Okay, you cannot be taking pictures >> in the parking lot. >> Technically right now you are being >> For what? For what? What crime? >> Okay. >> What crime? >> This is this is the issue. You cannot be doing >> Be careful. >> Just a camera, yet it was enough to make the police lose control. When a law-aware citizen confronts abused authority, the truth begins to come to light. >> This This building right here is a hospital. I don't but they it's it's a state hospital. So, they declined my entrance to the main lobby. I'm well within my rights to go in that public lobby and film. I just want I just want to be there for 1 minute. >> Not a criminal, yet still threatened with arrest. And this time, the person standing up doesn't stay silent. The consequences could go far beyond what they expected. A man was simply filming, but within minutes, he was stopped, questioned, and everything quickly escalated into a tense confrontation with the police. >> Copy. >> What are you doing, sir? >> Nothing. Just taking pictures. >> Taking pictures of what? >> Whatever I can see. >> Okay, you are not allowed to be in the parking lot of the reformatory taking pictures. >> I wasn't in the parking lot. >> Okay, you cannot be taking pictures >> in the parking lot. >> Okay, sir. >> I was on the roadway. It's a public easement, right? Utility poles. >> It is policy you are not >> I don't care. I don't care about your policy. >> You don't care about policy? >> care about their policy. I'm not behind those walls. >> Okay. Do you want to end up behind the walls? >> I don't think I will. >> Because it is There are There are things in place to keep you out. >> Be careful. >> I'm being careful. >> Okay. You need to also be >> You said policy. That is not law. >> Okay. >> Law says I can >> Okay, but what's your purpose for doing so? [music] >> Whatever I want it for. >> Whatever you want it for? >> Yep. >> Okay, well, that's the problem. See, it's suspicious activity. All right, that's why we're here talking to you. >> Let me ask you a question. >> Yeah. >> Is suspicion Is suspicion >> Suspicion of a of criminal activity afoot is a reason for us to be out here talking to is suspicion a misdemeanor or felony? It's neither. But I see there you go. You can ask all you want. It's an investigation and if you don't if you're not going to cooperate I don't have to cooperate with your investigation. I'm not lawfully and not under no obligation to cooperate with you. No. Okay. I'm just going to tell it to you this way. Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Technically right now you are being For what? For what? What crime? Okay. What crime? This is this is the issue, okay? What? You tell me what crime and I will tell you. I'm not going to be quiet. I don't have to be quiet. Yes, I do. Detained means you're not free to leave. You are not free For what crime? For what crime? You're not being detained for a crime. Then I I should be free to go. What is your What is your rats? What is your rats? Okay. What is your What is your rats that I that a criminal activity is a foot? You are taking pictures and videoing a Is that illegal? >> The argument spiraled out of control as the camera man kept demanding a clear reason for being detained, but the officers' vague answers only made things more tense. And right then, a supervisor arrived on scene, leaving it unclear whether the truth would finally come out or things would become even more complicated. >> Is that illegal? >> Do you guys Do you guys arrest a Google car that comes down through here and takes pictures of all this? I can see it on Google Maps. >> That's cuz they use something like from above. >> No, they drive right down through here. >> But they don't take pictures of it. >> Yes, they do. That's how I found the place. >> So what's your But what is your purpose for being out here? >> None of your business. >> Other than trying to get it on YouTube and be famous. >> None of your business. If that's what you think, then you're going to be famous. Am I free to go? Am I free to go? >> You're not free to go. >> Why not? >> Because >> Because you're butt hurt. Your ego won't let me continue about my way? >> It's got nothing to do with my ego, sir. >> Then why I'm >> I am here because you >> This is legally, constitutionally protected activity. First Amendment. I'm a journalist gathering content for a story on the prison, on that prison, and the juvenile center. >> And do you have any identification to show? >> I don't have to show you. I don't have to show you. >> If I ask you for ID, you do have to >> No, you do No, I do not. >> Yes, you do. >> Not unless I'm legally >> to identify if you're committing >> If I'm legally arrested. >> You don't have to be committing a crime. >> I I I >> If I'm legally in the state of Indiana I have no weapons. I have a pocket knife, that's it. >> Okay. >> And that's all I have. >> here as well, okay? Because I am legally here, if I tell you I need to >> step it down a little bit and stop yelling, okay? >> Well, if you'd stop talking over me, I would not be yelling. >> I don't have to listen to you. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm going to be free to go on my way. >> No, you're >> How am I going Why not? >> Because we're not done with this investigation. >> can tell me that I had broken the law for you to stop me, I'm going to leave. >> You are not free to leave. You're going to stand by until there's other people here. >> Uh what other people? >> There's other guys on >> For what? >> Because >> Because you're a You're an egomaniac. You're a puss. >> with ego, okay? >> You're a puss. You got to call your You got to call your little >> That's why you're here in the first >> I don't have to help you with [music] that. I do not have to cooperate with you at all. One bit. And you know you're wrong cuz you're shaking your head. You know I'm right. [clears throat] >> I'm not wrong. >> You are wrong. And you're going to find Where's your supervisor? >> He's the one who >> The situation seemed to calm down, but the conflicts over authority and the law were still unresolved. As the cameraman continued asking direct questions, everything suddenly took an unpredictable turn. This became the turning point where the truth began to emerge. >> [music] >> While pushing the confrontation to a level of tension higher than ever before. >> Lawfully. Lawfully. Lawfully detained? >> Yes. >> What is your wrath that I am suspicious? >> The fact that you're videoing the prison. >> It is constitutionally protected activity for journalists, for citizens. >> Then you need to provide identification. >> I don't have to provide you anything, sir. No, I don't. >> having to raise my voice because you won't stop trying to talk to >> Because you're being dumb. >> No, I >> You're being dumb. Your ego will not let you walk away. >> reason if you think that the reason you're allowed to be videoing the prison is because you are a journalist. >> I'm a citizen journalist. >> provide some sort of proof that you are a >> Sir, who who issues credentials? Who issues credentials? >> Every single news media outlet that >> Corporate media. CNN, Fox News. >> journalist that needs to try to do a story on the prison. >> I'm gathering content on the story. That's all I'm doing. What? About 3 years. Can you I'm doing a story on the prison, gathering content, B-roll footage. I haven't gone onto their property, up in the gate. I don't know why they told you I was in their parking lot. I've always been on the roadway. I'm riding my bike. I've been spotting trains. Other people been riding their bikes up and down through here. Nobody said anything. Only because I have a camera. >> Right. Right. >> That's it. >> But you do understand though they're just being cautious and all. >> And that's fine. You can come out and ask me all you want, but I need him educated that this is constitutionally protected activity. It's not It cannot be deemed a criminal act or suspicious. You can come out and ask all the questions you want, but Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Because it's I'm not committing a crime. >> Let me ask you a quick question. If somebody comes to your house >> That's my house, sir. >> But they stand on the sidewalk, which is public property. >> Absolutely. >> And they sit there and they're videoing your house. >> Absolutely they can't. >> You wouldn't think that's suspicious? >> Nope. Because they're on a public sidewalk. And actually a public sidewalk runs across my front yard. And people stand out there and walk up with cigarettes and everything like I can completely understand what you're saying. >> We're just trying to make sure nothing else is going on. >> Absolutely. >> Like I said, as long as you're not on the property >> All the arguments were gradually laid bare, but instead of reaching a clear conclusion, the situation became harder to control as tensions continued to escalate. The atmosphere at the scene began to shift and what happened next would send the entire story in a completely different direction. >> I mean, like I said, we're just trying to make sure. I mean >> You guys have cards? You guys have business cards? >> have a business card, but I can give you my number or the our post number, which is >> Well, I was actually going to go over there, too. So, if you guys see me over there just don't just >> Okay. >> Don't bother. >> got to understand when you're on the, you know, the property and they have cameras and stuff. >> Oh, sure. >> You may get a call >> Sure. Absolutely. >> why are you filming it, and just ask questions. All right? >> Asking questions are fine, but detaining me for an unlawful reason and telling me that I'm going to end up behind these bar behind these walls You asked if Can I Let me have your name and badge number, please? >> My name is Matthew and my badge number is 9435. >> Thank you. That's enough. Your sergeant's here. Your sergeant's here. I'll talk to him. Oh, you're not? You said you're sergeant. You're the supervisor. >> I'm a post supervisor. >> Oh, you said your sergeant was on the way. So, that's why I thought that you were >> It's fine. But like I said, you know, we don't need any calls. >> And I don't either. I have no ill will, no ill intent and that's fine. I get it. But Uh I was probably back there about 10 minutes. One guy came out and said he was uh worked for the government and I had to do what he said. I told him to basically kick rocks. >> Were you like on the on this road? >> I was between the parking lot and their entrance. >> Okay. >> Where that stop sign I was right next to that stop sign. The second time I stopped, I was right in front of the uh the entranceway across from their but I was still on the road. I wasn't behind those that barrier. >> Well, overall are you done filming [snorts] or are