[laughter] >> Let me see your ID. Sergeant Christian Rogers. >> No, your ID with your address and all that on it. I'm about to commit a crime or have committed a crime. That's Florida Penal Code 901.1. I don't have to I don't have to give you my No, you're not showing my ID. No, can I see your ID? Not committing a crime, yet still being asked to show identification. When authority is exercised without a clear legal basis, the consequences can go far beyond a brief argument. Post office was kind of concerned. One of the other businesses around the back was a little bit concerned. They thought your behavior was a little bit suspicious with the the filming and everything. >> It's probably the shirt. Okay. Do you have any ID on you just so I know who I'm talking to? Demanding ID without a clear criminal charge isn't standard procedure. It could be the first step toward a lawsuit costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just standing there filming outside a police station. But within minutes, the atmosphere heats up as questions about authority and civil rights collide head-on. Yeah, that's for that property right there, I believe. For this property right here. Where? Right here. Oh, it's right here? Yeah. So it says that all Pembroke Pines police officers are authorized to advise any person to leave these premises. Yeah. Failure to leave after verbal warning may result in arrest. So you think it's private property? I got to do it. I'm all right, brother. How's it going? No, thank you. All right, can I see your ID? >> [laughter] >> Let me see your ID. Sergeant Christian Rogers. No, your ID with your address and all that on it. What you want to see my ID for? You're filming [music] our police station. Can I see your ID? Is that against the law? Yes, sir. That's against the law? What law is it against? I'm authorized to ask for it. Cuz I thought Florida I thought I thought Yeah, I thought Florida Penal Code 901.151 states the only time I must present ID to you is when I'm in the commission of a crime, about to commit a crime, or have committed a crime. That's Florida Penal Code 901.151. I don't have to invest I don't have to commit a No, you're not saying my ID. No. Not until you can Not until you can tell me what crime What crime have I committed? Right. So, what crime am None of your business. None of your business. You're not saying my ID. Okay. You don't need to identify me. Who are you? What's your name and your badge number? What's your badge number? Thank you. What's your name and your badge number? And your name and your badge number? Yeah. And your name and your badge number? Thank you. You would like to identify. No, you're not. Well, you're going to violate my rights to do so. But, because Florida Penal Code 901.151 states that the only time I need to give you my ID is when I'm committing a crime, about to commit a crime, or in the process of committing a crime. So, what you need to do is give me reasonable articulable suspicion that I'm breaking the law. The atmosphere slowly begins to heat up over what seemed like ordinary questions. But, within minutes the conversation turns into a confrontation over the law and the limits of authority. And then, without warning everything escalates as more officers step in pusing the situation in a direction no one saw coming. It's not The Supreme Court ruling photography in itself is not a crime. And this is a government facility and I have every right to come out and record you guys in the course of your duties. So, what crime am I breaking? You said that five times. You don't need to know. Who are you? The Supreme Court is over you, buddy. You don't Trump the Supreme Court. We can film this without you liking it or not. You're laughing, but you're sitting up here you're going to let your ego violate my rights. I'm not having an ego whatsoever. >> You're going to let your ego violate my rights cuz you're telling me you better not be disrespectful to me. You're a public servant. You better not give me a hard time. You're a public servant. And you're going to respect me as the public and you're not I don't have to respect you, but I haven't disrespected you. >> No, you're I'm asking to get your identification. And I'm telling you and you're asking me and I'm respectfully declining. No. You're not getting my ID because I don't have to because you haven't shown me yours. It's not your police station. It's our police station. This is our police station. It's not your police station. You work here. I allow you to work here. You allow me to work here by paying my taxes, giving you employment. It's a big to to get a response like this from people who think they can just come up Let me explain. You asked me a question. Now you're going to let me tell you. To get a response from a law enforcer whose job is to enforce law, not come out and demand ID from law-abiding citizen. It's suspicious No, I don't. No, cuz the Supreme Court said