This this ain't private. >> Get off my property. >> This ain't private, sir. We got I got the GIS survey. >> to go to jail? >> No no, sir. >> to go to jail? >> This is public. >> And they were saying that you guys were out here harassing customers and people that were trying to come and and do their business like they typically would at the bank. >> They can call about They can call about us all they want to, but we wouldn't harass any customer. >> They thought pressure would make the cameraman admit wrongdoing, but with the camera recording everything, it quickly became a test between power and the law. >> Don't get any closer to the building than this. >> And and what's going to happen? >> This is public. >> What's going to happen, Tyra? Huh? >> Okay. And so you're >> It's allowed by the Constitution. You you realize that, right? And that the memo of the post office. >> When police try to force someone to admit to a crime he says he never committed, a bigger question arises, who is really standing above the law? An independent journalist was simply filming outside a fuel company, but within minutes, things quickly became tense when employees inside panicked and immediately called the police. >> You You got some coffee? >> No. >> How about some a bagel? >> What are you doing? >> What do you mean? >> Do I need to call the police? >> Do you? Yeah, these people here are freaking out. These people here are freaking out, man. Absolutely freaking out. There's another one out there. She just sat down. Yeah, the police will be here in a minute, guys. Cuz they are freaking. She just gave me a wave. Yeah, they're freaking out bad. So, stay tuned. The police will be here shortly. I guarantee. This is NC Tiger Hunter. Trying to see if they respect my right to record in public, and they absolutely are not Now, I think they're going to see what we've got here. He's coming up pretty pretty fast. Oh, that's the sheriff. >> [sighs] >> What's up? Uh Yeah, you can ask. That don't mean I got to answer, though. Okay. Uh I'm doing a story on the gas company. >> The cameraman insisted he was standing on public property and even said he had carefully researched the property boundaries using a GIS map before coming there. But, the officer seemed to have no interest in that evidence. Then, the officer made a shocking statement that pushed the confrontation to an entirely new level. >> A self- I'm a private uh journalist, independent journalist. It don't matter, sir. What what's your name and badge number? >> My name's Larry Holland, and my badge number is 812. >> Larry Holland? 812? Hey. >> Where >> This is >> This this ain't private. >> Get off the property. >> This ain't private, sir. We got I got the GIS survey. No No, sir. This is public. >> Get off the Get off the property. >> This is This is public, man. I got a >> You can't stand in the streets >> I got a map that tells me this is public all the way to the >> You're getting any closer to the building than >> And And what's going to happen? What's going to happen, tyrant? Huh? What you're going to do? >> I'm asking you, sir. You didn't tell me >> You can't You can't get us for nothing cuz we ain't on private property. Ain't nobody's playing. Nobody's playing house. It ain't on nobody's property. It's on public property. He's going to go get the tag now. We got a tyrant on our hands, guys. Playing games. He said we playing games. >> Killing me in North Carolina. Gang tattoo. >> Yeah, he said we playing games. >> Gang tattoo. >> The argument over the property boundary quickly became heated. The cameraman repeatedly insisted he was standing on public property, while the officer maintained the exact opposite. Then the officer returned to his patrol car and did something that immediately triggered a strong reaction from the cameraman. >> Sir, it is if we own the property. We not We haven't been on No, we're not. I got a map that says we're not. No, sir. I can go all the way up to the door. >> No, you can't. >> Just Just cuz they paved it don't mean it's there. You hear what I'm saying? Okay, well you'll be falsely arresting me then. >> Is Jay Halling your son? >> Cuz it don't go It goes all the way to the door. The property goes all the way to the door. Already looked at it, sir. I do my research. >> Holy cow, man. Years of tyranny, huh? >> I do my research, sir. I don't trust fast. >> We have definitely found an expired case of bacon that should have been thrown out years ago. >> on public property with my truck, too. >> Unbelievable. >> looked at it. Looked on the map. Yeah, we got a tired cop here, guys. So I'm not arresting us for going on private property. >> Hey Halling, you're dismissed, man. Get out of here. Hey Halling, get out of here. >> him here with NC Street Name. >> Get out of here. Al Halling, get out of here. We'll be down to file a complaint in a little bit, man. >> Hey, he's going to stick around. He probably called it probably called a wrecker for my truck. Cuz that's just what kind of tired he is. Yeah, he's going to stay here until backup gets here. Y'all call the police department, guys. These These r- This is tired so Excuse my language. Sorry about the shaking. I don't have a I don't have my uh [ __ ] I don't Now he's trying to blind me. Now he's trying to blind me with his lights, guys. Get everybody in here. I need more people to watch this. I need more people to watch this. Please share this. Cuz they're going to do something stupid, man. I tried to tell him I got a map for the property. He's got his lights on me. He's got his lights on me to try to blind my camera. That's what he's doing. >> As tension still hadn't cooled down, the cameraman continued live streaming and insisted he had done nothing illegal. However, the presence of police and the repeated warnings made him believe the situation could escalate even further. And just as expected, only minutes later another officer arrived, this time with a completely different approach. >> Yeah, hang on. Hang on. He's a tyrant, dude. He's going to get somebody in trouble, dude. You lock him up. He already threatened to arrest us like five times. >> Well, >> for doing nothing illegal. