I don't need a reason. So we can't even verify who you are or what you are doing it for. Therefore that to be quite a big terrorist risk. >> Section 43 of the terrorism act. >> Can I leave this running? >> Of course you can. Absolutely. So these officers are going to search you now in order to see if there is anything that needs to raise that suspicion even further. >> When police themselves above the law, power becomes a tool of oppression rather than a shield for justice. But this is a public easement right of way. This is a public right of way. >> Yeah. Is there what's this like >> transparency? I'm just here to film in public. That's all. >> All right. And I'm And have I said that you can't film in public? I just asked you not to film the private property. >> Well, then I'm going to have to respectfully say I I will decline that. >> These officers believed they were in control until everything took an unexpected turn. A seemingly normal afternoon at Southampton police erupted into tension as a lawful action turned into a dramatic confrontation. >> Come down here to see what you've been doing. >> Yeah, I haven't really >> conversation with the uh selfie stick on. >> Yeah. >> Are you recording? >> I'm recording, mate. Are you recording? >> Yeah. >> Pretty sure we're both recording. If >> you want to let me know next time you start recording. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Size of this guy. >> Holding audio visual. >> So, what are you doing? >> Yeah. The same. The same. >> Okay. I'm sure in the safety of the building. >> Yeah. >> So, what are you doing? >> Just filming. >> Okay. If you could come up in the public area, that would be brilliant. >> This is This is public. >> Okay. Report center. You can go around the back. >> No, I haven't. Definitely haven't been definitely haven't been around. Well, if I have, then I'm not there now, am I? >> Okay. That's all I'm saying. >> So, if you don't go to a private area, it'll be absolutely fine. There'll be no problems. All right. Okay. This isn't This isn't a private area. You said if there are Stop recording now. >> All right. No need for the like attitude like >> Yeah, I'm making a video of what? >> Uh the police building. >> Okay. Why are you filming people's cars when they're coming out of there then? Cuz they're personal cars, aren't they? >> Yeah, cuz they're in public. >> Well, they're not in public at the moment. >> Who are who are you? >> I'm a police officer. >> All right. >> You want to see my ID? >> Yeah. I would really expect you to show it to me. >> There you go. Detective Sergeant Jamie Wiseman. >> DS. Yeah. >> Okay. And any detective works to be getting on with or >> Oh, no. I'm due to be going home. All right, then go then go home then. >> No, I'm more worried about you when people's private cars police officers get a bit jumpy about that. >> Why? >> Why you don't like us? >> Okay. Police officers come in our personal cars. We come out. >> But I don't. >> That makes me very jumpy. Just to let you know as well. Somebody as well. Okay. >> All right. Why are you What are you jumpy about? >> Well, my personal details going out on social media or something like that. So, you're just what? You just assuming that it's going to go on social. Do you know any of this? Like, you're just assuming? >> No. No. I'm asking you. >> Okay. What you What do you want me to say? Like, >> well, I want you to tell me what you're going to do with that information. >> It's my own recreation. Whatever I please to do with it. >> So, what makes you want to do it then? >> I'm not interested in anyone's private. >> The police kept questioning, citing potential terrorism risks, but the videographer insisted he was completely harmless. Are these suspicions justified? >> Police stations. Is my conversation not clear? Are you not clear on what I'm saying? >> I can film any police station whether it's Hampshire, Surrey, any >> county your personal details. >> No, I won't know. >> First name, surname, date of birth, anything like that. Address. >> Why have I committed an offense? No, >> you haven't. I'm just asking the question if you're willing to provide police. >> You seem very on edge. Is there anything I can do to put you at ease? >> I told you I'm on edge. >> This is This is a This is a camera, mate. I've given you asurances that I'm not here for any trouble. >> Very on edge. Have I explained that? Is that not Have you not registered that? I don't even think you are on edge. There's three of you. I've got a camera. Like, you guys are armed. Like, why would you be on edge? Should I not be the one that's on edge? >> When we're coming out with personal vehicles. >> Yeah, but what can I possibly do with your personal vehicle? Then you should maybe consider taking the bus to work or something. I don't really understand. >> Why should I or why should myself and my colleagues or our way of getting to work? >> Because you're so concerned about security arrangements and whatnot. So, if it's such a security risk, >> I'll tell you why. Because police officers get attacked on and off checking, right? >> That's why it makes me nervous. Okay. And they do that because people share our private information and truck us down to where we live with our families. That