Okay. You don't allow filming in there. I don't >> allow filming, period. Why are you filming, sir? >> I'm just taking It's a new facility. I'm just getting pictures. You just said I hadn't broken any law. So, I mean, I don't really want to identify myself. >> Suspicious vehicle. A suspicious person standing out here taking pictures of a plant, nuclear plant, and I'm asking you to see your ID. >> No charges were ever stated yet. They still demanded ID. That was a procedural violation from the start. >> Am I being detained? Am I under arrest? What's >> your name? >> For Shears and Roger. >> What's your name, sir? >> What crime do you think I've committed? >> Sir, I'm asking you again. What's your name? >> Just one show me your ID with no legal basis is enough to turn a routine shift into a media firestorm. Just one lift of a camera and everything goes off track. A man standing on a public street is treated like he just did the most forbidden thing in that place. Sir, >> put the camera down. Put the camera down, please, sir. >> I'm sorry. >> I couldn't hear you. What' you say? >> What are you filming, sir? >> The building. >> Okay. On what grounds? >> On what grounds? >> Yes, sir. >> I don't understand your question. I don't understand your question. >> That's a secure facility. Smashing security facility. We [music] don't allow filming. >> Okay. You don't allow filming in there. >> Allow filming period. Why [laughter] you filming for, >> Sergeant Rogers? >> Yes. Why are you filming for? >> You're You're going to stand here and tell me I can't take pictures of that building. >> Why are you filming, sir? >> I'm just taking It's a new facility. I'm just getting pictures. >> It's actually about 8 years old. >> I've never seen it before. >> Okay. Where you from? >> I'm not from here. >> Where you from? >> I'm from out of town. >> Can I see your [music] driver's license? >> Uh, I'd rather not give it if I done something wrong. >> Need to see your driver's license. >> Well, I'm not driving, so I don't carry a driver's license. >> See your ID? Don't have an ID on me either. >> Okay. So, you're failing to give me an ID. >> Uh, am I being detained? Am I under arrest? What's >> What's your name? >> For sure. And >> what's your name, sir? >> Am I under arrest? Am I being detained? >> I'm asking questions. You're being detained. >> I'm being detained. Okay. What What crime do you think I'm committed? >> Sir, I'm asking you again. What is your name? >> I don't [music] wish to give it. >> You don't wish to give it? >> No, sir. You know, in the state of Texas, if an officer asked you why you're being detained for your information, it's against the law not to provide them with information. You know that, right? >> Really? >> Yes, sir. It's called failure to ID. >> Yes, sir. But, uh, it's a secondary charge and 382 is the penal code for that. And it says that I have to be lawfully arrested before I have to identify myself. Doesn't say anything about being detained. Only says I can't give you false information if I'm detained. >> What's your name? >> I don't wish to give it. >> Okay. Why are you filming in the facility? >> I've explained that to you. I've never seen it before. >> You see a camera? >> Uh, I'd rather not give it to you. >> From a simple act of taking photos, things quickly escalated into a tense interrogation and power struggle police demanding his identity while the man kept firing back. What crime have I committed? And right here, the line that made everything blow up was said, "If you don't want people taking pictures, then build a wall." >> That's I'm just This is a public street. I'm walking down the street taking a picture to >> the jail. That's it. >> Well, you mean you gota secure facility. We gota we got to check and see what's going on. >> A secure facility in there. >> Yeah, but >> it's not out here. >> Come out here and check and see what's going on. >> We got to make sure the outside of >> Okay. So, over there in that parking lot, >> we do several checks throughout the day. >> Okay. Well, and I understand that. still on. >> That's fine. But >> okay, >> like I said, you don't have any cause to detain you. Certainly don't have any cause to identify me. >> Yeah, >> sir. What are you filming? Just because it's new to you? Is that why you're filming it? >> I I'm sorry. I don't understand your question. >> Why are you filming the facility? Just cuz it's new to you? >> Never seen it before. >> Okay. And you're not from around here? >> Where are you from? Give me that. There there's nothing to give you. I'm from someplace else. >> Okay. Where's your vehicle at? >> I didn't say I drove here. I told you I don't have a license on me cuz I'm not driving. >> Okay. >> Okay. You heard that, right? What part of the facility have you filmed? Just the front. >> Well, I think it's private property if I go Well, it's county property, but still I would >> county property. 