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> No, I'm upset to me, man. Don't you think I'd be upset I'm doing a legally protected activity. Constitutionally protected. >> But, we got a call that you were out here. No one knew what was going on. >> Okay, that's fine, but he >> And he's just reacting to the situation where he's filming. >> But off the bat though, sir. Sir, off the bat he was aggressive, dude. Talking about arresting us. Didn't even ask no question. >> Okay, well, I wasn't here. I'll check into that. But what I'm saying is I'm just telling you what we got. >> a day, man. I'm investigate. Yes, I I would be worried if you didn't. >> Couple people called. And [snorts] like I said, would you not be nervous if I was suddenly come up with cameras and all this stuff? >> out and ask you. He asked me what I was doing. I told him I said I'm I'm doing a story. >> got out of the car. He got out of the car. >> That's all I said. >> standing in the street and walked in immediately taking his side without even >> Their property I got a map that tells me where their property is at. Their property goes all the way up to the door, if you want to know the truth about it. But I'm not going up that far. We were standing just enough to be out of the road. >> in front of this black truck here. >> Yeah. >> And he's telling me I'm on a private property. >> Can you see how we would be upset about that? He come out on arrest us off the bat. >> Well, that's because of the type of call we got. >> That's fine, but I know, but he can't do that. >> him know that it's not a big deal as long as you're not on their property. >> Right. >> That's what I'm about to >> Okay, but he didn't do that though. He come out the door talking about get off the property. You fixing to get arrested. >> Okay. There's a disconnect between the >> Right. Right. Right. If he'd have come out like you, dude, we would Man, we'd probably be gone already. You know what I mean? Cuz you I mean you you sound like you know what you're talking about. >> Right. Well, what we're going to do here, I'm going to go in there and tell them what's going on. >> Absolutely. I'd be worried if you didn't. >> All right. And that's all I'm going to do is I'm going to tell them you have the right to be out here on the street >> Thank you, sir. He needs He needs to slow his man. I'm telling you. I'm I'm not trying to tell you what to do, but he is super aggressive off the bat. >> Well, I'm still probably going to have him sit down and make sure y'all don't do anything else. >> That Hey, you can stay here all day. >> All right. Well, >> Yeah, he didn't allow I'm glad I got I got a badge. I mean, you can see it. I'm I'm with a >> When the second officer joined the conversation, the tense atmosphere from earlier seemed to calm down somewhat. But just as the discussion appeared to settle, the cameraman suddenly brought up an important detail about the property boundary. Could this detail completely change how the situation is viewed? >> You're not making me famous now. >> You You, sir, are are handling the situation correctly. He did not. And that's why I That's why I went live cuz I was in fear. I was in fear. I was absolutely I absolutely was in fear for my life. Huh? Where do you get media credentials from? I guess from whatever company Yeah, you can't I I got credentials. I got credentials, but it don't >> If you would, because that's part of our property. >> Hey, sir, I got a map in my pocket now. It Their property goes about halfway to that trailer. I already looked, sir. I'm not calling you out, you know. I got I do I got a map in my We We We probably going to leave anyway here in a minute, okay? >> Okay. >> Cuz the story's done got messed up. Uh we'll we'll stay here for a couple minutes, finish our story, do narrating and stuff, >> Okay. >> and then we're going to take off. >> All right. Well, I was just saying that that's the only thing they had issues with. >> I know, but you But they need to know I know where the property line's at. They must not. Half of that trailer's on public property. I can show You want You want me to show you the I can show you the map. I understand, but again, we going to we going to take off here in a minute, okay? >> Okay. We're trying not to make it >> No No was made at that moment, but what happened in just a few short minutes raised many questions about how law enforcement handles situations involving the right to film in public. Up next, with just a camera and a few minutes standing outside the post office, a cameraman unintentionally triggered a strong reaction from people around him. What is it about a simple camera that can make so many people lose their composure? >> He don't want the camera pointed at him. >> I'm going to go to that post office and tell him what you're doing. >> Go. He