you can't you can't deem a lawful activity suspicious. Probably. But that don't make that don't make it suspicious. It's It's alarming us. It does To whose definition? Okay, well let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Is suspicious a felony or misdemeanor? Suspicious? Yeah. So it's not a crime, so it's not a law, so you don't have anything to enforce. Okay, but is that against the law? I didn't say it was against the law. >> Okay. At this point, the debate is no longer just a simple exchange of questions. It has turned into a tug-of-war between the right to film and police authority. Repeated demands for names, badge numbers, and legal justification heighten the tension like never before. And then, the situation suddenly shifts unfolding into a new development that leaves everyone watching closely. Name and your badge number? Your name and your badge number? Thank you. What is your name and your badge number, sergeant? What is your name and your badge number, sergeant? Well, then you can't walk and make sure you don't talk to me, then. I'm not getting his name and his badge number like he's not a public servant. Make sure you don't talk to me, then. Well, so he's a sergeant as well and that's how he behaves in front Is your body cam running? Is your body cam on? You don't have a body cam? But why? Okay, but give me Florida penal code 901.161. Give me that penal code. Hey, man. Hey, man. Why you walking up behind me like that, man? That's not cool, man. Don't walk up and you got a weapon a gun, man. Don't walk up behind me like that. I know he be cool, but I'm just saying don't walk up behind me like that. No, you're making a scene. We didn't approach anybody. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 police officers, but we're making a scene. A $300 phone. This is a Galaxy S7, buddy. This phone was $900. So what? To come out I told you already. I told you already. I wanted to come out and exercise a free right. Freedom. I wanted to come out and exercise freedom and see how this guy is going to respond to me and that's exactly what happened. No, I don't want to talk to you. You didn't want to identify yourself. I don't want to talk Anything you can say to me, you can say in front of my my uh friend here. Because until then you guys tell me what law I'm breaking. You have no authority over me. Right. So and again, I'm going to say until >> I break the law, you have no authority over me. >> And he's a sergeant. And he's a sergeant. But after we told you that I didn't want to ID you You told me I was going to give it to you. No, really. We just want to record and be left >> After several tense moments, the atmosphere seems to calm, but beneath that silence remain a host of unanswered questions. As both sides begin to shift their approach, the encounter moves into an entirely different phase where every word and action has the potential to change the outcome. I was hoping you would leave so I'm talking to him talking. Yeah, we're all done here. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I really wish you guys would have never approached us either just say hello, how you doing? Cuz this is the this is the image that the rest of the world is going to see of the Pembroke Pines Police Department. >> they're going to see of you. Thank you, sir. Okay. All right. So, we can record, right? We ain't got to ask you. I know that. I just wanted to hear you say No, you was not uh South Carolina was fussing at me, guys. >> [laughter] >> Hey, but I see you, man. You all right, man. >> I appreciate you, partner. You a good dude, man. I wish you could stand up, but we understand. >> I'm sorry, man, but I appreciate [music] what you do. Thank you so much. >> [music] >> They tried us. They really tried us. It didn't work out that way. The Pembroke Pines Police Department, folks. Pembroke, Florida. I don't think there's any need to go to the front, do you? There's no there's I [laughter] kind of want to go to the front now. I kind of want to go to the front now. Hold on. What does that say? It says, "What is the bottom line?" Right there. What's the The line? Beyond this point >> [laughter] >> We were live? Oh, we were live, guy. That was awesome. >> No, I was just recording on my phone. Oh. crazy. And there was four sergeants out there and they all they all allowed that type of behavior. Eight officers in all. They were saying And say that we were creating a scene. We So, you were right. That lady in that crime scene van switched on us. >> [laughter] >> And she was not going to she was not turning in there at all. Look, it's still circling. It's still circling. Look. You're late. Big Nick South Florida Accountability with my brother News Now South Carolina. Ben Brook, we're here. The confrontation comes to an end. No sirens, no arrest, >> [music] >> just lingering looks and unanswered questions about the line between authority and individual freedom. Citizens may