550 acres of it. >> Yeah. So, I mean, if I went up over there or something, I'd probably >> county property. >> Exactly. So, out here, it's public property. I can stand on public property and photograph anything I can see. If you don't want me to take pictures of it, build a wall around it. >> Really? I'm calling LPD to get you out here. >> Okay. He was standing on a public street, only photographing what could be seen from the outside. Yet, the more he tried to explain, the more the situation escalated. Just when it seemed like it was over, the man started asserting his rights, citing laws and legal precedents while the police prepared to make a move no one saw coming. I don't want to go photograph people, you know, in that kind of situation. But, you know, facility like this, yes, I take pictures of jails and uh police departments and sheriff's departments and courouses and, you know, just historic stuff. Sometimes it varies, but just whatever. I I wouldn't see why you would >> just got to come out here and see what's going on. >> I I got that, you know, but to detain me and demand identification and now he's calling uh uh the local PD to come and >> harass me or arrest me or whatever they're going to do, that that's excessive. You know, I'm engaged in a constitutionally protected activity. That's what this is, a constitutionally protected activity. as far as filming that building or you guys course of your official duties. You know, we just got rulings on this in court in February. You know, Turner versus Driver. I can film any of you guys in the course of your official duty as long as you're in public view. >> Okay. Hope you'll be here in a little bit. >> Okay. So, they can handle it and deal with it. We've asked you not to film the facility. You refuse to knock that down. You refuse to give me ID. You refuse to give me any information. You're loing on public street. I'm going to let the city hand it. Okay. >> Well, actually the loitering statute, I can quote that to you as well. Doesn't apply. >> The man decided to lay it all out. He openly stated that what he was doing was protected by the Constitution, even referencing court cases and legal precedents. But what made viewers both laugh and get chills was what happened next. Another unit showed up and the conversation suddenly took a completely different turn. >> Good evening. >> How's it going? >> It was better. >> What's going on today? >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> Not a thing. >> Okay. Uh sheriff's office called us out here. So somebody out here being suspicious. >> What kind of world is it when the police call the police? >> I don't know. But when they call, we got to come running. Well, I'm probably going to make you unhappy just like I made them unhappy. >> Okay. So, what's going on? >> Nothing. I'm taking pictures. >> Okay. >> And they got upset about it. Came out here and demanded ID and told me I was loitering and detained me. >> Okay. >> And I told them, "No, I'm not giving you ID." And uh what I'm doing is not called loitering. Doesn't fit the statute. But if you guys want to try and enforce that, that's up to you. >> Okay. All right. Well, um, were you just taking pictures of the facility or wildlife or? >> Well, I mean, I've never seen this place before, so I took pictures of >> So, so the facility? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Torres and Kamacho. >> Yeah. So, you're just out here taking pictures of the facility. >> 24. >> Yes, I am. >> That's cool, is it? >> Yeah. It's decent out here. about that time, right? >> I don't know. I'm not from here. So, >> where you from? >> Uh down south Texas. >> South Texas. Oh, yeah. What part? >> Uh down along the coast. >> Down along the coast. >> Down the coast. >> Yeah. So, it was I was wearing shorts when I left there. Shorts and t-shirts. >> Yeah, cuz my wife, she's Well, she's got family down south in the San Antonio area. So, >> Oh, way further. Way Yeah. No, not even close to San Antonio. >> The tension seemed to ease a bit when another officer stepped in. His tone was softer, the questions more casual, but the man still didn't back down. But don't think everything was fine just yet because from here the conversation took a very unexpected turn. >> Don't detain somebody standing on public property for taking pictures. And he didn't like it. I told him, "You don't want me to take pictures of it? Build a wall around it." What? He go, "Oh man, you didn't hear what I said." I said, "What? What triggered that sergeant was when I told him no." Uh, you know, >> I said he he's obviously not used to have people tell him no. >> And and that's the thing, you know, like they're going to be like we talked about it earlier. People don't know how to react >> anyway. >> Well, and you called it right. They're they're not used to to seeing this. Okay. And so that that's what prompted the reaction, the initial reaction because, you know, it you're designed to be curious. You're taught to be curious, you know, and everybody wants to catch that next terrorist before he strikes. I got it. I'm all for it. Okay. I just came from the Pantex plant. You know what that is? >> Yep. Everybody knows what that is right around here. >> Yeah. Well, >> that's >> that's going to be an interesting video when I publish it. Okay. Cuz I had like eight of their security guards out on the public highway freaking out. Okay. Um and in that particular instance, I had another guy with me and uh I pulled up in my truck and as soon as I pulled up in my truck, I guess they thought it was a bomb or something, but they all got their their flack vests on and started getting it looked like they were fixing to go to war. So, but the sheriff up there, oh my god, that is one of the best sheriff. The sheriff himself came out when they called and that is one of the best law enforcement officers I have ever met in my life. He wasn't even wearing a gun. You know, he had one on him, but it was concealed. But, you know, he when I asked him about that, I queried him. He's like, "Well, I deal with a lot of kids and tired of people saying, you know, you know, be afraid of the policeman. Be afraid of the policeman." And he makes a he makes a good point. And well, you know, this the thing the same thing that happened, you know, a lot of the kids every time we go somewhere to walk and you know, this is what gets me is when the parents say, "You better be careful. You better behavior. I'm going to tell that guy take your jail." >> Yeah. Don't do that. >> And this is the thing where we tell the parents and don't tell me. Tell them. Don't tell your parent. Don't tell your kids that because one day your kids going to get [music] lost or get somewhere >> and they're going to be scared. Yeah. >> You try to come and poke them to see where they'll take off. >> Absolutely. >> In the end, after all the tension, the story reveals one simple truth. Even a lawful act can become a problem when it challenges someone's ego and authority. Up next, just standing on the street with a camera in hand and someone immediately walks up and demands, "Who are you?" And from that moment, everything takes a turn no one can predict. >> How you doing? >> All right. How are you doing? >> Doing just fine. >> What are you doing? >> I can't hear you. So, what are you doing? >> I have a camera in my hand. It's kind of obvious, isn't it? I'm taking pictures. >> What are you taking pictures of? >> Plant. >> Who are you with? >> I'm not with anybody. >> You just walking out here. Where's your car? >> Yeah. I didn't come here by car. Well, I came here by car, but I didn't drive here. I I don't have anything in my pocket, by the way. It's just >> Okay. >> Nothing. Nothing. >> You have some ID? >> Uh, I do. Have I done something wrong? >> Yeah. You're standing right here on the side of the road. taking pictures of a of a nuclear plant. >> Yeah, they have a visitor center in there. I I would think that they were just, you know, kind of social kind of people. >> I still need to see your ID. >> Okay. I I have I haven't broken any law. You just said I hadn't broken any law. So, I mean, I don't really want to identify myself. >> Suspicious. Suspicious person standing out here taking pictures of a plant, nuclear plant, and I'm asking you to see your ID. >> Suspicious person. Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? That's besides the point. Okay. >> Instead of a simple normal warning, he's hit with rapidfire questions like he's doing something dangerous. And when he insists he hasn't broken any law, the reaction from the other side becomes even more shocking. From here, the story shifts straight into forced identification and being labeled suspicious. >> Okay. Are you detaining me? >> For me, I'm just simply asking for your ID see who you are. >> You're you're asking. Okay. Okay. That's consensual contact. That's not You're not detaining me then? >> No, sir. Okay. >> I didn't say I detained you. >> No, you didn't. I I'm just make sure I was clear. >> Say who you are. >> Yeah. Well, you Okay. I I'm not going to give my >> They're worried about it. They sent me out here. >> Okay. Well, I I don't want to give my identification because, you know, sometimes taking pictures of of even though they're they're friendly, they have a visitor center and for some reason they call you when they have a visitor. I don't understand that. But, you know, taking pictures of some uh infrastructure and stuff can get you put on the terrorist watch list. So, I I don't really want to identify myself. I don't I don't want to get hassled with all that. >> What's