that you are on that policy. Can you give me your details? Under what section do you want my details? >> Under what section? >> Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you. But >> so you don't know the legislation that you are working under. >> When a traffic officer stops you, understanding your legal obligations is your first line of defense. Section 163 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 states, "A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform." In this encounter, the driver complied by stopping when signaled, fulfilling their duty under this section. However, the officer's demand for details without specifying the legal basis sparked a challenge. By calmly questioning the officer's authority and citing the correct legislation, the driver exposed the officer's lack of clarity, turning the stop into a lesson on accountability. Knowing the precise sections of the law empowers you to hold officers to the same standard they enforce. >> Need to check with the insurance company that you're on that policy. Can you give me your details? >> Under what section do you want my details? >> I need to check you insured. >> You know it's insured. You see my insurance policy >> because they'll have a list of people who are insured for that policy. >> Yeah. It's my own policy. It's my personal policy. >> It's your policy. >> It's my personal policy. So after speaking to your insurance company, okay, um they're unable to give me details of confirming your policies unless I have your details for data protection. >> Right. >> Right. Are you able Are you going to prove anything else >> under GDPR? Yeah. They can't supply you with details under GDPR. Yeah. Well, they can. You've got the policy number, but >> they're refusing to confirm with me cuz they can't confirm I'm with you. >> Well, they confirm there's a policy number, but I've asked you what section do you want to see my details? I can ask you your details. The section of law to ask your details under section 163 of the road traffic. >> I've been stopped under section 163 of the road traffic act 1988. Yes. >> If you're you're refusing to give >> I'm not refusing to give my details. I'm asking you under what section of the road traffic act 1988 you wish to see my details. >> Hello buddy. How you going? >> All right mate. >> Let me come that side. I'm showing against the truck again so I can hear you. Yeah, >> if you wish. So, put your window down or open the door or whatever. Um, I can't accept that you're not prepared to give details. >> I never said I wasn't going to give details as I've asked him nearly four times. I want to know what section under the Road Traffic Act he wants to see them. Well, >> he's already given those details, hasn't he not? No. >> Chris, tell him what section under the royal account do you want to give the details? That's what he wants to know. >> Section 163 of the road truck gives you the power to stop you on the road and obtain your details. >> Section 163 gives you the power to stop me. >> I'm not debating that power to you. >> Right. So you >> I'm requesting details under >> under se and so under section 163 of the road traffic act 1988. You are requesting my details. So, you do not know the legislation you are working under cuz section 163 does not give you the power to request my details. >> You're committing a moving traffic offense for a start. >> Right. Under section 163, I'm required >> about that. I've just said to you, you're committing back a moving traffic offense. Therefore, the fact you're committing moving traffic offense gives me the power to identify who you are for us to deal with you accordingly. Um, obviously, you got no door panels on the inside. I can see that. So, um, you've committed to move traffic off events based on the fact you the registration is not clearly visible at the front of the vehicle at the most visible point. Um, and my colleague stopped you for other reasons. So, there we go. Within great respect, if we get on and just deal with this quite quite quickly, you can get on your way, we can get on our way. A job done. If not, you're going to waste a lot of your own time if I'm perfectly honest. And as me, as a human, as a free person of this country, I'm abiding by the legislation I am put under, which as section 163, I have stopped. That is all I am liable to do under section 163. >> A moving traffic defense, you're entitled to provide your details to us, my friends. >> Under what section? >> Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you. But >> so you don't know the legislation that you are working under? Obviously don't know the legislation. So explain to me how >> reenact to you the exact point exact etc etc. The fact of the matter is they're not this >> okay section 163 of the road traffic act 1988 states that any person driving a motor vehicle must when requested to by constable or officer in uniform or traffic officer must stop their vehicle. That is the end of section 163. >> Okay. Now, as a lesson from a normal person to two traffic officers, section 164 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 requires to me on request by a traffic officer or constable >> to provide my details. >> Yeah. >> So, what section under the Road Traffic Act would this gentleman like my details? >> You need to ask me, don't you? I'm just telling you, apparent you committed traffic offense. Therefore, we need to establish who you are in order to progress that. >> And I've just told you what section. Sorry. >> So, under what section of the Road Traffic Act would you or this gentleman like to see my details? >> You need to speak to my colleague. At the end of the day, he's asking for your details. So, if you're saying you know the law and everything else, that's great. And you're saying you need to provide them under section 164. Then I don't know why you're being quite obstructive. Because I'm holding you to the legislation that I am put under that you have to work by. It's not that hard for this gentleman to now say to me that he wants to see my details under section 164 of the road traffic act. Is it or is it not? But me was getting distracted. Somebody calling at