You need to be quiet for just a second. >> I am not going to be quiet. I don't have to understand what the word detained means. >> Yes, I do. >> Detained means you're not free to leave. >> You do anything that's like alarming. >> Oh, man. >> I I know everything that I can do, man. I'm I'm very peaceful and polite. >> You can be taken to jail for it just >> they think they are above the law. Until a citizen speaks up and defends their rights according to the law. >> You're not being detained for a crime. >> Then I I should be free to go. >> Reasonable suspicion. What is your What is your rat? >> I can be taken to jail for it. >> Oh, I'm not disoriented. Dad, you know, you can be taken to jail for beating your wife, too. >> When rookie police officers encounter citizens who understand the law better than they do, the consequences can come immediately. Just because of a camera and a few photos taken from a public road. A state police vehicle suddenly appeared. But what surprised everyone wasn't the stop. It was the way the officer began handling the situation. What's going on, brother? >> Nothing. Just taking pictures. >> Taking pictures of what? >> Whatever I can see. >> Okay. Well, you're not allowed to be in the parking lot of the dormatory taking pictures. >> I wasn't in the parking lot. >> Okay. You cannot be taking pictures. >> I wasn't in the parking lot. >> Okay, sir. >> I was on the roadway. This is a public easement, right? Utility poles. >> Still, it is policy. You are not take pictures. >> I don't care about your policy. >> You don't care about policy. >> I don't care about their policy. I'm not behind those walls. >> Okay. Do you want to end up behind the walls? >> I don't think I will >> because it there are there are things in place that you cannot be doing. >> Be careful. >> I am being careful. >> Okay. >> You need to also >> You said policy. That is not law. >> Okay. >> Law says I can. >> Okay. But what's your purpose for doing so? >> Whatever I want it for. >> Whatever you want it for. Y. >> Okay. Well, that's the problem. See, it's suspicious activity. All right. That's why we're here talking. >> Let me ask you a question. >> Yeah. >> It's suspicion. reasonable suspicion of a of criminal activity of foot is a reason for us to be out here talking. >> Is suspicion a misdemeanor or something? >> It's neither. But it has the right to be here and asking questions. >> You can ask all you want. >> It's an investigation and if you don't if you're not going to cooperate, >> I don't have to cooperate with your investigation. >> I'm not lawfully and none under no obligation to cooperate with you. >> None. >> Okay. I'm just going to tell it to you this way. >> Am I being detained? Am I being detained >> technically? Right now, you are being detained. >> For what? For what? What crime? >> Okay. >> What crime? >> This is this is the issue. Okay. >> What? You tell me what crime and I will tell you. >> You need to be quiet for just a second. >> I am not going to be quiet. I don't have to understand what the word detained means. >> Yes, I do. >> Detained means you are not free to leave. You are not free to leave. >> For what crime? For what crime? >> You're not being detained for a crime. >> Then I I should be free to go. >> Reasonable suspicion. >> What is your What is your What is your rad? >> Okay. >> What is your What is your rad that a criminal activity is in foot? You are taking pictures and videoing a >> Is that illegal? Is that illegal? >> Do you guys Do you guys arrest the Google car that comes down through here and takes pictures of all this? >> There's not a Google. >> The cameraman repeatedly asked a simple question. What crime have I committed? But instead of giving a clear accusation, the state trooper kept insisting that it was suspicious activity. And when the cameraman began talking about the First Amendment and citizens rights, the situation quickly escalated into a much more tense confrontation. >> That's what you think? Then you're going to be famous. Am I free to go? Am I free to go? >> You're not free to go yet. >> Why not? >> Because >> because your butt hurt. Your ego won't let me continue about my way. >> It's got nothing to do with my ego, sir. >> Then why? I'm >> I am here because >> this is legally constitutionally protected activity. First Amendment. I'm a journalist gathering content for a story on the prison on that prison and the juvenile center. Do >> you have any identification show? >> I don't have to show you. I don't have to show you. >> If I ask you for ID, you do have to. >> No, you do. No, I do not. >> Yes, you do. >> Not unless I'm legally >> here to