And there's no property line. >> This is the Salt Bay Mall. They don't want you in the Salt Bay Mall. It's their property, not mine. They're telling you to leave. They told you. >> So, anything that's viewable from public property, I can film. >> Can't film inside that door. >> No, no, no. What I'm saying is I can film anything while I'm on public property. You understand that, right? >> Yes. >> When police cross the boundaries of their authority, the question becomes, who is truly breaking the law? >> Trespasser Bay. Take your stuff and go. >> Take your stuff and go. [music] This is uh public property. Is there a public right away? >> This is public property, sir. >> Technically, this is private property, >> sir. This is public property and the building is public property. >> Across the street, boss, >> sir, you can go across the street. >> I need to speak to your superior. >> Are the police protecting the law or protecting their own power and ego, just minutes after sitting down in the biting cold, a stranger appears, claiming authority, but with no name, no badge. And from that moment on, everything begins to spiral out of control. Are you listening to me? Hello? Are you >> Who are you? >> I'm security. I say you cannot stay here. Yeah. What? What is that? What is security? >> Yeah. So you cannot stay here. >> So what is your name? >> It doesn't matter what my name is. I'm security. That's all you need to know right now. So therefore um you cannot be can't do anything. Can't can't be dealing with you if you don't tell me. If you don't identify >> call the police if you like. >> Identify yourself. Do what? Dude, that has nothing to do with me. Get the [ __ ] out of my face. >> Get the [ __ ] out of my face. You going to come up and tell me you're secure. You don't identify >> yourself. It ain't on me. It ain't on me, man. >> It's all right, >> man. I was just [ __ ] sitting here. Look at this. I got a soda and I got my stuff. It's freezing cold. So, I had to put these different uh clothes on and stuff like uh I had to take I have all this stuff. I took some of it off. I had a down vest underneath. Took that one off cuz it's just going to get wet from sweating. So, what do we got? >> It's like get away from my glove right now. >> Daring installation. >> You hear me? Get away from my car. Let's go. Get away from me. All right. >> Who are you? >> I'm sec. >> Identify yourself. You haven't identified yourself. >> All right. >> So, we got um 1 VGM 1 N. >> The tension doesn't escalate because of the citizen's actions, but because of the guard's unclear authority. And when the dispute shifts from words to actions, the situation enters an entirely different phase. >> Uh well, that guy was uh insulting me over there. Is that Does he work for you for security toss? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz he's a he wouldn't tell me who he is. He told me he's security. He wouldn't identify. So I have no nothing. No badge number, no name, no like identify. He he started he told he came up here for no reason. started out nice like, "Oh, can I help you?" Like, I never got any help, but I don't, you know, you said the same thing and then like you seem more helpful. Hold on, I got to stick this on here. >> Yeah. I was just checking on you cuz it's cold. I just want to >> Yeah. Yeah. But he was he he went into like um told me to get out of here and [ __ ] right away. >> Right. >> You know, >> and oh man, look, I had to get, you know, it's cold. They had to, you know, put different stuff on. I had to take something out cuz I got I got it. Um >> I used to live in Minneapolis. >> Yeah. >> I used to I we used to wait for the bus when we were kids >> and worry about like little kids like I don't you know something could happen, >> right? Of course. >> So I guess man, I didn't even have to go looking for it. I'm trying to film the police and [ __ ] and I just [ __ ] sat here messing around. one bag I had to put, you know, take stuff off. >> Yeah. >> Put it on and he's already going and he's a jerk, man. The guy doesn't know. They won't come either. >> You know, we have the right away all the way back there, too. You know, look on Google Street View. >> Mhm. >> Like, um, I just haven't bothered, but like, you know, the cars drive all the way around. >> I will tell you, it's not a you thing. We just >> do that >> issues. So, we're trying to safer than sorry. You know, >> you know, we were talking. The guys didn't know. We've been standing here talking for a long time and then this guy showed up again. >> Oh, then he's going to start it up again. >> So, so we were just talking. We've been talking. I turned the phone off. We were just talking really nice, weren't we? >> You were talking about all about my YouTube. We turned the phone off. We spent about 10 minutes, right? >> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. I get it. >> And so now this guy's coming up like like you've been trying to tell me to get