your name? >> Uh, my name is David. I'll give you that much. >> Where are you from? >> I'm not from here. >> Well, I have a unit that's on duty for the county and they're coming this way and I'll let them I'm going to turn it over to them. Let them deal with you. >> Oh, so you're just off duty working work an extra job? Yes, >> sir. >> I I don't know what you give it to them for. I haven't done >> subjects refusing to ID themselves, so I'll be standing by for 34. >> I'm from the coast, so you know, this is the only one that's close enough to come take pictures of. I've never seen one before. I'm right out in the open. I'm not making any effort to conceal myself or what I'm doing. I I don't see how that's suspicious. >> Until we know what you're doing, I mean, it's deemed suspicious. >> Okay, but I just told you what I'm doing. >> I understand, but you're not identifying yourself to me. And I explain to you why I don't want to identify myself. You know, in this day and age, citizens have to be careful about giving law enforcement and the government their personal information. >> I'm not going to give it to anybody. >> Well, find out who you are. >> Well, like I said, you could you can very easily end up on the terrorist watch list, no fly list, and you know, now they want to use those lists which are not vetted. You know, if you piss a cop off, you could end up on that list. They want to use those lists to deny people the ability to purchase firearms. I mean, it's it's the the government is just out of control with that stuff. And that's that's why I don't want to identify myself. >> I understand >> the man doesn't run, doesn't cause any trouble, yet he's still pressured to prove who he is. And when he refuses to give up his personal information, the pressure ramps up by the second. And just when it seems like a routine check, the situation suddenly shifts. >> Up to an officer. Okay. So, just letting you know. It could be as simple as just showing me your ID and and let me see who you are and be on your way. So, they call you deputy or sergeant. Barrera? >> Sergeant. >> B A R R E R A. Okay, sir. Um, now how how long have you been a police officer? >> 15 plus years. >> If How many people have you arrested for failure to ID in that 15 years? I'm just curious. I mean, >> quite a few, >> but it was under different circumstances. >> It would have to be because there's no way the district attorney would take charges on 382. 302 says you only have to identify yourself if you've been lawfully arrested. >> That's not true. >> That's not >> okay. >> I can actually recite 302 from start to finish, word for word. >> How's it going, man? >> All right. >> Good. Good. I'm Deputy Franklin with the sheriff's office. How are you? >> Deputy who? >> Franklin. >> Franklin. >> Yep. Nice to meet you. >> Uhhuh. Hey, uh my guy said basically the nuclear plant called. I'm sure he's already kind of explained everything to you. And they were just concerned uh due to national security issues that uh you know, hey, people coming out here taking pictures and stuff. They always have us check out on whoever's out here. And uh we do it just you know to make sure that there's nothing nefarious going on. Um you know, he said you had a kind of an issue telling us your name and your information. >> Yes. >> Okay. Why is that? Well, as I explained to him, you know, you guys, you're going to generate a report. >> I'm not going to do a report if everything's okay. I mean, if you're not wanted, you don't have any warrants or anything, do you? I'm not actually going to do a report on this. >> I'm pretty sure that you >> make sure >> I'm pretty sure you have to do a report. >> No, >> because it's sensitive in infrastructure and >> that's their policy. If they want to do a report, then they can do a report. >> Well, >> everything's 104. >> Yeah. Their policy is not law, so I'm not worried about their policy. >> No. No. So, I mean, it's up to me what I end up doing with it. But basically, you know, the deal is is, you know, if you're cooperating with us, man, we're going to cut you loose and let you go on about your business. >> Well, I' I've been cooperative, have I not? >> Sure. >> Except for except for giving my information. And and so the the issue is this, okay, it you take pictures of certain things, okay, and when they don't like it, especially places like this, you end up on the terrorist watch list. you know, you end up with a report being sent over to uh uh the refusion center. >> When one side insists on demanding an identity and the other refuses to give it up, one wrong word can become the excuse to make it a big deal. But in the next part, things turn truly dangerous because the conversation shifts into a mix of soft talk and hard pressure. >> Man, you're obviously you're trying to get a reaction. I know you're you're