Why am I recording? >> Yeah. Could I just ask? >> Yeah, of course. Of course. >> Yeah. >> Well, let me ask you a question. Do you support the Constitution? >> Um, >> well, because because that's the problem. In the in the state of Florida, even on public ground, you have to walk you have to have either >> just one action crossing the line. The law is bent and the rights of the innocent instantly become the target. >> So, if I was walking by, am I supposed to just float over this part right here? No, you can walk across it, but for you to exercise your right, you have to be on the sidewalk that they built. Yes. >> Okay. >> And also because of the fact that this is associated with Homeland Security, that's one that's the secondary reason why JSO is here. Do you have your ID? >> No, I don't. >> When police break the law, what they destroy first isn't the public's rights, but the very badge they wear. A person recording video was present in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, standing on a public sidewalk in front of a legal cannabis dispensary. No one expected that what seemed like an ordinary recording would escalate into threats, insults, and even a call to the police. >> Oh boy. >> Hello. Hi, friend. >> What's going on? >> What's going on? >> How are you? >> Pretty good. How are you doing? >> Not too bad. >> Why are you recording me? >> Why am I recording? >> Yeah. Could I just ask? >> Yeah, of course. Of course. [music] >> Yeah. >> Well, let me ask you a question. Do you support the Constitution? >> Um, can Why are you I don't feel comfortable asking question answering any questions to be honest with you. >> Okay. All right. >> But can I ask why you're recording now? No, I'm not. I mean, I just asked you a question. I I really don't feel comfortable answering questions either. >> Okay. Well, I just want to let you know my customers don't feel too comfortable with you like recording them without their consent. I >> mean, I don't really need consent, so to say. >> Um, you're just going to stay out here all day and us >> maybe. >> Okay. Now, loitering. You sound like a a law scholar over there. I don't understand. I don't understand. Just came out right away like you had a new development on a crazy story. In just a few short minutes from suspicious stairs, everything quickly escalated into threats, anger, and a loss of control. Before the tension had any chance to cool down, the familiar sound of sirens filled the air and the story shifted into a completely different chapter. Oh boy, here we go. I got two of them. A serious situation going on here or something. >> What's up, my man? >> How's it going? >> I'm assuming I'm here to talk to you. >> I have no idea. You just out here practicing your First Amendment rights? >> That's it. >> Okay. Can you do me a favor? Just step onto the sidewalk. >> No, onto the sidewalk. So, >> this whole this whole thing is a sidewalk. >> No, this this is so curvy that they have to pay for. >> Let me ask you a question. Right. So, if I was walking by, am I supposed to just float over this part right here? >> No, you can walk across it, but for you to exercise your right, you have to be on the sidewalk that they built. Yes. >> Okay. >> So, just on the like that 2 ft that way 6 in. Really? >> Yeah. >> Really? Yes, cuz they they have to pay to install this. This is their curtilage. They're responsible for >> that. Doesn't matter. This is this is still called the public right away, my friend. >> So, can you just hop on the sidewalk? >> What you're telling me? What you're tell Just let me let me hear you out and make sure we're on the same page. >> So, are you saying that I'm going to be arrested if I don't move over? >> No, that's not what I said at all. I'm just asking you to step onto the sidewalk so that you're within your within your rights to >> I'm within my rights exactly where I am. >> Okay. >> All right. Do you have any ID on you, my man? >> No, I don't. >> ID? >> No, I don't. Okay, cool. >> You have a YouTube channel or anything like that? >> No, I'm not going to answer any questions. >> Okay. >> Started out a lot better, man. >> What do you mean? >> I mean, I look you you look so you know you know I'm exercising my first amendment right. So, you know, like you can't actually believe that I can't stand right here. Look, I'm not I'm not blocking any traffic. I'm not blocking any pedestrians or causing a disturbance or anything like that. for for you to tell me that I can't exist right here and then say, "Do you have an ID like that with it?" Come on, man. That's not how you started. I' I'd like to continue how you started cuz you started very well. >> I'm I'm I'm confused, I guess, on What do What do you What do you mean? >> What do I mean? Yeah. >> So, look, I'll I'll walk you through again, right? So, you started off correctly. Said you just exercising your First Amendment rights. >> Good. >> And you said I need to move over 2 feet, which is incorrect. Completely incorrect. By the way, >> when the police arrived, everything seemed to be under control. But certain questions made viewers stop and wonder. Was this law enforcement or a dangerous misstep? Just a few feet on the sidewalk, one question about identification, and the atmosphere began to change. The line between enforcing the law and crossing it became unbelievably thin. >> I you know, and then you ask me for my ID for what? You know, you know what you need to get people's ID, right? You need probable cause or reasonable suspicion. >> I don't need probable cause to ask you for your