Yeah, I'm just making a documentary filming for matters of public interest, stuff like that. >> are you filming? My colleagues have alerted me that you've been down the ramp. >> Have I committed a crime? >> You're filming private property. >> Well, I can film it from public public ground, yeah. >> When the very people enforcing the law can't even point out what he did wrong, is this really about security or a blatant abuse of power caught on camera? >> You can't just put me in cuffs or put hands on me without citing legislation, you know that. >> I will not be putting you in cuffs until I establish exactly what legislation it comes under. >> So, then I can just leave? Yeah. >> No, I'll leave. >> Right. All right, then detain me. All right, all right, I'll put it down. I'll put it down. I'll put it down. Don't put me in cuffs. Don't put There's no need to put me in cuffs. >> When power is exercised without proper understanding of the law, the consequences don't end at the scene. They can end in a civil lawsuit. A man is simply standing outside a police station filming, but within minutes things start to escalate in an unusual way. Is he doing something completely lawful or has he stepped into a restricted zone the police don't want anyone to see? >> But, certainly it is. If you So, do you think if you were to go past 10 Downing Street right now and just film like that constantly? >> I could people film Big Ben, people film Parliament all the time. Tourists. >> But, do you not think somebody would come out and at least speak to you and ascertain who you are and what you're doing? >> I don't have to give over any any details, that's the thing. Well, are these the divisional officers? I'm getting bored now, not going to lie. >> Well, it'd be interesting to see if you've ever got any success and not been spoken to standing outside. >> many times. >> Yeah, so where? >> Various police stations. >> and nobody has spoken to you? >> I went to St. Leonard's, I was there. Officers were aware of my presence. They didn't engage me, they didn't speak with me. >> Yeah. Well, again, as I say, everybody's entitled to deal with things their own way, aren't they? And I certainly don't feel comfortable with what you're doing. And I would feel terrible if something happens as >> Nothing's going to happen, man. >> But, me taking your word again, you understand? So, if something happened as a result of this interaction and I done nothing about >> What What could happen? What could I gain from from from this footage? I don't really understand. >> Well, you would know the comings and goings of the police. You would know where things are stored. >> but this is done This is done This is done This is done overtly. >> I know. >> And I've given you more than >> But you might as well be doing it covertly if nobody speaks to you. So, the fact you are being overt, I absolutely appreciate it. Makes our life a lot easier. >> Yeah, I'm giving you ample opportunity to grab me like someone that would have those motives would would definitely be doing it covertly. And as mentioned, who's to say that those cars don't have dash cams in them? >> As I've said to you >> That could record everything. >> I'm not saying that that those are your motives. I'm trying to establish what your motives are. And at the moment, your your explanation to me doesn't really satisfy me that that is all your motives is just to put something on the YouTube or whatever whatever you You haven't actually explained to me what it is you do. You've just said that you want these for your own records and all will be revealed soon. All will be revealed soon could mean absolutely anything. You must understand that. Does that make sense? >> I mean >> Like what what is that? What is that? I mean, what does that even mean? >> All will be revealed soon. >> As in um pending the outcome of >> Of another incident that you want to tell us about? >> of this interaction today. >> What seemed like a routine conversation quickly takes a turn as the pressure begins to rise. The police are no longer just asking questions. They start pushing the cameraman into a difficult choice, cooperate or face consequences no one can predict. >> My details just so I can >> Do you know what? This is a two-way thing. Like we've got better things to be doing as well. You understand that? >> I know. You're just wasting taxpayers' money right now by engaging me. >> Yeah, but at the same time >> paranoid about officer safety. Are these regional officers? >> You deserve our time as much as anyone. So, it's not a waste of time. But yeah, we could be using our time >> It is cuz you were you were deployed for more pressing