identify is a crime. >> If I'm legally arrested, >> you don't have to be committing a crime. >> If I am here, >> if I'm legally in the state of Indiana, >> I have no weapons. I have a pocketk knife. That's it. Okay. >> And that's all I have. >> I am legally here as well. Okay. Because I am legally here. If I tell you why >> don't you step it down a little bit and stop yelling. Okay. >> Well, if you'd stop talking over me, I'm going to be yelling. >> I don't have to listen to you. Do you understand what I'm saying? >> Listen to me. >> I'm going to be free to go on my way. How am I going to Why not? >> Because we're not done with this message. >> Unless you can tell me that I had broken the law for you to stop me, I'm going to leave. >> You are not free to leave. You're going to stand by and tell there's other people here. >> What other people? >> There's other guys on >> For what? >> Because >> cuz you're a you're an egoomaniac. You're a puss with ego. Okay. >> You're a puss. You got to call your investigation. You got to call your little >> why you're here in the first place. >> I don't have to help you with that. I do not have to cooperate with you at all. One bit. And you know you're wrong cuz you're shaking your head. You know I'm right. >> I'm not wrong. >> You are wrong. And you're going to find Where's your supervisor? >> He's on his way. Okay. Okay. You'll be more than welcome to talk to him. >> Your sergeant, Lieutenant. >> He's on his way. You're more than welcome to talk to him. >> That's fine. I'd like to be on my way cuz I I haven't broken any laws. That's a camera, by the way. >> I I'm clear on what that is. >> Okay, good. So, is this >> I'm plenty aware. >> I have another one in my backpack. >> I have another one here that's rolling as well. >> By this point, the argument had become tense. The cameraman insisted that his actions were protected by the Constitution, while the officer continued to claim the activity was suspicious. But just a few minutes later, another person arrived and everything began to change. >> Detained. Lawfully. >> You are being detained until this investigation is >> lawfully detained. >> Yes. >> What is your raz that I am suspicious? >> The fact that you're videoing the prison. >> It is constitutionally protected activity for journalists, for citizens. >> Then you need to provide identity. >> I don't have to provide you anything, sir. >> No, I don't. >> That's why I'm having to raise my voice. Because you won't stop trying to talk. >> Because you're being dumb. No, you're being dumb. >> If you are, your ego will not let you walk away. >> The reason if you think that the reason you're allowed to be videoing the prison is because you are a journalist. >> I am a citizen journalist. >> Provide some sort of proof that you are a journalist, >> sir. No, I Who issues credentials >> who issues credial? >> Every single news media outlet issues credentials. >> Corporate media, >> CNN, Fox News, >> journalists trying to do a story on the >> I'm gathering content on the story. >> Okay, that's all I'm doing. What? How long? >> About 3 years. >> Can you I'm doing a story on the prison, gathering content, b-roll footage. I haven't gone onto their property up in the gates. I don't know why they told you I was in their parking lot. I've always been on the roadway. I'm riding my bike. I've been spotting trains. >> Other people have been riding their bikes up and down through here. Nobody said anything. Only because I have a camera. >> Right. Right. >> That's it. >> But you do understand though, they're just being cautious. That's all. >> And that's fine. You can come out and ask me all you want, but I need him educated that this is constitutionally protected activity. >> It's not It cannot be deemed a criminal act or suspicious. He can come out and ask all the questions he wants. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Because it's >> I'm not committing a crime. >> Let me ask you a quick question. If somebody comes to your house and says, "That's my house." >> But they stand on the sidewalk, which is public property. Absolutely. >> And they sit there and they're videoing your house. You you wouldn't think that's suspicious? >> Nope. Because they're on a public sidewalk and actually a public sidewalk runs across my front yard >> and people stand out there and walk up with cigarettes and everything like >> I can completely understand what you're saying. >> We're just trying to make sure nothing else is going on. >> That's fine. Absolutely. >> After hearing the cameraman's explanation, the atmosphere seemed to calm down a bit, but the issue still wasn't resolved