out of here, right? And you haven't been, right? You were acting like it's okay if I'm here, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz you know, the filmer and a staff member were talking pretty normally. There was even a slightly friendly vibe because of the cold weather. But that normal moment is exactly what makes it scary because just a few seconds later, everything takes a complete turn. the situation stops being about who's right or wrong and starts turning into being forced to leave at all costs. >> We got um D593. Do you see the paint on that? You see how the paint's been taken off? Oh, you guys can really see it, right? They're taking some of the paint off. >> All right, take care. They told you to leave, right? You've been trespassed. I'm recording you. You can report me all you trespass from Salt Bay. Take your stuff and go. >> Take your stuff and go. >> This is uh public property. This is a public right away. >> Famous footwear. >> I wasn't in there. >> Excuse me. >> I wasn't in Famous Footwear. >> They don't want you at Salt Bay. It's private property. Go ahead. >> No, it's South Bay. This is a public right away. >> Famousware. So, take your stuff and >> I'm not in Famous Footwear. >> You're in front of famous footwear. >> Okay. So, where's the property line? Where's the property line? Police arrive and impose a trespassing accusation without first establishing the property boundaries, escalating the situation from a verbal dispute to the risk of actions taken outside proper procedure. And moments later, from a vague assumption, the situation quickly slips into another scenario. Who gets to decide the fate of the items lying on the ground? >> Property line. I need to know where the property line is so I know where I can I got to get my rubber band. Oh, where um where's the property line? Oh, wait. You're saying there's no property line. Everything is >> This is the South Bay Mall. They don't want you in the South Bay Mall. It's their property, not mine. They're telling you to leave. You've been >> So, you think it's private property? You think South Bay? >> I'm saying famous footwear where they just told you to leave as private property. How many times do I have to tell you? >> I'm not at famous footwear. >> Is this your stuff in front of their store? >> Yes or no? >> Why do you think it's my stuff? She's right here. >> So, this isn't your stuff. So, they can get rid of it. They can throw it away. >> Well, I take it. >> Yeah. Open. It's >> not your stuff. They're going to throw it away. >> Check it out. They're like find >> Check it out. She's like, "Is that your stuff?" And then and then and then I haven't answered. I'm not going to cooperate with her investigation. Um she said she's going to throw away your stuff or you're going to throw it away. It's not that difficult. So why do you think it's my stuff? >> So it's not your stuff. You're fine. >> All right. Why do you think it's my stuff? I want to know why you're so >> sitting on the ground beside it. >> You could tell me like announce to people like I'm going to throw the stuff away. I'm not being like, you know, when you start to throw it away. I've been notified everyone else. I think it's that guy's stuff actually. Why don't you get your stuff? Or maybe it's your stuff. You probably left it out here. >> Camera on me. Don't put camera on me, >> dude. I'm It's a joke. It's a joke. I'm making a joke, man. Oh, I thought you were cool. I thought your sense of humor, man. >> Despite failing to establish ownership, police still speak of handling or discarding the property, placing the citizen in an impossible dilemma. This conduct reflects a violation of due process, signals potential abuse of authority, and risks infringing on constitutional rights. And just minutes later, the narrative shifts away from assumptions about property and toward accusations about behavior. >> Step back, California. >> They're lying on your um thing. I've been filming and I haven't been yelling. I don't care. >> You don't care that you someone filed a police report. False police report. >> Someone filed the police report. >> Okay. So, someone made a false call. Who made that false claim that I was yelling? >> Do you care about that? Right. He said you don't care. >> Doesn't matter. Someone called, we come. >> Someone calls and says you're outside. >> Yeah, but they're lying. I told you they're lying. >> Okay. Anyone can say that. >> Anybody can go. Somebody else is lying. I >> That's the issue. Said you don't care. I >> don't. >> You don't care if someone lied to you. So you think >> if someone calls, we're going to come. >> You don't care if someone says I'm I'm yelling and I'm not. >> Going to go. >> You don't care if you come to a call and you've been lied to. >> If I get told to go somewhere, I'm going to go. It doesn't matter who called what for what. >> Or it's a total lie. It's a total lie. >> When we come. >> I wasn't yelling. I'm filming it. >> All