makes me nervous. >> So, has there been any cases of someone filming private plates and then going on to attack police officers? Well, if you don't have any idea, then you can't be making those assumptions. Like, >> I can. >> Well, no. You just said I have no idea. Like, you're a detective. I work in this industry in the security industry and I know police officers have been followed. I know police officers vehicles have been targeted. >> Okay. Well, I'm telling you >> I know that >> that I'm not interested in harming any >> but I don't know that. >> All right. Well, then what are we going to All right. How we going to how how are we going to proceed then? >> Well, I'd like you to go if possible. >> So, is that going to like what does that achieve? Like I'm not going to go. >> Well, it makes me feel better. >> I don't understand why you want want to put me put me on this edge. >> I'm not putting you putting I don't even think you are on edge. cuz I feel like you just want to come out and bark a few directives and stuff like >> any directives. >> I feel like you want to flex a bit of juris like perceived jurisdiction that you've got. >> I'm too old for that really if I'm honest. >> All right. Well, then listen. >> When section 43 powers were invoked, a seemingly serious counterterrorism search suddenly became highly controversial. >> Section 443. >> 43 is it? I think we can do that. >> I think we could do that. You >> sure you want to do that? >> Oh, yeah. I do. >> I don't think you got grounds for for a section 43 search. >> Well, I'm telling you, I think I I do. Okay. So, >> well, it's not about thinking. This is objective. It's not an opinion, is it? >> The legislation is black and white. It's not I think >> you you can have this conversation with solicitor afterwards and they can come after me at a later date. That's absolutely fine. Okay. That's your right. >> So, you're going to abuse my rights now. Yeah. >> Okay. No, I'm not. I'm I'm going to use our powers. What I'm saying, I find your behavior very suspicious. You are filming not just this police station in Hampshire, but other police stations in Hampshire. You can give me no legal. >> Listen to what you're saying. Hampshire. There's no legal reason why you are doing that other than because you want to refuse. I don't need a reason. So we can't even verify who you are or what you are doing it for. >> Therefore detail that to be quite a big terrorist risk. >> Okay. So you are now detained for this search. Okay. Okay. Under what section 43 of the terrorism act. >> Can I leave this running? >> Of course you can. Absolutely. So these officers are going to search you now in order to see if there is anything that needs to raise that suspicion even further. >> What items? Who who's conducting the search first? >> These two are going to conduct the search. >> But you've just >> launched with it. So what are what are these officers going to be searching for? >> Anything related to terrorism >> such as what? That's a bit abstract, isn't it? Any sort of specific items? >> No, not at the moment. That's what that's what we are doing it for >> to confirm who you are. >> That may help us. >> So you're searching for my ID? >> No. And anything relating to terrorism. So if all of a sudden we find ID and that says actually this bloke's okay, there's nothing to worry about. >> I am okay. I've told you. I've told you I'm okay. >> Yeah. Would have told me. But I don't know that. >> Or it might say he's on a terrorist watch list. And then we got something to worry about, haven't we? So >> you're not going to find my You're not going to find my info, though. >> That's fine. But they're going to search you for that person. >> This um power doesn't I don't have to provide my information. This power. >> No, I'm not asking to provide anything. I'm >> But you just said you're like you you're hoping to find ID this and that. Like >> Yeah. If they find it, we'll look at it. >> The search ended yet the citizen was still detained. Civil rights or abuse of power. The story exposes dangerous gaps in the legal system. That's great. >> So, the outcome of the search was negative. So, why am I still detained? If you've completed the search >> at the moment, we're trying to identify who you are. >> Oh, I know. But you've just detained me for the purpose of a search, not to find out my identity. So, now >> as as I'm as I'm further detained, this is becoming more and more unlawful because now you're detaining me to find out my name. Like, that wasn't the object of the search, was it? >> Fine. This is your discretion. But Sergeant, any any comment to make? Like you've done the search. >> It's come back negative. >> I know, but you're the one that's launched with the power. So, I feel like you're the one said he was trying to find out your identity. >> Yeah, but that wasn't the purpose of the search. Section 43 doesn't require me to give my details. >> That's what you're saying. Do you want to go? >> Yes. >> Can I have my stuff back? >> Yeah. His stuff's on your back. He's put it back. >> I'm free to go. I'm free to go. Yeah. Would you like to check us in there before we leave? Just so you can ensure that you've got your property. >> Am I free to go? >> Yeah. >> So, I'm free to