ID. I can ask you for your ID. It is your right to deny me access to the ID. Correct. So, did I do anything wrong? Am I am I demanding your ID? >> No, I didn't I didn't say you demanded. What I'm saying is, you know, you're just you're walking up to somebody. You know what I'm doing? And you still you still have to >> honestly I don't have an issue with what you're doing, man. I just want to I don't want to get run over over here. Uh, I don't have an issue with you, man. So, >> I would hope not. >> No, I don't. You >> took an uphold You took an oath to uphold the Constitution. >> I did twice. >> There you go. Are you a military as well? >> I am. Yes. >> All right. >> So, we're here on behalf of the business, obviously. >> It's kind of crazy. >> What's that? >> I mean, you show up on behalf of a business to tell me that I stand on a sidewalk. >> Well, no. No, I mean obviously your actions filming people going in out of the business. Business owners don't like that. So that's why >> So they call more people with more cameras and guns to to their dispensary, their weed dispensary. >> It's a it's a call for service, man. I've got to come here. >> I know you don't get to decide. I'm just I'm trying to show you where my thinking is. You >> No, I get it, man. I get it. >> So yeah. >> Could I uh could I just get the CAD number for the call? I I don't need you to write a report or anything like that. Just the CAD number. >> Yeah, man. I'll get you the cat. Yeah. >> Appreciate that. >> Not Not a problem at all. >> What's your uh what's your partner's name? You know, >> uh that's officer Diaz. >> Diaz. >> Yeah. >> And you were Jordan. >> Yep. Jordan. Badge number 249. He's 306. >> Sweet. Awesome. >> Yeah. You know it right off the bat. You know it right off the rip, man. That's good. A lot of people don't even know their bone badge numbers. Nonetheless, they're partners, too. Oh, >> man. That's how we That's what you use the the dispatch and that's what we use for our designators. Okay, >> anything occur on that side of the thing? >> Stay out of the drive so we don't get run over by cars. All right. >> Well, like are you talking to your >> No, no, no, no. You just Oh, just me. >> Yeah, the director. I'm going to go grab you that cat call number and then we'll get out of here. All right, my man. >> Appreciate that. >> There were no raised voices, no obvious pressure. Yet, the silence at this moment was more telling than anything else. Once every argument had been laid on the table, the question was no longer who was right or wrong, but whether this situation would end in the familiar way. A detail that seemed insignificant at first became the very point that closed the entire story. >> Call for service numbers right there, man. >> Sweet. Any questions, comments, concerns for us while we're here? >> You know, let me let me ask you, if I just for future reference here, so if I'm like on the sidewalk here and I see somebody like singing or praying on the sidewalk and I call the police, are you guys going to show up or >> So there there is a city ordinance that prohibits people from blocking the sidewalk for passerbys. Okay. So yes, if you would like to call us, we can show up just like we did this, figure out what we got, make the determination at that point. Okay. If it's a misdemeanor that didn't occur in our presence and it's something you're willing to sign a citation for by complaint, then we can fill out that paperwork. You sign the citation and the two parties will have their day in municipal court. As long as you're not a tribal member and uh you know, obviously you or the other person involved are tribal members and that that would have to be referred to the tribal court. Okay. >> For that purpose. Okay. >> Cool. >> Hey, you know what? I appreciate you trying to be professional and end it correctly. You know, I like I said, I deal with a lot of I deal with a lot of bad police, but I I like to I like to point out and give credit where credit is due. So, I appreciate you, you know, handling it a little bit better than it could have gone. >> No, man. I I >> And I'm glad I'm glad to just see we're on the same page. >> When the call When the call came out, I was like, man, they didn't we didn't get a lot of good details as far as inside outside. I had a vague idea of where this was at. I didn't realize it was fenced. >> Thought process here. He's on the side. Watch go publicage. But you do your thing, man. Any questions for me? >> That's it, man. Hey, can I can I ask you? Let me ask you. When you went in there and you talked to him about the situation, you didn't use the word unfortunately, did you? >> No. >> Not once. >> Uh, I I don't remember saying unfortunately. I don't remember the whole conversation. They asked me if there was anything we could do about you standing out. Told them there's not cuz you have a First Amendment right to be out here. Okay. >> It's public property. >> Uh, they said, "Well, why is he out there?" And I said, "It doesn't really matter cuz he doesn't have to have a reason." >> There you go. So >> there you go. >> All right. Hey, Mr. Diaz, I appreciate you, man. Thank you very much for being professional. Thank you for being cool as well, Mr. Jordan. Anything else? Have a good day, man. >> You guys are You guys have a good one. >> No one was handcuffed. No one was arrested. But sometimes the fact that nothing happened is exactly what deserves the most thought. The biggest question still hangs in the air. If this camera hadn't been here today, would it have ended the same