Who? You. Who? You. License? >> Your ID. I don't drive. No, I don't have a license. Okay, do you have an ID? No, sir. What's that matter? Huh? What's that matter? Because during a traffic stop, I can ask if there's any weapons inside the car, and failure to provide a truthful answer to that can result in a fact. >> A midnight traffic stop, an ID request with no clear reason, and just minutes later, everything begins to spiral out of control. You have no ID in this country. What? You have no ID at all. In this country? Yeah. Of course. Okay. I'm American. Where is it? Driver. Yeah. May I see your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please? Because of a vague accusation, this traffic stop quickly turned into a heated dispute over constitutional rights and potentially a major court case. A traffic stop that seemed completely routine. But less than 30 seconds later, everything began to spiral out of control. A vague accusation, a confusing question, and from that moment on, a chain of unexpected events began. License, registration, insurance. Yes, sir. How you doing? Look at this guy. Look at this How you doing, bro? How's it going, man? All right, you've been recording, all right? Huh? You've been recording, okay? Okay, me, too. Okay. Got you. You got me. All right, reason I'm stopping you, man. Couple things. You want to just roll this down a little bit? I'm all right, dude. First thing. You were crossing over the center line at least three occasions, all right? Excuse me? You crossed over the center line, double yellow lines, at least three occasions. Okay. Second thing is the reason I'm stopping you, really, is your partner over here just throwing stuff out the window. I don't know what it was. You threw out like a packaging or something, wrappers or whatever. Yes? Yes, what? I'm talking to you. You talking to me? Yeah, you threw something out the window. You tell me? Yeah, I'm telling you. What did I throw out the window? Packaging. A package of what? I don't know. How could I >> So, if you don't know, what is wrong with you? Come on, man. Okay, do you have your license on you, bud? Who? You. Who? You. License? Your ID. I don't drive. No, I don't have a license. Okay, do you have an ID? No, sir. You have no ID in this country. What? You have no ID at all. In this country? Yeah. Of course. Okay. I'm American. Where is it? In my house. Why is it at your house? Oh, this guy. I got to have it on me? So, this is the thing. You're littering, so you committed a crime. I need to identify who Littering what? A wrapper. I don't know what it was. So, if you don't know, how am I littering? Okay, listen. You need to take it from like up here to down here, all right? Okay. All right. I need to know what you're throwing You need to know what you're throwing out the window. You got to walk back there and find out, and then you could charge me or something. >> Okay, listen, bud. I need your ID. I just told you. >> What's your name and date of birth? I need that information. Yeah, I can't give you that information. Okay. You're making this a little bit harder than it really has to be, I'll be honest with you. >> I be making it that hard? Is it because I'm recording you? Say again? Is that because I'm I'm recording you? >> No, I could care less that you're recording me, bud. The what you're doing is your attitude, you know what I mean? You're getting mad at me because you threw something out the window. No, I'm not mad at you. I'm out the window, and then you're saying it's a package, you say you don't know. I saw you throwing something out the window. You heard what I said? What do you think? But you heard what I said? It doesn't matter. What you mean it doesn't matter? It does not matter. You don't know >> Something came out of your window. >> Something came out of my window. You're good at repeating. >> What if it was saliva? The same question is asked again and again, but each time it comes with a different explanation. What started as a routine traffic stop no longer feels ordinary. And then, with what seemed like a very simple request, the situation suddenly takes a completely different turn. From that moment on, authority is put on the table, and the limits of that authority begin to be tested. Stop yelling. I'm telling you right now to stop yelling. >> about that, but I speak like that. No, you don't. I What? What's your first name, bud? What's your first name? Your first name? Call your sergeant, supervisor. I'm the supervisor right now. You're the supervisor right now. I need somebody above you, cuz you don't know the law. Nobody above me. I don't know the Nobody above you? Who's above me? I need somebody above you, cuz I ain't giving you none of my information. I'm I'm okay remaining silent. I'm remaining silent. I'm remaining silent. >> or I detain you, I take you down and fingerprint you to get your ID. I'm remaining silent. >> you're So, that's nothing new, all right? It's really simple, bud. What's going to happen >> just finish your stop with him, cuz you're you're taking it out on me, my guy. I'm not taking it out on you, but you threw something out the