wants to beep his horn at me. Let me get his damn license plate. Yeah, he wants to beep the horn. Get his license plate number. He didn't like the camera too much. Yeah. >> There's a guy out here trying to fight. >> I think you live 48 Wisconsin more than West Palm Beach. >> That's your manager? >> Says it was. >> There's a guy out here video taping and he's sticking his middle finger up at people sitting in the back of his pickup truck. What he like? What's so funny? >> I'm laughing at the situation, sir. >> Yeah, well, he's out there pointing sticking his middle finger up at the station manager. >> Arguments began to break out and before long, someone decided to call the police to intervene. Meanwhile, the cameraman continued live streaming and insisted he had done nothing wrong. The big question now was, when the police arrived, would they respect the right to film in public, or would the situation quickly turn into a whole new confrontation? >> Yeah, that's creepy. He's got some Jason mask or something. >> Stop taking pictures of my [ __ ] car. What's wrong with you? >> Excuse me? >> What's wrong with you? Why you coming near my car? >> I'm just walking around filming whatever I see in public. >> Yeah, well, I'm filming you, too. >> Did you get my permission to do that? >> No, did you get my [ __ ] permission? >> Do I need your [ __ ] permission? Yeah, I suggest you watch your mouth, buddy. >> You better watch your mouth. You got to be careful. >> You better be careful, buddy. >> Well, if you come on in here, cuz I'm I'm a customer here and I don't deserve that. >> News for there's this new product out there just for this sort of thing. It's called butt hurt cream. >> You people don't All right, I'm >> You people? >> You watch this. >> Yeah, watch this what? >> All right, so what is he doing? He already called Yeah, don't I don't have to just leave. That's that's That's how things don't get straightened out. >> No, do you realize that's a constitutional thing, right? Right? That's the first amendment. You have the freedom of expression. >> No, I'm I'm a customer here. He doesn't He's not allowed to do anything >> Yes, he is. There's rules and regulations called "Rules of Seven" over here on the board, and it says that he's allowed to record in here. >> For what? >> Yes, sir. >> I can bring you tissue paper if you need it, sir. >> We got the cops called on us. >> They're going inside. >> I'm not going in. I'm going to stay out here. >> What did they do? There's two of them. They wanted to get that one. >> Yep. >> You got another one pulling in behind >> I'm live. >> Good, good, good. >> [clears throat] >> We got the cops coming on this guys. They parked at the post office. I didn't even go in. >> Yeah, yeah. >> After the police arrived, they quickly brought up the accusations from the post office claiming that the filming group was harassing customers. As both sides began arguing about constitutional rights and the complaints from citizens, the conversation gradually became more tense and what happened next only caused the situation to heat up even further. >> Hey guys, who was it that called us? >> I don't There's a There's a black guy that was cussing and hollering. He just took off. >> Yeah, he was in that cream colored uh uh >> We didn't call you. >> Well, evidently what happened is a representative from the the post office called us and identified guys that that fit your description to a T with cameras [snorts] and wearing dark clothing and everything else. One missing a vest. Um and they were saying that you guys were out here harassing customers. >> No. >> trying to come and and do their business like they did over at the bank. >> None of that happened. It's all recorded. >> That's not you. So So there's a >> No, no, they No, they can call about No, they can call about us all they want to, but we weren't harassing no customer. >> Okay. Well, they Unless you have business here, which they said that you did. >> plenty of business here. >> Actually, we did cuz I got it in my pocket right now. >> Okay. Well, what's in your pocket right now? >> None of your business. >> This is stamps. >> Okay. Well, do me a favor while I'm while I'm while I'm talking with you just for officer safety, you keep your keep your >> Keep your hands out of your pocket. No, no, sir, can't do that. It's kind of cold. >> You're not willing to do that. >> We can't do that. >> It's kind of cold. Okay. It's cold outside, but So So what business do you have up here at the bank? >> I'm doing my business right now. >> Let's see it. What's in our hands? >> Right here. >> Okay. And so you're just >> This is allowed by the Constitution. You You realize that, right? And that D and the memo of the post office. >> Yeah, the post of seven. Let's not forget post of seven actually says we're allowed to record here. All right. In in recording and in in >> Waters? Sergeant Waters? >> That's not Waters, it's Walters. >> Walters. My hey, I I'm dyslexic, man. >> In in recording and in interacting with somebody who who who doesn't want to be interacted with >> Nobody talked to nobody. They they started talking. >> And and I I appreciate it. I mean, I'm I'm giving you the utmost respect. >> Yeah, and I appreciate that. But but but you can believe them >> Oh, yeah. >> But we got it all recorded. I didn't say nothing to nobody. I wasn't even inside. I was outside. >> Okay. I mean, what if you had if you had to concisely say what what are you guys doing? What >> We're we're