Well, what do you want to walk around and video? Yeah. Is that illegal or something? >> Come back over here. Hey, come back over here, man. The disturbance is because you don't have a written permission according to what he's saying. You have to have written permission from from the office in order to film here. A request that seems simple, show your ID. But when that request has no legal basis, it can quickly turn into an abuse of power. You got any ID on you? If you >> want to see your Let me see your ID. And you can be on your way. I just want to see if you Y'all said you were reporters over there. Or I'll do need your ID. I I don't have ID, I mean, like I said. >> first name? I'm I'm not giving anything. Trespassing warning doesn't have a statutory requirement ID. >> be trespassed When power is used improperly, it is often the police department itself that must face legal liability and pay compensation. Just minutes after the camera appeared, the questions started coming rapidly. Who are you? Where do you live? What are you doing here? But instead of answering the way everyone expected, the man gave responses that made the situation more uncomfortable with every passing second. Yeah, I'm fine. Can I talk to you for a second? What do you want to talk about? >> Well, we just had We just had somebody from the pipeline here. Call us. Okay. They're okay. Uh Just, you know, it's kind of unusual that sometimes that people come out and take photos. No problem with it, but just Yeah, it's illegal activity, I know. Uh uh you got a name or anything? Uh I go by Captain Awesome as my media credential name. Captain Awesome? Captain Awesome, yes, sir. >> live around here? Not in this area, no. Where do you live at? Well, that's not important. >> Okay. You don't live in Honey County, though. Uh it's not important where I live. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Have a good day. >> Talk to you later. Yep. No, it's a uh hoverboard. There you you go, sir. Have a good one. Thank you. You're very welcome. You have a great day. All right. Can I help you? I'm just looking for the, uh, FBI wanted poster. It's supposed [music] to be in a binder behind the counter. You don't have those? We haven't had those in years. Oh, it's in the poster operations manual that there's should You must have an outdated one, sir. Outdated? Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Yes, it is. Got the camera, sir. It's a hoverboard. Can't [music] have that in here. A hoverboard? That camera. That camera. Uh, looks like a camera, but it's actually a hoverboard. Yeah. >> Hello, how are you doing today? I'm good. I'm just going to book. Is that a book? Yes. This poster is right here. What I would have done, if you wanted to do a First Amendment on it, is come in and be like, "Hey, would you give us the right to to to video camera?" Why would we ask to give a right that we already have? Would would would you would you like be okay >> you Every time you walk outside your house, do you call the cops and ask for permission to conceal carry? to call the law before I have 300 people armed open carrying down the highway. No, but I do it because I support the thin blue line. I support law enforcement. Okay. So, you you support asking permission to ex- exercise your The argument seemed like it would end with a few questions about the man's identity and the camera. But, it didn't stop there. Just minutes later, when another officer arrived and the encounter became more serious, the situation began to escalate in a direction that no one in that initial conversation expected. Who you with? Excuse me? Who you with? Not with anybody. Y'all wasn't the two that just come from our building over there? Possibly. Well, you said you was with the media over there. Yeah. Why does it matter? Well, I'm just concerned why would would you want to walk around and video? Yeah. Is that illegal or something? Come back over here. Hey, come back over here, man. Shake? Say thanks. Sir? Are you detaining me? I'm talking to you. >> care. Talk to me and detain me. It's not consensual. You got any ID on you? If you >> want to see your Let me see your ID and you can be on your way. I just want to see if you Y'all said you were reporters over there. Yeah, I'm with the media. Well, let me see your your credential. I don't have to show any credentials unless I'm suspected of a crime. Well, right now we have something coming up and we are I'm asking you for your ID. Okay, do you suspect me of a crime? We are doing an investigation. Is it an investigation of of a crime? >> Yes. Show me your ID. I don't have ID on me. You don't have any ID on you? No. I'm not required to. 15-5-30. You want to play? That's fine. That's fine. You want to play? That's fine. That's the law. >> No. No. We have something we have concerns about. You're walking around videoing our administrative structures. Yeah, absolutely. And we have events coming up. I'm happy for you. Well. I'm I'm really happy for you. A lot of places have canceled their events. They haven't here. Oh, well, that's nice. >> That's why we That's why we're checking. Okay. Well, I mean if I'm if I'm doing something illegal, let me know and I'll I'll provide you with my ID. Okay, you're doing something illegal right