Okay. Let me see your ID, please. >> I don't have any on me. >> Okay. What's your name? >> Uh, have I done anything wrong, officer? >> You have the What you need to do is just identify yourself. >> I have Have I done anything illegal or anything? >> No. Right now, you're a suspicious person. >> Violation of Michigan law. >> The ash? >> Yes, sir. It's actually a fire hazard and >> I'll pick it up then. >> Can I get your ID, please? >> It's Ash. >> Yes, sir. >> This is the moment when power collides headon with the law and not everyone walks away standing. I'm asking you to identify yourself cuz I don't know who I'm talking to right now. >> There's there's no reason to identify. >> Well, there is because I'm asking state law the state law, you know, says I have to. >> You are detained. Well, >> they thought demanding ID would end it all. But that very move led them straight to [music] a bitter ending. A citizen appears outside a police station filming and taking photos from a public space and one simple question sends the entire station into disarray. But what triggered such an intense reaction? Can I help you, sir? >> No, sir. I didn't ask for no help. >> What's that? Sir, >> I didn't ask for any help. No, sir. Okay. You >> got any identification? >> Do I need some? >> You're at the police department. >> Okay. >> I'm asking for identification. >> Oh, I don't have any on me. >> You don't have any on you? >> Why [clears throat] not? >> Cuz I I don't drive nothing. >> Okay. But by law? >> No. By law, I don't identification? >> No, sir. No, sir. >> Yeah. You have to? >> No, sir. >> Provide identification? >> Absolutely not, sir. >> Okay. >> Absolutely not. >> What are you doing? >> Well, I've got a camera. I obviously can see that. >> Well, that's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. >> Okay. The purpose behind it. >> Just filming. >> Okay. >> Well, if you film anybody that don't want to be filmed, you know, you do. You >> No, that's not that's not right either. >> Oh, okay. So, you can film anybody? >> Yes, I can. You have no expectations of power to public. >> Okay. >> Okay. I know the law pretty well. >> Are you a lawyer or what? >> Does it matter? >> I'm asking a question. >> Just know I know the law very well. You're not going to sit here and [ __ ] me. >> I'm not going. >> Okay. And I don't appreciate you doing this. So, right now, this is essential conversation. I'm going to walk away from you cuz you've already pissed me off for trying to tell me laws that ain't right. >> Have a good day. >> Go get educated, sir. Have a good day. >> You, too. >> Shame on you for lying. >> One line. Have a nice day. >> Shame on you. Feel a shame of yourself. Shame. Shame. >> Whatever. >> Shame. Shame. Lying to the public like that. How many lives have you ruined? But you've ruined a lot of lives, haven't you? Shame on you. Shame. Shame. >> No clear accusation, no specific law cited. Yet the pressure keeps mounting. Then a single key question is asked, freezing the moment for a few brief seconds. As boundaries are pushed further, the so-called investigation begins to reveal some troubling signs. Doing >> all right? Doing pretty good. >> Doing for you? I called and said that you were they had a suspicious individual that would be >> suspicious. Okay, >> I understand. >> Look, brother, I'm checking. >> I got you. >> So, what's what's going on? >> Just out doing a little video taping. >> Videotaping of the front of the building. >> Front of the building. Anything I can see from the public areas. >> Okay. >> Tell you what, I'm I'm doing a a story. >> Okay. >> For for possible publication. So, >> Okay. On what? >> No, I can't I can't reveal that information. Compromise it. >> Okay. Let me see your ID, please. >> I don't have any on me. >> Okay. What's your name? Uh, have I done anything wrong, officer? >> You have the What you need to do is just identify yourself. >> Have I done anything illegal or anything? >> No. Right now, you're a suspicious person. Am I detained? So, listen to me. >> Am I being detained? >> Listen to me. >> Am I a detained officer? >> For investigative purposes, yes. >> Okay. So, what crime do you expect me committing? >> It's not a crime with no crime. >> Listen to me. Listen to me. >> I don't know. Please keep your hand [snorts] out. >> There's nothing in that pocket right there. I'm just keep my hands on it. thumb is >> it wasn't your hand. >> I I agree with you there. >> Okay. Listen to me. >> I'm asking you to identify yourself cuz I don't know who I'm talking to right now. >> There's there's no reason to identify. >> Well, there is because I'm asking state law. The state law, you know, says I have to. >> Okay. And what law is that? >> The ID law. It says you can't be stopped in ID. >> What What law is that? >> We're not The stopping ID. The stopping ID law. >> What? The stop ID law. >> I Oklahoma is not part of something you learned on YouTube. >> No, that's not something I learned on YouTube. Officer, I are you detained? >> Yes, sir. You are >> under. What crime have I committed? >> I didn't ask you. I didn't say it was a crime, sir. >> This is unlawful detainment. >> It is not unlawful detainment. For investigative purposes, I'm >> What are you investigating? What are you investigating? >> What you're doing