way? Citizens can sue police under section 1,983 when their rights are violated. Officers who break the law may be held financially liable and face discipline or termination. Up next, a citizen stood on public property in Florida recording a chemical plant and with just one opening question, "Do you have ID?" It set off a conversation that neither side expected. called Sheriff's Office. >> Yes, sir. >> Reason why I'm here today is I got a call from um we got dispatched to this location. They were having some concerns about an individual that was take some photographs of of this plant. Apparently, you had members of or you had employees at this plant. Uh wanted to get some identification. Apparently, you told me that you were with a uh you're a reporter of some sort. >> Yeah, I I was just out here getting some pictures of the plant, International Flavors of Fragrances. I mean, they make a lot of the uh flavors and fragrances that are in everyday products, perfumes, uh everyday drinks, and I just thought it was pretty interesting. Most people probably don't know that that this is here or what they do, >> right? >> So, uh I was just doing a a story on the plant and uh what they do, and I was trying to get some uh >> Have you talked to anyone from the from the employees? >> No, no, no. I haven't talked to Well, only person who came out. I talked to the Allied security. He was the only one that came out. I haven't talked to anybody else, though. >> Okay, very good. Um anyways, the the other reason why we're here is because this is a uh this is considered a secured site. Um it's associated with um with uh the homeland security [music] as a result of which it's one of the reasons why I'm here to one to investigate what what you're doing just to see what's going on and also because of the fact that this is associated with Homeland Security. That's one that's the secondary reason why JSO is here contacting you. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um do you have your ID? >> No, I don't. Uh, do you have any form of identification? >> No, I'm not. >> Do you have I'm I'm All right. So, I'm on I'm on public property. I'm not on their property. >> Um, I'm not going to identify myself. I haven't done anything wrong. I'm on public property taking pictures from a public space. If anything, I can see in public. >> Who do you work for? >> I uh I'd rather not say. I mean, I'm I'm I'm working on this story and when it's published, I'll uh y'all know. Confident assertions were made, sounding reasonable until someone mentioned the law. The atmosphere suddenly shifted. The conversation was no longer just casual questioning, but turned into a bigger issue. Who truly understands the law and who is deliberately misunderstanding it. From that point on, the story was no longer about whether there was an ID or not. Um, so you you can't even tell me the uh the name of the publication or the or the international or the uh internet magazine that you're working. >> No, sir. >> I mean, I I don't see why I would need to. >> They wanted You have to understand there because of the security connections that are with this company. That's one of the reasons why I'm here. >> And so I'm just trying to put their >> and and I told him that, hey, I have no ill will, no ill intent. I'm not going to come on your property. I'm going to stay out here on the public rideway. I have I have no intent to to to uh interact with any of the people that work here. I just want to take my video, my photos, and publish my story. >> Okay. But you don't want But you you don't have any identification on you or you don't want to show it to me? >> No. Well, both. >> Well, because because that's the problem in the in the state of Florida, even on public ground, you have to walk you have to have either a driver. That's not true. >> That is true. >> No, sir. >> I don't have to show it to you. I don't have to show you my ID. I've done nothing wrong. >> I'm not suspecting I've committed any crimes. >> Okay. >> 901.151 Florida State statute says I have order for me to give you my identification, I have to have been committing a crime, have committed a crime, or about to commit a crime. >> I've done neither. >> Well, you do need identification on you just something should happen to you, >> right? I can give you my information if something happens. I don't have to have a state >> issue incapacitated. >> What would happen then? >> I you know I I don't know. >> Well, have you thought about that? >> Not really, but I mean >> I mean just just in case, god forbid anything should happen to you. We I mean I'm sure there would be family members and stuff that want to know exactly what's going on with you, >> right? The hospital could find that out then. >> How would they if they didn't have your identification, sir? >> I mean, all of that doesn't even matter. I mean, we're we're talking about whatifs here. That's true. I mean, that's the whole reason why I carry my ID. That's why that's why Officer Gross carries his. >> Well, I don't carry my ID because police officers tend to uh want to just take it from you. So, that's why I don't carry my ID. >> But then that police officer would be doing something wrong, >> right? >> So, what would be the problem about carrying an ID around? >> I want my privacy respected. >> That's very true. that that police officer violated. >> I'm not I'm not going to give I'm not I'm not going to give a police officers the opportunity. >> Words that sounded reasonable were repeated long enough and gently enough to make someone start