What's going on? Just out here recording. This is just kind of odd that you're out here recording a nuclear plant that's been shut down for several years. >> Don't. Okay, I need some form of ID with you that you have. Do I have to give you ID? Yes, sir, you do. No crime, no suspicion, yet ID was still demanded. And in that very moment, everything began to cross the line of the law. Yeah, there's no reason for me to ID unless you can tell me that I've committed a crime or I'm doing a crime or you suspect me of doing one. >> Nope, I don't. >> Okay. Yes, because I'm doing a conducted an investigation and and I would like to just get your ID just for identification purposes. Okay. A seemingly simple request can turn into evidence of abuse of power and the legal consequences can be significant. The filmer is conducting a First Amendment audit near a decommissioned nuclear plant in Wisconsin standing on public property without trespassing. A stranger approaches with clear suspicion and from that moment an ordinary situation begins to turn into a tense confrontation. Okay, well, here he comes. And as you can see where I am, I'm completely across the street. >> This guy's got to be out of his [ __ ] mind to engage me. What are you guys up to? What are you guys up to? Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm by myself. I don't know what guys you're talking to. Well, I know that there's another guy down here. Turn around. No clue, man. What are you up to? It's my business. All right. I said that's my business. You go do your business. Leave me alone. From suspicious questions, the atmosphere quickly grows tense. Repetitive, baseless questioning, and a doubtful attitude begin to heat things up. Just minutes later, when law enforcement arrives, the situation is immediately pushed to an entirely different level. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. The fuzz have arrived. >> Good afternoon, sir. Officer Kilcher, Sheriff's Department. What's going on? Just out here recording. Is there any reason you're recording? It's what I like to do. It's a perfectly legal activity. Well, it it is. It's just kind of odd that you're out here recording a nuclear plant that's been shut down for several years. Okay, well, you know, I'm an independent news journalist doing content for a story. And uh I'm not creating any havoc on the street. I'm out of the way. Uh I'm I'm not doing anything uh to create any nefarious purpose or ill will. I'm just out here recording. That's all I'm doing. Okay. Do you have any identification with you, sir? Yeah, there's no reason for me to ID unless you can tell me that I've committed a crime or I'm doing a crime or you suspect me of doing a >> Nope, I don't. >> Okay. You're going to run the plates? You have no probable cause to run my plate. Parked in the ditch, sir. The exchange seems clear at first, but instead of ending, tensions begin to rise. The questions continue, and this time the pressure builds step-by-step. Within seconds, the conversation shifts in a completely different direction, where authority, suspicion, and conduct collide head-on. What's your badge number? You're just trying to ramp it up. That's all you're You're trying to just ramp it up. You're trying >> not sir. I'm trying to figure out why you're out here recording a nuclear >> you that. I told you that. What is it you don't understand? Well, it's it's kind of odd. Well, I explained what I'm doing. Okay. >> Why is it odd that I'm an independent news journalist doing content for a story of a nuclear facility that's closed down, and you're telling me that's odd. I think it's odd that you think it's odd. I told you I'm not out here for any ill will. I'm not here to create havoc. >> Okay, and I'm not out here to do anything other than try to figure out what >> Nothing to figure out. I explained to you two times. >> got a call. I told you the answer. >> Okay. And but you're trying to run the plate. Well, I'm going to run the plate cuz it's parked in the ditch. Yeah, because it overheated. Okay, so now it is your vehicle broke down or are you out here for a news story? No, it overheated and I'm here for a news story at the same time. Well, that's very convenient. Isn't it? I'm tending to believe you that it did not overheat. Well, you don't believe anything I've said anyway. So, you don't believe that I'm an independent news journalist doing content for the story. >> Do you have any any press credentials or anything? >> credentials to be an independent news journalist. You can be an independent news journalist. It's free It's free press. Okay. You've heard of free press? >> I have. Yeah, I don't need credentials. >> No, but sir, it's very odd that somebody is out here standing on the side of the road filming an abandoned nuclear plant. So, how many times do I have to explain it to you? Whatever I tell you, you're going to keep coming back after security that it's odd. So, at this point we're just going in a roundabout conversation. >> you understand when I get a call from security at a nuclear plant who is concerned about what's going on over here that I have to respond, correct? I understand that perfectly well. You have to come out for service. You got a service call. That's not the issue. The issue is I've told you three times what I'm doing and you keep repeating it's odd. So, at this point I don't know what else to tell you. Okay. That's all. How long do you expect to be here? Oh, I'll get my I'll get my contact and I'll probably be here right after you leave. I'll be You'll have At this point, it's no longer a simple exchange of questions as suspicions begin to escalate further. Both sides hold their ground with neither willing to back down. But just minutes later, the conversation takes a turn no one expected. I don't know if you have a warrant for murder and you keep digging in your pockets, which I don't really like, so please stop doing that, okay? >> Okay, first of all, let me interject, Officer Seku When you say that you want to ask for ID because you want to know who you're talking to, you can just ask my name. You don't need ID, and then you can run everything. My name's Phil. I'll give you my name. Nice to meet you, Phil. >> Yeah. What's your first name? We'll just stick with