you like >> Well, down here I got to come back this way but I'm going to move on down that way cuz there's what? Two more facilities down there, right? >> Got you. Okay. All right. Well, like I said, as long as you're not on the property, like I said, if you if you could stay >> But sir, that's your policy. That's not law. >> I've you know, escape things or set up people for >> You have three separate sir, you I've done security. You have three separate lines of security back there. But I'm on the you cannot trespass my eyes. >> What's considered you guys's property? >> Just when things seemed to reach their limit, new details emerged that suddenly shifted the situation and the tension at the scene heated up once again. The situation had now entered a critical stage where every word and action could determine the final outcome. >> What? Do you guys maintain this? Does the prison maintain this? >> We do. >> On contract with the state, right? >> I assume that's where it is. >> So, it's state >> So, here's the thing. >> It's public. >> They're saying it's their property, all right? So, if they're saying it's their property, he works here. So, he would know if this is their property or not. >> Sir, their property and >> This is all state property right here. >> Then my taxpayers pay for it, right? Do my taxpayers pay for it? Tax dollars? >> So, so we don't escalate any Are you done filming or >> I'm just going to go on down through here and do the same thing that I've been doing. >> Okay. Are you >> And then when I get to the end, I'm going to turn around and come back. >> Okay. Are you able to go around the other side of the train tracks to film? >> No. Why would I do that? >> Because it's their property and they're saying that a >> it's not you guys [music] need to find out where their property is then before you tell me I had to vacate. Because this is not this road is not their property. It is a public road. >> Okay, so >> It has to be. >> It is okay. >> Because it's a cut through there's a neighborhood back there. That's just fine. >> Exactly what their property is, all right? >> I I will do that. That is a deal. That is perfectly fine. And I didn't get your name and badge number, I'm sorry. >> My name is Trent Jones. >> Trent Jones, okay. >> 8887 is my badge. >> 8887, thank you. >> After all the prolonged arguments and tension, the situation finally came to an end, but without any apology or clear acknowledgement of wrongdoing, leaving behind controversy and serious questions about how authority is exercised. What happened wasn't just an isolated confrontation, but a reflection of a much larger issue surrounding civil rights and the limits of the law. Up next, a man simply wanted to enter a public building, but was immediately denied, avoided, and shut out. What is being hidden behind those walls? >> How you doing? Can you tell me what this building is about? >> No, you can look it up. >> Well, how am I supposed to look it up? This is this What services do you provide? >> There is a sign right over here, sir. >> I know, but why are you Why are you not telling me? Why can't you tell me? >> I decline to interview. >> I'm not interviewing, I'm just asking a quick question. >> I'm not I'm not I'm not um entitled to answer that for you. >> Well, you guys offer What type of services do you provide? Shut the door, yep. How you doing? I'm Enrique. >> Hello, how are you? >> What's your name? >> Jesse. >> Jesse? >> Yeah. >> Quick question, man. I know yeah. Yeah. I know that that this building right here is a hospital. I understand. But they it's it's a state hospital. So they declined my entrance to the main lobby. I know that I state police is the one that that runs this this ground. But they're not in they're not letting me in. And I'm actually working on a story and as you already know we have free press. It's it's my right to do so. So you took an oath to protect my rights and the constitution. Would you please let them know that I have I'm well within my rights to go in that public lobby and film. I just want I just want to be there for 1 minute. Yes, sir. Anselmo Morales. Okay. Understood. >> I'll be allowed to go in this building as well in the lobby. >> No, because it's all private. It's all private. It's all private. >> I I understand but these are public buildings. >> the HIPAA laws but the HIPAA laws don't allow anybody other than family. >> Okay. But you do understand HIPAA only applies to medical staff, not to the public. So that I'm I'm I don't work with medical >> The silence and avoidance were no longer just a refusal to provide information. They began to raise even more questions. And as the cameraman pressed further, the situation quickly escalated into a more tense phase. Direct confrontations broke out leading to a series of unpredictable developments. >> I'm not taking video of any medical records. So that's that's what HIPAA is. And that applies to them. Well, they don't have records laying around in the public area, do they? Well, I I understand but I'm not filming that. I just want to film the public lobby. So, if you're working here, please please officer, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just want you to >> Mr. Morales just got out of district court a couple weeks ago, you know that, right? >> Correct. >> All right, so >> Correct, but what does that supposed to mean? Like I'm supposed to stop exercising my rights? >> No, no, you can exercise your right, but for right now, I'm going back on my post cuz I just escorted my judge and I have to get back to work. And and if you want to get back to whatever project you were participating in, that's fine. >> want to take some >> to do with that, so I'm going >> Okay, so does this building have a public lobby? Please don't Please give me correct information. >> There's nothing public about this, but these are where These are where where the criminally insane and psychotic are stored. This is their housing. This is not open to the public. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. >> Does it It's not Are you 100% sure? >> been doing this for many years, Mr. Morales. >> So, if I want to get >> to come back and visit me on 6th District Monday, we can go over it, but right now I have to run back to my post. >> So, in that door, there's a sign that says no no public access? >> That doorway is heavy security and it's us and we don't allow anybody for that reason, okay? >> But it doesn't say that on the front? >> I think it's posted now. >> Oh, well, you know >> But that's why we're there in the front. >> Officer, this is why I do this, you know? This is why I do this. I don't want to be I don't want to be, you know, disrespectful in any way to you or anything, but you do know that >> You're on You're on You're on bail, right, Mr. Morales? >> I'm actually on probation. I was on probation today. >> be a probation violator. >> How How am I going to violate my probation? >> If you come into this building, you will be violating your probation. >> Oh, really? You would arrest me if I go in there? You would really arrest me, sir? >> Hey, fam, hold that door open for me, please. >> So, you would arrest You would arrest >> Have a nice day. >> It's It's not a nice day when, you know, when my rights are being violated. >> right. These are >> The arguments were no longer just simple questions. They began to touch on more sensitive issues, making the atmosphere noticeably tense. And when a new factor was suddenly introduced, the entire situation quickly shifted in a direction that became harder to control. >> It is my business if it's been funded by us. Don't you think? >> Sir, due to the privacy of our patients, we are not supposed to film on these grounds. >> Well, I'm in public right now. I can >> This is a state property. It doesn't mean it's public property. >> It's state property. It's public property. >> It's private property. >> Yes, it is. >> It's private property. >> Yes, it is. I just spoke to the police officer. He said I'm not allowed in there, which I think he's wrong, but >> 50 ft from the entrance. >> What law says that? >> I'll be right out. >> Okay. >> So, 50 ft from the entrance would be >> This is This is like 50 ft from the entrance. But, where does it say that? You know what I mean? Where does it say that? Let's go. Let's go. We already We already We already proved our point. We already proved our point. He threatened to arrest me if I go in there. And that's a public place. Even if Even if you're nice, they still want to be an ass to you. That's not fair. That's not fair. So, there you go, guys. That's how they roll. Threats, lies. Threats and lies. Please, guys, make sure you subscribe to Auditing America and Alan LaForte on YouTube. We'll see you next time. Damn, everybody's so rude. >> The situation had moved far beyond a normal exchange as warnings began to surface, pushing the tension to its peak. The atmosphere at the scene shifted noticeably, and what followed sent the entire story in a completely different direction. >> services. Maybe you guys need some psychiatric psychiatric services. You guys need some psychiatric psychiatric services. You see how they were like they opened the door as soon as we approached? >> Well, the the first lady was nice. The the lady with the with the colored hair, she was nice. She was just trying to answer questions, which is you know, what you're supposed to do when you're on the shift like when you're on the job, especially as a a government employee or a state employee. Uh but the lady behind her, you can tell she was in charge. She was like "Don't talk to them. Shut the door." Like she already knew like >> She already knew who you were. Like she already knew what everything was about. >> Well, if you see >> because there can't there can't be a story here because of all the bad stuff that goes on. Oh, what's what what else do you guys do here? Could you explain to me? Oh, no, just Google it. Like no, I I that's why I'm asking you like straightforward. >> Yep. Officer, no disrespect, but you didn't protect my rights. You swore to protect my rights. >> Nice office right here. >> All of this is funded by the public. >> After all the tension and confrontation, the situation came to an end without any clear explanation or acknowledgement of wrongdoing, leaving behind controversy and many unanswered questions. What happened was [music] not just an isolated incident, but a reflection of how power is used and sometimes pushed beyond its limits. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights could face financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. A civilized society is [music] built not only on laws, but also on mutual respect between law enforcement and the public. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so [music] much. >> [music]