matters. Like your weapons that you've got would would suggest that. I'm just a guy with a camera. >> Exactly. But as I've said to you, we weren't sent to this. to the armed, all right? We we You go around dressed in this mode of armament, okay? And this is our place of work, so we just happen to be coming past. >> Well, can I leave now? >> Going to speak to you as officers, all right? >> So, am I detained or not? >> Not this time. >> So, I can't leave? >> Do you feel it? As I've explained to you, all right? At this >> But I need to take a phone call. >> Well, as you've just said, you're getting you're getting worn down by the starting to look at specific legislation that's going to probably mean that you will get detained. >> Okay. >> The way we can get around that is by giving me your details right now. You can then take your phone >> call. >> So, I can't take my phone call now? >> Are you telling me at the moment you would rather get detained than than what? >> I don't want to be detained. This is my right to take photographs. I can't simply just um concede to your demands. >> Yeah, fair enough. >> Doing it for my YouTube, Facebook. There's some something along those lines, yeah. >> I'm just I'm just curious, but >> Yeah. Honestly, no trouble, nothing hostile about it. Again, as mentioned, if I'm happy with the outcome, then I'll um give a completely honest explanation for why it is I'm here. >> No, don't come from what though, sorry. I've just curious. >> If if my rights are not infringed, if you respect my right to take to to film here without me being detained or anything like that, then I'll um I'll give you an honest explanation. >> not think it sounds like a bit of an empty threat though? So, you're basically saying if we let you go about your business >> Yeah. >> and we don't ask for your details and we don't establish why you're here, >> Yeah. >> you'll give us what? A positive review? Like >> Not a positive review. I'll I'll I'll I'll tell you my um my genuine motive. And of course, this is out of sheer courtesy. I don't owe you anything. I don't owe any explanation. I don't have to account for my presence in a public place. >> It seemed like things would end with a simple argument, but instead, the pressure starts to rise noticeably. The police shift from asking questions to controlling the situation, while the cameraman refuses to back down. Within minutes, everything is about to go beyond the limits of a normal conversation. >> We've been speaking for the good part of half an hour. I've made assurances. I just want to be left alone. If I can just be left alone and I can have your word that I'm not my rights will not be interfered with. I won't be detained. You won't push on my details. Then we can come to a resolution where you'll be satisfied. >> What do you mean by a favorable resolution? >> As in I don't want to be detained. I don't want my rights to be infringed. >> I I I don't want to detain you. I'm just trying to figure out what you're doing. That's all. >> But you're not I'm just filming in public. >> But you've been here. So say if you were here for another 5 or 6 hours, do you >> Yeah. I'm not going to be. >> I know, but do you not think that's going to infringe and impede our ability to do our job? Because every cop that comes out here is going to feel the need to stop and speak to you. >> Well, that's at your own discretion. I'm not committing an offense, so you should really just leave me to it. >> good cops, if they're good police officers, they're going to have to come and speak to you. If they don't speak to you, in my opinion, they've not done their job properly. So you're impeding their ability to go and respond to another incident. >> No, no. I'm not standing in the middle of the road >> You're standing right here and you're >> but I'm not obstructing your vehicles from getting out. This is just simply a camera. >> But your presence there is because we have to stop and speak to you. We're not in a position that we can just let this one go. We can't. But do you want to do this >> Sorry. How do you How do we proceed? Because I need to um I've got stuff that I need to do as well. I'm not going to be here today. I'm going to head back today. So >> Well >> if you can just let me know what what needs to be done or if you can >> The long and short of it is we're going to ascertain your details, okay? Whether you choose >> you going to do How are you going to do that? >> Whether you choose to comply, okay? Or you'll be detained. That's essentially the >> Well, like you can detain me, you can search me, but I don't have anything with my ID on it. >> Yeah, but you'll be taken to a police station