the same time absolutely requires the power of the customer to provide what you require me on request by a constable in why why are we human service? Why are we just being polite to >> why? because I'm part of a very small line of people. >> Yeah. >> That are holding you to account. >> Well, that's absolutely right. >> The fact that you are a traffic officer, this other gentleman, judging by his white hat, is also a Surrey traffic officer. >> Yeah. So if a member of the public can know most of the pace, most of the anti-terrorism laws and most of the traffic and section laws that I need to know while driving a motor vehicle, why can a traffic officer not? >> Well, it's not a question of not, it's a question of remembering lots of different things and they certainly on an certain people have different memories. >> On an everyday traffic stop, all you need to remember is section 163, 164, and 165. It is not difficult. Okay? I am just holding news to account. You you the problem is is Met Surrey Essex Deon and Cornwall Hampshire they all think because they're in a uniform >> y >> or a fancy dress costume to me >> that they can say and do and ask for whatever they want whenever they want. I am just holding you to account to the legislation. >> But there again I don't believe that you've been asked for anything outside what's been required. So therefore >> under section 163 obviously you can't jump out of your car and say to me under section 163 I want you to stop. He has clearly given me signal that he is an officer. I have followed. I have stopped. That is me done on section 163. >> All he needed to require to do is to walk up and said on the se section 163 I've stopped you for committing a moving road violation. Not a problem. Under section 164 or 165, whatever one you want to choose. Y are required to see your details. He would be to show my driving license. End of job's done. >> Okay. All right. So if he comes and says that you're giving your driving license, you give details. Yeah. >> Yes. cuz I'm applied to by the legislation. >> Well, then that's fine. I Okay, I >> You may think this may be doing a certain thing out of principle, which I understand. >> Yeah, but but let me let me say this. You may think this is strange. You may think it's odd. You may think it's suspicious. He may find it odd and suspicious to do certain things. However, exactly. But the next time you come across someone like me that asked you for a section or that gentleman for a section, >> it'll be it'll be in your brain. I remember someone like this. So under section one talk and I have your details. You will be showing my driver license or giving my name and address whatever is required. >> Sure. >> And whatever I have on me at the time. >> I don't give a bro. I fully understand what you're saying. All right. At the end of the day, I'm not here to argue. >> Neither am I. I just want, you know, for me it's not teaching you a lesson, but it makes it easier on you the next time you come across someone that knows legislation like I do. >> So you get someone >> Lots of people know lots of different things, don't they? >> Yeah. you know, but as your job, as my job as a mechanic, I know what I need to do. I know the the the laws involved, the safety involved. I know what can happen if it goes wrong. Same as you. You should know the simple aspects to a traffic stop because if something goes wrong and you end up in court because you failed to follow legislation, I don't think you failed to follow legislation. Well, you can because if you reason why you're wearing everything, >> you're saying I'm I'm failing to give details. You then smash my window and drag me out the car, arrest me, take me to a station, then he gets NFA because well, you find my details. You find out I'm insured. You find out this is MOT is taxed. It was going for an MOT of half N, which is now not going to happen. Um, I can then sue you for criminal damage, false arrest and false imprisonment. That's about 20 grand in my pocket for the simple simple thing of section 163 164 or 16. >> You are going to have to open your door just purely and simply because from what I'm seeing you've got no door trim panel on there under under PG9 and dangerous conditional motor vehicle that will come under it. So >> if there's a sharp edge there is no sharp edge. Under a sharp edge there is no sharp edge. >> Let me go get the books for you on that one and you can read that one. All right. In the meantime, my colleague will explain 164 and require your driver license. No problem. >> Okay. So, I suspect you've committed a road traffic offense, namely at the moment no insurance and your number plate. Okay. You can pull over section 163. Section 164 also give me the power to ask for your driver license in relation to that offense on the road so I can verify your details. >> Yep. >> Not a problem. >> Of course, I can. >> Thank you. Is that okay? >> I don't have to give it to you. So, here's a photo and I can call the insurer and bottom out. >> That's fine then. The driver's insistence on clarity under the Road Traffic Act flipped the script on the officers. Section 164 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 requires a person must when requested by a constable produce their driving license or provide their details. When the officer failed to site this section, the driver pressed them to justify their request, revealing their unfamiliarity with the law they enforce. This moment underscores the importance of knowing the legislation better than those enforcing it. By holding firm and demanding the officer specify the correct section, the driver demonstrated that a well-informed citizen can shift the power dynamic in such encounters. Addressing your driving license, um, is that where your insurance policy is registered to? >> It should be. Yeah. >> Yeah, >> it should be. >> What first name you going by? >> That is my first name. >> The M. Is it Mouser? >> Bowser. >> Bowser. >> Yeah, that is my first name. >> And is the middle name? I just want to drift. >> Yeah, >> as a middle. But is that you go as Bowser? >> Yeah, I go with Bowser. 000. >> Hello. 