file a lawsuit under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers found to have overstepped could face civil liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. Up next, a conversation that seemed ordinary outside the post office quickly takes a turn when questions about identity and authority begin to surface, and the atmosphere instantly becomes tense. Can I help you? Get a Gatorade, get a bottle of water? No. Then you can't help me. No, sorry. What are you doing? What's this? A film camera. What's this? I don't know. Camera. What's that? Camera. Okay. I just want to I mean, who are you? Postmaster. Postmaster. Is that what you tell a judge? Is that what I tell the judge? >> Yeah, if you if you were to tell a judge, "Who are you? What's your name?" Greg. Okay. I'm the postmaster here. Okay. Okay. Is there a reason you're filming me? Huh? Yes. And can I ask what what it is? >> You can ask anything you want, sir. And you're not going to tell me? Probably not. I mean, am I under any obligation to? I haven't seen any ID. I mean, you could be Judge Judy for all I know. I haven't seen any ID. I'm not. I'm just inquiring. Well, I haven't seen any ID for me to tell you anything. I'm the postmaster here. That doesn't I get that. Can I grab it for you? You can tell me if I show you my ID, will you? I won't answer questions. All right. No. Well, don't run over anybody. So, don't run over anybody. Why not? And I respect life. Appreciate your time, though. You always come and get away with water next time. I'd appreciate it. After intense exchange filled with doubts about identity and authority, the situation shows no sign of cooling down. Once police officially step in and the focus shifts to demands for identification, everything begins to escalate, unfolding into a confrontation far more intense than what had just taken place. Hi there, sir. Hi, how you doing? How are you? I'm okay. Um the post office was kind of concerned. One of the other businesses around the back is a little bit concerned. They thought your behavior was a little bit suspicious with the the filming and everything like that. >> the shirt. The shirt? >> [laughter] >> That's good. I like I I didn't want you guys violating anybody else's rights by trying to figure out who is being suspicious. Okay. Do you have any ID on you just so I know who I'm talking to? Have I committed a crime? Well, I need to know who I'm talking to. Have I committed a crime? No. Am I being detained? But you are acting suspicious. Am I being detained? Well, Am I being detained or am I free to go? Okay, thank you. They don't want you back on the property. I haven't been on the property. I've been on public public property. So don't don't don't don't give me a trespass warning if I've never been there. I guess. Cuz I'm just curious. Just for curiosity's sake. Can I reach inside of here without you freaking out and tasing me and shooting me and Absolutely. Go ahead. >> Okay. As long as you're not going to pull out a weapon on me. What? Which I don't see why you'd have any reason to do that. I don't have any weapons and I have no ill intent. You I'm sorry? I said I don't have any weapons on me. Okay. And I have no ill intent. Okay, good. And and I don't either. I'm just Like I said, >> You don't have any weapons on you? Oh, come on. Come on, please. Now, you can give this to them if you think they need it. It's my right to film any federal installation. I also have this for you. Okay. I refuse to waive my First Amendment rights, my Fifth Amendment rights, my Fourth Amendment rights, and I would not like to uh have any more questions asked unless my lawyer is present. So, you won't let me know who I'm talking to? Am I in any under legal obligation to have to I told you who I am. You can call me senior or mister. For our documenting purposes, we need to know who we I don't I don't need it to go to a fusion center and then be put on the do not fly list and make it to where I can't buy guns because I want to take pictures of buildings that I own. That's not That's what it is. Yeah, I mean What's going on here? >> But the report goes to a fusion center, right? I'm sorry? The report goes to a fusion center. It has to. No, it would just be documented on our logs of who I'm speaking with and I'd like to check you for warrants. As the question, have I committed a crime? echoes again and again, the exchange gradually turns into a tug-of-war over the authority to demand identification and the limits of power. Neither side is willing to back down and that rising tension pushes the situation toward a new turning point where every word spoken has the potential to shift the outcome. >> [music] >> to help you put me in jail. Do you have warrants? I'm not answering any questions. Okay. I mean I mean I mean that's that's this line of questioning. Have we moved from a tier one conversation to a tier two now? We're just speaking, sir. I'm not here to arrest