and your >> So I'll be arrested and then you'll take my and you'll take my prints. Is that what Is that what Is that what will happen? >> If you refuse to tell us who you are, they will absolutely take you to a police station and take your prints. >> Really? Really? So what what >> Because we can't just have people standing outside. We don't know what their intention is and just let them go. I've told you before that'd be a neglect of my duty, okay? I've had a reasonable conversation with you. I thought we were getting somewhere. I'm now starting to feel like you're not going to play ball and you're waiting to and pushing us to detain you, okay? I'm trying to be reasonable. >> I don't want you to detain me. I've I've said I don't want you to detain me. >> We ascertain your details, make sure you're nothing of concern to us and you go about the rest of your business. Go to another police station if you want. Do what you want. >> With neither side willing to back down, the police begin making firmer, more forceful statements while the cameraman continues to stand his ground. And at that moment, the situation suddenly takes an unexpected turn, setting off a chain of events that quickly becomes more difficult to control than ever before. >> All right, well I'm not going to give my name. Not because I've got something to hide, but because I'm not but by law I'm not required to give my name. >> Why why why don't you want to give your name? Like can you not see it as it's reasonable for us to set and stop and speak to you? I feel that's the action you're looking for. All right. For us to come and speak to you. You've been going around different stations. >> Okay. So if this is purely to to get a reaction then why are you so concerned about my name? >> Because we want to know why why you're watching this action, why you're filming. We want to know if you're who you are. Okay? If someone's going around filming the gates, it's reasonable to ask who they are. >> No, I'm afraid I can't um I can't I'm not going to give over any details. >> Is there any reason in particular? >> No, I'm not hiding anything. You know, if I was wanted or I had something you know, if I was a criminal, I wouldn't post up outside a police station. >> No, I get that but like you see you get where we're coming from as well. >> Listen, I can't give my name, I'm afraid. Again, if I'm happy if you respect my rights and you're willing to kind of let me proceed without my without me having to divulge any information, I'll tell you that I'll I'll give you some information or enough ample information that will satisfy my purpose today. >> man. >> But if we could kind of hurry this up >> Well, we're going as fast as we can but it's obviously a bit difficult when you won't at least give us your >> I'm not What under what legislation would I need to give with name? I'm not in a vehicle. Section 50 of the Reform Act, I'd have to give my name, but I'm not I'm not behaving anti-socially. >> All right, well, that's why I'm just asking. >> So, other than that, I don't know any other legislation. Yeah, well, if it's not a requirement, then I'm not um I'm not obliged to hand it over. You know what I'm saying? Like Can we not just let this go? Like Guys, can we not just let this go? >> Just to keep you updated as to what's happening. >> Yeah. This has gone up the chain of command, all right? So, >> we're looking to try and establish what they're going to do here. Like I said to you before, it's not always black and white. There's There's a couple of different ways to deal with something, okay? >> Okay. >> Those discussions are ongoing at the moment. >> So, am I free to go at this time? >> Until we establish what they want us to do, you know? I would stay here just now, okay? >> But, I'm not detained, so I can just leave. >> You're not detained but >> After a prolonged exchange, it seems like things are finally cooling down. But, in reality, the tension is only simmering beneath the surface. And then, in the next phase, everything suddenly escalates even further, pushing the situation to a point of no return. >> I'd like to leave. I'd like to leave. >> You'll be arrested. >> For what? For what? >> Well, that's what we're doing. We're getting a phone call. >> Well, I would like you to know. So, if I if I try and move like this >> Right, listen. Listen to me. So, hostile reconnaissance isn't something that we necessarily specialize in or deal with day-to-day. >> What offense is it? You can't just You can't just put me in cuffs or put hands on me without citing legislation. You know that. >> I will not be putting you in cuffs until I establish exactly what legislation it comes