What's your name? >> detained? What is your name? >> Am I being detained? What is your name? >> I'm going to assume no. What's that? I'm going to say don't you touch me. Don't you touch me. Am I being detained or am I free? For what crime? For what Is that a Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? Is that a Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? A small call, a rushed decision, and a confrontation with a citizen quickly turns into a legal dispute. Yes, you are being detained. Under what probable cause? Under what probable cause? Am I being detained or am I free to go? Am I being detained or am I free to go because I need to go get this guy's car number and license plate. When allegations of abuse of power arise, every word from the police comes under scrutiny, and the consequences may not end that day. Just seconds after the conversation began, the atmosphere completely changed. A simple question about identity quickly turned into a tense confrontation right on a public sidewalk. I'm doing well. What's your name, sir? Who are you? I'm sorry? It's not that That's not the way this goes. >> you? I'm Sergeant Barry Antrim, Fort Wayne Police Department. How are you? Good. What's your name? I didn't give it. I know. I want to know what your name is. >> care what you want. That's not That's not the policy. I I I I don't I don't care. Then why don't Why don't they come out here and talk to you? They will in a moment. Okay. Go ahead. Am I being detained? What's your name? >> Am I being detained? What is your name? >> Am I being detained? What is your name? >> to assume no. What's that? I'm going to say [music] hey, don't you touch me. Don't you touch me. Public servant, don't touch me. Look, public servant, you don't touch me. All right. You don't touch me. Or else what? You don't touch me. I will file a complaint. You can file a complaint. Don't touch me. >> [music] >> You're being live-streamed. Nope. All right. Stop. No. Am I being detained? Yes, you are being Am I being detained? That's not the way this goes. I don't care what you think. >> Okay. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. I'm not No. I don't care. I don't care what they want. That's not the way this goes. I understand that. Show me the law. Okay. I understand that. Show me what What have I broken? What is your name? >> What law have I broken? Okay. What law have I broken? It doesn't even close until 3:00. Do you understand that? >> What's your name? Do you understand that? >> What's your name? What is your badge number? 1647 >> to file a complaint with Officer Reed. That's okay. And your internal affairs department. >> That's okay. You don't touch You don't touch me. Okay. I did not touch you. >> Yes, you did. I have it all live-streamed between three cameras. Okay. Don't touch me. Not to mention the other ones that are watching you right now. Okay. Don't touch me. You have no right. Why won't you give your name? >> I have no I have no business to give you my name. Okay. I haven't broke What ordinance have I broken? What's your name? What ordinance have I broken? What is your name, sir? Have I committed a misdemeanor? What is your name? >> Am I being detained? Yes, you are. For under what probable cause? Okay. What is What is your After several tense minutes of dialogue, the situation was far from over. As the cameraman continued questioning the authority and reasons for being held, more officers began to arrive, making the atmosphere even more intense. suspicion that I've committed a crime. >> your face covered. It's cold outside. I have gloves on. It's cold outside. You don't have your gloves on. >> I can't operate the camera. I've been doing this and sticking it inside my jacket. Well, you didn't have it so cold. I've been alternating. It takes video as well as uh pictures. I can alternate between them. So, I'm going to reach out to uh 600 on Tac 9 advise them subject is refusing I'm not refusing to ID. I'm I'm saying I haven't broken a law. not complying with our request for ID. Am I being detained? Yes, you are being detained. Under what probable cause? The Secret Service Under what probable cause? I haven't committed a crime. I haven't It doesn't matter. You have to If you have to detain me, then I'm leaving. What am I being detained for? What am I being detained for? What am I being detained for? What am I being detained for? What's your name, officer? What's your What is your name, sir? My name is Detective Tagmire. What is your badge number, sir? Thank you. What reasonable articulable suspicion? Why don't you get the chief down here? Chief's busy. Well, tell him Tell Mr. Reed to come down here. He knows who I am. Tell the chief to come here. 600 620 Tell the chief to come here. Let the Secret Service know that subject is failing to identify >> I'm not failing to ID. uh refusing to identify >> I'm not a 34125 3.5. That's not it. It's not failure to ID. You haven't told me what crime I've committed. Okay. Just a second. I don't want No, they're talking in my ear. You're not going anywhere. Don't touch me. >> You're not going anywhere. Why am I