right. >> You have that camera on, right? >> Yeah. It's your uh >> Is your camera on? >> Are you getting what you want? >> Yeah. 6 p.m. So, it's closed. >> Okay. >> How you doing, sir? What can I do for you? >> This uh this police officer >> Uhhuh. >> has harassed me. >> Okay. In one way. >> She doesn't She's not educated. She thinks South Bay is private property. The entire thing. Can you tell her? >> Forward is private property. >> Okay. Okay. Let's hear it. You're not You're going to be on YouTube. She told me the whole place. She told me like this whole place is She switches it back and forth like that. No, wait. I'm not disputing. It's on YouTube. >> What do you need? >> What do you need, sir? >> He needs to get to the truth. >> What do you need? >> Yeah. Tell her that. Tell her this is >> All right. You may need to open your Bible. All right. Take off and get out of here. All right. >> The South Bay is not private property. I don't have to leave. >> I don't have to leave. They just came up and started harassing me. Police continue to enforce actions based on unverified complaints without observing any onseen violation, rendering the enforcement legally unfounded and a violation of due process. Citizens may sue under section 1,983 for rights violations, and offending officers may face civil liability, discipline, or termination. Up next, just a camera on a public sidewalk. Yet, it was enough to send an entire bank into panic. And from there, a chain of unbelievable reactions. All >> righty. We're here at 168th Street and Jerome Avenue next to the for train. We just walked up on the 44th precinct. 44th precinct. I think I might have stopped by here once or twice in my life. I'm not sure what for, but anyway, let's see if these uh guys here respect our rights to film in public. I'm also here with NYC auditor and my good friend Kumar who are also uh you know behind me right now. I don't want to put him on camera. It's against your policy. I can stand here. This is public property. What do you mean? Look where I'm at. >> Every right to stand here. But you're not supposed to be doing that. Actually, I'll come inside and grab your name and badge number. Don't worry. You can't. There's nothing you can say. It clearly says in the patrol guide that smoking is against your policy. >> Did you know that? You look like you got a rank. >> I'm sure he should know that. Smoking is against the policy. >> He's going to come back out. He [snorts] better. Oh, what is this? >> Outside the 44th precinct in a public area, the filmer asserts his lawful right to record from public property while officers approach using secondary excuses, smoking where he's standing, and issue vague orders. What begins as a seemingly ordinary conversation quickly turns into imposed limits. Sir, you cannot film inside. >> Excuse me? >> Yeah, I'm not going inside. >> No, I can film anything on public property. Anything that's viewable from public property, I can film. >> Can't film inside that door. >> No, no, no. What I'm saying is I can film anything while I'm on public property. You understand that, right? What's your name and badge number? It's actually not on you. It's not visible. >> Thank you very much. Your name and badge number >> right there. Romero, right there. Thank you very much. And you, sir? Senate 521. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Now, you officers should know that it's perfectly legal to report anything on public property, right? You're aware of that, right? >> No. >> Tonight, >> aware of that, sir. >> Right. >> Do you know that? Who has the rank here? You have the rank, Sergeant. >> So, I mean, you should know that. >> They say you come to the meeting tonight. NCO meeting. Build the block. >> Oh, build the block. Huh? But you're telling me I can't film in public? >> You said to say you can't film inside the pin. >> I can film inside the precinct, sir. You know the law. You know the law. >> Are you trying to obstruct me from filming? >> What's What's the issue here? Why can't I film? >> This is public area. >> No, I know. But look, he's getting in my way when I'm trying to go close, sir. Yes, I can. >> You can film. Yeah. >> All public property. Police directly interfere with the filming by blocking, closing in, and ordering the camera to stop without citing any specific law. What starts as obstruction of a lens quickly turns into a struggle over authority and then all eyes turn to what happens next. >> I don't understand why he's standing in my way. It's perfectly legal to film inside. >> I'm telling people about building block meetings tonight. >> Yeah, I understand. But this guy keeps getting in my way when I try to approach a door. >> Well, you can film inside from there all you want. Yeah, but you just said I couldn't and now you just changed your mind. >> That's ridiculous. >> Let me see what's around this way. We're just filming you guys, you know. [laughter] >> Yeah, this is what happens here in New York, man. These cops are really like trying to hide some [ __ ] >> Careful with the weather. He's trying to warn us about the rain. >> Yeah. This is so funny. I'm going to I'm going to take a I'm going to take a walk around the building. >> Look, he's ridiculous. Sorry. >> Yo, he said he said our taxes don't pay like for his, you know, his taxes come from our our taxes. >> Like he doesn't What is he he's in denial? Like, dude, that's the truth. You can't argue against that. That's so sad when they don't know who they work for. Okay, this is the side the 44th. >> The first video that I was >> Uhhuh. >> What's that? >> Yo, >> your phone has virus. >> Yeah, because my phone the camera just turned off. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny? Actually, my camera was only Look, it only records up to 10-minute intervals. And I still haven't tried fixing that. So, it's going to stop. Excuse me. It's going to stop and I'm going to have to record again. All right. What's this? Do not enter. Authorized emergency vehicles. This must be the back entrance for the park. >> The same lawful act of filming is met with different instructions from each officer, exposing gaps in legal understanding and escalating tension. Not because of the citizen's behavior, but due to arbitrary enforcement. When the law is interpreted through emotion rather than statute, confusion becomes a tool of control. >> We told you not to record in front of here, right? You can go across the street and do that. >> This is public property, sir. >> Technically, this is private property, >> sir. This is public property and the building is public property. >> Across the street, boss. Go across the street. >> I need to speak to your superior. No, no, no, no. It's fine. I need to speak to your superior. I'm talking right over there. Right across the street. >> I need to speak to your superior. >> I am formally requesting a superior. [music] I need a superior >> because you're giving me an unlawful order. This is public property. This is public property. I can record right here where I'm standing. You understand that, right? You took an oath to uphold the Constitution. >> Did you Did you take an oath to uphold the Constitution, >> sir? Do me a favor. Go across the street. >> Did you take an oath to uphold the Constitution? >> Are you going to infringe my >> Did you take an oath to uphold the constitution? >> Am I stopping? Am I holding you? Am I holding Am I asking you to go across the street? I'm like grabbing you, taking you across the street. You need to you rephrase what you're saying cuz I'm not holding any of you guys. >> Can I have your name and number? >> You're looking at it right there. >> Can you articulate for me >> if you don't know how to read? >> If I don't know how to read what? That's how professional you are. >> I am I might be unprofessional. I'm telling you right there. That's my name. >> Your policy, your patrol guide requires you to articulate it. To tell me in words. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. If you don't, I'll write a I'll file a formal complaint on it. >> All right. Great. Failure to identify. This is public property where I'm standing. If you don't like it, call a superior. He knows what I'm doing. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much for upholding your upholding the oath to the Constitution. I really appreciate it. This is where my tax dollars owe to for you to tell me to go somewhere. >> Yeah, my tax dollars. Wait, where do my tax dollars go? >> Apparently, you >> I pay thousands of taxes a week. >> Tax dollars go to >> You don't know. You don't know how they allocate them. You don't know how they allocate taxes. You guys know how to allocate taxes? >> YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TAXES ARE ALLOCATED. >> So what do you what do you do? Do you write yourself? >> I pay for that also. >> Sir, your taxes come from our taxes. >> And where do you get your salary from? [music] >> You don't understand the purpose what we do. >> Yeah. >> Obviously not. >> Yeah. I tell you because you you probably don't know. >> First amendment auditors. We go out and we see if you guys respect our right to film. >> Okay. >> Obviously not. >> First amendment right to film anything that we can see from a public. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very much, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Yeah, he looks very educated. Thank you, sir. >> No arrest, no handcuffs. Yet the threats continue to echo and the camera keeps recording everything. When police impose [music] orders on public property without legal grounds, it exposes abuse of authority and a direct clash with the First Amendment. When power is exercised [music] without legal understanding and without accountability, the first casualty is always public trust. Hey everyone, what do you think [music] about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you [music] so much.