Sir, >> if you don't have any business here, we'd like you to move on. >> Can I get your name, please? This is a public building. I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not >> No, no. I just want to make sure. >> I I would have answered all your questions. You've been very rude and condescending, and you haven't identified yourself properly. >> When inexperienced police officers don't understand the law, baseless orders become tools of abuse of power. >> You don't want to ident you don't want to. >> You need to leave. >> No, I have I have business here. It's constitutionally protected business, sir. You don't >> you can't you can't be you can't be in a government building filming at all. >> Not at all. >> Not everyone who wears a uniform understands the limits of their authority. And when citizens rights are disregarded, society pays the price. An independent [music] journalist is filming inside a public building. But within moments, a series of questions begins to arise. And from this seemingly ordinary moment, an unbelievable chain of events starts to unfold. >> Hey sir, can I help you? Hi, how are you? Hi. Um, who are you? >> Uh, I'm from probation. Are you here for probation? >> You're from probation? >> Yeah. Can I get probation? >> Are you a probation officer? >> Yes. Yep. Yes, sir. >> Can I get your name? >> Uh, what what are you here for? Can I get yours first? >> No, that's not how it works. >> Okay. Call the deputies. Come up here. >> Yeah, that's that's not how it works. Wait right there. >> Are you a probation officer or a law enforcement officer to tell me to wait right here? Are you do you have business at the probation department right now? >> Are you a are you a law enforcement officer? >> Yes. Yeah, I'm a supervisor here. Yeah. >> Okay. But you you're in law enforcement officer? >> Yeah, probation. We're probation. Yeah. >> Probation meaning that you handle people that are on probation? I'm not on probation, sir. >> Oh, okay. Then so you don't have any business at probation or >> Yeah, I'm I I just I'm not on probation. I'm not on probation. So, >> you don't have any business here. I can help you, you know, get to where you need to go. >> Sir, I don't even You've been very, you know, rude and unprofessional. So, at this point, yeah, it's hard. We're at the probation department, so I just don't want you. >> What does that mean to me? >> Well, people are coming here that are on probation, so I just want to make sure I take care of you. >> Yeah, but you know, you weren't you were very >> There's no business here at probation now. Nobody wants who's recording us. And >> hey, how how you guys doing? >> So, >> can I get can I get your name, sir? >> If you don't have any business here, we'd like you to move on. >> Can I get your name, please? >> No, you can't. >> Okay. Can I get your names, please? >> Why are you here, sir? >> Can I get your names and badge numbers, please? We have county business. >> Can I get your names and badge numbers, please? >> Can I get your names and badge numbers, please? >> Why? >> Let's go. >> Can I get your names and badge numbers, please? >> What seemed like harmless questions slowly turned a lawful exercise of civil rights into a problem that needed to be controlled. And then the numbers showed up, but legal justification was nowhere to be found. What happens next? >> I have business to conduct here. >> What is it? >> I'm an independent journalist. I'm gathering content for a story. I'm exercising a freedom of press right. Can I get your name and badge number? No one seems to want to identify themselves. >> Well, we said from the sheriff. >> No, no identification. No identification. No identification. >> Identifying yourselves right now, sir. >> You're not I don't I need your name and badge number. >> Okay. Well, this is the probation department. We have no business here. >> I do have I do have business. This is a publicly accessible area. I have freedom of press. So, I do have business here. I'm working on a story on the probation department as well as the county building. Do you want to identify yourself? Last person, last >> authority. [music] >> Do you want to identify yourself, sir? >> Under whose authority are you here, sir? >> Under the authority of the United States Constitution. That's how I'm here. >> Did you provide your name? Yes, sir. >> Sir, none of you, all five of you here have not identified to me. And you guys are the law enforcement officers. I don't know if you are, but you guys are law enforcement off. I'm sure it's the the policy of your department to identify yourselves to members of the public. >> I'm identifying you. >> You're not. I have no idea who you are. Yes, a probation officer, but I need to be able to hold you accountable and you accountable and I need to know who you are. It's not that big of a deal. Can I speak to a supervisor? >> Well, I'm the supervisor. >> You're the I'm not on probation respectfully, sir. So, you're not I'm I'm talking about a sheriff supervisor. So, that way, you know, somebody would >> call >> who has a jurisdiction here. >> I'm sure you can understand that. It's just we have clients coming in and out of here and we just want to make sure we >> You refer to them as clients, huh? >> Their clients. >> Clientele. Yeah. Sure. Oh, okay. People are your clients. Um, this is a public building. I'm not doing anything illegal. I'm not >> No, no. I just want to make sure. >> I I would have answered all your questions. I would answer all your questions. I would answer all your questions, but >> make sure and I would talk and tell you all about >> No, but you're But you're not But you're not You've been very rude and condescending and you haven't identified yourself properly. >> Okay. >> You guys don't even have name tags on. Can I get Can I get your