because the big question now was who actually owns this road? And just moments later, the debate shifted to property boundaries and the public's right of access. >> Told them to basically kick rocks. >> Were you like on the on this road? >> I was between the parking lot and their entrance. >> Okay. >> Where that stop sign I was right next to that stop sign. The second time I stopped, I was right in front of the uh the entrance way across from there. >> But I was still on the road. I wasn't behind those that barrier. Well, overall, are you done filming or are you like >> Well, down here, I got to come back this way, but I'm going to move on down that way cuz there's what, two more facilities down there, right? Gotcha. Okay. All right. Well, like I said, as long as you're not on the property, like I said, if you can stay out, >> but sir, that's your policy. That's not law. out to, you know, escape things or set up people for >> You have three separate sir, you I've done security. You have three separate lines of security back there. >> Doesn't take absolutely not. >> But I'm on the You cannot trespass my eyes. >> What's considered you guys' property? Is it this role too? >> Cuz I'm not familiar with No. Look at the GIS survey. Look at the GIS survey. your property >> locked in at our facility and anything that's taped on that, >> you know, what's to say that they're not setting up an escape? >> I can understand that. >> And I can understand that to get somebody out. >> It's for our safety, >> right? And I I understand that. >> Um I just know what consider you guys. >> Sir, let me let me ask you a question. Did you guys put these power poles here? >> Sorry. >> Did you put these power poles here? >> I have no idea. Did you put the power here? >> Come on. Come on. Who who who put the power poles here? >> The state. The state. The power company. So there has to be an easement for public to walk down through here or ride a bike down. There's a sign down there that says share the road with bikes. >> Sure. >> Is a whole lot different than taking >> No, it's not because because people have video GoPros on their head. I saw three of them on bikes go down through here. They all had GoPros on their head. What? >> As the debate over property boundaries became clearer, the cameraman began presenting arguments that made the officers reconsider their position. But instead of ending there, the conversation soon shifted to an even more sensitive issue. >> I have seen the public ride up and down through here on their bikes and cars. >> Okay. But you said you were at the stop sign up there. That's definitely into their property. >> No, it's not. That is a That has to be a public easement. There has to be a public easement to get through. How do you how do visitors get back down through here? It's publicly accessible, right? >> But when a visitor comes >> Okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> They provide identification. >> That's if they go inside. >> Okay. But who who are the >> So, you're telling me I have to give you my identification. Is that what you're telling me? >> When I asked you for ID, >> you didn't ask me. >> I did ask you. >> No, you didn't. >> Yes, I did. >> You said your video is proof of your own. >> You said if I ask you for ID, if I ask you, I identify yourself. You have to tell me and that's wrong as well. I only have to tell you who I am when I'm legally arrested. Legally arrested, not unlawfully. Nor am I unlawfully detained. Do I have to show you ID? This is not a stop and ID state. >> Suspicion of criminal activity. >> Tell me what your reasonable suspicion is. >> Reasonable suspicion. >> Wrong. Wrong. Okay. us because it's the reason we are here. You understand that? That's what you're not understanding. The reason I am even here >> is because we were called it >> because you are on their property building their facility. I'm not on their property. Their policy on a roadway. >> Their policy is not law trooper. >> You are a trooper, right? >> I am a let you finish. Now you let me >> I don't have to know everything. I'm That's fine. I know the law. just be done talking because we're waiting for the boss. >> And that's fine. >> As soon as that happens, if if this is a fact, >> do I get an apology for you? >> No. >> Why not? >> I need to apologize to you >> for telling me that I am a criminal. You're telling me I'm a criminal? >> No. I never said once you were. >> You just said filming was a crim criminal act. >> If you were on their property, >> dig yourself deeper. It's still not a criminal act. It's still not a criminal act. Would you be Would you swallow your