here? >> Is that illegal? >> Listen, buddy. >> I'm asking you. >> Officer, am I detained? >> Have a seat right over here on the curb. >> I'm not going to sit down. I'm not a dog. >> I'm not a dog, officer. >> I didn't say you were a dog. >> Then why would you come off tell another man he has to sit on the ground on wet ground at that? >> Then let's go inside and sit down. >> I don't need to go inside. Let's go over here where it's dry and we can sit right over there on that bench and talk. >> Well, I don't have nothing to say. I want to be on my way. >> Hey, headquarters. Go send code for, please. >> I'd like to be on my way. >> Am I detained? >> You are detained. >> Well, what crime have I committed? >> The words grow heavier, the distance closes, and the atmosphere shifts into open confrontation. No one can point to a specific reason, yet the commands keep coming. And when those who believed they were in control are forced to face their own words, the balance begins to shift in ways no one expected. >> All right. >> Yes, sir. >> So, as I said, you were being detained for investigative reasons. All right. So, after speaking with everyone in here, you have not broken the law. >> Okay. >> Okay. This is why cooperation gets a lot further than just showing up and and being obstinate for no reason. >> I I told you what I was doing and >> being obstinate. So anyway, >> okay. >> So right now you're not under arrest because as of right now you haven't broken the law. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Have a good day. >> So am I free to go? >> You can you can record. I'm fine. >> Oh, >> I'm not What I'm asking you is I'm asking as a person, >> right? And I understand that now. >> I have certain things I want to keep private me as a person. >> I understand that. >> So that's why I'm asking please. >> That's what I was when you But when you first came out, you said don't record me. >> No, that's not what I said. >> It's on video. That's what you said. And I will That's what That's what you said. That's reason. That's the reason I was asking you. If Can I speak? Can you quit interrupting me for a minute? >> No, cuz then I'm done talking to you. What's your name? Badge number. >> I don't have a badge number. >> What's your name? >> I'm I'm not giving you that. I don't have to give you that. >> So, it's not in your faulty to give your name when you contact citizens. >> No, it is not. >> Okay. >> Cuz I'm not on You can get right there. There it is. That's fine. But I'm not I am not a public officer. I'm a detention officer. I work for >> Who do you work for? >> I work for the Moore Detention Center. >> Okay. Who who who owns that building? >> I couldn't tell you that. I have no idea. >> We the people own that building. So you work for us? >> No, I I >> No. Yes. You're right. Absolutely. But you work for us when you're when you're under full capacity. >> I'm not >> You work for me. >> All I was asking was for you not to take my photo just because. >> But you didn't ask. You you you demanded at first. Don't take my video. >> I will watch the video cuz I asked. >> So are you are you not on a duty right now? >> No. No. I'm off the clock. I'm taking my lunch right now. That's why I was have a good day to You're dismissed. Have a good day. I I can stand here as well. >> Explanations begin to surface. The tone softens, but beneath it lies a hard to hide sense of avoidance. When the focus shifts away from right and wrong, the story suddenly veers in another direction. One where personal feelings are raised as a shield. And that shift opens the door to a new debate, longer and more drawn out. Y and the privacy of the ones that I love, my family, >> the ones that I'm trying to protect because of the >> Yeah guys, it's a circular conversation. I mean, I mean, he's don't don't know when to quit. >> I you know, I >> I've watched I've seen the videos. I've watched many of the videos. >> I don't know what videos you're talking about, but okay. >> The multiple videos online on YouTube trying to >> whatever it is and stuff. That's fine. I don't know. I was simply asking you politely at first and and you said you weren't going to and I thought I didn't respect. >> No, that's not what I said. Like I said, the video will show that's not what I said. >> Well, if that's not what you said, that's what I heard from over there. So, that's my mistake. >> Well, that's called selective hearing. >> Okay. Let's see. Now, that's just name calling and I haven't >> No, I didn't name I didn't call you a name. I just said that's called selective hearing. >> How's that? Did I call you a name? What name did I call you? >> You said it's selective hearing. I have selective hearing. >> I said that. You said that I have a a a dependency of weakness of selective hearing. That's not and I >> No. Now, who describes that as a weakness? >> You said it was selective hearing. >> Okay. But who who made selective hearing a weakness? >> You were arguing. >> No, you're you're putting you're putting everything to say I'm calling you a weakness. Who said it was weakness? >> You have to go. >> Look. Hey, I'm done talking to you. You can keep talking if you would like, but I'm done. >> You got that. I interrupted you and I was being >> Yeah, but I'm done talking to you. >> Okay, that's fine. So, we're just we're just standing here then. And you're still recording me even though I asked you not to. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Cuz I have rights. >> And I have rights as well. >> Yeah, you sure do. >> Just please don't please don't record me for the privacy of And you can't respect me enough as a as a person, as a citizen. Find us. >> When you stood over there and you told me that you're denying me, you ain't a you're a man as well as I am. You have no authority to deny me of anything >> because I asked you. >> You still do not have any authority to deny me. Will you come off telling me you deny me anything? >> I asked you politely. >> You're a man. Equal rights as I got. >> You deny me my right to ask you not to my picture. >> Well, your picture's taken. I'm sorry that you're uncomfortable with it. >> I am because I have family. I have a daughter. I have things that I try to protect every day. >> Yeah, I do, too. And y'all have me on video. >> Can I ask y'all not to record me? >> I I don't want to I haven't What? Me personally? I haven't >> I mean that that everybody in there's got my picture. I I don't know of that. >> You don't know you have cameras sticking outside that building? >> Yeah, we have cameras up there. >> Okay. Then then you know I was recorded. >> No, I wasn't up there. >> No handcuffs, no citation, no apology. Instead, it devolves into a repetitive cycle of arguments with each side clinging to their position. Is this still a normal exchange or merely a lastditch attempt to regain control? Under section 1,983, citizens may sue police officers for violations of constitutional rights. Officers who violate the law may face civil liability, disciplinary action, or termination. Up next, everything begins quietly. A walk, some observation, filming a peaceful small town. But it's often the most harmless looking places where trouble silently begins to take shape. Too late. >> All right, I think we'll end it on that awesome note right there. hang around. >> You know, it is illegal to videotape me without my permission. >> No, you're wrong. >> No, I'm right. >> No, you're 100% incorrect. You're in public, man. >> No, I was in my car. >> In public? >> Does it [ __ ] matter? >> Yes, it does. You know what is illegal though is having your van obscured. That's illegal. [laughter] That's funny. Let's see. What's the plate number? That's not even a Michigan plate. >> Yeah. Ha 21 Y. Long way from home. Show me steak. >> Show me that B. [laughter] >> Guess I'll just pop squat and have cigarettes since we're waiting. >> Oh yeah, they got them on front and back. >> Yep. >> Oh yeah. I didn't even notice that. >> Expired. It >> says 23. I don't know. >> It's kind of funny. We weren't even really paying her any mind until she said something. >> What seemed like a small misunderstanding is blown out of proportion, setting off a chain reaction. The words sound confident at first, but the more you listen, the more inconsistencies emerge. And as the atmosphere shifts into something no one can ignore, all that's left is to watch what happens next. I'll tell you, guys. >> How's it going? making movies. >> Something like that. >> Cool. I'm Officer Clark. >> How's it going? >> Not too bad. >> They call me Tater Salad. >> What is it? >> Tater. >> Tater salad. Are you tater tot? >> No. >> That's good. Ron White, right? >> That's funny. >> You making some videos and stuff? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cool. >> Oh, yeah. We meet again. [laughter] >> You know, it was funny. We [music] were just walking by and she said, "You can't record me." And we didn't think much of it. We went in here and they gave us a tour of this facility right here because it's first one of its kind. >> It's pretty nice. I haven't been in there yet. >> It's actually beautiful in there. >> Pretty cool. >> A little smelly but >> not that's not surprising. >> You're right. >> But then we come out and we were walking back this way and she said, "Aren't you going to wait for the cops?" We're like, "Oh, yeah, sure. >> Okay. >> We we don't want them thinking we're running from them, you know." I tried to explain to her, you know, there's no expectation of privacy in public, and we weren't purposely trying to record her until she said something. So, >> Gotcha. Okay. >> Let him take her. >> Could I get your name and badge number? >> Officer Clark 3907. >> Thank you. >> No problem. >> We gave her completely. >> Gotcha. I got a card. >> Oh, no. We don't need it. >> All right. >> No, we're good. >> So, what what was the state police swap rolling through town for? >> They don't tell us. They don't tell us. It's state police. Oh, you guys don't get to hear it on the radio or nothing. >> No, stuff like that. >> Yeah, cuz they come through with lights and siren. >> The siren was >> Yeah, we heard it earlier, too. But we don't know. >> Uh uh. >> So, they could be going to anything, honestly. Who knows? >> But yeah, this is what we do. We educate people. >> You know, usually it's we get to talk to them and educate them that way, but sometimes it ends up this way. >> Gotcha. You guys do it independently or you guys got YouTube or >> Yep. YouTube and Facebook. >> You guys have cards that says >> I do. >> I'm not that professional, you know. Yeah. >> I