doing a story on the post office. That's what we do. >> Okay. >> We're journalists. >> The conversation gradually shifted into a debate about constitutional rights and different interpretations of the accusations from citizens. As the discussion went deeper into this issue, the atmosphere at the scene continued to heat up, leading to an even more tense exchange shortly afterward. >> On a a story on the on this post office in particular? >> I do a story on a lot of post offices. >> What's that? >> I said I do stories on a lot of different post offices. >> Okay. And so you're saying that that you weren't you weren't the guys? There's there's another film crew right here today? >> I don't know. You have to look. I I don't know about no other guys. >> We're not cops, so we don't know, man. We don't know what you're talking about. >> And there was truly no harassment. >> Harassment means a ongoing incident. >> I don't I don't know that I caught your answer. Are you saying that there was there was another film film crew here today? >> I didn't say that. I told you I don't answer those types questions. >> Okay. So you're you're just going to cherry pick and pick and choose what what you decide to answer. >> No, I'm not cherry picking nothing. I want to look at what the journalist has to say about this. >> Uh-huh. I'm speaking to the with this gentleman here cuz when when I initially tried to speak to you, you you you acted like you didn't hear me, so >> I have a bad ear. >> I'm I'm going to >> Do you >> Yeah. >> That's unfortunate. >> Do we have to answer your questions? >> I got zinc in my eyes, so my ears ring all the time. >> Do we have to answer your questions, sir? >> All right. And and and you're just You're just out here filming on the sidewalk. >> We just We just out here filming, man. That's all it is. Yeah. This What What we're legally allowed to do. >> Okay. And and are you Are you interacting with people that are coming up here? >> I don't answer those types of questions. I don't answer those types of questions. >> Okay. Well, I mean, evidently because like I said from the beginning, we got called from the post office. We just didn't decide to come up here and have a conversation with you. >> I get it. >> We got called and summoned here by a complainant at the post office. >> Okay. >> Who is in charge of this building, who did not want you all up here doing that. And so what we're trying to figure out >> What they do and what they don't and and do want is is none of their concern. As long as we're doing it legally, and we're absolutely doing it legally, okay? That's what we're doing. >> Right. But then when we have other folks that aren't involved, that aren't affiliated with the >> They get their feelings hurt. They get their They get their feelings hurt. They They get their feelings hurt and call you. They're getting their feelings hurt and calling you. That's what happened. >> There's usually a trigger for somebody to get their feelings hurt. >> This right here triggers a lot of people. >> What would you think that that would be? >> This right here, camera, has triggered a lot of people. Absolutely. >> So the accounts we've gotten from from the citizens that are >> At this point, the conversation was no longer just about the initial accusations, but had shifted to a bigger question. How should the line between constitutional rights and citizens' complaints be understood? And as the debate began to wind down, one final detail in the exchange was about to clarify how the situation would ultimately be handled. >> Sure, you called the deal. Their feelings got hurt because we're recording them. That's all. That's it. >> And so any any citizen that that were to approach us when we first got here and said that you were harassing them and using foul language and gestures. >> Well, once again, since since since they don't got a constitution in their pocket, they probably don't understand what the legal definition of harassment is. Would you agree? >> What if they're lying to you? So, y'all just going to hang out right here for right now? >> Uh are you detaining us? >> I'm asking you a question. >> detaining us? I've asked you a question. Am I detained? >> I'm asking, are you just going to hang out right here? >> detained, sir? Yes or no? I'll take that as a no. So, I'm free to move about like I please. >> He just contradicted himself though. He talked about they Everybody knows what a constitution is, but he expects everybody knows what the legal definition of harassment is? >> Yeah, I guess. I don't know, man. >> They When when All because they say harassment don't mean that >> Automatically, when somebody gets butt hurt because we're filming them, it's harassment. They They call the police. The police should tell them we got a right to do what we're doing, but they're instigated and keep going with it. That's what they do. See, we just had We just had her. She just said, "Are you Did you put them cameras over to my car?" So, evidently, they don't They're not telling them that we got a right to do this. Evidently, not telling them. >> No arrest was made, and the officers left after confirming that the filming group was operating within the law. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section [music] 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who break the law may be required to pay damages [music] and could face disciplinary action or even termination. 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