videoing us. You're taking pictures. You want to see what's going to happen today. Well, I wear >> and I mean I don't want to I don't want to hear him you up. I mean I don't want to have to take you to jail for some BS offense so you you know whatever you're out here doing. >> I could I mean we could get really chicken [ __ ] >> I'm not going to hook you up right now. You haven't committed a crime right now. >> And I'm not going to commit a crime. >> You know I mean >> I'm not going to commit a crime. >> That's good. I you know I don't like I said man I don't want to take I we don't want to have to be out here dealing with all this >> and I don't either. I was just taking pictures. I wasn't expecting any reaction. I mean it's >> Yes, you are. You have your GoPro and your phone. You have everything on. >> I wear this everywhere I go when I get out and photog take take pictures because sometimes stupid things happen. I'll be videoing over here and a snake crawls between my legs. It's happened. You never know. So, it's just a secondary camera that I run. >> That's all. >> Where where are you walking from? >> Well, I got dropped off. >> I figured so. >> Yeah, I had Uber drop me off. >> Okay. >> So, I mean it's no I mean it's no big deal, but like I said, you know, that is you already brought up the fact about it being a nuclear facility. You know, that they're going to be on top of that kind of stuff. >> Well, sure. He said it was a national security issue is why he was out here. So I mean that that triggers my antenna, you know, it tells me >> and you already know that hey there could be a report done and you could get stuck on a list. I'm not going to do a report to turn you in. But the thing is I'd like you to just cooperate with me and you give me your name, your date of birth or your driver's license number. I run you make sure you have no warrants and then we're on our way because it's not I mean I don't we don't care about being out here. We just want to make sure there's not a terrorist out here trying to I mean you can Google the place. >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] >> So, so and get better pictures than what I'm taking here. So, I don't understand what the point is. I've never seen one of these places before. I came down to see it. That's it. >> Well, I mean, you know, there you go. I mean, but the thing is, if there's nothing, no problem, nobody's doing anything wrong. It shouldn't be a big deal for me to ask you, "Hey, man, can you have your driver's license?" Because they had an issue. They're they're afraid. They want to know that somebody's not out here that's terrorist or that's wanted, you know, that's wanted by immigration or wanted by Homeland Security for these kind of issues. >> You just caused them to go through all kinds of paperwork, all kinds of stuff. They're they're in there freaking out. >> I didn't do anything. [laughter] I stood here on public property and take pictures. >> We don't care. >> You know, I can't help their paranoia. >> No, but you know, their workers call us. >> The police aren't yelling much, but they keep zeroing in on one thing. getting his identity to run a check. Just when it seems like it's about to end, the man decides to close it out with a firm stance while the police begin to reveal where they really stand. >> Another sergeant. All right. Um I mean, let's I don't want to waste your time. I don't want to waste my time. So, let's just get to it. Okay. Do you have your driver's license? I >> I'm not going to identify myself. >> Okay. All right. >> Unless you're arresting me for an offense, I'm not going to identify myself. >> Are all of y'all TCO certified? >> I'm asking, are you are you T-Cole certified? >> So, you had the updated training last year on open carry and public photography. Like I said, hey, you know, we told you why we're out here. >> I I understand why you're out here to help them out. All right. Like I said, you know, you're not you're not under arrest right now. You're free to leave. Okay. But, uh, it is every anytime you do something like this, it's going to get a reaction. You obviously know. I mean, you know, are UT Gold Cole certified? >> Wouldn't surprise me if you were a cop out here. >> First go around. Well, and and >> what were you saying about in Texas everybody has to carry ID? I I >> Oh, now he doesn't want to talk. >> All right. >> All right. I'll be gone from here. I don't know how close the the Uber pickup is, but I'm going to call him and have him come get me. I'm I'm done here. Y'all done scared me off. So, no handcuffs, no arrest. In the end, they say you're free to go. But the truth is he was pressured long enough that he had no choice but to walk away. A citizen can sue under section 1,983 when their rights are violated. 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