window. >> That was the secondary [ __ ] that you said, and then you said it a package, or it could be saliva, or it could have been a heart. One of those things or a smoker. Not one of those things. >> I'm I'm pretty sure it was that. >> Okay, so this is what's going to happen. >> I just need somebody above you, my Really simple, there's no one above me. >> I need somebody above you, cuz I'm going to remain silent after this, if that's what you want me to do. That's fine, but let me just explain to you. What's going to happen is right now you're being physically You're detained on a traffic stop. You're going to be physically detained, handcuffed. I'm going to take you down, get you fingerprinted so I can identify who you are, and issue a citation for littering. Okay? Pretty simple. Pretty You guys are going to be paying for >> can just be cooperative, I get your name and info, I find out who you are. That's fine, I don't care. That's fine, I don't care. >> Why wouldn't you? Care about what? About 300 people watching you doing your job. Why why do I care? What? Why would I care? You hear this guy? That's pretty simple. I need to know who you are, identify you. When I identify you, if you got no warrants, whatever, I give you a written warning Littering what? >> Choices are presented, but they sound more like ultimatums than solutions. The voice lowers, the words grow heavier, and the pressure begins to fall squarely on one person. And as the line between cooperation eyes turn to the next moment. Because from here, just one more step, and nothing will go back to the way it was. I wasn't littering. I said I spit out. >> Okay, I need your name and date of birth. >> I'm not giving it to you. You can arrest me. We're going to take it the long way, and then I'm going to sue your ass. And I said it on camera. Not your camera, no, I did it not litter. I didn't throw nothing. I spit. You spit? I spit. I spit. It was a big ass saliva. Okay. Why you turn your camera on? Yeah, we need all that. We need all that. We need all that. We're going to follow your request on all that. >> All you guys have to do is be cooperative, and you guys would have been out of here by now. >> going to the casino, man. >> that. It doesn't matter at this point. We're just going to the casino, sir. I need to identify who he is. Okay. I understand, but we're sir. >> We come here every weekend, we come from the casino. >> That's fine. That's fine. That's not a problem. That's fine. You can talk to me. They want us to They want to put me in handcuffs. I bet you that's what they want. I don't want to do that. I don't want to let him do that. I'm trying to say, listen, this is the [ __ ] casino. We're not going to the casino. You're going to take me out of the [ __ ] precinct. Do it. We're going to follow your request, every single thing, and we're going to sue. >> simple, DUDE. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THEY SAID MY [ __ ] SALIVA. I was recording. Okay, fine. I don't want to That's what you want. If you give me your name, you're not going IN HANDCUFFS. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. THAT'S ALL I NEED, BUD. It's simple. It's really simple. >> to get the same attitude I'm getting. Do you got the point? Do you got the point? Listen, bud. Exactly. Listen, it's really simple. If I get your name and date of birth, you're not going to be arrested. You're not going to be arrested. >> cuz you don't know what you're doing, my guy. So, you're going to lock me up, and you're going to violate my rights, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ARREST ME, and do everything you're going to think you have to do, my guy. It's all right, but You're not going to be able to go to jail. I just told you I recorded every single thing. I spit out. I shouldn't have told you that. I don't even know why the guy >> [music and singing] >> I don't know why I told him what I did, but let's let him assume that he don't know what I did. >> I'm cold. Listen, it's really really simple. I just told you where we're going to go, all right? He's going to give me out, you're going to give me whatever you're going to do, bail or a ticket. How much is the ticket? How much is going to be the bail? That's not We're just going to the casino, sir. Okay. What I All I need to do is identify It doesn't matter. You're I pulled you over. No, he pulled me over. They all hate my mom. All of them. You ain't the first one, my guy. You're going to be the like the third one who's going to pay me though for that [ __ ] >> That's fine. Listen, bud. I don't care about anything that you're saying. I just need your name and date of birth, all right? No one backs down. Every answer is scrutinized, and even the smallest action could for a much bigger move. And when the only options left seem to be silence or confrontation, the real question is no longer who is right, but who will make the final decision. I'm going to give you my name. Okay, perfect. I appreciate it. I'm going to give you my name. My name is Elijah. What's your first name, bud? My name is Elijah. Elijah? Yeah, E L I A Z E R. E L I E Z E R. E Z >> You