now by photographing government buildings from the public sidewalk? No, you went up to our door. You went up to our building on our property. >> it's public property. You're absolutely 100% right. That's why I'm asking for your ID cuz you came in a government building videoing. Is that illegal? Yes. In our opinion, yes, because we have an investigation going on. Is that the two? Tension began to show as neither side was willing to back down. And just when the situation seemed like it was about to end, a new exchange between the officers raised even more questions. Show ID. I told him show your ID and you can be on your way. Show it and you can be on your way. 15-5-30 says unless you suspect us of committing a crime, have committed a crime, or about to commit a crime. That's the law. We're law enforcement here, right? You guys are law enforcement? Everybody's got a badge. Sheriff, sheriff, we're all law enforcement. What's your shirt say? Gray Audits, something. There's There's something on there. There's something on there. I thought it was going to be on the sleeve, but it's covered up. Why would you do that, man? At least give me like a a like or a follow on, you know, like YouTube or something. Streaming. Is he streaming? Are you streaming? Are you on Facebook Live? You're a lot cooler. Yeah. We could autograph your shirt and say, "These guys are so cool." You're talking to the craziest people. >> need like a a gold pen. I want like a calligraphy pen to do my signature. Yeah, you Yeah, you would have one with glitter in it, though. This guy. Area 51. Huh? This is Area 51. They think it's up in Arizona. Like 49 and a quarter. 360 is my lucky number. Yeah, 360. [laughter] After the tense exchange with the officers, the atmosphere seemed to calm down. But as the cameraman continued moving around the building, another encounter quickly unfolded. And this time, the situation took a completely different turn. City residents and city businesses only. Hey. Hey, how you doing, sir? You don't need to be in that office. That's not a public area. And he's in the middle of investigating a complaint involving juveniles and stuff. So, you should probably shut the door. >> was closed until you just pushed it open. I didn't push it open. He pulled it open. Okay. So, he's trying to see if you need something. So, you sticking a camera in there is not part of something that you need to be doing. Thank Okay. Well, we're going to ask you to leave at this time, okay? Duly noted. You know what policies are there? Just so you know, once you've been asked to leave, if you refuse to leave, then you are trespassing after notice. Excuse me? Once you've been asked to leave, Yes. if you refuse to leave, then you're trespassing after notice. Not on public property. That's on private property. You're correct. On private property, absolutely. You can't just go roll into the park and just tell people to leave the park and trespass them if they don't. >> Okay, do you have your ID on you? Nope, and I wouldn't give it to you if I did. Okay. Thank you, again. Right, but this is here because people walk up here. Sir? The sign here? Yes, sir. Law enforcement only? Uh-huh. The only logical reason that it could be up here is because the public walks around here and you're trying to direct them around front. And that's what I'm doing with you. I understand. I've already been around front. I'm just looking in the back now. Okay. But you don't have to go down around front. As I said, this is a pedestrian entrance. I'm not trying to come in. I'm staying out here where there's no restricted access signs or no no trespassing signs. So, if you want people to stay from back here, what you would have to do is you have to put restricted access, law enforcement personnel only. You guys have seen this. It seemed like everything had ended after the earlier tense moments. But when the camera turned toward the back area of the facility, another officer appeared and immediately began making new demands. signs. Do you have any business here, sir? I'm a journalist. My business is gathering content for stories. Right now, I'm in Montgomery. >> see your audit sheet. Yeah. That's what you did. Yeah. Yeah, so basically, I'm here just gathering content on a story. I just got in the town tonight, so I thought I'd swing by. I was actually driving through and I saw the department, so I thought I'd swing through and check it out. But yeah, that that that would restricted access, law enforcement only personnel signage if you don't want nobody like specifically right here where I'm standing. And also if you don't want people looking in >> Well, this is city property. So I I don't have to have restricted access to my property. Well, Well, right. Right. Well, just like the park is city property. Well, you can be trespassed on park property. Right. You can't just roll up in the car and just start going trespass, trespass, trespass, trespass. You got to have a reason, see, because it's public property like this and we all own it. Right. No. No, I know. And like I said, I I don't need a civilian entrance cuz I I don't want to come in. And I don't want to come in this door. So this being a civilian or an employee entrance has no bearing on what I'm doing right here outside