This is >> This is This is America. This is a public area, public building. We don't have to temperature. We don't have to do that. But am I suspected of committing a crime? >> You're trespassing. >> Huh? >> Really? >> What's your name, sir? >> You have ID on you? >> I'm not going to provide ID until I come back. I can submit. I didn't I >> Okay, go ahead. I apologize. if you're going to give me your information. >> When power is used in the wrong way, a seemingly small remark [music] can turn into the spark that ignites an entire confrontation >> point. I'm going to come in and file my complaint. If I so wish, I can file this complaint anonymously without identity. >> Yes, you can. You can go on each Providence's website. >> Okay. >> And file a complaint there. >> Then, you know, with no name, right? >> Demanding someone's ID without a valid reason isn't [music] just being tough. It can turn an officer into the main subject of an investigation just as they stepped into a public area to request public records. They were stopped by an unbelievably bizarre demand. Not an ID check, but something that would send chills down anyone's spine. >> I'm asking for a public records request. >> Hello. >> Hey, how are you? >> Good. >> Are you a police officer? >> No, he's corrections officer. >> Corrections officer. All right. Can we get a public records request? >> Oh, okay. So, come on, guys. I'm going check on each other before you go in. >> Um, no. >> Huh? >> No. >> No. Then you cannot go inside the building. >> Is that like a law? >> Yeah. >> Can you state the law? >> You recording me? >> Yes. >> No. >> Why would you want to take my temperature? Are you a doctor? >> Those are the federal I don't have suspicion. >> Well, neither do I. We're just getting a public record. >> You gentlemen, you cannot go inside. >> This is a public area, right? I have to ask you to leave the building outside. >> Um, no. >> To [music] wait outside. >> We have business here. >> All right. Just wait outside then because check here. >> Why not? Can I speak to your supervisor? >> All right. Just wait outside. >> I'll wait right here. >> I'll wait right here. >> All right. This guy's trying to take our temperatures and stuff. What's next? >> It says right here, um, there are no exceptions. Obviously, it's not a law. And this is obviously a violation of the Fourth Amendment, especially in a publicly accessible area. >> Hey, how are you? >> He's trying to take my temperature to sir. >> Um I'm not I'm not consenting to any of that. >> You can't come in. As you can see, sir, it's part of our policy during this time. >> Ma'am, um policy is fine, but obviously policy doesn't trump law. This is a clear violation and illegal violence Fourth Amendment and unwarranted search or sea. It's also very unreasonable. We're not searching or seizing, sir. But due to the health issues going on in the country today, we have to take your your >> You don't have to allow us to take it, but you you can't come in without it. >> Well, we need >> No, they can't go past here taking videos. No. >> Well, you're going to have to call the police because this is a public area and we absolutely have the right >> Let's call the police. Let's call the police. >> Go ahead, sir. We have that. >> No. Well, they can call him because we're not breaking any laws. This guy's trying to take our temperature like he's some type of nurse. I'm definitely not letting you guys take my temperature and this is public place. >> That's fine. You don't have to. >> Not a cop, no warrant, no clear explanation. Yet, the attitude kept getting more aggressive, tighter by the second. And you think it was just going to stay a heated argument? No. Because just moments later, a shocking list of rules starts to surface. And from that point on, things officially go beyond the breaking point. Past that door back there is um Sir, don't don't touch them. >> You're not allowed to take photos or videos once you're past the door. >> Oh, so you have to >> Yeah, but you cannot take video. >> Is it a public lobby? >> Well, yes, you can. We already did. >> Sir, the first amendment is very clear. >> We're very complying with what you're saying. Although it's illegal, unconstitutional, we just want to talk with you politely and give public request even if you don't want to talk to us and just be on our way. We just don't want to do >> having to subvert our fourth amendment rights. >> Yes. >> Especially when there's been civil rights heroes and countless founding fathers. >> Especially you're here taking everybody's temperature. I don't even want to be near you, dog. I don't even want to be near you. You're the one that needs to be checked. >> Unbelievable. >> This guy wants to take our >> Is that hand sanitizer? >> Yes. >> Awesome. There we go. >> No weapons allowed. No, they have to check your temperature. No cameras allowed. What is this? A concentration camp? >> Well, the thing that people don't understand is they say, "Well, this is a federal building." Well, guess