being detained? Why am I being detained? You haven't given me probable cause to for me to be detained. Just a second. I don't need probable cause. Yes, you do. You need reasonable articulable suspicion. That's right. Yes. What is it? What is it? >> What crime have I committed? What crime? Of what crime? You can't hold me for you're not sure. No, you cannot. It's called a Terry stop. No. Then Terry frisk me. After a barrage of questions about authority and the reasons for the detention, the tension at the scene still hadn't cooled down. As the debate shifted into deeper legal issues, the divide between both sides grew more strained. Then an unexpected moment pushed the confrontation into a whole new phase. Where it is. Nope. It's a cursory search. How dumb do you think the public is? I don't think they're dumb at all. Yeah, I've got three officers here. I think they're anticipating >> Yeah. Yeah. Three officers. I'm out here taking video and pictures. Where's the crime in that? We're just following >> Where is the crime in that? Then tell them to either come out here and I'll tell them the same thing I'm telling you. That camera has 42 power zoom lens. You couldn't have got your pictures across the street? I can get them from right here. It's the same public sidewalk. You could get them from over there. >> So So, I could I could get them from Google Earth, but I didn't. I got them from over there. That's not a crime. It's not a crime. It certainly raises suspicion when >> It doesn't matter if it raises suspicion. Not a crime. No, it doesn't. It's not a crime. It's not It's suspicious activity. Is that a misdemeanor or a felony, sir? Suspicious activity It misdemeanor Misdemeanor or felony? It's neither. It That's right. It's neither. So, I haven't committed a crime. No, but that doesn't mean we can't talk to you. Yeah. Well, you can't detain me. That's the thing. What's the Secret Service advising? You don't detain citizens and you don't You don't touch them. You don't touch them. You don't touch citizens. I couldn't hear you. Don't get any closer to me. Or else what? You're invading my personal space. >> Or else what? What do you think is going to happen? You tell me. >> You tell me. You're the one who wants to lean in like you want to kiss me. The only thing I can do is go backward into traffic. So, if you're trying to If you're trying What do you think I was trying to do till you tried to be Johnny-on-the-spot and move over here? Until you tried to be Johnny-on-the-spot and prevent me from coming away from the street. You're not serving and protecting. Did you take an oath? Did you take an oath to protect the United States citizens? Did you take [music] an oath? Sir, I'm talking to you. Did you take an oath? Did you take I don't care what you're doing. Did you take an oath? I'm talking to you, public servant. The dialogue showed no signs of cooling down as both sides kept arguing over authority and legal boundaries. But what caught the most attention came next. More officers arrived, and the situation began to shift in an unpredictable direction. What's your badge number, sir? You don't need to know that. It's in your policy. It's in your policy. He's still here on scene. He's still here on scene. It doesn't matter. He's still on scene. What's your badge number? So, when I file a complaint, he was witnessed to you battering me. Battery? Yes, you touched me. You You touched me. You touched me. Did you feel pain? You touched me. Emotionally, maybe. Because you cannot touch a citizen. You can't. You can't. If I touched you that way, even with a finger, even if it just touched your clothes, I'm going to jail. >> You already did that. I did not. I did not. >> You touched me? No. It's all on camera. I did not. As soon as the Secret Service clears you and then clears that you're no threat to the President of the United States, then you can >> I'm trying to be out of here before 3:00 before the road closes. So, I get my car out of here. Do you want me to stay all night? Do you Do you want me to get video all night? Then let me go. Are your instructions What crime have I committed? What crime have I committed? Am I being detained or am I free to go? What reasonable articulable suspicion do you have? You can't do that. You have to have reasonable articulable suspicion. What crime have I committed? What crime have I committed? What crime have I committed? It's a broken record. It's going over and over. No. Well, because I need to know. You can't articulate a crime. Why don't you just get the chief out here? He'll clear it up. No, he won't. Yes, he will. No. He has tasked us to deal with this. Well, you ask You go ask him to come here. No, he's busy right now. I'll identify you to the chief. Okay. I'll identify you to the chief. You get the chief out here, I'll talk to him. Just when it seemed everything was starting to settle down, the story was far from over. As the officers began to change their approach and the situation took an unexpected turn, the cameraman kept asking questions that made the atmosphere even more unpredictable. From detainment. You have to