of the door. I I don't want to come in is what I'm saying. So what I'm saying is is if if if if you don't want civilians walking back here because the the sidewalk goes all the way around the building. Right? Goes all the way around? Okay. So if you don't want civilians to come around the corner here, you got to have a restricted access law enforcement only personnel sign up. Okay. Well, look. Right, but legally you again, you can't just roll up and start trespassing somebody off city property. You have to have a reason. Disorderly conduct, loitering, disturbing the peace. The encounter ended without any legal action being taken. But the moments we just saw reveal a familiar pattern in civil rights audits. When a camera appears, everything suddenly seems to change. Up next, as soon as he stepped into the Winter Haven bus terminal, a man began filming everything around him. But, within just a few minutes, the camera caught the attention of security, and an unexpected argument about the right to film quickly began. Just going to be walking around. All right. Taking a look to see at the artwork here. Man smoking. What's all that? So. So. Do you have permission? Excuse me? Do you have permission to do this? Uh-huh. From the office? From what office? From the station office. No. Then you can't You can't film in here. Sure, I can. Uh no, you can't. Okay. Okay, he's saying we can't film in here. Which funny. >> permission. I got permission. It's called the First Amendment of the United States, brother. This this goes all the way down, different routes. Hop on. And it only runs from like 6:15 Oh, there's the police, too. 6:15 Monday through Friday, I think. The initial arguments about filming already seemed tense enough. However, when security continued insisting that the cameraman needed permission from the management office, the conversation quickly shifted from curiosity to confrontation. Okay, I need your name, man. My name? Uh plaintiff or sugar daddy, whichever you prefer. You're trying to get a hold of Donald Trump. He's golfing today. Sir, did you need us to wait for you? No, who did you get permission You got to have permission here before you can film. So, I need you to know who you have who gave you permission to film here. Well, this is a publicly accessible area. It's but you have to have permission to film in here. No, actually you don't. Yes, you do. Okay. Well, do you want to find out? Well, sir, if you don't if you don't leave, then I'm going to call the police. Well, you can call the police. >> Go ahead and call the police. This is the last time I came here and I let looked into it myself and I came back and tried to have a conversation with him and he just tried to override what We want to find out today what the deal is here. So, we're going to wait and see what his boss is saying and then if he wants to call the police, we can talk with them. I called the I called the same people he's calling trying to get the answer. After several minutes of arguing, the cameraman remained firm in his position. Meanwhile, security decided to call the police to handle the situation. And just minutes later, when law enforcement arrived on the scene, the story began to enter a completely different phase. You guys got your IDs on you? Nope. Okay. Well, the security is going to be trespassing y'all because of filming. Okay? >> illegal? For the security to trespass you, no. But you can film if you're on the sidewalk, that's completely legal. If they don't want you filming on the property as a security officer, they can technically trespass you off the property. Okay, even though this is publicly funded partially? Not if the security believes that you're causing a disturbance. Okay, just to clarify. >> trespassed from the the hospital. We trespass people from the hospital all the time because they cause a disturbance. If they believe you're causing a disturbance based on the filming alone? Okay, so >> you. >> So, the First Amendment doesn't apply on the property, that's what you're saying? Cuz the only thing different from me and this gentleman is >> officer calls us Right, I understand if he calls you, but what I'm asking you to clarify Which is what I'm doing. is that the only reason I would be trespassed per se over this gentleman over here is that I have a camera. Is that correct? Is that what we're saying? What the security is wanting is what I'm doing, okay? Okay. If you wanted him trespass, I would trespass I would trespass him the same way. Okay, so If he's specifically wanting you trespass as their security off as a security officer, I have to trespass you, okay? Because they're requesting it. For whatever reason it is, obviously their real the reason is y'all filming. Okay, so so the reason that I am being trespassed is my First Amendment right. Filming. That is not necessarily why you're being trespassed. >> He just said it was. He is telling us you're causing a disturbance based on you filming. Okay, could you ask him what's causing the disturbance? Is it me filming? I just want to make sure that the disturbance I'm causing is because I'm filming. >> Okay. The disturbance is because you don't have written permission according to what he's saying. You have to have written permission from from the