was just curious. >> Do you have separate YouTubes or they the same? >> Separate. >> Can I get your YouTube check? >> Sure. It's a de facto media group. >> De facto de >> CTO. There you go. >> And media group. >> Just when everything seems settled, the situation is suddenly dragged in another direction where even the smallest details are scrutinized beyond necessity. And from that point on, the confrontation enters a more intense phase. One where every boundary begins to be tested. >> You find out what the the number is for it so I can look it up. >> Look it up. Won't you give me your ID, sir? >> I'd like to look at the law first, please. >> Correct. Yep. Like I said, it is a violation of Michigan law and I am requesting your identification for citation potential. >> And I will be more than happy to once I know what the law is so I can read it. >> Okay. Well, while I look up you on your ID and write you down on my paperwork, you can look up the law. >> I want to [music] see the law first. >> Okay. >> To see whether or not I am required to identify. >> You are required under a Michigan >> if I broke the law, >> which you did. >> What law is it? >> By placing an ash on the ground as a littering violation in the state of Michigan. >> So, basically, you're telling me everybody that smokes in public is littering? >> Yes, sir. So that's uninforcable then. >> No sir. >> Well yeah because down the road you're just picking and choosing who you're going to >> everybody drives down the road in speeds but doesn't mean that we get everybody. >> Cigarette ash is not listed in there. >> Says or any other debris. >> Sir, I'm going to place you under arrest for citizens arrest for trying to enforce enforceable unconstitutional doesn't exist. >> I will place you under citizens arrest sir. Can I speak to the LT? >> He is busy speaking with the female. >> I'd like to report a crime and I'd like a supervisor. >> Supervisor's right there. >> Perfect. You can get him for me though. >> He is in the process of doing something else. >> Arguments are piled on one after another, growing more strained with each word, while any truly convincing answer remains absent. The atmosphere grows heavier. every eye waiting for the next move. And that very shift sets the stage for what follows where the limits are tested more clearly than ever. >> So he's saying I littered because of cigarette ashes. I kept the cigarette butt. I didn't drop the butt. And he's saying my ashes is litter. [music] How is that litter? It's ashes. He's trying to say I broke the law, which I didn't. If that were the case, then everybody that walks down a public street with a cigarette is is breaking the law and nobody's getting a dick for it. >> So, what it comes down to is you want his ID. You want to be in control. What threat to safety has been? I'm >> just saying it's a littering violation. >> You're power hungry and you're a threat to this community is what it is. This is the kind of things we're out looking for is guys like you that need to get off the course. And I even scooped up the ashes to try to impease him and put them in that receptacle right [music] there. >> I can't believe you guys swore an oath to the Constitution to wear that, right? >> I mean, LT LT, come on. This is ridiculous. Honestly, we're out here exercising our first amendment right and he's smoking a cigarette as he has the right to do. And because there's ash, your young cop over here is power hungry and wants to get his ID. What's the point of that other than power and control? I mean, not to mention, it's biodegradable. It's not like I'm dumping >> trash. It's it's ash. It's burnt up. It's a It's an element that was burned. There's nothing left. It's not a physical element, >> right? >> It's That's ridiculous. Good luck in court. That's a lawsuit. That's the same as if you have like a pile of trash and you burned it, then all the different that's an EPA violation. >> I'm just I'm just asking. I mean, you're stating that you have something that is man man-made, >> right, >> that you smoke. >> The tobacco itself isn't manmade. >> No, I understand. But I'm just saying it's it's man I'm just asking a question. I get what you're coming from, but those those fumes and that all that burning trash, of course, it's the same in cigarettes, but obviously there's no regulation. >> Okay. So, we're just belittling the the the issue, which is this is a cigarette opposed to a bag of trash. I'm just asking a question. >> No, he's >> Well, they didn't drop the cigarette, but it was just >> I'm talking about ash. So, I'm saying if you burn a a bag of trash, say it's all paper and tobacco products and you burn that and it releases EPA environmental issue. >> When all explanations have been exhausted, what remains is no longer the law, but a sense of power and [music] control. No one is arrested and sometimes the silence at the end speaks louder than any argument. No one truly wins, but one truth is laid bare. Knowing the law is the strongest form of protection. Police must be granted the authority to protect the community. But that authority only has meaning when it is exercised lawfully, responsibly, [music] and ethically. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? [music] If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]