pride and your ego if I'm right? and apologize. >> I'm just saying >> and I just all I ask is all I ask is for an apology. >> Although no one was arrested, this confrontation raised many questions about the right to film in public and the limits of police authority. Sometimes a single camera is enough to test how the law is actually enforced. Up next, a man was simply standing on a public sidewalk filming a bank building that was more than 100 years old. But when a few harmless questions started making the bank employees nervous, no one expected that just minutes later the police would arrive at the scene. >> Hello. How are you? >> Oh, hey. How you doing? >> Doing fine. Taking some pictures, >> actually. Video. >> Video. Okay. >> Yeah. Is it okay? >> What's your video for? >> Just a positive video. >> Positive? >> Yeah. like uh for social media or >> No, just shooting a positive video. I'm an independent journalist. I I I do stories. >> Oh, you do? Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> How long has this building been around? >> Uh I believe 1917. >> You said 17 or 7D? >> 1917. >> Wow. That that's >> Yeah. Over 100 years. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's got some >> Is there anything good you like to say about your establishment? >> Oh, there's a lot of good things we could say. >> Just one. We're a community bank. We're here to serve the community. >> Okay. >> Yep. Yep. >> All right. So, >> yeah. I'm not going to be out here long. Maybe just like a couple hours or so, you know, just taking footage. And I I don't have any intention of going like in or on you guys' property. >> Oh, that's okay. We were just just curious. >> Yeah. I'm just shooting just shooting a video. Uh with you guys being so old, do you guys still use like die packs? Um, kind of I guess. What's What's your question about Dad? >> Just do you guys still use them? >> Um, I'm not going to say I guess >> I'm not going to say really talk about our like our security measures. It's considered security. So, >> okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> What about you guys' vault? Where is it located? >> Oh, I can't answer that. You even say where you guys' vault is located. >> We have we have multiple vaults. >> Just where where >> just where where's one of them located at? >> Well, we have multiple vaults in this building. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Where where's one of them located? Like the biggest one? >> I'm not going to start talking about that. >> Oh, you can't? >> No. >> Um >> would you would you be able to at least say like it climate controlled? >> No. You won't be able to say if the if the vault is climate control. Like, are the vents big enough to crawl through to do maintenance work? >> No, I'm not going to talk about any of our vaults or security measures. >> What seemed like harmless questions began to make the employees inside uncomfortable. And just a few minutes later, the police were called to the scene. But when they arrived, the situation quickly turned into a debate about the right to film in public. >> You say who? >> What you think of it? >> Of what? >> Bank. Uh, it looked like a very old building. >> Yeah. >> How old is this building? >> Pretty old. >> Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Is there >> anything we can do to help you? >> Uh, he he said he couldn't help me with none of the questions, though. >> But what what are we what are you doing? >> Well, I asked him. Well, first, do you mind if I ask you a personal question? >> Well, I'd rather >> Hey, hold on real quick. He can't hold Hold on real quick. Can I ask you one question? >> What's up? Hey, he supported. >> What are you doing out here? >> Huh? >> What are you doing out here? >> What are you saying? >> Just seeing you record. >> That's simple, man. Can we get your name and your badge number just so I know who I'm speaking with? >> Yeah, it's Aiden 413. >> 413. I appreciate that. >> Are you recording like a project or something? >> What do you mean? >> I'm just asking. You're just out here recording a bank and stuff. >> I was just out recording everything. >> The whole city of Ottawa. >> Yeah. >> Okay. People just get a little weirded out when they >> How you doing? >> Not too bad. How about yourself? >> Can I get your name and your badge number, please? >> What's up? >> Your name and badge number, please. >> 426. >> Can I get your name and your badge number just so I know who responded, please? >> I'm not talking to you. Just Okay. Why so rude, man? It's in your policy. >> Don't send them their property, man. >> I asked you just what's your name and your