questioning themselves. Am I the one causing the problem here? But just when the conversation seemed to be heading toward a safe resolution, another question emerged, pushing everything into an entirely different level. That may be, but I'm just saying that it might be a good idea to keep your ID with you. >> Well, that's your opinion and and you're entitled to it. >> Well, that may be, but I'm just saying it's just it's I would I would hate to have I would hate to have a situation where I came across an accident or something. There was some guy rattled out in the on the ground and I had no idea which way. >> I I do tell my my my uh my co-workers and my family what I'm doing, where I'm at. You can do fingerprint. But I mean it would just be a whole lot quicker for that person who is in capacity. Just make sure there's some form of identification. That's what the family members will be, >> right? But that that's that's that's my option though. I mean, if I'm dead, I could really care less. >> Except for the family members that are trying to figure out. >> But I mean, they'll they'll they'll they'll eventually know where I'm at, what I'm doing. I mean, >> wouldn't you want your wife or or I would like to have my wife know exactly where I'm at if something should happen. >> They know exactly where I'm at, what I'm doing, how long I plan on being here, all of that. I'll call them when I'm done doing what I'm doing and they don't hear from me, then they they can start calling the generally I'll call the uh the uh police department in the areas. >> But how to look for if you don't have a if you don't have any identification? >> They can give a description of me. Look, I mean, I'm pretty >> generic. >> Yeah. No, I wouldn't say generic. I'm I'm I'm short. I got a big beard. >> Your average height? >> No, I don't see I mean I'm not average. Look at me. I'm short, dude. Come on, man. Look at >> the average height is about 5'5 in this country. >> Well, okay. I guess I'm average then. I guess you're right then. >> I'm 5'5. So >> I You got a good point there. >> Appreciate it. >> Not quite. >> What's your name badge number? >> My name is Austin Berford. ID number 66783. >> There was no longer heated debate, only statements repeated with an air of reasonleness. But sometimes that very persistence is a signal that another move is being prepared. And at this moment, all eyes begin to focus on a choice that no one wants to say out loud. >> Appreciate you guys being uh professional and courteous. >> Okay. Um just it just be a great idea. A better idea if you had it before. >> Yeah. >> I mean, like I said, >> a lot of interactions I have police, they just if I do have my ID on me, they just go inside my pockets. Even if I even if I consent to a wrist, which I don't have any weapons, nothing on me. I don't carry anything on me for that point except for my keys. That's the only thing I carry on me. Uh but uh if I did carry on it, a lot of officers have overstepped their bounds, gone into my pockets. Even me can sit into a pat down, not a search, which means you can't go into my pocket. They've gone into my pockets. >> What that is? >> I understand. I'm not saying you don't, but I'm saying other officers have gone into my pockets, taken my wallet out, and taking my ID out. So, I've learned not to carry that. >> It's a shame. I know. I mean it is a shame >> that it's come to that. >> I don't think that would work in your advantage. That's the only thing in case something should happen, >> right? But you're going to leave and my privacy is still going to be respected. I believe I believe it it has worked out in my favor. >> I know it's just in that off chance if something incredibly tragic happened. >> Yes, sir. >> The first responders would be able to at least notify your family members because they know exactly who they're dealing with, >> right? And as a family man myself, and I don't know if you're one, if you're one or not, I know that my family would definitely appreciate where to go to in case I should be found on the side of the road completely incapacitated because I can't speak for myself. I don't have any identification on me whatsoever other than my fingerprints. God forbid if I get burned. >> Yeah, I understand. I understand. I understand where you're coming from. I I just hope you understand where I'm coming from. >> Yeah. Um I I don't. But I mean, I can understand your point of view, right? >> I just don't agree with it. I >> And you know what? Beautiful thing. We don't have to agree. >> Agree. It is. It is. But it's um I mean, at least put something on the in your shoe or something. >> I mean, I guess I could do that. Yeah. I mean, that that's a fair point. >> Or or like in the inside of your head, something. >> Yeah. I mean, you're right. In the military, we have I was in the military and we we carried things different place in my boots. Right. Yes. >> Exactly. All right. And and you know, even if you don't want to put your ID in your hat or something like that, just something some sort of >> at least a name or something. Yeah, I can see. >> The encounter ended in silence. No one won. No one lost. At least on paper. But the question remains, if the person standing here today didn't understand the law, what would have happened? When the law is misunderstood, arbitrarily interpreted, or used as a tool of pressure, the line between maintaining order and violating human rights becomes dangerously thin. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? 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