name, sir? Can I get your name? You guys are setting a real good example for the sheriff's department here by not identifying yourselves. It's really unprofessional. Truly is very good. >> It's ridiculous. >> We just want to make sure everyone's safe and clean. >> So, you want to you want to circle around me and not identify yourself? >> Just want to make sure you're safe, too. >> Command-like orders begin to appear even though no specific legal basis is ever cited. Demanding that a citizen leave a public area shows clear signs of systemic abuse of power. And when those orders are no longer convincing enough, numbers start speaking in place of the law. >> You don't want ident. >> No, I have I have business here. It's constitutionally protected business, sir. You don't control the public uh public hallway. I'm not in a restricted area. You don't control the public hallway. You don't. This is open to the public. This is a publicly funded building. There's no need for any of this. I'm not I'm not being disorderly. I'm not >> interrupting business. >> So being disorderly. So no, you don't have a right to know who I am. First of all, you're just a probation officer. >> So you 100% does don't have the right to know who I am. And not even the law enforcement officers here have a right to know who I am unless they have reasonable, articulable suspicion I've committed a crime, which I have not. I've not committing any crimes. I'm engaging in a constitutionally protected activity, which all of you took an oath to uphold the United States Constitution. And none of you are being any sort of professional in identifying yourself. How am I supposed to file complaints on all of you if I don't know who you are? I guess that's why you're not identifying yourself to me. Correct. >> So, when you came through the front door and you explained to the deputies why you were here, >> do I need to explain to people why I'm here? No. Why do I need to exp This is a a public building, sir. Not I I was downstairs and I went through a metal detector. So, obviously, you know, I don't have any weapons on me, right? I went through a metal detector. Come on. Come on. >> There weapons that aren't metal. My question to you is >> other weapons that aren't medical. >> Yeah. No, because nobody else does, sir. Nobody else tells the deputy why they're here. They just access the public building like they're supposed to. >> All right. Forgive me, but they generally ask where are you headed today? Why are you in this building today? >> They He did not ask me that. Did not ask anybody else that. So, I don't know where you're getting this information from. >> So, you're just wandering the halls. >> I'm recording, documenting publicly accessible areas. I didn't go into any restricted areas. >> For what? >> I'm an independent journalist. That means I work for myself. Correct, sir. That means I work for myself. exercising a constitutionally protected right, which is freedom of press. >> The auditor is surrounded by multiple authorities while coercive demands grow increasingly explicit, yet still lack any concrete legal basis. And when silence can no longer conceal the truth, a key figure finally appears, changing the entire dynamic. >> How you doing, sir? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Can I get your name and badge number, please? >> Yeah, I'm Scott Sher from County Sheriff 820. >> Okay. Hi. Um, are you supervisor? >> I'm the sheriff. You're the sheriff. Nice to meet you, Sheriff. Nice to meet you. Hi. Um I I just All I'm doing is exercising a constitutional protective right, taking some pictures and video. And yeah, but >> I'm surrounded by 1, two, three, four, five, six law enforcement officers. Seven, including yourself, Sheriff. And they're trying [music] to intimidate me, demanding ID, saying that. And then when I asked for their names and badge numbers so I know who I'm dealing with, how you were so professional, sheriff, and you provided that to me. They would not. They would not provide any ID, any type of um identifying information as their badge number or their name. >> Did you ever write to video? Okay. >> Yeah. And is it your policy as the sheriff? You should know. Is it your policy to identify yourself to the to to people to the people you come in contact with? >> I just did, right? >> I'm talking about your your deputies. >> Not all of these are my deputies. >> Not all of them are your deputies? >> No. >> So, but your deputies are here, correct? >> Some of my deputies are here >> and none of them identified themselves to me. >> Okay. So, did you ask for their identification? >> Multiple times, sir. So, >> and they just stood there looking at me. >> I gave you my credentials. So, now I can ask you, do you have a legitimate purpose in the building other than just walking around videoing? >> Yeah. My my purpose is I'm working on a story. And like I explained to all your other deputies, I'm an independent journalist. I'm just in the publicly accessible areas of the building. >> We want to do an interview sometime. >> I would I would love to do an interview with you, especially if I think you you need to work on the professionalism of your deputies here because they just came here. You got to go. You got to leave right now trying to kick me out. violate my constitutional rights. And then when I try and hold them accountable by finding out their name and badge number, they don't want to give it to me. None of them wanted to give it to me. None of them. They just stand there. The sheriff arrives and immediately deescalates the situation, revealing that the earlier acts of surrounding and pressuring the citizen had no clear legal basis while exposing the stark contrast between professional use of authority and the irresponsible conduct of subordinates. Citizens may sue police under section 1,983 when their rights are violated, and offending officers may be held liable for damages and face discipline or termination. Up next, just seconds after turning on the camera, the person is told he is not allowed to film here. Yet, not a single law is mentioned. There goes our friendly reminder that they're always recording us even though they always have an issue with us recording them. Passport department over here. >> Excuse me, sir. >> Business licenses services. >> Can't be recording here. >> Excuse me. >> Can't record in here. So, don't record. >> Why? Why can't I record in here? You >> can't. >> But why why would that be? >> First, take the camera off of me cuz you can't record in here. Correct. Why would that be? >> Hi. >> Hey. How are you? >> Can I help you? >> Um, no. I'm just taking some pictures and video. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. And so, >> who are you? >> My name is Brenda Win. I'm the Davidson County. >> Oh, hi. >> And I was just trying to figure out who you are. >> Oh, no. I'm My name is Sean. I'm an independent journalist. >> Okay. >> Just taking some pictures and videos. >> Independent journalist. journalist >> with >> independent meaning that I work for >> unfortunately I think sometimes now you're not not with the sovereign citizens or anything like that right >> I have no idea what that is >> okay well then I don't know that um come on let's go outside for a minute let's go talk >> yeah we could talk >> I don't know I don't know if I can can let you videotape people if they don't know they're being taped >> what what does that mean that you have cameras respectfully Brenda that you have cramp cameras all over the building that you're taping everybody right >> well I got cameras for our security. >> Yeah. So, okay. So, this is for my security. How about that? Right. >> Uh, well, I'll let her be your security. >> Okay. I'll let her be. >> I'm I'm a lot bigger there. I don't think that she can protect me. >> You have to be not with the sovereign citizen. >> And >> I don't know what what [music] what is a sovereign citizen? >> What is that? >> Take a little walk with Brenda over here. >> Why not? Do you live here? They typically typically how struggle do is they call me and tell me where they come in and they ask me if it's okay for them to come take >> Oh yeah. No, I I don't do that. >> No, only because only because we have freedom of press in this country. That's why. >> Okay. And again, typically >> I don't need your permission. That's >> typically how it's done >> is that I'm somebody calls me and says you want to come over and we want to report. The conflict begins to clearly take shape when security and government representatives apply unwritten rules in place of the law. And when those so-called internal policies are no longer convincing, the approach starts to change. >> Um, I'm >> What's going on, sir? >> Hey, sir. How are you? >> Good. What's going on? >> Uh, do you mind if I get your name and badge number? >> I don't have a badge number. My name is Captain Tilka. I'm the supervisor here on site. How can I help you? >> Um, I really don't need any help. [music] I'm just taking some pictures and video. >> Sure. So, actually, you can't be inside a government building filming at all. >> You can't you can't be uh you can't be in a government building filming at all? >> Not at all. No, sir. You know, anywhere outside the building in the parking lot is perfectly acceptable. >> Yeah. >> Inside the government government building, not at all. >> Oh, okay. So, I I [music] just don't understand why would that be. This is a public building, right? >> We should just suspend that to be >> No, but I'm saying is [music] this outside? >> No, I'm just asking the C. Is this a public building? >> No, it's not. >> I'm his boss, right? >> Step outside. >> Okay. I'm I'm just asking you. Is this a public building? >> No, sir. It's a government building. >> What would be the difference between government and public? >> Anything you want it to be, sir. We've already explained to you a couple times. >> That's not the case, though. This is a public building. This is open to the public. >> Well, I'd be happy to debate you outside. >> This is open to the public, sir. This is a This is open to the public. >> If I were you were you asked to leave the building? >> No, no one's asked me to leave the building. Somebody with authority would have to ask me to leave the building, which would be a public official >> who you just spoke to, which was Miss W, who walked out here with the lady in >> she did and she did not. She said she was going to contact legal. >> Okay, >> which is probably the smartest move because unlawfully trespassing somebody from a public building. >> Well, first of all, if we're going to go into legal speak, let's use proper legal speak. Unlawful trespassing, trespassing in itself is unlawful. Correct. Trespassing means you're somewhere you're not supposed to be. So to unlawfully trespass you is not what's happening nor is that something that's possible. >> Well, yeah, it's it's 100% unconstitutionally. There you go. Uncon Unconstitutionally trespassing. >> What is it? What is the definition of trespass? >> To remove somebody from a building. >> Incorrect, sir. Trespassing is to be on a site without permission. >> Yeah. Without permission. Correct. >> Right. Right. >> Correct. Someone ask you to step outside. >> Okay. Well, I would ask I don't know what authority. Are you Are you Are you law enforcement here? >> We are security for the building. >> You're security guards. Correct. Contracted security imposes authority they do not have, presents flawed legal arguments and demands that a citizen leave without justification. While the journalist clearly asserts constitutional rights and the limited role of security and