stay. >> Where did you put it, mate? >> And here. >> All right. Can I get a copy of the search, please? >> So, I'm free to go. I'm free to stay as well. >> We don't We don't know who you are, do we? >> We can't write your details in there. You won't tell us what they are. >> No, mate. You're doing nothing wrong. Yeah, mate. >> You don't um You don't need to write my name. Just Just obviously write the explain the grounds for the search. >> Where you going to go now? >> I'm not going anywhere. >> You're interested? >> No, I'm I'm staying. I'm going to stay here. You >> ever been arrested before? Citizens can sue police officers under SS1,983 when their rights are violated. Officers who break the law may be required to pay damages and face disciplinary action or termination. The police could face civil lawsuits, internal investigations, and the potential loss of future authority. Up next, a seemingly ordinary morning in Winnipeg erupted into tension when a citizen with a camera confronted the police. >> Good up. Good morning. >> Good morning. What's with Why are you reporting to all the people the people in the drive-thru here? I just I'm trying to catch a a cyber truck. >> You're trying to catch a cyber truck? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, not a problem. You can catch a cyber truck anywhere on the public roads and stuff like that, right? But that's private property. You can't be reporting into private property. I understand that you're on you're on you're on the public grounds. >> I am. >> Right. Right. >> Um and if you want to catch a cyber truck, you certainly can. Um you can do that. You can report any of the traffic you want on portage. You just can't be doing that on the private property where the people are working. Right. >> But uh I can see you from public. Sorry. >> I can see it from public though, right? >> You can see it from public, right? But you when you're recording into someone's private property, right? It'd be like if I went to your house and put a camera over your fence and started looking into your yard. That's private property, right? >> That would be kind of intrusive. You know, >> that would that would be intrusive, right? >> This is a business, >> people a public business where people come and purchase coffee and donuts. And >> I I can appreciate that, right? >> Y >> Well, like I'm saying, this is private property, right? And if you're and if and if your true intent is like what you said is to catch a cyber truck 100%. I'm not saying you can't record in public. That's not what I'm saying. Uh I'm just saying not into the private property of these people. Right. >> So I can face my camera that way >> if you want to go sit on the side. >> I can face my camera that way. >> If you want to go into the public >> I can face my camera that way. >> You want to walk down the sidewalk? >> Just not this way. >> Well, your your whole intent is actually just to stand here and record all the traffic going through the drive-thru, right? It's a private business. I want to get this >> 100%. And I told you, right? You can do you can do that just not right there. Does that make sense? >> But this is a public easement >> right away. This is a public right away. >> Yeah. Is there what's this like >> transparency? I'm just here to film in public. That's all. >> Right. And I'm And have I said that you can't film in public? I just asked you not to film the private property. Well, then I'm going to have to respectfully say I I will decline that quest of yours because I I want to catch everyone's reaction to me doing this. >> Okay. So, now you're causing mischief, right? >> No, it's not because you said you now you're looking to garner a reaction from people. >> People are wonderful and and just it's not right for them to come at me like you are. >> How am I coming at you? I've been nothing but respectful I haven't threat. But even approach me, I'm >> The confrontation between civil rights and the police escalated into intense tension with unprecedented debates over law and privacy. >> All right. Like the reactions I get from people are just ridiculous sometimes. And it's like I want to catch that for my safety cuz if they come and attack me, then I have it on camera. Who's attacking you? >> Oh, right. >> The only you're you're you're guarding a response. >> I I had like a an 80-year-old guy give me the finger >> 100%. He's allowed to do that, right? He can extract. >> I guess so. Yeah. But in a way, like >> And you're intimidating him, right? By videotaping. >> How am I intimidating? I'm just standing there. >> So then how is he intimidating you? By giving you a reaction. That's what you're looking for on the phone, right? >> No. No. I'm just recording everyone's uh reaction. It's like fun. >> Okay. Well, people, like I said, you're trying to garner reaction from people, right? >> That's not my intention. I'm saying I'm recording. >> That's That is what you said. You said your intention was to garner people's reaction cuz you think it's fun when they react to you when you're videotaping them, right? >> Well, if they're going to be acting like that in the public, I I'm allowed to record them. >> If you're in public, like I said, 100% you can do. So, I'm not arguing with you with your