badge number, sir? >> Right there. >> How do you pronounce that, though? What's your badge number? It don't show your badge number. >> Badge number is 424. >> Appreciate you for being professional. Don't be a piece of [ __ ] man. >> Questions about identity, duties, and authority were quickly raised, making the atmosphere at the scene more tense. But what made things even more interesting was the officer's reaction. Just seconds later, an uncomfortable argument began to unfold. >> There it's on. Everybody cam footage is on, >> right? It's always one though. So, you know, there's always one. Where's you guys' police station from here? And can I walk there? >> It's not like how far do you say? >> Couple blocks. >> Just a couple blocks. That's not bad. Then what you got a chief's name? >> That's all public information. You just look it up. >> You would want to just tell me you make want to make me look it up. Wow. I love asking questions. I'm asking just these are all reasonable questions. What's your chief's name? He told me that's public information. It is. I figured they they at least want to, you know, give it. So, they called on me. He told He came out here and actually spoke to me and told me I'm okay to film. So, it just it's it's weird for me to see y'all coming around the corner because he feels some type of way about me recording, but he called more men with cameras. So, when I go to your police station and get his body cam footage, now I got inside they bang. Not very smart. They had nothing to do with this, but they want to call police. Yeah. Is those are are those level three vests y'all wearing? You don't know? Wow. They look like level three just on the just on the look. Y'all are gadget up. What is What is that? Not that next to it. >> No, next to it. What is that? >> Okay. And the TQ. Is that pepper spray? >> Huh? >> A tourniquet. >> Okay. >> All right, man. >> At this point, the exchange began to heat up as neither side was willing to back down. The cameraman kept asking questions while the officers seemed to still be assessing the situation. But just when it seemed like everything was about to end, an unexpected detail prevented the confrontation from ending so quickly. >> Weird. >> You said it's weird, >> huh? >> You said it's weird. >> Yeah. People usually think it's alarming whenever you're >> So So what did you tell them when you went in there? >> I asked them what was going on. That's usually what I do with this. >> Okay. But but what was your response after they told you? Did you did you let them know, hey, he has every right to be out there and do? You didn't say it's weird or suspicious or anything like that. >> That I can do as much I can and I have to go look up what's going on. What we can do in this scenario since you're on a city sidewalk. >> It's really nothing you can do. It would have been great. I mean, I'm going to get the body cam. I'm curious on what do police say in situations like this because this is the perfect time to actually I told >> to educate them. >> I told him who you were. We know what you what you guys do. >> Okay. That's all we look for if it's somebody because when I told him that I have every right to do what I'm doing, that don't mean nothing. But when you guys That's why we kind of like need you guys cuz when you say it's okay, what he's doing is constitutional and protected, that means something. >> Well, I'm not going to >> I'm not going to go on. So, as long as you know you do anything that's like alarming, >> man, I I know everything that I can do, man. I'm I'm very peaceful and polite. >> You can be taken to jail for it. I just know >> I can be taken to jail for it. >> Oh, I'm not disoriented. You know, you can be tooken to jail for beating your wife, too. >> Huh? >> You can be tooken to jail for beating your wife or your girlfriend or kicking your dog. Animal cur. >> You care if I get a name from >> Huh? I care if I get a name from you. >> You can just call me daddy. Yeah. You know, they they don't He ain't got time for this. This is an easy call. There's always one though. You know, they ride nice. This the new joint. This the new Tahoe. Hey, is this the 24? Is this the 24? He's telling him, "Let's get out of here." Is this the 24 Tahoe? Is this the 24 Tahoe? It is. That's a big boy. Look, they got them riding nice. Hopefully they on their best behavior if they run like this. This mud is nice. >> In the end, after all the tension and arguments, the situation gradually cooled down. The police left without taking any legal action. Citizens may sue the police under section 1983. 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