what? A federal building. >> This is a federal building or or a state building? >> A state building? >> State building. >> Okay. Federal or state means what? When whenever you see the word federal state building, >> if you're not willing to adhere to a policy, you are going to have to leave. Well, we already told you to call the police because you guys are not cops. You can't. You don't have the authority to tell us to leave. There's a public area. >> Sorry. I've spoken with my captain. >> We're with We're with the We're with We're with We're with We're with the media >> for a lawsuit. >> Okay. >> I'm staying right here. >> We're not doing anything wrong. We're not breaking the law. We're trying to We're trying to conduct business here. trying to >> do a public records request. >> This is a public lobby. >> It sure is. >> You got chairs and stuff >> and these and these and these um policies, you guys can't just come up with a policy and everyone has to obey it because you're the department of corrections. You you have no authority over the public. We fund this place. We pay your salary. So, how could you come to your bosses and demand to check their temperature before they come into the building that they fund it? That's not cool. That's not cool. The group reacts immediately, confronting them headon and asking a brutal question. If they treat the public like this out here, what do they do inside to people who have no voice? And right after that, the orders start flying. People are told to leave. Trespass threats get thrown around and the most explosive moment hits when one question is fired back. Who gave you the authority? >> Hey, don't touch him. >> You can't do this. Sir, if you know what I'm going to stop taking the video asking you to leave the video, >> but is this a public lobby? >> He just waved his rights. You can't kick him out. Nope. >> Then you can turn off the video and ask a question. You can't do videos. >> I'm at the front desk, sir. >> Okay. Awesome. I'll talk to the right person. >> No, bring your supervisor. Bring your supervisor. >> Bring your supervisor. >> I don't see no signs. You can't do videos. >> Yes, you can. >> You can't do videos in here, sir. >> Under what law? >> Under what law? >> Under what law? >> Public accessible area. See the line of paper so we can sir. >> And then you guys have a main desk right there. >> You guys are tyrants. You don't get to treat the people like that. >> Damn. >> You guys are disrespectful. >> This is the story. >> Excuse me, sir. open his personal step on the back here. >> What's your What's your name and uh >> What's your name and badge number? >> I don't answer questions. Me neither. Please step back. >> I don't obey orders. >> Step back for me, please. >> I don't obey orders. Don't touch me, please. >> I'm right here. I never went inside. I never went inside. >> You're not violating my right. >> Uh I'm just taking pictures. >> Sir, you can't do videos in here, sir. >> In a public area, sir. >> Can you step outside videos in here, sir? >> You can't do videos in here, sir. You literally let me in with my camera on. Why? >> Please. >> Why is she telling me Why is she telling me I can't be in here after you let me in? >> Isn't there a sticker distance thing? >> I know. Keep your distance. >> You don't even have a mask on either, ma'am. >> Is he your coworker? >> I can't do videos in here, sir. >> Then why did you do videos? >> You gave me permission. >> Do you out in here, sir? >> Do you outrank him? >> You can't do videos in here, sir. >> Well, I I'm I'm trying to get some information. You can't be out of my way. Take turn off your video camera and I will speak with you. But you cannot do videos in here, sir. >> Why? Why? What? What? What do you have against the First Amendment? >> Videos in here, sir. >> Why not? >> You can't do videos in here. >> What's the problem with the camera? >> You can't do videos in here. >> You guys have a camera right there. >> You can't do videos in here, sir. >> It's unlawful or is not the law. >> You cannot do videos. >> You see no food, no drink in this area right there. >> Cannot do videos. >> It does not say no videos. Look, >> you cannot do videos. >> It does not say >> They weren't just being hassled. They were ordered to leave with a firm command, like staying even one more second would trigger something serious. [music] Then real police officers show up. And from that moment on, everything shifts to a whole new level. Trespass threats and demands to clear the area. >> These people are violating our rights. We're trying. They're trying to take our our temperature. We're not inmates, okay? We're try we're >> How you doing? How you doing? We're citizen journalists. We're engaging in a constitutionally protected activity. We have just found out that there's a policy in here that says no recording and that people need to be uh their temperature need to be checked. This guy's being extremely disorderly right now. We're just trying to get a piece