We have to ask you to go next door though because we can't have any clients or members of the public here in this building. >> Well, it looks like this business would like you out of the building and off the property. >> Sir, you can't you can't record in the police station. Okay. You're not aware of that. >> When newly recruited police officers do not clearly understand the law, anyone can become a victim. >> You can be across the street recording. >> Isn't that a public building? >> No. >> Is not a public building. Police Department is not like a public library. The police department has a solution. >> Giving orders without understanding the law is not law enforcement. It is an abuse of power. A citizen enters a public building with unlocked doors and no posted restrictions. But the atmosphere quickly shifts when seemingly harmless questions touch a sensitive point, revealing a public facility shrouded in ambiguity about its actual use. Could something be hidden behind these always open doors? How's it going, sir? >> Hello. Looking to see if I can get a public records request form. >> That is at our main uh office, our main desk. This building is not technically opened, but our front desk can help you with that. Um, >> so, okay. So, what is this building? This was going to be the crisis solutions stabilization building, but right now we're changing it to something else. >> Oh, interesting. So, it's not even being used right now >> technically. No, just to house us, but we're not seeing clients in here or working with community. >> Oh, okay. So, it's just a Grant County public service building. >> Working on it. >> Got you. Okay. >> I know that Cole Davidson's our current one of our managers. She knows way more about our department than I do. I'm just on the crisis team. So, >> Okay. So what is uh what caused it such that this building wasn't going to be used for its intended purposes? >> Yeah, honestly. >> Did it just open? >> This building's technically never opened. So >> wow. So they intended it to have a particular function and they just decided to completely change it. Do you know what it's going to change to? >> Unknown. I'm I'm just a worker be honestly I don't know. Nicole Davidson would be your person to ask though or Dell Anderson. He's our main director. So, it's just it's literally just a county building that's being unused. It's >> housing the crisis mobile team. >> But beyond that, yeah, no other purpose. >> Okay. >> This is my supervisor. So, >> hey, how's it going? >> Hey, who are you? >> Uh, my name is Gandalf. Just here uh collecting some information uh about the facility and uh I just got some information on my investigative reporting here to tells me that this building really isn't even being used. What What happened? Well, we're it's being used for the crisis team. >> Gotcha. But >> we house the crisis team. >> Was it meant to >> I don't feel comfortable answering questions. I don't know who you are. You have a camera recording us. I I don't >> Well, I'm just an investigative journalist. >> Yeah. All right. So, >> okay. >> Through the exchange, it gradually becomes clear that the facility never officially opened, is no longer used for its original purpose, and is currently only being used internally. From these vague answers, the situation quickly shifts when management appears and the conversation moves from seeking information to being told to leave, signaling that tensions are beginning to escalate. >> Hi, >> how are you? >> Good. How you doing? >> I'm good, thanks. >> Good. >> Um, so I I'm going to have to ask you to go next door, though, because we can't have any clients or members of the public here in this building. >> It's open to the public. Uh, so it's not cuz this building is not licensed to have clients in here. So I I have to ask to have you go next. >> Oh, yeah. I'm not a client. I'm just >> No, I know. But even just members of the public because there are staff working here. So for HIPPA and confidentiality reasons, we can't have anyone in the building that's not a staff member. So you're welcome to go to the lobby next door, though. >> I'm still not understanding why I can't be here and film. >> Um, because you're not a staff member here. >> It doesn't say it's a restricted building. Um, correct. It doesn't say it on the door, but I'm not able to have someone that's not a staff member. There are people working here. So, for confidentiality and hippo reasons, I can't have you in the building. So, I'd be happy to walk you next door to the lobby. >> So, you're saying a member of the public can't be here, but you can't point to exactly what the statutory authority is or the administrative code authorities. >> HIPPA. I because of HIPPA. >> HIPPA. HIPPA applies to you, not me. >> Right. But I can't I have staff working here that have confidential and private health information that they're working on. So I can't have members of the public people that are non staff members here in the building. So >> Well, why is it open to the public then? >> I mean it's not it's not open to the public. This it's open to staff. >> Walked right in. >> Correct. Cuz the door is unlocked. >> Sure. It's a county building. >> Yes. For county employees. Are you a county employee? >> No. But it doesn't say it doesn't say authorized personnel only. I mean, you you know by administrative codes, of course, that if you're going to restrict the public from accessing a public building