming again? Oh, you bet. Can't hear you. Are you on Where Where have you been standing by? You You can see the tracks right here. Okay. Public easement. I haven't went on anybody's property. And I'm walking the public easement since there's no sidewalk. I already checked the GIS [music] survey before I came out here, sir. What What are you usually doing? I always did. What you can do is file a check the border and you will be not allowed to be within so many feet. Okay. So, that's my suggestion. But first, I have to do something wrong. I didn't do anything wrong. What's your name? >> [snorts] >> What was he doing, he said? I've been very disturbing to our clients. You can bring this video as your report with your client. Yeah. I'm making them very uncomfortable. They're trying to get up. Their feelings don't trump my rights. I have a right to be here. But I didn't do anything. That won't trump your rights. Nope. I don't didn't do I didn't do anything. He won't. I I You can I didn't cause a scene. I'm standing here. [music] I'm standing here. The exchange seemed to reach its peak with arguments over authority and legal boundaries showing no signs of cooling down. And then, an unexpected development shifted the atmosphere in a way no one saw coming. I didn't say anything to anyone. No, it's not. Now you're making stuff up. But I have a constitutional [music] right to stand here. You're being live-streamed. Live-streamed to the internet. Not using the camera. This is the one who said he was going to shoot me. Yes, yes, that's settled. Okay. I appreciate it. Yeah, because I I know that there's there's nothing that you could do. The police already said that you were all right. So, you know, I just have to All right. Actually Okay. K090 59 That is the paper tag. The confrontation may be over, but many questions remain unanswered. Where is the line between citizens' rights and law enforcement authority? Citizens may file a Section 1983 lawsuit when their rights are violated. Officers who cross the line could face financial liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. Up next, with just a few simple questions, the atmosphere instantly shifted. As the security manager began questioning the filmers' identity, the audit moved into a more tense phase where the line between a request and actual authority became increasingly blurred. We asked what we Yeah. Of video? It's what I can see in public. Okay, do you want to argue a journalist? Yeah. Can I see some ID? Oh, okay. Unless you suspect me of committing a crime. Well, no. I I watch enough videos and reels on TV. You're just doing what I do. So, I tell you what, you can film all you want. You're not being detained. You're not being anything. But what I'm going to ask you is what specifically are taking pictures of? Oh, just the whole you know, county complex, sheriff's office, detention center, courthouse, office stuff. Vehicles? Mhm. Yeah. Did you think maybe you if you would go to the county to do that stuff ahead of time, they maybe would let you without drawing suspicion? No, I didn't think of that cuz it's Yeah, I'm sure that they would I'm I'm sure they would uh Well, no. It's not that, but you know, it's you're just around a facility and maybe that talking with the county would be a great thing. Maybe they'd let you do it. I am. Why no, but without having people being uh you know, bothered by it, I guess. I'm not, but We'll see. And there you go. I mean, that's fantastic. >> But when But when we have employees that are uh female people doing that stuff, they they're female people are >> Yeah, the clerks, the female that sit work here don't like to be videoed. You know, and you can do all you want cuz I'm just being nice asking you that. You're You've been Do you wear a mask for a reason? It's cold. Yeah, that's true. It is a little nippy out. Yeah, I'm covered. After the initial questions about identity and the purpose of filming, it seemed the interaction would remain polite. But just minutes later, the security manager returned with a firmer tone. From that moment on, the discussion was no longer just a simple request. Take your photos. Okay. So, generally this is a employee only access for parking and whatnot? Oh, yeah, I saw it. That's why I didn't bring my vehicle in here. Okay. Um It didn't say authorized personnel only. Like for example there, law enforcement only. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So, you're just doing recordings out here, huh? Yeah. Okay. Do you have some ID with you? No. You have a name? No. Really? Okay. He said I mean, you can call me You can call me Gandalf the White if you like. Got you. Okay. So, for the most part, we'd like you to head back that direction. And in that area outside where the um trees and all that were, by all means. >> There's no signage over there that says authorized personnel only. But that's what the gates are for. So, we don't have people cuz we do have I know the gates are I'm looking at the gates right now. They're for vehicles. people that park back here. And of course, if somebody back here doing like what you're doing, they may become concerned that you're in here with a vehicle prowl. Well, if you suspect that I'm vehicle prowling, then you can detain me for that. Not with reasonable articulable suspicion. >> doing that. Nope, not doing that. Just asking Just asking you if you don't really have any business back here, I need you to head back that way. Oh, I've got a lot of business back here. For what? Collecting content for a story. Okay. What story are you collecting content for? >> Well, I can't divulge it now. It'd kind of, you know, give it away and it might influence you guys' behavior. Just being We're just being polite about asking you if you don't have any business back here. >> You're You're being polite, cordial, all that. I don't disagree. I mean, the one thing you're You're not being reasonable about is that This is a walkable area here on the sidewalk and going through there there's nothing that says authorized >> you're refusing to to exit this way and go that way? I'm not refusing. I'm asking you, are you giving me a no trespass warning? >> Nope, not at all. Okay. Then >> Just asking if you don't have business back here. >> This is a request. This is not an official order. >> order or anything like that, then I'm going to politely decline your request. >> Okay. Good enough. Yeah. All right. If you guys want to hang out and do all that, that's fine. Well, we work here. So, That's why that's the reason why I'm security coordinator. Yeah, make sure everything is on the up and up and nobody does anything wrong. >> be a security coordinator if you weren't coming out here and putting your suspicions to rest. As the debate over the employees only area showed no signs of ending, both sides began to stand firmly on their positions. Warnings about rules and legal boundaries made the situation more tense. And at that moment, the filmer chose to seek answers directly from law enforcement, setting the stage for an unexpected turning point in the next segment. statutorily meets any of the elements that would facilitate some sort of a misdemeanor crime. >> I will tell you