release me from detainment. [music] It's not up for me to make a decision whether or not I understand something. It's up to you to release me from my detainment. Am I being detained or am I free to go? Thank you, sir. I don't care to hear your lip. I'm not on the sidewalk. How's that? No, you have a terrible day because I'm going to file a complaint with your department. Wouldn't be the first one. Well, I I I already know that. I already know that. I already know that. I I've heard your name before. I can't cross here. Are you Are you Are you going to escort me across? Are you going to escort me across? Oh, let's Okay, let's go down here. As far as I need to go, away from this guy who's who's trying No, I'll determine where I cross at. You have a ticket though, you're still welcome to go in on the other side. Do you Do you still have a ticket or do you have a ticket? >> I'm not answering any questions. Even though you've been professional. I'm not refusing you to enter the building if you have the ticket. >> Service hasn't written has not done that. Why are you following me so close? I mean, you're being watched. They're telling me that you're following me real close. Do you have your hand on your gun? Did you have your hand on your gun? Okay, cuz this camera's watching you. What are you calling me? I don't know, John. >> Okay. I'm not answering your questions, but I I I mean, is that Is that Is that Is that a derogatory? Are you calling me something derogatory? I'm addressing you Please, I want to Is that like John Doe? What? All right. After all the prolonged arguments and tension, the confrontation finally came to an end. But its echoes still remain. Questions about authority, conduct, and legal boundaries are left without clear answers. Up next, just minutes after the camera began recording outside the federal post office, an unexpected exchange broke out. Questions about identity, the right to film, and legal boundaries quickly turned the atmosphere tense. Don't block my shot. No I'm closing [ __ ] today. That is a church. It's a round building. I'll try to get some more footage as I go to that corner. Good morning. Huh? I said good morning. I'm sorry. I said I said I said good morning. So what's up? You videotaping? Yes, of course. Anything I can see from the public sidewalk. Okay. For what reason? Uh Who Who are you? I'm sorry. >> manager here. So I'm curious why you're videotaping my carriers. The manager of what? Of the station. Are you a federal employee? I am. So if you're going to interact with the public, is your name the manager? Is that how you would refer to yourself to the judge? What are you doing here? Who are you, sir? Are you not going to identify yourself as a federal employee? Pardon me, to the public. I mean, that should be in your policy. What you were doing or what you were videotaping my employees. Well, I want to know who you are and make sure that you have the proper credentials for me to have to answer you. If you're a federal employee I can call the local police and have them come out here and join us. Um again, I've said this before. You You can You can call Bugs Bunny. I mean, I I I don't I don't care. Well, yes, I'm going to continue to film. I have no idea who you are. You won't identify yourself. Have a wonderful day. This? It's a It's a camera. No, they actually called the police on me right now. For filming employees that work for the public. After a heated argument with the postal employee, the situation showed no signs of cooling down. As a call was made, patrol cars began to arrive, pushing the confrontation into an entirely new phase. What would happen once the police officially stepped in? What I'm doing, I'm conducting a First Amendment audit of the uh post office. I'm here to make sure that the uh federal employees that we that we employ are doing the job in a alert and professional manner for the public. And uh they seem to think that me standing on public property and filming is somehow illegal. So. If you don't want to If you don't want to If you don't want to talk to the cops, they're going to be here any minute. Oh, [ __ ] I ain't worried about no cops. Well, neither am I. That's why I'm going to hang out cuz I don't want to run. Then I'm just going to get tased or shot, right? So I'm just going to hang out. Chicken poop. They say it contains no real chicken poop. I haven't tasted any yet. As soon as the police arrived, questions about authority and the reason for the stop quickly reached a peak. But instead of calming things down, the dialogue grew even more tense as both sides kept challenging each other. Good morning. I'm Officer Aguilar with the Fort Wayne Police Department. Do you have a badge number, sir? 1873. Sir? We got a call >> Who Who Let me tell you why I'm speaking, sir. Who are you, sir? I'm not speaking, sir. I'm going to tell you why we're here, okay? I mean, will you please According to your code 2.1 .12, you're supposed to identify yourself by employee name and badge number as well as the PE number. So may I please have your name and badge number, sir? I'd like to know whom is contacting