that we pay for, you have to have the appropriate documents or signage up to prevent us from coming in or lock the door or whatever. >> Okay. Well, I'm I'm going to have to ask you to leave again cuz my staff can't work here. If you're here in the building, if you don't want to leave, I'll call law enforcement and have them ask you to leave. >> Oh, sure. You want to give him a ring? No problem. I'll hang out for him. >> We'll do. What was your name again, sir? >> Gandalf the White. >> Okay. Gandalf White. >> After repeated demands to leave were made without clear justification, the situation escalated when police intervened directly, turning an administrative dispute into a genuine legal confrontation. >> Why would I do that? >> Okay. >> How's it going? >> All right. How you doing? >> I'm doing all right. >> Cool. >> So, I've been asked to come talk with you. Um, do you mind talking with me? >> I do. >> Okay. football. You You have that right. Um I do. >> I see that you're recording. We're also recording. Everything's up video. >> Good. Good. That's good. >> Okay. Uh is there anything that uh you were looking for? Is there a reason that you're here? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um do you have business here? >> I do. >> He doesn't. >> Okay. Um well, it looks like this business would like you out of the building and off the property. >> Are you guys asking to have me trespass? I'm asking to have you leave right now cuz I can't have my staff perform with you here in the building. >> If you're if you're requesting I'm not going to honor that request. If you're asking me to be trespassed, >> then that's something you need to do if they're going to in fact issue me a trespass warning in accordance with the administrative codes of Washington state. So you guys are going to have to make that decision. Do you want to do it or not? >> You want to trespass? >> So basically just tell them if you are trespassing your lady. >> Are you going to do that? And before you make that decision, who are you? What's your position so that I know who's making the decision? >> So, you haven't given us any of your identifying information. I don't feel comfortable. >> You're a government employee. I I have a memor. I don't need to give you anything. You're a government. >> So, neither I don't have to give you anything. >> You're a government employee. >> I'll just do a public records request. >> Okay. >> I mean, if that's how you want to go down, feel free. >> But for you, are you are you going to be the one director? >> Okay. So, you are you asking me to be trespassed? >> I'm asking you to leave. >> I'm denying the request. Are you asking me to be trespassed? There's this process for being trespassed. >> You're right. It's in accordance with the Washington Administrative Code 4683 806. That's the process. Do you want that done or not? >> No. >> You guys can leave >> or stay. Just >> so I don't was requesting you to leave. It was telling you to leave. >> No. No. They're requesting. They ask me to leave. >> We're telling you to leave. >> Okay. So, you want me trespass? >> I think there's a difference in what that is. >> There absolutely is. Yeah. >> If you're ordering me off the property, you're trespassing me. If that's the case, I want a tr a no trespass warning from the local police department trespass me in accordance with that Washington administrative code >> and we can do that. >> So if you would like our assistance in having him leave the property, I need to know that he that you want him trespassed from his propert. >> Police ordered the individual to leave the building without clearly establishing a legal basis. This approach raises concerns about procedural violations, infringement on freedom of movement, and improper interference with a citizen's right to observe and record in a public space. With the legal boundaries still undefined, tensions reached a peak when a final decision was made and just one more step could have pushed the situation in an irreversible direction. >> You threatening us? >> That's not a threat. That's a that's a thing you're comp you're compelled to do as a government. have a lot of staff here that's very busy and they need to get >> So, are you going to do it or not? >> Yes. >> All right. >> Okay, >> let's go outside. I'll take the no trespass warning then. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Let's do that. >> Now, what happens if I go back tomorrow into that building? You'll have to proceed with criminal trespassing. Would that be in the second degree? >> I don't >> believe it' be second degree. >> I don't believe that's how we're going to move forward with this. >> Well, how would you move forward? You you can't get my ID unless you have RA that have committed a crime. >> We'll address it when it happens. We're not going to hypothetically if this happens. >> But um I guess >> we're not going to walk this back that you guys just ordered me out after they trust me because you said on C. No, hold on, Campbell. You said on camera, do you want assistance with us removing him from the building? You said it on camera and then he said I wanted trespass. the mechanism, the implication was a threat of arrest. Now that he said, "I want trespass." You guys are doing two things wrong now. One, you're not giving me that no trespass warning in accordance with the whack. Two, you're trying to walk it back and make it seem like there wasn't some duress that I was put under. Absolutely, I was put under duress. >> The implication was if I go back in there, I'm going to get arrested for criminal trespassing in the second degree. >> What's that? It's the duress I was put under. Killer, pay attention. >> Well, yeah, we can take off here. Okay, >> as of right now, I guess uh it is what it is. >> So, where am I criminally trespassed? Just inside that building. >> There are no criminal charges right now. >> All right. Excuse me. Let me [music] correct. Thank you. Where am I being given a no trespass warning for? Is it just inside that building? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, the rest of all this is good. >> I suppose so. >> All right. >> All right. Man, you guys are making it. >> Although police claimed to apply a trespass order, they carried it out incompletely and inconsistently, creating a legal gray area and raising concerns of abuse of power used to pressure a citizen to leave the building. A citizen may sue police under section 1,983 when their rights are violated, and officers who commit such violations may be held liable for damages and face discipline or termination. Up next, an action that seemed entirely ordinary, yet it triggered a series of hard to believe reactions from those wearing the uniform of authority. Are you recording? right now. >> Hi, how are you? >> I'm good. And you? You're not allowed to be reporting here. >> I'm grateful. >> Huh? >> I said I'm grateful. >> All right, that's good to know. You know you can get arrested, right? >> For what? >> Recording on it. Hey, sir. Sir, you can't can't record in the police station. Okay. You're not aware of that. But you can record outside across the street on the sidewalk or inside of this facility. You can't record. I thought the right to record act gives us permission to record. >> No, outside from the outside. Not come. Let me show you. >> I'll give you any information you want. >> Bro, why are you standing so close to me? >> Come on. >> What you wanted to What you wanted to show me? >> Give you the I can give you the part of the law that says that you cannot, but you're not allowed to. So, >> can you print that out for me? >> I can't print it out for you. I'll find it for you, though. I'll write it down for you. >> Okay. >> So, you got to be like Can't listen to two people at the same time. >> You can record not on the police facility, not on the balcony here. You can be across the street recording. >> Isn't that a public building? >> No. >> It's not a public building. >> Police department is not like a public library. The police department has it so protect. >> The conflict clearly began to take shape when the person filming was ordered to stop recording inside the precinct, justified by claims that it was not permitted, yet without citing any specific law. It was precisely this confusion between policy and law that caused the exchange to escalate quickly as questions about the right to record became more direct and the risk of enforcement action started to surface. >> Act which is state law >> which expressly gives us permission to record you. >> You cannot record in public buildings >> inside the police building like a federal building law enforcement. >> You can record any federal building >> inside and outside. >> Wait, listen. No, you said something. So, I said something. I'll let you >> Let me finish that. You're cutting me off. >> Go ahead. >> So, law enforcement building is not allowed. I'll find that jurisdiction for you, but you can't come in with nothing on your >> You cannot be in the balcony if you got to be on the side across the street. I'll look it up for you, though. What's your name, sir? >> What's your name, sir? >> Oo. >> Can I have your card, please? >> Yeah, sure. And >> yours, too? Okay. But you cannot be >> Can I get your card, ma'am? >> We can use the car now, but you cannot be up here. The other can record from sideways. >> I can record from right here. >> Business. >> Oh, this is our balcony. So, you cannot be >> Who's ours? >> When you say ours, who do you mean? >> Okay, let me get you a card. Hold on. Hold on. >> When you say ours, who do you mean? >> You want the number two? >> I didn't hear you. >> You want the number two? >> The number? >> Yeah. >> Like a badge number? >> What? My badge number here if you want. I meant like a call back number. the phone number for the precinct. Yeah, hold on. I got it. >> You don't start your conversations with hi, how are you? >> I did say hi. I even to you in front of the Alo store. >> Oh, hi. I thought you was talking to the security guard. >> Oh, you? >> Oh, hi. How are you? >> Yeah, I'm good. And you? >> I'm grateful. >> How's your day doing so far? >> So far so good. I just wish you guys knew the law. >> We do know our law. >> So, how you don't know the right to record act? This is a state law. Oh, so you can report, but you can't report inside of a police department. >> Why not? That's a public building. >> It is a public building, but it's still against the law to report. I can show you. I can pull it up for you right now. >> Natural patrol guide. The actual law. >> I have it right here. I have an app. There's an app that shows all the laws. So, are you trespassing me from this building? >> Are you trespassing me from this building? I mean, so right now it's more of like a a warning like don't you can't record in here. >> That's all it is. >> So we can't record in public buildings. >> You