officer. Okay, see, there you don't want to be forthcoming. Here I am telling you Well, I I already gave you my name. My badge number is 52. I I don't personally care to give out personal information because some people don't care for officers that much. >> Okay, well, there's a lot of hate towards officers because there's good and bad in every profession. >> Correct. Where this went south, I think, is it's not an issue You have every right to come up and ask me what I'm doing. Right. I don't have to answer, but I will. It's a cordial conversation, right? The deal is this. When When I've told you three times, and you keep saying it's odd, then it just seems it's ramping it up, and you want to run my plates. >> I am going to run your plates to find out more about What do you want to find out more about? I I'd like to know your full name and birthday. For what? So I can see if you have any warrants or anything like that. >> Oh, okay, so there's no There's no probable cause. You're just trying to hem me up for something else. I'm not trying to hem you up on anything. >> There's no reason to run me. I haven't committed any crime, so why would you want to run me and to get ID to know who I am to see if I'm a murderer? Because I got called out here that apparently there was >> what I'm doing. But apparently there was some type of confrontation with security at the nuclear plant as well. >> of [ __ ] What confrontation? I don't know. I haven't talked I haven't talked to them. >> the video. He's going, "What are you doing? What are you guys doing?" This guy comes out over there. He says, "What are you guys doing?" I said, "What are you guys doing? I'm by myself." He says, "Oh, I saw another guy down there." I don't know who the hell he's talking about. Okay. You know? >> Is there anybody out here with you? No. Okay. I'm I'm by myself. It's a one person Well, you could get two on that scooter. I think >> I didn't know if you had any other vehicle Anybody with other vehicles parked around or anything. I'm I'm just going around I'm just going around filming. And maybe what he thought was there was a motorcyclist wearing a Green Bay outfit with a hat. It may seem like things are settling down, but in reality, the tension is still simmering beneath the surface. What just happened was only the beginning, and the outcome of this story will leave many people questioning. Just moments later, the truth begins to unfold. Okay, Phil. He says there was no issues, there is no yelling, no screaming, no rock rolling, nothing like that. So, everything I have you have not committed a crime. Like I said, outside a nuclear plant, we're going to get called. When you're out here filming, we're going to get called. There's just a lot of concerns about safety and security and That's fine. We We've discussed that. That's in the past. I agree. They can call all they want. It's perfectly fine. You have to respond to service. I get it. But when I tell you three times what I'm doing and you keep saying it's odd and you want to run me, that's where it's bad. And so, you know, that's why you said, "Well, I want to go over there and get their side because maybe there was something else, a disorderly, and we'll see." It just seems like you're trying to ramp it up for no reason. No, I'm not sir. I'm just I'm just looking into what happened. Like I said, they called us. I don't know what's going on. I wasn't here for the initial So, an incident. But I told you three times. >> Okay. But sir, you have to understand, I can talk to two people who have completely differing stories of what happened, and it happens a lot. Right. But my story is what you asked me what I'm doing. I told you three times. Now you're talking about something totally different about what the engagement was between him and me. Those are two different issues. And I I asked you about that as well. Right. But what what you're trying to combine it as one, and what I'm saying is we had a conversation. I told you three times what I'm doing and you kept saying it's odd. All right, we're past that. Then you want wanted to verify what he said or what I said cuz you said you could get three or two different conversations. That's a separate issue. Our conversation, what I told you, he verified. There was nothing There was nothing else. So, uh at this point, you going to run my plates, I think I'm going to just stay here longer and and film all of the cars that come out of here with their license plates cuz you're going to run my plate. That's how I feel about it. What seemed like a routine check ends up revealing how power can be used in very different ways. And perhaps the most important thing isn't the outcome, but what we've just witnessed. Up next, a seemingly routine encounter quickly turns tense as rapid questioning and sensitive demands arise despite no violation having occurred. Sir. No. Can you come over here with me? No, you come over here. I don't want to cross the street. Huh? I don't want to cross the street. I can't hear you. I don't want to cross the street. Well, why not? You crossed several streets. I know. I just don't want to cross the street right now. Okay. Do you have an ID on you? Um I don't. Okay. I need some form of ID with you that you have. Do I have to give you ID? Yes, sir, you do. So, how how is that? I don't I don't have any >> for identification purposes. >> have any problem giving you ID. Okay. Um but as long as there's a lawful reason for doing that. Yes, because I'm in doing a conducting an investigation and and I would like to just get your ID just for identification purposes. >> Okay. Um I'm I'm going to decline to give it. Am I Are you suspecting me of a crime? Am I committing a crime right now? >> but if if you could understand where I'm coming from, you're out here with a shotgun, you got your shells and all that good stuff, you're videotaping me, which is perfectly fine. I'm used to that. Okay. And um So, just for identification purposes for my report. So, so So, I just have one question for you. If I don't give ID, then then then how do you handle that? Well, there's other ways to handle it, but we don't really need to do all that. I mean, if you could just give me your ID and we can talk about why you're out here with your gun and what