know why I don't give you my information? E R. E R. Elijah. Let me tell you why I don't give you my own my info. Why not? Because I committed no crime. Okay, that's fine. >> So, if I see you asking me for all that [ __ ] I see you as a criminal, you know what I mean? That's >> That's my point of view. You committed a crime. Okay. Against me. Absolutely not. I complied, I gave you my name. That's my name. And let me tell you something else. What's your first name, Elijah? out. I didn't litter. I spit out. >> Okay, we have a difference of opinion, okay? I understand. Hold on, sir. You threw something out of your window. I told you what I threw out. I'm a package or whatever. I just told you I wasn't going to give you my first name. I need to identify you. I can't Your first name I just told you what I was You You know what I mean? >> Listen, after I told you that, you said okay. You said you're going to give me your name. >> I said I'm going to give you my name only. You said okay. Now you want my last name, my address, my social. I'll give you everything, but you're going to put me in handcuffs, sir. Listen to me. Listen. Now you got your point. I don't want to do that. got like two I get that. What's his name and date of birth? My name is Elijah, Elijah Elijah, that's it. Just do what you're going to do, so he can follow you and go get me to the precinct for for littering or for whatever you're going to That's how it's going to work, bro. That's how it's going to work. I want you to put your your [ __ ] handcuffs on me. I swear to God, man. I swear to God, cuz I was recording before you pulled us over. >> It does not >> He's on me. He don't like my voice. Hold on, bud. What is your name and date of >> I just gave you my name, man. Hold on, bud. What is your name and date of birth? >> violating by doing Okay, you're >> Cuz you're supposed to protect my information. If I don't commit no [ __ ] crime, man. You did commit a crime. You were I didn't. SO, THAT'S [music] YOUR OPINION. MY OPINION is I didn't. How you got me over there? When everything comes to an end, the arguments fade, the threats disappear. What remains is silence and questions still waiting for answers. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers found to have violated those rights could face compensation claims, disciplinary action, or even termination. Up next, a car is suddenly pulled over by a Phoenix police officer on a quiet road. But just seconds later, what seemed like a routine traffic stop quickly turns into a tense confrontation captured live on the internet. You're being videoed and you're on camera. I'm going live. You're being videoed and you're on camera. I'm going live. Hi, sir. I'm Officer Lara, Phoenix PD. Any weapons inside the car? Any guns, knives, or anything like that? What's that matter? Huh? What's that matter? Because during a traffic stop, I can ask if there's any weapons inside the car and failure to provide a truthful answer to that is grounds for arrest. So, this is a traffic stop? Why aren't you asking for a driver's license and saying what we did wrong? >> is there Is there any weapons inside the car? I don't answer questions. Okay, that being said, may I see your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please? For? It's a traffic stop. Yeah, but you stopped me for what? What was the traffic infraction? Sorry? >> What was the traffic infraction? >> coming northbound on 27th Avenue. Huh? And also somebody shined a light for me from this vehicle. >> Dash cam? >> You don't think that You speed my ass. Yeah. You were speeding. I saw you. >> Yeah, I'm allowed to speed to catch up to a vehicle, sir. I just wanted to make sure that everybody was okay inside this car cuz I also got a a bright light from the inside of the vehicle. So, hold on a minute. So, is it speed or is it a bright light? It was both, sir. Well, you good? He's putting it in to make sure it's in park. All right. May I see your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please? For for a light? I'm driver? Yeah. May I see your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance, please? So, you're lying about my speed. Okay. But you're pulling me over for something I don't have control over. >> Why don't you call your supervisor while you're at it, too? Yeah, I can do that, too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to do it. Are you the registered owner of the vehicle, sir? Yep. Okay. Go and do it right now while we can see you do it so we know you called. >> no. All I have to do is present it to you. Hey, woah. What the [ __ ] >> license? You can see it right there. Hey, get your hand out of his car. >> out of my car and you're trying to take my [ __ ] All I have to do is present it. >> Holy [ __ ] Let me see your driver's You're live on the internet. You better chill out. I can't see your driver's license. Use a flashlight. >> have to give it to you. Wow. You [ __ ] [ __ ] The argument over the reason for the stop is growing more intense. The driver keeps demanding a clear explanation while the officer insists on seeing the documents. But then, in just a few