can't record in a police department. The person filming directly challenged police over the right to record, but when asked to cite the specific law prohibiting it, officers were unable to identify any charge. As the question, under what law went unanswered, the dialogue unexpectedly shifted into personal exchanges, exposing stark differences in how the law is understood and enforced within the same department. >> Are you a sergeant? >> Yeah. >> Can you tell me what the law is? >> So, The way it works is if you walk in and horn, they'll ask you to stop. If you refuse to stop, then you get arrested for justice. >> So you you won't be arresting me for photography. You're not arresting me for photography. >> Video >> on the the charge will be photography. What would the charge be? What would I be charged with? >> It's in every prison. Every command is the same. I'm asking you if I was to go in there and record, what what would I be charged >> to record? They'll ask you to stop. >> Uhhuh. >> If you don't stop, they'll do. >> It's It's as for our legal bureau and everything. So, >> I know I understand what you're saying. And it's all set. >> What I'm asking you is what I what would I be charged with? >> Penal war charge. Off the top of my head, I don't know. >> Trespassing, right? >> So, you're not arresting me for photography. You'll be trusted >> cuz you can't arrest me for photography, especially not in public. >> No, >> because it's protected. >> Say it again. >> Because it's protected >> by you. >> Is that sign? Are you referring to that sign? >> Yeah, that one right there. >> Is that sign a policy or a law? >> It's awful. >> Yeah. I'm trying I'm just trying to find a law right now. >> Okay. >> You're going to be looking forever cuz there is no law. It's a policy. >> There is a law. I studied it in the academy so I don't >> So I'll wait here. >> All right. >> What made you want to become a cop? I always wanted to be a bestseller man. >> Why? >> Well, I like to help people. >> I like to help people. That wasn't bad. >> I'm an athlete, so good. >> I might be Spider-Man. I had to check to see if I'm Spider-Man or not. See those reflexes? >> Yeah. Let me know where you get those flexes. >> I'll save you. >> Yeah. The tension temporarily eased as the conversation shifted to personal exchanges, revealing clear differences in legal understanding among the officers. Under the same body of law, their interpretations and applications were completely different. And when the focus returned to realworld consequences, the effects of misunderstanding the law became unmistakably clear. Can you see if I get uh two uh CCB complaint forms? >> Yeah, when she comes back out, she got >> I don't think she's coming back out. >> Stay out here for a second. >> She wasn't This isn't her post. >> No, it's not. I don't know. I I'm going to >> Okay, I see you up there. >> Yeah, I see you up there. >> You guys are decent out there. >> Yeah. >> You guys are decent. Like the guy that was here, he's been he's always been polite to me. You know what I mean? >> No reason. >> I ran into these two officers from the CRC, I believe. >> Uh-huh. >> They was on 111th, 112th. >> Okay. >> Between first or second and first two, three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But they was CRC, bro. Like critical response or some [ __ ] >> Okay. Yeah. >> Two of the worst I've ever ran into. >> Hi. homie came up to me talking about I got to give him respect. And then he goes I said, "You got to earn respect." >> Nah, this uniform is respect. >> Really? >> I said, "Wow, you bugging, bro." Like, >> and then he goes, >> he goes, "I'mma make it home safe tonight. [ __ ] that. I'm making it home safe." >> Really? >> I said, "So, it's [ __ ] public safety as long as you make it home safe." >> As long as we all safe, that's what it >> Yeah. But like you can like And then the guy kept flashing his flashlight in my camera. So, I'm trying to tell him about prior restraint. Once you see I'm okay. I got a cigarette in one hand, a camera in the other. >> You see I'm not a threat. Got to stop flashing flashlight in my camera. >> If you continue to flash your flashlight in my camera, you're now violating my rights cuz you're prohibiting me from recording >> and just dirty. Just it was nasty. If you're on camera, why not? And you're in uniform, why not be professional? Like, you don't know. This [ __ ] goes viral nowadays. You know what I mean? Yeah, that >> I want to run into good officers. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I don't. >> But they got that mentality that as soon as you see somebody recording or they just looking for a reaction like that's not it. >> That's not always the case. Not with me at least. >> I appreciate that. >> I'm just trying to make sure you guys honor your oath. And a lot of y'all do. The ones up there in Harlem, they do for the most part. >> See you later, my brother. God bless you. All right. Thank you. You, too. The person filming shifted to post incident follow-up by requesting CCB complaint forms and recounting prior instances of interference with recording, showing that the issue was not isolated but recurring and underscoring the need for police oversight and accountability. A healthy society is not built on fear but on transparency, accountability, and mutual respect. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, [music] and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]