when legal concepts are turned upside down, the dialogue takes a more dangerous turn. >> I'm not being a disturbance. I'm not I am not I am not I am Yes, she asked me. There's a difference between asking somebody, if you want to get into legal talk, like you just said, >> there's a difference between asking somebody to leave the building and ordering them to leave the building. Asking me, I can politely decline, respectfully decline. If you're ordering me to leave a building by threat of arrest from a law enforcement officer, not a security officer. Your job as a security officer is to observe and report. That's your job. Observe and report. >> And she's [music] our client. She has to be outside. >> Yeah, but she's asking But she's asking me something. She's asking me something that would violate my [music] constitutional right. Have a right to be >> not detect people who are opening my doors. >> But there's c that the there's a camera right behind you. [music] Right above your head there's a camera. So I understand this. So what why would the government have more rights to record me than the citizen? We have freedom of press in this country. I've explained to you that I'm a journalist. >> I ask you to step outside. >> I I've explained to you >> step outside. >> Okay. So but you're not ordering me to. If if she orders me to leave the building, that would be I would be break I would be breaking the law by not leaving the building, but also [music] it would be a violation of my constitutional rights, which you would be a party to. >> Everything you're saying. >> No, but you're not to follow. >> But you're not. But I'm I'm trying to explain to you that that this is unconstitutional. I have freedom of press. I'm a journalist. I'm just gathering content for a story. >> There is no such thing as journalist credential, sir. There who what agency would what agency would create? >> There's there's nobody in the press issued a press pass. >> Who are they issued it by? people they work for. So, >> oh, okay. I work for myself. >> So, you're not a journalist. You're >> filming. Because you're because you're an independent journalist doesn't mean you're not a journalist. In the Constitution, it doesn't say you have freedom of press only if [music] you work for MSNBC and CNN. It says that you have the freedom of press. And I'm just peacefully not raising my voice. I'm not using language. I'm not interrupting business. I'm not >> I'm not blocking anybody from conducting. At this point, contracted security asserts authority they do not have, while the journalist counters with legal arguments, exposing the difference between legitimate authority and inflated power. After a series of endless debates, a different voice finally emerges and changes the entire story. >> Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I just talked to legal and they said typically you need a film permit to to film and we can help you get a film permit. >> But I have a different eye on what we're going to do. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. For commercial purposes you would need a you would need a permit. But for journalist purposes as far as news gathering that's when you don't need a permit and I'm sure that's what they know. >> But it's news gathering. >> Okay. >> If you want to help me do an open records request it it'll help me get out of here quicker. >> So what's your open record? I wanted to get the first uh last name uh salary and the titles of all county employees for my story that [music] I'm working on. >> Okay. See, that's something you can find online. >> You can Oh, you can get all the You can get all that information. >> That information is online. That that uh the salary salaries are online. >> Okay. Some some cities that some counties and cities. >> It's not through the county clerk's office. You would get that. I And I know that in some places you would, but our office >> it varies state to state. >> See, our office only has responsibility for motor vehicle registration renewals. We issue notary commissions. We issue marriage licenses. We issue business licenses and we process passport. >> We don't have a whole lot to do with county records maintenance because metro met this is a metropolitan form of government and we have a metrop that's your county records request would go to the Metropolitan Clerk's office. So, let me direct you there. >> But but I am within my rights to record it in a public building. [music] Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure of that. >> But I was told that that I just need we need to stay with it. >> Sure. You guys can hang out. >> Okay. We can talk, >> right? >> That's great. >> Anyway, you guys learned something today. Isn't that good? >> It's good for everybody. Good education. >> All right, sir. We're going to stick you out with Sergeant Jagger. >> He'll make sure you stay in places you're allowed to be. >> Oh, great. Isn't that great? Everywhere that's public. >> Everywhere that's public. >> Sergeant Jerger. >> What's going on, brother? How you doing today? >> Hey, how you doing? to that. >> You have a great day. Now you can take care. >> When a legally knowledgeable officer appears, the entire approach changes. [music] Dialogue is restored and the right to film in public areas is acknowledged. The initial conflict did not arise from any threat or violation, but from ignorance and misuse of authority by contracted security, demonstrating that when [music] power is exercised properly, tension immediately disappears. Society is only safe when [music] those who exercise power clearly understand its limits and when citizens are respected as holders of rights, not as subjects to be controlled. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, [music] and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]