seconds, an unexpected action happens right at the car window. That single moment immediately causes the situation to explode. Get your supervisor over here now. You [ __ ] up. You Are you serious? Hey. Big mistake. Hey, can I see your insurance, please? Big mistake. It's on that phone. Wow, that's a Fourth Amendment violation reaching in here. I'll go to court. Go write your tickets, punk. We're going to go to court. I'm going to be his witness, too. >> Okay. Okay. Wow, [ __ ] The law is actually stating that I don't have to give it to you. That was dumb. I can't >> No, you don't. No, you don't. Do not have to give it to you. You're tripping. You better read the ARS. Yeah, you have a flashlight right there. >> not have to be able to read it. Yeah, and when it's against the window, you can You never did that. >> Wow, these people are I was trying and you reached in my car. I can if you're [ __ ] holding it if you're not trying to steal it out of my hand. This is excellent. Okay. Okay. All you had to do was provide me All you had to do was continue on your [ __ ] way and not get triggered by a light. The only reason you're detaining us right now. Yeah. You're stupid, bro. Write me a ticket for speeding. Go write the ticket and [ __ ] off. This is civil. Ain't nothing criminal has happened. Go write a [ __ ] ticket and [ __ ] off. You know I have discretion whether or not to write a ticket. So, go write it then. Let's go to court. I'd love to go to court. Dash cam that [ __ ] showed how fast I was going and that you said I was speeding and that's your [ __ ] reason for pulling me over. >> And also the light That's not a reason to detain this vehicle, you [ __ ] And so you Not with flashlights, idiot. It's simple. It's still a traffic stop. Now you have It's not a legitimate traffic stop. And your license plate is improperly displayed cuz I can't read it from the It's called a bike rack which is legally allowed to be on there. Okay, but I have to still see your license plate. Then walk up to it and look at it. Drive right behind it and look. >> Hey, why don't you just keep coming up with dumbass infractions, bro? Write me a ticket then for the obstructed license plate, too. >> Keep coming up with dumbass infractions. Come on. The people in the car repeatedly accuse the officer of violating their rights while the officer continues trying to maintain control of the situation. But the story doesn't end there. Just minutes later, the confrontation shifts into a tense interrogation over the evidence and the real reason for the traffic stop. Yes, you can. No, you can't. I've seen plenty of license plates from 50 ft away. I don't think you know what 50 ft is. We're in Phoenix. See your license plate. Go [ __ ] yourself. I want to see my license plate cuz I [ __ ] look at it every day when I walk up to my car from work. Hey, all I need is another 3 minutes out of you. All I need is another 3 minutes out of you. Keep bumping your gums. Keep bumping your gums. >> a lit I'm in a lit up parking lot at work. I'm talking about at night. You can't see anybody's license plate from 50 ft away. >> Yes, you can. Just stop talking to this dude. He's a [ __ ] idiot, bro. We've already filmed him. I already know you're an idiot. Okay. You can't detain a vehicle for getting flashed with a flashlight. That's not a lawful or illegal reason to detain somebody. That's a Fourth Amendment issue when you stop a vehicle. If there's not a traffic infraction or a criminal activity or a crime that you saw happen, you cannot detain this vehicle. [music] You are literally violating the Fourth Amendment right this moment by detaining this vehicle and then articulating that it's because of a light. We were not speeding and we have proof of it so you're a liar. You are a liar. You are Why do I need to let you talk? You're just going to try to lie some more. The license plate, the the license plate, your speed, the light. What else is it, bro? What else is it? Nobody wants to get your attention. Yeah, but nobody was flagging you down. No, they don't. was because of your speed. Now you're saying you're not speeding. How did How did Hold on. How did you determine his speed? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's what I like How did you determine his speed? How did you determine his speed? He passed like 20 >> you determine his speed? You were facing a gate when I hit you with the light. So, how did you determine his speed? How? How? How? How there's got to be mathematics involved. >> How? Okay doesn't answer my question. How? How did you determine his speed? This is what the judge is going to ask you. How did you determine his speed, officer? [music] After a barrage of questions about how the speed was determined, the officer seems to be put on the spot. The people in the car continue to apply pressure, insisting that everything is being recorded and could be brought to court if necessary. But just as the argument appears to reach its peak, an unexpected development suddenly unfolds. I really don't want to have to give you a citation for something that you can demonstrate. Yeah. I don't have the card. It's