under. >> So, then I can just leave. If you don't know what offense >> the common courtesy to wait till we've had the the phone call. >> Well, I don't have I don't owe you any courtesy. I'd like to leave. I'm leaving. >> Listen, you're not going anywhere, okay? Until we establish >> Get your hand off me. Get your hand off me. Get your hand off me. Look how they're surrounding me. Get your hand off me. I'd like to leave. I'd like to leave. No, no, no, get your hand off me. Get your hand off me. >> Stay here just now. >> Why are you harassing me like this? I would like to leave. >> Right, come on. This >> I've told you the reason for my filming. >> I fully appreciate the civil rights movement and and >> Okay, well, then respect my rights. Let me get out of here. get out of the road. >> Right, come and stand over here then. >> I fully appreciate that, but you have to appreciate what I'm coming from. >> to appreciate anything. I haven't committed an offense. I can leave. What you're doing now is not good and you're saying that you'll arrest me because I won't give my details. So, inevitably, because of my circumstances today, because you're being persistent like this, I'm going to be cornered uh into a situation where I'm going to have to give details. Not because I want to, but under duress and fear of arrest. I don't want to give my details. Of course it's duress cuz you you just put you both just put your hands on me and you said that you're going to arrest me. I would like to leave. May I please leave? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? You What do you mean you will be? Am I being detained or not? Cuz I would like to leave. Guys, no, I'll leave. All right, then detain me. All right, all right, I'll put it down. I'll put it down. I'll put it down. Don't put me in cuffs. Don't put There's no need to put me in cuffs. >> What happens in these final moments doesn't just put those involved in a difficult position. It raises a bigger question for all of us. Where is the line between law enforcement and abuse of power? Up next, a cameraman walks into the capital of Wales with nothing but a camera and a public purpose. But within the very first moments, he unknowingly steps into an area that quickly turns the situation tense. >> Yeah? Hello. >> There's nothing down here for you, bud. >> Say that again? >> There's nothing down here for you. >> All right. >> Can I help you? >> Yeah, I'm just filming. >> Hey, don't film down here, please. >> Why not? >> Cuz I It's the back of a police station. >> Can you not Can you not touch me? Thank you. >> move off our premises, please? >> not public? >> No, it's not public. It's private. It's private land. >> Sorry, who are you? >> I'm That's a matter who I am. >> Why does it not matter? You're giving me orders, like. >> Yeah, I'm telling you to move off our premises. >> or what? Like, can you identify yourself, please? >> I've got a badge, yes. >> Can you identify yourself? >> Can you please move off our premises? >> Sorry, can you identify yourself? >> Can you please move off our premises, please? >> can't give me orders without identifying yourself. >> I can. I can tell you I work for South Wales Police. >> Okay, but who are you? What's your shoulder number? >> Huh? >> What's your shoulder number? >> I don't worry about shoulder numbers. Please move off our premises. >> Well, I'm not I'm going to move off cuz I'm not too sure but I'm going to keep filming. All right, mate. >> After the initial confrontation, it seems like things are calming down as the cameraman steps back to avoid conflict. But that's only the calm before the storm. Moments later, those with real authority arrive and the situation quickly escalates to an entirely different level. >> What is that what you're filming? >> Yeah, I'm just uh making a documentary filming for matters of public interest, stuff like that. >> What sort of matters? >> Uh the public interested in, stuff like this. >> Like what? >> Police stations, interactions with police. Do you want to move out of the way of the road? I don't want you to get hit by a car or anything. >> No, no, you're all right. This is quite quiet around here. >> Would you mind identifying yourself? >> Yeah, I'm PC Mercedes De Santos, 6450. >> Okay. >> I work at the front central police station. What you're filming. My colleagues have alerted me that you've been down the ramp. >> Yeah, I was I wasn't too sure whether or not that was Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was public or private property, so I figured probably best if I moved off there. Can you not surround me, please? Thank you. >> I'm not surrounding you. Yeah, you asked me