of paper and be on our way. >> So, if you don't if you don't comply with the uh temperature taken just cuz the CO 19 thing, uh then you can't you can't be allowed. >> Well, is that a law? >> It's a policy policy. >> Well, you're you're a law enforcement officer, right? Not policy enforcement. So, we can refuse to be checked by by a correctional officer. Yes, we can. Can we speak to your supervisor? >> You can't. >> You don't. You don't. Listen, dude. You don't own this place. You don't own this place. >> Don't walk up on me, sir. >> What you going to do? >> I already did. Sir, sir. >> He's being disordered. >> He asked you to leave. Hold on. Hold on. >> He doesn't own this place. Officer, are you a sheriff? He doesn't own this place. >> And we own it. And we own it. >> Okay. >> We fund it. >> That's fine. But you have to I have to comply with the rules. So do you. Anybody who wants to enter has to have the temperature taken. So if you don't want to comply with sir, sir, >> but you've already been asked to leave. So you did? >> He complied and they still get the out business. >> Can we please speak to your supervisor? >> Comply? >> Well, I never went in. >> Do you have your ID on your >> Am I being detained? >> You sure you can be? Yeah, you you're trespassing. >> How am I trespassing? I haven't broken the law. >> I'm in a I'm in a I'm in a public place. I'm in a and and we're outside. And we're outside, >> sir. If you're asked to leave, you have to leave. >> We're going to put a complaint on you, buddy. >> Sir, we're going to put a big complaint on them. We're We're with the media. >> Okay. You can make so I I'm not suspected of breaking any laws. >> Okay. >> I'm just I just went in a public area and exercise my first amendment. They don't have the authority >> to tell me that that they have to take my temperature. That's not how it goes. From those doors over here, it's called freedom. >> Let me explain. So if you want to enter this building, you have to comply with the with the requirement that you have your temperature. >> I comply with the law because of CO 19. >> No law. And hold on, sir. Come on. Let me explain. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Because of the threat that it poses, right? All right. So if you don't want to comply with that, they can refuse your entry. >> I don't have to. And I can refuse. >> You don't have a right to enter this building. >> Yes, I do. >> No. Well, >> call police supervisor. Police officer >> comply with the >> No, I don't. You know who also You know who also >> One side says they're simply exercising their rights as citizens, while the other insists they have full control, banning filming and even setting new conditions just to step inside. But the next part is where everything explodes. They challenge authority head on. Who's making the rules here? And why is someone being forced to leave just for standing in the right place? >> Needed to comply. >> The people uh Nazi Germans. >> This is that Nazi. >> This is This is America. >> This is a public area, public building. We don't have to temperature. We don't have to do that. >> You're welcome to come here, but you refused. You refused to comply. >> I don't have to comply. That's the thing. >> Well, that's the problem. You have your ID. >> But am I suspected of committing a crime? >> You're a trespass to leave. >> Okay. Well, let me ask you something. >> In order for me in in order in order for me to be trespassed, >> I have to be bring I have to bring back >> the manager of this building so he can ask you. >> In order for me to be charged, >> sir, sir. In order for me to be trespassed from a public place, that lobby equals to that sidewalk. The same thing. So, in order for me to be trespassed, I have to be committing some type of uh I have to be breaking the law. >> All you have to do is refuse to leave when you're asked to do so. Okay? And you know that that justifies constitution. >> Well, we're going to go ahead and leave because because you're not How you doing guys? Are you guys are you Yes, you're a supervisor, right? >> Okay. We're citizen journalists. We're engaged in a constitutionally protected activity. We only take videos where we're allowed to. >> Okay. >> This place right here wants to take our our temperatures to go in there. We don't have to we don't have to comply to that because we're this is a free country. That that area right there is a publicly accessible area. They might have a policy, but policy cannot trump your rights. So, the First Amendment is still the First Amendment. This these guys were extremely rude to me on video and to my friends over here. We have a very large audience. We're not here to create a disturbance or be disorderly or do anything wrong because we're not here for that. We're here to exercise our rights. >> Explain to him that uh because of CO 19, the threat that it poses, they're requiring everybody to go through the correct including us. Including >> and I and I understand, but but you guys