ability to film in public. >> And if the people act all silly, then I'm >> okay. >> Well, why not catch that on camera? >> I'm not saying that you can't record them. They're acting silly at you, but you're saying you're saying >> for my safety, that's why I'm doing it. I know, but what you're trying to do is trying to elicit a response and then you're saying that for your safety record, but the whole reason that there might could be any threat to you is a result of people not being appreciated being recorded, which you're And so this is what we call self-imposed jeopardy. >> If I'm walking down the street and someone's shooting your knee, I don't I don't even look at them. >> Okay. So, if you want to walk down the street, I'm not going to stop you from walking away from here, sir. I'm not going to stop you from walking and videotaping. All I'm asking all all I'm and I've never prevented you from doing it. >> No, I understand your whole your whole reason for coming here. People have called and said that >> they don't want to be recorded in public. >> They don't and >> then maybe put on a mask like I'm I'm sort of, you know, semi disguising my identity. So maybe they should do that if they don't want to be on camera. >> Okay. Well, that that's I mean, but people don't have to wear disguises to feel like they should be able to be free to move around in public. Also, like I said, the Tim Horton, >> I'm not saying they have to do it. I'm saying is is is a public is not a public space. It's a private property. >> A seemingly simple request to move escalated into a battle over personal freedoms, putting both parties in a tense and awkward situation. >> Um maybe I should get your your your name and number because >> you're right and I'm going to get your name. We're having interaction. What's your name, sir? >> I go by the abbreviation of B O R D. >> You go by the abbreviation B O R D. >> Yeah. >> That's your last name or first name? That's just my nickname. I >> Okay, we'll start with your first name. >> I pref I prefer to have that uh kept private. >> Yeah. Why don't you speak with the police? >> Mhm. >> So, you can start with your first name and your last name. >> That's a negative. Sorry, officer. >> Okay. Well, then you can move along. >> Yeah, I will. I'll go to Portage. Like I said, >> you can go to port that you can go stand over there. But if you're going to continue to point the camera here, you're going to you are going to we're going to continue our arrest for cause disturbance, right? cuz you're causing a disturbance. You're causing problems, right? >> So, I just got I can only focus on portals, right? >> You can focus on cords as much as you want. >> Okay. >> Like I said, >> I just want to get in the shade here cuz it's kind of hot, you know. All right. So, my uh unlawful requests are that I cannot film this way. >> I'm telling you not to film into a private >> But that's not lawful though, right? >> All right. It is lawful. This is their private property, right? It's the same thing if you if you enter their property. But I never entered their property, though, right? >> I can't point my video cameras from my house to my neighbor's yard. It's illegal. >> Well, why would you do that, though? >> There you go. >> You just answered your own question. >> This is public. >> Yeah, it's public. I'm not going to stop you. Go ahead. >> This is the business who always rips me off. >> Every time I go here, they rip me off. So >> So then don't do business here anymore, sir. >> Well, I'm trying to Come on. You're infringing on my rights to film the drive-thru of this business. >> I'm not infringing >> from a public right of way. >> I'm not infringing on your rights, man. >> You said you wanted to catch a cyber truck. Catch a cyber truck. Is that what you want to do? See, >> if you're doing it this way, I You're not You're not trying to film a cyber truck. You have a very different intent. >> Can you disengage from me now, sir? >> You can walk away anytime. I can be It's a public. When the police used their authority to restrict a lawful action, a decision turned what was a dispute into a controversial arrest. >> I don't want to go in traffic, sir. >> It's up to you, man. >> Thanks for the off, officer. So, I'm not allowed to film towards the business of Tim Hortons from a public right of way. An unlawful request from one of these officers. An unexpected climax. a street arrest, civil rights challenged, and the story exposes dangerous gaps in law enforcement. A man was walking near his home when he was suddenly surrounded. And before he knew what was happening, his hands were locked behind his back. >> All right, you're being detained for now. Okay, >> I'll give you my license. Not too late. >> We're beyond. They said he looked like a suspect, but when he asked, "What am I accused of?" the answer made things even murkier. >> You're being detained right now. Okay. Can you please take your hands out of your pocket? >> Absolutely. >> I appreciate it. >> Here comes >> make you feel safe, but I am not the guy you were looking for. >> What's your first name? >> I don't need to tell you my name. Who you >> Keith? Right. Okay. >> Wrong. >> Is it okay? >> Wrong. >> Well, you match the description of the subject. Okay. And