me. I'm investigating this this call. >> Sir? Sir, are you going to be in violation of your code? So you want to go ahead and do that. Sir? Can I ask you why you're why you're here? Am I being detained or am I free? For what crime? For what Is that a Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? Is that a Is that a misdemeanor or a felony? Suspicious activity, misdemeanor Is it Is it Is it Is it a misdemeanor? This is Sir, Mr. Aguilar, this is this is this is 101 police procedure. Am I being detained for a crime? Right now you're being Am Am I being detained for a crime? I'm wanting to know what crime it is. >> Just keep trying to talk over me, okay? Okay, will you please tell me what crime? Okay, but but you detained me. You detained me. But but you can only detain me when there's a crime. You can only detain me when there's a crime. You can only detain me when there's a crime. You can only detain me when there's a crime, sir. What crime have I committed? Please. Look, can you I'd like to speak with the supervisor. Okay, because he won't identify himself for one by name and badge number. You are kind. You are not. You are required by your code. I even gave you the code and the number. 2-1.12 of your of your code, class F. Says you're supposed to identify by your name and badge number. Is that Is that true? Is that true, sir? What is your name, sir? Sir, please tell me who I'm being contacted. If you're If you're Are you Are you in a costume? Being Being so close If If If If he's here under Is he Is he I'm going to go this way, sir. Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am Am I being detained? After a barrage of questions about detention and identification rights, the tension at the scene still hadn't eased. As the cameraman kept pushing for clear answers, the conversation began to shift in a more unpredictable direction. What would happen next as the pressure kept building? We'll file a complaint. I see that you can talk. You were talking to him. Are you not going to identify yourself, sir? My name and badge number? Okay. Plate number 19351. 19351, car number 170. I have car's number 073. Sir, I'm going to ask you again, will you please identify yourself? Well, I [snorts] don't need step one foot on the property. Okay? Well, I don't need you to tell me that. I've been doing that all morning. Will now now will you tell me who your backup's name is? Now will you tell me who is who your backup is cuz I need to know his name and badge number. Part part of his code. I still want a sergeant here because he's in failure to ID. He is failure to ID to the public when asked. It's in your code. I even gave you the code number. Please get your sergeant here for this man's failure to ID. Name and badge number, sir. I'm not going to ask you again. Will you please get your sergeant out here? I'm requesting a sergeant. You're a public servant, sir. Okay, you work for the public. You work for me. I am working with you. I stayed. I I even told you where I was going. I didn't leave. I told you I was going to go get his plate number because he's failure to identify. Part of his code. After tense moments of argument and a series of demands for explanations, the scene seemed to calm briefly. But the story was far from over. As a supervisor arrived, questions about responsibility and how the situation was handled began to surface more clearly. Good morning, sir. How are you doing today? I'm doing well. Uh well, you just I just had a couple interactions with a couple of your officers here on a I guess it'd be a code 48. They're very respectful except one of your officers was in failure to ID. He would not ID himself. [music] Uh I I I asked him several times. Well, I just wanted to know who he is. Um you'll take that up with internal affairs. Okay, I mean I even cited the code and uh 2-1 1.1 code. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. No, I just wanted to know who the officer was that came here and was in failure to ID. If he was one of your troops, I He is one of my troops. Okay. All right. I mean I I get that. I understand that. That's why we called and we just simply asked Did you not read his name tag uh name tag? Uh he was very far away and it was hard to uh to get a good read on his name. I don't remember what it was. Okay. I I don't know if he The information was there for you though, right? If I was able to read. He doesn't He doesn't He doesn't have any way of knowing whether or not I could read. Thank you for your time, sergeant. When the supervisor personally arrived and listened to the concerns, the situation shifted into a calmer direction, but questions about authority and accountability still remained unresolved. Citizens may file a Section 1983 lawsuit when their rights are violated and officers found [music] at fault could face compensation claims, disciplinary action, or even termination. A civilized society is not measured by its confrontations, but by how we resolve differences with understanding and responsibility. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? 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