but you guys are at work. explain that you refused to leave at the point where Captain Major Clon asked you to leave. You refused to leave >> because this guy's walking up to me with this thing on my head like like it looks it looks like a weapon. If you go in there and you see what he has this guy >> this guy's trying to go like this to your head. >> No. If someone walks up to you like this, >> they do it every time. >> No. No. You guys are going to shoot somebody that walks up something like this. >> It doesn't look like a weapon. It looks like a thermometer. Well, I've never seen I've never had my temperature taken by by a by a man with a badge. And and >> here's the deal. Just let me get your information, sir. I'm not going to arrest you right now for for trespass. We could cuz I asked you later. >> Okay. Why? Look, I'm having a conversation. I'm not being suspected. >> Can I speak Can I speak with you? >> Yeah. Just give me your ID. I've already I've already >> He's trying to ID me. I I have my Fourth Amendment right. I haven't broken the I haven't broken the law, sir. Look, I haven't broken the law. >> Sir, you trespassing. >> How? In order for me to trespass, I have to I have to be breaking any law or be disorderly or something. >> They are being they're being disorderly though. >> I wasn't in there to see their >> the the video's been running for 20 minutes. Once once people are being disorderly >> at this point, everything is tense like a loaded spring. One side says they're simply exercising their legal rights while the other shifts it straight into trespass and ID. even though no clear law has been broken. So, what do you think? Is this just enforcing rules or an abuse of power right in front of the public? Up next, a group of auditors goes to the East Providence Police Station after encountering an officer at a park simply trying to talk things through, but the situation quickly takes a tense turn with a series of unbelievable reactions. >> How's it going, man? Uh, I'm going to need to speak to um the officer on duty, please. >> Um, probably a supervisor would be great. >> All right. Yeah. The uh badge doesn't give you extra rights. Here we go. Tire. Look like an LT. Yep. That LT's got one show up. How many cops are up there? >> I I can tell you that without looking up. Zero. >> There's going to be There's going to be uh one back. >> What do you think about this? >> What do you think about this? >> What's wrong? >> Uh that's an unconstitutional sign. Hey Josh big ass right there. I mean my question is what are they doing? >> Can you see him in there? >> It seemed like it would be [music] a normal conversation but the longer they waited and the more they asked, the stranger the atmosphere became. No one gave a clear answer. No one stepped up to explain anything. And the attitude inside made it feel like they were being deliberately ignored. And just seconds later, everything shifts completely. >> No one. I'm here now. So, >> wow. >> Told you that I'm just waiting for them. have to come out and tell you to leave. >> Hey, do you know how long it's going to be? >> Wait, you know how long it's going to be? >> Okay. So, do you know when they're going to like They're all sitting around doing nothing. Do you know when they're going to get up and >> Sir, are you the guy I'm speaking to or are you going to ignore me, too? Oh, so do do we have do we get any service? >> Oh, really? We got some feisty ones. >> Just service. >> Wow. >> Wow. [screaming] >> Getting on her way now. Wow. >> Slamming doors. >> We've got some angry guys around here. >> It was supposed to [music] be a simple back and forth, but it quickly led to actions that make you wonder why are they getting so tense and what are they really trying to hide? The group starts laying out details, evidence, and demanding clear answers face to face, pushing everything into a whole new level. >> Are you wishing to report a crime? >> I am. >> I'd like to speak right here. >> I'd like to speak right here. >> Do you want to report a crime? That's fine. You can come in here. >> Yeah. I want to bring my friend. >> Is that how it works? >> Bring my friend with me. >> Sir, I'm not going to be denying service. He's a witness. >> We're not denying you service. >> Okay. So, can I come in? Can I come in, too? >> Look, I'm not bringing all you guys in. And I only need the priest reporting a crime. >> Yeah, he was there with me. >> You just want to document it. They can wait. >> Witness to the crime, sir. >> Well, I saw it. Yeah, he it's on video. He's got it on video. So, >> you guys come in. >> It's not It's not a crime. It's uh what's it called? >> I I feel that it feels >> it's uh traffic violation. That's what a ser a serious one. Well, I feel like my safety is at risk. Okay. So, first my first issue is which is I had no idea where you guys are. I'm not even from Rhode Island. I come in here and I ask for service. I have one guy slam the door on me. people walking back and forth. We've had three people