667 road traffic. Gives me the power to test and inspect motor vehicles. >> Yep. >> Okay. Can you please kindly open your driver's door so I can inspect that driver's door and make sure there are no sharp edges in order for it to be um exactly right. So to have a door panel on here um is purely and simply for all protection purposes. I bet you opened it. It's a good start. >> That's why there's no door panel. Why? Because you got because I couldn't open it and it's going for anote today. So for anote, I need the door to open inside and out. So that's why it is still at the garage where obviously this is now going for anote. So the door card was going to be back on and sort of the numb place sorted cuz that was on the floor this morning. I think someone was here, you know. Um that's about it with this van. It looks a state but isn't it? >> Yeah. you know, cheap shitty run around you know it most of the time when I'm sitting for half hour dear park lane where the met traffic met around the corner from the met traffic unit. Um, yeah. No, so the door card is, well, I literally got the door finished at about half 11 last night. So, door opens. I Where's the in a minute's time? In a minute's time. Yeah, I do work for him, so it's kind of like it's booked, but it's kind of like, yeah, the van tomorrow. He's like, yeah, do it about half when you get it. Oh, yeah. No, he's got like six or something. Cool. Right. Okay. No worries. See how simple that is? Comes in with his little card. He's got his little card to, you know, under whatever it was, 67 or some [ __ ] to look at my vehicle. No problem. Open the door. You can look at my vehicle. I ain't getting out. I'm not taking my belt off. Not turning the engine off. I have no legal requirement to There we go. Simple as that. Suddenly realized I'm not a [ __ ] And I know what I'm [ __ ] doing. So now I'm just waiting for matey to deal with the [ __ ] insurance and all that [ __ ] And then hopefully half hour later or whatever, we can get the [ __ ] to work. Hopefully. Oh well. But life's a draw in my eyes at the moment. Jesus. Hey, what do you know? Wait back. All right. >> What a surprise. Wait for the insurance to pull back. >> The officer's attempt to escalate the stop with a vehicle inspection showed their desperation to regain control. The construction and use regulations, often referenced in EPG9 notices, require vehicles to be free of dangerous defects like sharp edges. But the driver countered this by noting the absence of such hazards. There is no sharp edge, the driver stated, dismantling the officer's vague claim about the missing door panel. This exchange highlights how officers may lean on minor or questionable violations when their authority is challenged. By staying composed and addressing each accusation with facts, the driver turned the officer scrutiny back on their shaky procedural knowledge. Damn, three of them. The one in front has stopped me. I've got two BMWs behind. There's one. And there's the second one. Jesus. Love it. >> So, I've got the insurer on the line at the moment or on hold. Um, he wants to know what the purpose of your journey is. >> I'm going to work. >> You're going to work? You're commuting? >> Yeah, I'm going to work. >> Home to work. >> From my apartment to work. >> So, your insurance is confirmed. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'm happy that um we caution you. So, you don't have to say anything. No harm in the defense. You don't mention when question somebody should later run in court. If you do say you may be given evidence, okay. Um you're not under arrest. Okay. You're entitled to defend when legal advice. Okay. And you and you're not being detained. Okay. Um, I'm reporting you for consideration of the question of prosecuting you for the offense of not displaying a front number plate. Okay? You don't have to say anything, but it may harm me defense. You can mention now something which you later in court may be given evidence. All right. In layman's terms, simple terms is I'm giving you a fixed penalty notice with a no number plate attached upon your car. Okay. That's that you £100. Okay. No points. If you choose to pay it >> within 28 days under section two there, detail how to pay it. Y >> at the bottom section three you can test it if you wish is your rights. >> Y >> okay you can do so if you choose to just make a paper airplane and throw it out the way of it basically that's what reporting is court for so you can be some support in relation to that events >> y >> any questions? >> Uh no I was just going to >> No, no questions. I was just going to say that it fell off this morning. I come out it was on the floor. I tried to stick it back on but it wasn't sticking. So >> Okay. Well, >> I'll put it where it is to get to work to get it fixed. If you wish to protest against court or that is entirely up to you, right? >> As is your right. >> Yep. I will do. >> Have a good day. >> Have a good day. >> Well done. So, what 50 minutes of my life being 100 fine for no front number plate apparently. So, I shall I shall be going to court because front number plate is there as it fell off. There is the unit that stopped me originally. So yeah, I shall go to court and enjoy contesting this [ __ ] And this is why you don't bow down to them. Go by the laws, go by the legislation, hold them to account, and just waste nearly an hour of their [ __ ] day as well. Whoop whoop. Ultimately, the driver's knowledge and persistence led to a minor fixed penalty notice rather than a more severe outcome. The Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 allows for fixed penalties for minor offenses like failing to display a number plate, stating, "A fixed penalty notice may be issued for an offense which is not an endorseable offense. The driver's decision to contest the 100B fine in court reflects a commitment to challenging overreach. By wasting nearly an hour of the officer's time and exposing their gaps in legal knowledge, the driver proved that standing firm with a clear understanding of the law can turn a routine stop into a masterclass in holding authority accountable. Like and subscribe for more police cam stories. Watch the next recommended video. Click to watch now.