office in order to film here. So, if I was Okay, so if I was to shut my camera off, I'd be totally fine. Well, now that they he wants you trespass, I have to trespass you. Okay, and he's the authorized representative of the company? Yes, he's a security officer that's posted here in order Well, that doesn't mean he's the authorized officer of the facility. It's got to be the owner or his authorized agent. Have we seen anything? The conversation between the police and the cameraman became increasingly complicated once the issue of trespassing was raised. But just as the situation seemed to be coming to an end, a new demand from the officers caused the tension to escalate once again. He's a branch of the owner. He's a extended hand of the owner like any other security guard Okay, does he have any contact information to this man? >> Yeah, I can >> I can get contact information for all y'all with Okay, I'll step out here. >> need your IDs. I I don't have IDs. >> need some kind of name and date of birth. That's all I need in order to trespass. Well, actually I've been trespassed like 50 times in the state of Florida. There's no statute that requires a name for the trespassing warning. So, if you'd like to speak with a supervisor, I'd suggest it. Okay. But, um but there's no requirement for a trespassing warning to give our names. I'm giving them [ __ ] I like how they protect people's feelings but they won't protect our rights. Well, just as long as I have it on video now that the reason that they're asking me to leave is me practicing my First Amendment rights. Whereas other people here, you see the gentleman standing behind them. Uh is not uh causing a disturbance because he's not filming. So. This will be a I got the phone number if y'all can call if y'all want to request the film here. Okay. I have a firearm on me. I don't want to help me. 9 mm semi-automatic pistol. Did he give you his name by chance? By any any chance? >> There will be a a civil >> name from him. Okay. He is Barrios. Barrios. Will. Don't want to talk I mean Okay. Okay, so just Well, just that's fine. I'll get his name from his boss cuz I'll file a civil suit on this. >> Okay, you can do that all all day long. Just let me write this little bit for you. It's kind of smudgy with this pen. I'll be on the phone with bosses when we leave. They're off of it. They said Lakeland. Okay, Lakeland? Yeah. With the trespass argument still unresolved, the focus quickly shifted to another issue. The cameraman's identity. And when the officers began demanding personal information, the atmosphere inside the terminal immediately became more tense. Excuse me. Okay. Security wants them to have a permit. I don't have to give you my information. I I don't have ID, I mean like I said. >> name? I'm not giving anything. Trespassing warning doesn't have a statutory requirement to ID. >> be trespassed, I need identification. >> I'm not going to give it to you, so let's move to the next step. If you're on their property and you were filming on their property, And they want you trespassed, you need to give identification. >> yourself, sir. For a trespassing warning? >> Yes. What statute number is that? It's a Florida statute. We need your information. We can We can play this game I can look up the statute right now and I can show it to you. Okay, I've already looked. Like I said, I've been trespassed 50 times in the state of Florida, okay? Every week I get trespassed. There is no statutory requirement for me to give you any information for a trespassing warning. That's just the bottom line, guys. Only statutory requirement in the state of Florida to give ID is if you suspect me of committing a crime, about to commit a crime, or I have committed a crime. Trespassing warning is not a crime. Now, if you were arresting me for trespassing, then I would be required to give my ID. But in order to trespass, you need to identify yourself. Well, they usually do it with a case number. A photograph is usually how they do it. >> Yeah, we're in New Haven. This is New Haven police. And I'm playing around, let you know. All right. So, you've been trespassed from 50 other places? >> Oh, yeah. And not once did they identify you? Nope. Huh? I'll need your IDs. I just spoke to my my supervision. Okay, I don't have ID on me. >> Okay, I need something to identify you with. A first and last name and a date of birth. That's all I need. Okay, or what? Well, we can arrest you for resisting. I just called my sergeant. You can You can arrest me for resisting? I can call in my supervision. Okay? We're going to arrest you for trespass after warning cuz you're denying a trespass. In the end, after many minutes of tense arguments, the cameraman was faced with a difficult choice. Confronted with the risk of being arrested, he was forced to make a decision. But, this story [music] may not truly be over because what just happened could continue in a legal battle afterward. Citizens may file a lawsuit against [music] police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate [music] those rights could face financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. A civilized society is built not only on laws, but also on mutual respect. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]