on the phone. I don't remember >> You shouldn't have detained the vehicle, dude. You shouldn't have detained the vehicle. Yeah, yeah. >> You're busted. Go insurance. The [music] only way for you to fix this and mitigate issues is to walk the [ __ ] away, dude. Walk the [ __ ] away, bro. >> [snorts] >> Oh, we got another one coming. All right, come on. I'll show you how mean they are. Watch. Watch. I'm going to show you how Just Just tell me and they are. This is my boss, Sergeant Hernandez. Uh-oh. Is he going to escalate? Yeah, I I mean, are you here to mitigate or escalate? I might know what's going on. What? My problem is is him reaching in here to grab a license from me. Well, I mean, that's that's a secondary issue. That happened after the initial pull over. I mean, uh He's telling me he pulled me over for a flashlight and then now it's speeding, but there's can't justify any way of speeding. So, there's no real way of justifying any stop here and then he just continues to go with oh, now you're [ __ ] obstruction of your license plate. That's a bike rack. That's exactly how the bike rack's supposed to fit the vehicle. So, I don't know. >> reason for the stop was make sure everybody's in here. Flashing a flashlight, make sure everybody's here or something. Yeah, so that's just "Hey, you okay?" Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> And that should have been it. There shouldn't have been any demand ID. And then the state law says that I just need to present it. So, as I'm trying to put it to the window, he's reaching in here trying to get it. So, now we're playing a game of tug-of-war. Fighting for it. Now, that's a violation of my fourth amendment. >> guys like [clears throat] being on on the internet? I mean, we've done this flashlight [ __ ] for year over a year now. And here we are getting getting baited into it again. So, this detainment from the initiation is not lawful. So, when he realized that he should have walked away, but he escalated it into violating the fourth amendment by breaking the barrier of the vehicle without permission and without lawful reason to do When the sergeant finally arrives, it seems like the situation might cool down. But instead of ending quickly, the conversation opens the door to a new debate about the law and proper procedure. And while both sides continue arguing back and forth, the officer appears to make a final decision. So, this is just an extension and a further detention of our our detainment on our fourth amendment, man. This is a big deal. This is a court issue. Like, you want to you want to make it a bigger issue, you want to write a ticket? Let's go to court. Let's go to court cuz then it becomes retaliation. After you've already realized what's going on, now you continuing to push the issue. So, you should be like, "Yeah, you're wrong." and boogie. Or write your ticket and let us go. [music] The further So, so hurry the [ __ ] up. So, give me a second and part of the part of the thing that you can request also, you can request the transmission of my radio traffic. When I told my dispatcher that I was pulling you over, I also informed her that the license plate was obscured. So, if you want to see that I'm actually telling you the truth, feel free to request a copy [clears throat] of that and you will see that when I initiated my code six, I told my dispatcher that I'm going to be stopping the vehicle and that I didn't have a license plate because the license plate was obscured. Well, tell the judge that. I mean Yeah, yeah. Just tell her right now cuz this is going to be evidence. Say, "Your Honor, I was following the law. Even though I'm a traffic enforcement officer and I'm supposed to understand traffic laws that are well established, qualified immunity. Qualified immunity, boys. We don't like it in Arizona. Should have just set this on the roof. It's metal up there, right? Yeah. So, the one citation I am going to issue today is the improper display of the license plate. That's the only one we're going to go over today, okay? Well, that's the only one you have any hope of sticking in [music] court. So, a good choice. See, we know how to play the game better than you guys now. You still can't issue a ticket on an unlawful detainment, genius. License at 11:00 a.m. 200 West Washington. You can do one of two things there. So, in the title 28 code, you guys, there are exemptions for bike racks and things that are normally allowed to be put on your vehicle. And it's written into the ARS. After nearly 20 minutes of tense arguing on the roadside, the officer finally makes his decision. A citation is written, but for the people in the car, the story clearly isn't over yet. Will the truth be revealed [music] in court? Or is this just one of many tense encounters between police and citizens captured on camera? In a civilized society, power is not meant to impose, but to protect. And the law is not meant to create fear, but to ensure fairness for everyone. Hey, everyone. What do you think about [music] this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. 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