come in. One citizen actually just left that has nothing to do with us. I don't know what the issue is. Okay. I have I want to ask an officer a question. Okay. I'm not from this area. I have no idea where I am, what's going on. Simple, very simple question. Okay. >> He refused to ID. >> He drove away. Okay. >> Now, at this point, I'm telling him, first of all, now I want your your ID out, your name, your badge number. That's not safe. And to avoid my questions, here's what he does. And I zoom in nice and close for you. >> Kind of hard. You see a person walking right there. >> He just rans a stop sign. >> A stop sign. No directional. Blows by. >> Okay. Can you tell me what the officer number was on that? >> Yeah, I actually have it right here cuz I issued him a citation today. >> All right. You issued the officer a citation. [music] >> I did. Yep. 722. All right. I have his patrol vehicle marked here. Patrol number 1106. Okay. Car cruiser number five. It's a male party. Um, white, Caucasian, 510. Uh, cruiser number 1106. He failed to stop. It's a failure to stop or yield. An unmarked lane change. It's a self violation. Failure to ID. Felony illusion because I was notifying him that at this point failure to ID under your regulations with two forms is a crime. Each fine adds up to $85. $255 and that can be paid directly to charity. I'm going to give them 30 days today and I'm going to leave this with a very important information. A shiny badge doesn't give you extra rights. It's no longer a conversation [music] asking for help. It turns into a full-on accountability showdown right inside the station, but the real peak hits when a supervisor steps out. Everything shifts instantly and the one demand [music] that shocks viewers the most gets thrown on the table. >> Very nice. By the way, >> thank you. I apologize to come at you the way that I did, but your officers are tyrants. Just absolute tyrants. >> This guy slammed the door on us right there. Dude, >> it's like really >> What's your name, sir? Josh, >> you have ID on you? >> I'm not going to provide ID until I come back. I can submit a phone. I didn't I Okay, go >> ahead. I apologize. >> If you're going to give me your information, right, like your name and all this, right? How do I know who you are, who you say you are without you showing me identification? >> So, here's the response to that. Right now, I'm giving you my information. You can let me know what the officer's name is and at that point I'm going to come in and file my complaint. If I so wish, I can file this complaint anonymously without identity. >> Yes, you can. You can go on each Providence's website and >> file a complaint there with no name, right? >> Yes, I can do it anonymously. >> Okay. So, why you say you need the ID for? >> Because he was going to give me a name. How do I know who he is unless I see? >> But you have a reason to believe I'm lying to you. >> I know. >> Do I have a reason to believe you? >> I mean, yes. You do. He just showed you on video. >> Believe anything. >> Are you an officer? He just showed you on video. I >> No, no, no. That's not He showed me what he perceived happen with the office, >> Lieutenant. >> Okay, I got that part. What I'm asking though is how do I know who he is unless he shows me ID? >> Well, how do I know? >> There's a reason why we request ID. >> How do I know who you are? Do you have anything illegal on you? Anything I should know about in your car? Do you mind if I search you? Come on. >> Are you here to make a complaint, sir? >> I'd like I'm going to give you my email address and my phone number so you can contact me with [music] his name so I can add that to the complaint form. >> And so, who am I going to be asking for if I contact you? >> You can ask for Josh. I'll give you my first name. Okay. And um >> how does he feel? Uh how should he >> I can't tell how [music] he feels? >> I mean, >> I will talk to the officer about >> Yeah, I'm not sure which charity he'd like to donate to. Um >> Okay. >> You know, victim against violence is a good fund. >> Um J O No, >> my email. Yeah. J Oase. >> All one word, lower case. Yep. >> J O Hgmail.com. >> When a supervisor steps in, you'd [music] think everything would calm down, but no. The situation gets pushed in a completely different direction. The tension [music] spikes. The words get heavier. And one thing becomes crystal clear. Sometimes all it takes is one sentence, "I need your ID." to make the entire situation explode. Citizens may sue police officers under 42 USC section 1,983 when their rights are violated. Officers found in violation may be required to pay damages and face discipline or termination. In a civilized society, power itself isn't as frightening as the way people choose [music] to use it. If you ever witness something similar one day, speak up respectfully, document the truth, stay calm, and follow the law. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? [music] If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]