all's going on and why you're videotaping, that would be great. What seemed like it would end with a few initial questions quickly escalates within seconds as further demands are made. And from that point on, the conversation turns into a tense confrontation. Um am I being detained right now? Yes. Okay. What am I being detained for? For while I'm completing my investigation as to why you're out here with your shotgun or But you're aware that it's legal to open carry a rifle or shotgun out in public, right? >> Is there an ordinance against it? No, but when we get a call like this, usually everybody cooperates with Nobody gives us a hard time. >> I don't mind cooperating. >> Okay. Um but what I do mind is >> Is this just Is it just for the purpose of YouTube? Like is that all Is that all it is? >> Well, well, let me let me finish. I don't mind cooperating at all. I don't mind giving ID. I don't I'm not trying to hide who I am. But I do have a problem here is is that you're giving Look. You can talk to me. She doesn't She needs to hear it cuz you're not asking me for ID [ __ ] You're good. So anyway, what I do have a problem is is is giving an ID to an officer who tells me I have to when I don't. I didn't say you had to. I asked you for it. Do I have to give you ID? >> Yes, sir, you do. >> Do I have to give you ID? >> Yes, sir, you do. >> Do I have to give you ID? >> Yes, sir, you do. Okay. So I don't want to >> Okay. And why wouldn't you want to give it to us? And then you know on top of that I'm being detained and still there's like no crime here. >> this. What What purpose are you trying to to do out here? I mean, what's the point? >> my right to open carry. Okay. And that's okay. But do you understand that we've gotten several calls on you and we're just wanting to know why you're out here. I mean, it's You're You're right. It's completely fine that you're out here, but you know, in order for this to be okay, not that to be okay. That's not the right terminology. You know, you're out here videotaping and all that. You've got that right, too. But just to cooperate with us, issues like this that cause things to happen, to go wrong, when all I did was simply ask you for your ID. I'm doing my job. I'm coming out here and asking the public The public asked me to come see what was going on, so that's what I'm doing. And I don't understand what the problem is. So they asked you to come out and see what's going on and and you have and I've told you what I'm doing. >> But I also for my report I need to get your ID because we have to I have to cuz the sergeant's going to ask me, "Why didn't you get him identified?" Cuz we do that for all our reports and I don't understand what the big deal is with you. I mean, unless you got a record or something, unless you've got warrants or something, then that would be the reason. >> right now like not one of the ID goes with some red flags, right? >> Exactly. The exchange begins to heat up as the demands are repeated, yet the answers still don't resolve anything. And within seconds, a new detail emerges that could completely change the situation. If it's If If you're causing alarm by the public, we can drive by. We know there's open carry. We're We're fine with that. But when it causes alarm and somebody said that you had your finger on the trigger, which caused for concern. We don't know if that's true or not. It's just we go off of what the caller says. Which which we know nobody called in and said that. We know what they called in and said. You know that they didn't call in and say >> At least we know what your dispatcher said. So >> What did she say? Let's get on to the nitty gritty. So let's let's get on to the nitty gritty. >> No, that's that is what she said. Okay, then what's then what's the crime? If you want to read my call notes, you can. That's what they said. >> be great. That that's >> Because so far you haven't told me what if I'm committing a crime or that you suspect me of committing a crime. >> crime. We didn't say you were committing And you don't suspect me of committing a crime, right? So if you know what they called, were you all the ones that called? Having a finger on the trigger or having it in a ready position, that would be against the law. Which is what they said. But what I'm asking is if you say >> which is what I just that I asked you initially, right? Just when the conversation seems to reach its peak tension, an unexpected turn shifts the situation, but it's not the end. Only the beginning of what follows. Not with what the call came out as. Were you all the ones that called? No, absolutely not. >> Well, how would you know? And I'm not going to answer that question. But I have a feeling that y'all were fishing for this. >> But And and y'all called in, so y'all are abusing 911. I'm just exercising my right to carry. >> just leave him alone. They're they're setting us up. They went to the PD and they recorded everything. So let's just leave. Let's just leave. Hey, can I get some Can I just get some name and badge numbers from Nobody nobody wants to give me their name and badge numbers. Thank you guys for being [ __ ] Learn the law. 3802 federal identify. Learn it. Especially you, lady. So here goes the drive of shame. It's a little different than the walk of shame, but definitely is a drive of shame. Interview. Huh? Interview with the Oh, I'm going to go down here and find out what they're talking about till they [ __ ] leave. I heard you it's all been set up. Oh, they wanted they wanted to get some ID but I I heard that one start to get kind of loud that guy. Yeah. Sergeant said to leave us alone so 1165231 I can't see a plate on that one but units unit is 945. He didn't want his phone number he didn't want his unit on video. In the end, no further action is taken and no charges are filed. What seemed like a simple situation ends up revealing conduct that leaves viewers with a lot to think about. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights could face financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. In a civilized society, the law is not only a tool to maintain order. It is also the foundation that protects each individual's freedom. Hey everyone. What do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.