same hair and everything. The description of your clothing. Okay. Okay. So, I just have to ask you a few questions. Okay. Do you have an ID with you by any chance? >> Victim's going to do is show up. So, make sure uh >> No. You want me to give you my license number? >> Yeah. No, I don't want to give you my license number. >> Well, you're detained cuz I have reasonable suspicion to believe that you committed a crime. Okay. >> Did you? This is great. >> Yep. >> So, where where are you headed to? >> Home. Where's home? >> I didn't tell you that. >> He doesn't want to identify himself, though. >> Well, you have to identify yourself, but now you're an investigation. So if you want to go straight to jail, then keep it up. >> What up? >> Do you have ID on you? >> All right. You're being detained for now. Okay. >> I'll give you my license. >> Not too late. >> We're beyond that. >> I I'm beyond. >> Yeah. Let go of your hands real quick. I'm fixing. Trying to fix. Ah, >> it's a little heavy, buddy. >> Well, I'm trying to take it off so I can fix it. A even harder. >> Hold on. I have to get it out. So, >> I'm doing this much [ __ ] That really, really hurt. >> Can you help this man out with whatever he's trying to do to me? >> Here. Turn your hand. Turn your wrist. >> Turn my wrist this way. There you go. That's much better, man. >> Yeah. I'm trying to fix it up for you. >> Oh, yeah. How are you, buddy? >> You should have a pretty shot. No evidence, no witnesses, just a vague shadow, but that was enough to put him in handcuffs in the eyes of the police. >> All right. You're now going to be under arrest. Okay. >> So, we're going to go to that first car over there. >> I'm not going to be under arrest. You're underrest. I'm under arrest. >> So, just come over here. Keep going. We're going to stand right behind my car. Just be careful. yourself. >> All right. Do you have anything on you that's going to stick me, poke me, or stab me? >> Uh, no. I don't think so. Do I get to say like get to defend myself in any way? Are you going to court? >> When I go to hold it, this isn't Something's not right here. >> Well, we're trying to work with you. You didn't want to identify yourself or anything. >> I'm going to give you my ID number right now. This is like beyond me. What's going on? >> Can you hold >> I don't get to see that I've done anything incorrect. So, here's here's here's what we're going to do is the officer, the primary officer, she's going to come. She's going to um you'll have your chance in order to uh explain to the side of everything going on. >> Sure. >> Okay. The the primary officer, she was the one that drove by the go. >> Yeah. >> I got a bad left knee right now. >> And then just so I can count it. 5 6 7 8 9 $9 >> $9. Regardless, he's going to go for not identifying. >> A refusal to hand over papers, an explosive decision. The police say it's normal procedure, but the victim calls it unlawful detention. Who's really right in this game of justice? >> So, what's going to happen? I'm going to put you in a holding cell and then take all the handcuffs off of you. All right. that way. And then there's a bathroom and the holding cells and everything so you can just go ahead and stand right here to the right side of the door. Whatever. Whatever. Right side of this door. We didn't know which door. >> No, I was pointing over here. You're good. >> I'm sorry. I didn't see the gesture move. Just go ahead and step in here and then stand to the right side of that door. Just come on through here. And then we're going to make a left to that open door right there. And then you're going to follow those straight down. You're going to go into that holding yourself right over here, directly in front of you. That's good. All right. And then just bend over a little bit about 45° and then let go of your hands. That way I can get in between your hands. And then once I release the handcuff, just go ahead and put that arm that hand on top of your head. Okay. So your left one's going to be the first one. I've got dislocated. >> Okay. I got the shoulder. >> All right. And then just go ahead and step in there for me. So if you have a dislocated shoulder, any issues with shoulders, just let the Cuz I'm not going to be the one taking you out to the jail or anything. Um, >> you're going to be taking me out to the jail tonight. >> Well, so the other officer is going to ask you some questions, but as of right now, you are under arrest. So that will be me and it doesn't help me to make any comments to you. I'm just I am >> too >> I am so far removed from whatever you were doing that I am >> in the state of Florida. Unlawful confinement is defined in section 787.02 and the maximum penalty for most cases is 5 years in prison, 5 years of probation, and a fine of up to $5,000. Jerry made it clear that he intended to sue for false arrest, unlawful detention, and denial of a defense from the outset. The case illustrates the dangers of using emotional suspicion as a tool for arrest without a thorough investigation. In modern society, civil liberties, including the right to record and express opinions in public, must be fully respected. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? 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