you. I'm here >> Well well well obviously you are if you're going to try to check me for warrants. >> allow me to answer your questions? I'll speak with whoever you want. Who do you want Who? Uh you can go inside. >> No, I've always been on the sidewalk. >> sidewalk. That's it. Okay. Taking pictures. I was down here taking pictures, too. Okay. So I don't I I guess I don't understand what the problem is. There is no problem. I Like I said, I just wanted to I wanted to see your ID so I knew who I was talking to. That's all. You're telling me you're not going to give me that. Um I don't I I mean Am I in the other legal obligation to do that? And you have your right to do it. Look, here's what's going on. People called us because they were concerned about what you were doing. You were reported Concerned about legal activity? >> Now listen to me. I'm not saying you're doing anything illegal. Okay. But I'm not doing anything illegal by talking. Correct. But we got a call that you were inside the post office and you were filming. Everything's to the walls. We usually tell people what you're doing. Okay. Ba- Based Based on the paperwork Based on the paperwork, I can go into the lobby and film whatever I want. >> can. All right. So So that So that's legal activity again. No no, what I'm getting upset over is postal employees who are not being held liable for filing a false police report. Okay. They didn't file a Well well they they they made a false call. They made a false call. You got to understand the day and age we're living in. What day and age? Look. No no I I No no, I don't because I don't I don't I don't know what DNA is. I I just know that freshman 2 years ago learned about 9/11 as as a history lesson. They didn't learn about it as as facts. Listen to me very carefully. If you want to walk up and down a public sidewalk in a public street and you can videotape and you can record all you want. At the point to where your behavior comes disorderly and concerning to others, then we're going to act on it. Do you understand what I'm saying to you? Right. I've looked over the disorderly but nothing I've done that way. >> That's traffic 101 to educating yourself on it. Yes, sir. All right. I have to. So, do you understand what I'm saying to you? Yes. Okay. So, if we get reports of that, we're going to act accordingly. Do you understand? Legal reports. Because they've already reported that I was inside the building. I was not. >> back. So, as again, am I detained or am I free to go? You're free to go. So, I'm free to go. Just when the debate seems to reach its limit, arguments about suspicious behavior and the right to film are pushed even further. The tension doesn't explode, but it simmers beneath the surface. Enough to make the situation unpredictable. And then, an unexpected development emerges, shifting the course of events once again. I mean, the gentleman from the post office came out and asked me if he could help me. I said, "Yeah, you got a bottle of water or Gatorade? I've been out here for a long time." He said, "No." I said, "You can't help me." I mean, I I I guess I don't understand what the problem is. I mean >> This makes people nervous. They see they see videotaping and they think that maybe you're trying to tape so you know how to get in if you are planning to break in later or you know, or you're watching little kids or that kind of thing. It just makes people nervous. Watching little kids. >> This is a small town. Neither of which on public property is illegal. It's a small town, okay? And so people get nervous when they see activity that they're not used to. I understand that, but it's legal activity. So, if I was running up and down in a chicken suit on the sidewalk, that would still be okay though it looks suspicious. >> It would and we'd still come and talk to you because it makes people nervous. >> But it's legal activity. It is, yes. So, I'm being stopped for legal activity. I mean, you're coming to question me. I mean I mean I mean that that that's what it boils down to. Again, I'm not going to go into it like you said either. Yeah. No. You watching? Okay. Yep. Benwood, Ohio. Yeah, they want to check me for warrants. Nope. Nope. Go ahead and call them. Yep. If anything happens, have them call the police department here, yeah. Local PD, not sheriff. Uh-huh. No. Yep. Just keep watching. This is amazing. I don't understand. Still don't understand. Am I supposed to wait for your partner, officer? No. Okay. Well, have a good day. Just when it seems everything is over, the final arguments continue to linger on the public sidewalk. No handcuffs, no formal charges, only tense glances and unanswered questions left hanging in the air. A civilized society is not built [music] on confrontation, but on understanding the law, restraint, and responsibility from both sides. Hey everyone, what do you think about this [music] situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]