to. >> Okay. >> Why are you going over there? >> Cuz I don't like being surrounded. >> 2 m? >> Say again? >> COVID. Do you mind giving me 2 m? >> is more than 2 m. Are we done? >> What Have you got any identification on you? >> No. I'm not going to ID myself. Have I committed a crime? >> You're filming private property. >> Well, I can film it from public public ground, yeah. And again, you're trying to surround me. So, may I ask that you not do that? Thank you. >> Who sent you here to film me? >> Excuse me? Am I being detained? >> Just we just want to know why you were filming. >> Yeah, I've explained it, mate. I've explained it. So, why are you trying to surround me? >> Calm yourself down. >> I don't want to calm myself down. No, it's really I don't want to calm myself down now. >> So, why are you filming those vehicles? That's all. >> Explained matters of public interest. I'm making a documentary. As far As far as I'm aware, it's not a crime to film from a public pavement. Okay, well, I've explained, so if we're done, I'd like to continue. >> saying that you can't The public interested? The upkeep of the building, interactions with police. How their tax money's being spent. Are you a sergeant? Fair play. I like the little badge you've got. You'd be surprised. They are very interested. >> What seems like a simple explanation quickly turns uncomfortable as the conversation goes on. The questions become more intense, and the suspicion doesn't fade. And within seconds, everything is about to shift in a way that makes the situation more sensitive than ever. >> Where about where are you from? >> Is it in the public interest? >> Well, I don't know. You're asking me, so I'm asking you. Well, it may be what your intention >> Do you know? >> Nothing, really. Just have a little walk around, film. I said I'm not hostile. I don't have any malicious intent, anything like that. That was said you If we're done, I'd like to continue. See, it sounds like it sounds like you've got better things to be dealing with. All right. >> So, what's this documentary for? Is it in the public interest? >> You okay? You don't know. >> Sorry. >> You look a bit um >> I haven't ate I haven't ate I haven't ate yet today. I couldn't find a McDonald's. I don't know I don't really know the place very well. I'm here now, you know what I mean. >> I I generally can't see cuz of the sun. >> Okay. Yeah, just just my concern for you. You just seem uh a little bit out of it at the moment. You seem to be distracted. Just want to make sure >> A little bit distracted? Mhm. >> Yeah. No, I don't think so, mate. I'm very focused. I know what I'm doing. I know what I've come here to do. >> Yeah, what's that? >> Film. >> Okay. Anything else we can help you with? >> Nothing. Do you identify yourself? >> Enjoy Enjoy yourself then. >> Will you identify yourself, please, sergeant? >> 4480. >> And your name? >> Okay, let's just You can contact me through there. >> And what's your name? >> Adam. >> It seemed like things would remain a back and forth of questions, but in reality, the situation is quietly escalating. The police begin shifting their focus to other details, making everything more unpredictable. And then, an entirely new reason emerges, pushing the situation into a turn no one saw coming. >> Yeah, um Are you explaining to me you're from England? >> Yeah. >> And are you aware Wales is in lockdown at the minute? >> Okay. Is it I wasn't aware. I thought it was tomorrow. >> Can you just give me the 2-m space right now? You're a bit close to me. >> Forgive me. Forgive me. So, you're going to do me for a COVID breach? >> Well, >> Fair enough. If you say Wales is in lockdown, I can't I can't really argue with that, to be fair. I mean, they let me in. So, I figured it it wasn't. >> The government says you shouldn't be traveling. All right. >> All right. >> It's government legislation. Just explaining to you, all right? At the minute, you shouldn't be out, and you know, at the moment, we're currently in lockdown. You shouldn't really be out of the house unless you're, you know, doing um >> This is my work to This is my work at the moment, to be fair. >> All right, what do you work for? >> I'm an independent journalist. >> All right. >> So, wait, is Wales in lockdown or not? Cuz England's UK's in lockdown tomorrow, I thought. >> England is in lockdown tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Wales has been in lockdown for the past 2 weeks. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Indeed. So, how come you came to Cardiff? You came once on purpose then? >> To do this. >> From Cardiff police station. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Come back out. >> Yeah, I mean you can find the others you want, but >> I just, you know. What are you doing lockdown? I know you're being ones in lockdown tomorrow. >> Yeah, I'll be heading back today. >> You have to. >> Back to England. >> Right. Just letting you know, obviously a record of us talking. Going to be created for for COVID purposes, all right? >> Okay. >> Is that okay to give me your name? >> Unless you suspect me of committing an offense. >> Well, you're breaching COVID. Technically it is an offense. >> Is that an offense? >> Yeah, cuz you're breaching COVID, aren't you? >> Under what legislation? >> The Welsh government legislation. >> Well, what what Can you quote it? >> All right, mate. Hold a minute. I'm just trying to explain. Right, I'm going through the the four E's. I'm >> Excuse me? >> I'm engaging with yourself. >> Yeah, sure. >> And I'm explaining to you that you're breaching COVID. >> Okay. >> Okay? >> So >> The national lockdown in Wales is in place until the 9th. >> Okay. Well, they let me in here to be fair. >> Well, I I don't know how you traveled cuz you're refusing to tell me how you traveled. Okay, you traveled through train. >> Yeah. >> You should know better than to travel into Wales if it's if we're in the middle of lockdown, okay? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. >> I appreciate that. >> What started as a seemingly simple exchange has now completely shifted. The pressure becomes more apparent as the warnings are no longer just suggestions. And in a matter of moments, the situation is about to enter a more intense phase where the choices begin to narrow. >> I believe he he was filming the jury coming out. >> I did? >> I believe he was filming the jury coming out. >> All right. Okay. >> I told him not to and he was asking me questions. Like I don't know like I don't know. He said he got got the jury on his >> I don't think so, mate. >> Well, find out. >> I'm on public ground, mate. I can film anything I can see. >> outside Yeah. >> now after speaking to you Yeah, that's right. I was, yeah. What are they Are the jury exempt from being filmed? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Under what What under what legislation? >> I don't need to say that. I'm just telling you. >> Okay. Well, under what legislation? If you can say something like contempt of court and use a particular section, then maybe we maybe I can understand something, but >> perverting the course of justice. >> It's not perverting the course of justice. >> You're filming >> And I didn't film them, mate. >> All right. Why are you getting so irate? I'm just asking. >> Well, cuz you're trying to um incriminate me. Look at this snitch. Look at this snitch. >> I couldn't tell if you were filming or not, but I I told him not to film that group of people. And he was asking me questions, why can't I why can't I? And he's gone up there now with the jury behind him. >> Yeah. So, where did you Where did you travel from to get here now? >> Cuz you know you shouldn't If you say you said you come from England, yeah? You should know you shouldn't be here cuz there could be lockdown in Wales. >> My cellphone this lady was just discussing that. Again, I mean, I didn't understand that Wales was in lockdown as far as I'm aware. If I could enter >> You can't. You know that. >> Well, I got a train here, didn't I? So, I think it's after Thursday you can't enter. >> to do this. I don't >> To do this? >> film at the police station. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's an unreasonable action. You shouldn't be doing that, so >> Why is it unreasonable? I told you it's from my It's from my work. >> You shouldn't be here. It's to It's to leave Wales. Now, return to where you've come from. If you don't, you could you could receive a penalty for that. Otherwise, it could be become worse. >> What are you doing? You're You're banishing me from the country. >> Well, you're not meant to be in Wales, so you could either provide So, how did I get here, then? You're not meant to be here, or you're going to have after ask you to return to where you came from. If you refuse to do so, you can be issued with a penalty ticket. >> There are no handcuffs, no arrest, but the pressure is enough to force the cameraman to leave. Is this proper law enforcement or a form of control that crosses the line? Citizens can file a lawsuit under Section 1983 when their rights are violated, and officers who overstep may face compensation claims, disciplinary action, or even termination. A just society is not built on fear, but on transparency, understanding, and mutual respect. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.