we will be here. >> don't have another issue that pops up. So, if you head back this direction over into that employee parking lot, it is posted, not on this side, but it is posted on the other side to the Justice Center entrance, that it's employees only in that parking area. It says authorized personnel only. It says employees only. I'm the one that put the sign up there, trust me. When did you put it there? It's been there for since the summertime. This summer? Yes, sir. Okay. So, if I walk down that sidewalk, where will I find it at? >> So, you will find it on the far fence, all the way over towards the front of the Justice Center. You might want to look at the Washington Administrative >> I don't need to look at the Washington Administrative Code. You don't need to update me. >> you've done [snorts] wrong then. No, no, we haven't. It's employee parking and it's so it's stated for employee parking only. I'm going to go check out that sign. What's your name? It says for employees only. I'm going to go check out that sign. What's your name? You can look it up. Okay. You want to You don't want to cooperate with us about this. >> Here's what's going to happen. Here's what's going to happen. >> care, sir. I'm going to go over there. Yes, sir. I'll and I will meet you over there. And I'm going to confront you over there about it, okay? See you there in a minute. Absolutely makes no sense. Yeah, I'm going to be cutting through there here in a second. After legal arguments were laid out and tensions began to rise, the filmer chose not to back down, but instead to verify everything to the very end. Questions about signage and authority led him into a new exchange with law enforcement. So, yeah, deputy, about I want to say an hour and 15, [music] 20 minutes ago, I'm not familiar with the name of the road is over that way, but the one that's in between here and Target. Okay. Uh so, I had walked up that road and crossed into like where that employee parking area is. It's like a couple of lift bars and there's >> Well, there was a while ago they were talking about you talking around recording or whatever it was. They I knew about it. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that was about an hour I I'll move it an hour and a half ago, I think. Okay. Around there. Sure. So, I went back there. A bailiff, I came to discover, his name is Krowl, Dave Krowl or something like that. So, he came out with a guy who said he was the head of security. Right. He was wearing a blue vest. They were just like, "Hey, why are you back here taking uh photographs and recording?" And I just said, you know, "I'm just gathering content for a news story. That's why I'm back here." Okay. So, um when I went to leave, the head of security said, "If you walk this way roughly about 50 ft, take a right, and go into the employee parking lot area, Yep. I'm going to have a deputy come out and arrest you cuz you're being there." He said, "I've put signs up on the other side of >> about the the large gate there that has the sign on it? Was that the area he was talking about? >> Yeah, but that one doesn't [clears throat] have a sign that It does. It has a trespass sign on it. I just walked by there, it's not there. Uh well, we might be talking about two different gates. So, the the the outer parking lot there has it's it's intended for employee parking only. That's but that's all it says. Correct. >> Then there's an inner gate where like where I go in. There's two gates to go in. That has signs on both ends because we've been through a previous issue where somebody tried to go on a walk about all the way through there. And that's not open to the public. Yeah, yeah. No, that one's clear cuz it closes and locks. It says law enforcement only, no trespassing, has all that sort of stuff. So, if you're standing in front of that and you turn around and walk back about 60 ft and take a right, you'll start going back into what is another series of parking lots. As the truth about the signage and authority gradually became clear, the tension in the air began to ease. But instead of ending there, the conversation expanded into a deeper discussion about legal procedures and how law enforcement handles similar situations. It says employees only. Yeah, and the problem with that obviously is it's vague. It's just a sign, you know? Is there a statute? Is there an administrative code? There's nothing, you know, giving authority to it. But what I wanted to do is I wanted to go through the whole process because when people watch and see how government plays out, this is important for people to see like what are the limitations. Obviously, the sign they put over there in the gate, I go play silly games over there. If I pass the gate, I'm going to get trespassed. So, it's like yeah, I mean anywhere in the county if you got like say I go to a trespass, the first time I'm like okay, where is it at? If I'm [music] county getting called to it. And we got a lot of properties that may they own it, they can be trespassed to to put to [music] actually go and push charges on them, it's not going to work unless it's signed properly or >> [music] >> something. But I can tell somebody to be like like an individual, right? Say like they're on property. Say it's just a fence, no signage. I know prosecution wise I'm going to have problems because of the signage, but they can be trespassed and I'll give them a warning. Is what I do. I get their information, We the warning out there. Put it on books. This person knows. But then the other 10 people that I haven't talked to yet because of the signage, I'd still have to go warn them, too. Out of curiosity, it's it's interesting hearing you say that with the the trespass warning. Have you Are you familiar with the administrative code on the no trespass warning? It's called a 23006. Administrative, I know the RCW's. Yeah, the RCW on the trespass is interesting because it makes it clear what trespassing one and two is, right? >> Right. But there's an administrative code that >> Are you talking WAC? Yeah. Right. >> There's a WAC that says when a no trespass warning is given out, there's six elements that must be given on a card. That's it. We don't do a card. >> You don't? We do a little big laminated sheet with both the both the RCW's on it. They sign it, we sign it, give them a copy, we keep a copy, and then all we do is we put a deal on their name if they're ever run on that property again, that yeah, we already talked to them. Got you. Right. And that owner has to be the one that makes the complaint. It can't be somebody else. Sure. Whatever. Yeah, the well, the reason I was bringing that up is because the administrative code actually doesn't compel identification on that warning. With the early warnings and misunderstandings now behind them, the audit came to a close in a calmer atmosphere, leaving a clear message about the balance between law, freedom, and responsibility [music] on both sides. In a civilized society, the line between authority and freedom must always be built on a foundation of mutual respect. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, [music] subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]