Well, sir, you're in a government building, okay? I'm trying to talk to you and you keep turning You're talking to him like a criminal. We're not criminals. I'm sorry, the second floor is open to the public, right? No, you have to have a badge to be up here. Oh. Well, I don't want to break any laws. You're not allowed to be in the main lobby area. Okay. A confrontation between power and the law. And this time, the citizen refuses to back down. Have you seen me commit a crime on public property? Hey, so right now, you're trespassing. We were told that you need to be leaving this building. I'm telling you as a law enforcement officer to leave this building. So, I'm giving you a lawful order. Denial of service. Documented by What's your name, sir? Detective Young. Detective Young? Do you have a badge number, sir? 570. 570. Police try to force a man out of a public building. But on camera, every unlawful order is exposed. A man simply holds a camera inside a public building. But within minutes, uneasy looks appear and police are quickly called. What turned this ordinary act of filming into a tense confrontation? Excuse me. Yes, sir. Oh, I'm just recording. Thanks. These are private offices, ma'am. Oh, is this a private company? >> Yes, it is. Oh. Well, it's confidential information back there. It's not Pasco County? It is. It is, but Oh, okay. But it's not. Okay. Well, there's no restricted area signs or anything that let me know that. >> No problem. No problem. I'll take your word for it, but you should put some signs up. That's kind of [music] what we're doing here. Okay. Making a note. And who are you, sir? I'd like to remain anonymous, if that's all right. Have a wonderful day. You too. Happy holidays. Happy holidays to you. Okay. As soon as the building staff notice him, the man quickly explains that he's simply filming in a public area. But instead of ending there, the situation begins to shift. Deputies start to appear and move closer. What seemed like a simple conversation suddenly turns into a confrontation over authority and the law. I'm going to [music] get him. Okay. Is he a captain? Can I get him? Yeah, he refuses to leave. Hey, captain. Come on. Hey, captain. Come on. Hey, USC 2721, can you look that up real quick? You want to look it up before you exit? Hello. Hi. Deputy Cullen with the Sheriff's Office. We're being surrounded. We're not surrounded here. No, no, I'm saying I feel surrounded. Yeah, they are. Have you any idea why we're here? I don't know who called you. I did not call you. Uh several people called us, actually. Okay. Talk to them. So, we Do you want to move away? I don't know who Hayes and I don't know who you're talking to. >> you're in a government building, okay? I'm trying to talk to you and you keep turning You're talking to him like a criminal. We're not criminals. I can talk to whoever I want and I don't like how he's talking to my friend. I You are. You are and you are He's talking to my friend all wrong. I'll be sure to update you, man, right? Couple people are concerned cuz you're recording and We're We're obeying the law. We're not We're not criminals. This is a government building, okay? We're upholding the law. Florida State Statute 119-1 is what we're actually conducting. That's a public records request law under Florida State Statute. Right, right. And it's our statutory right to walk into the It's not only our statutory right, it's our constitutional right. And you are law enforcement. Enforce the law, not their feelings. Okay, so I I understand how the Sunshine Act works, sir. Okay. Um with that being said, it doesn't allow you to go into offices here or go into secure parts of the Correct. which our callers are all stating We're asking you to leave and you're not leaving. >> Okay. As that being said, I understand that you it is a government facility. You're not allowed to be trespassed from these buildings. Are you going to trespass me? What's your name and badge number? My name is Deputy Cullen with the Pasco Sheriff's Office. I'm not saying right now I'm What's your ID number? My badge number? 6156. His is 5025. >> Are you trespassing me? Right now, I'm not determining that situation right now. We're trying to conduct an investigation. Is that a lawful order? We are going Yes, I'm giving You want to de-escalate this? Does he outrank you? Yeah, he does outrank you. I'm documenting the simple battery that's occurring. I'm working outside as well. If I'm being lawfully asked to leave the building, At this point, the big question begins to surface. Is this just a misunderstanding about authority? Or has the situation already crossed the line of the law? And just seconds later, as the pressure builds and more deputies begin surrounding the area, the cameraman demands to speak with a supervisor immediately, pushing the confrontation into an even more tense stage. So, I'm going to give you a lawful order to leave the building. Are you refusing? Why is it a lawful order? Because right now, you're not You're told to leave. >> Have you seen me commit a crime on public property? So, right now, you're trespassing. We were told that you need to be leaving this building. I'm telling you as a law enforcement officer to leave this building. So, I'm giving you a lawful order. If you refuse to do that, then you'll be called committing a crime called trespass after warning. So, yes, you are committing a crime. You're giving me a an official criminal trespass based on what crime? Uh based off of Oh, I said Let me Let me finish. A citizen has to commit a crime on public property in order I do not want you here. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. A citizen has to commit a crime on public property in order to be trespassed. You cannot do the same thing as a private business. >> you want to go down that avenue, right? I was told by multiple people that you went to our secured parts of the facilities, >> Okay. which would be a crime. I have to investigate that crime. As far as that investigation, I have to identify who you are. If you want to detain me, am I being detained? Well, if you're not going to give me your information off the right bat off the bat, yes, you're going to be detained. >> May I speak to your supervisor, please? Yep, they're on their way. I'm going to wait for your supervisor here. Yeah, we're going to exit the building. Either you're going to walk out or we're going to make you walk out. Okay, you're also hitting me. Walk out of the building, please, sir. Yeah, well, it's a simple battery. It's unwanted touch. Do not touch me. Out of the building, please. Don't touch me. Sir, can you please get out of the building? I have not committed a crime. I paid for this air conditioning. >> third. Hey, there's a third in there. We're going to walk out or we're going to make you go out. Are you threatening me with violence right now? >> threatening you. I'm giving you options. Well, I'm >> to resist my commands, I'm waiting for your supervisor. I have not committed a crime. I'm on public property and I need to speak to your supervisor. Can you please answer the question? >> over me. I'm requesting your supervisor. >> We We have a supervisor on the way. I'm on public property. I have not committed a crime. I'm being illegally trespassed and I think before Listen. So, look, I've been trying to be cool with you, right? Yeah, but not really. I'm I'm sorry, Cullen. I have friends and family with that badge. I want to make your job safer. This tyranny needs to end. Okay. Okay. People please. Can you please exit the building, please? No. I've asked you multiple times. But it's not a lawful order and you know that. I'm waiting for your supervisor. This is a lawful order, okay? Based on what? I have not committed a crime. Have you suspected me of a crime? Yeah, we got you suspected of a crime for entering secure facilities. As the tension reaches its peak, the cameraman repeatedly asks one key question. Am I being detained? Meanwhile, the deputies insist that he must leave the building immediately. Within moments, the argument is no longer just about leaving the building. Security area? Right. is a different type. Just like I can trespass you for panhandling on the side of the street, I can trespass you for being in here. Well, I'm not panhandling and I'm conducting I'm conducting You guys swore an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. I swore that same oath and I'm conducting a constitutionally protected act right now. And if you disobey your oath, if you break your oath right now, you are liable yourself. The The city The The county is not going to pay for your mistakes. [music] You guys are are familiar with qualified immunity, right? Mhm. And when you are uh uh exempt from that, right? When you don't have qualified immunity, you know what what you're doing, right? Okay, you're violating my civil rights. to exit the building, okay? >> And I'm telling you I'd like to speak to your supervisor to save you a lot of money. He is on his way. He'd like to talk to him outside so we don't have all these people looking. Look, I You can talk to Arcadia police and tell them what we're doing. You can ask them I'm telling you Corporal Montos. So, we don't cause a scene with these people. Those people are in there. They have no idea what's happening out here. I'm not So? That's not I'm I'm not breaking the law. I'm not a criminal. You can't tell me where to go. Yeah, I'm going to stay and wait for your supervisor and talk to him about the discipline problem in his ranks. Whoa, he just snapped at Cullen. Oh, man, that's See, I'm going to make your job safer by getting rid of people like that. I would. You're not making my job I I am. I am. You're earning the hate for you. And what's your name and badge number? >> My name is Deputy Ferro, CDS number 6117. >> Thank you. Stay professional and honor your oath. What what are What are you getting out of this right now? Is the whole point here just to just to make us come in here and look like [ __ ] No. >> what you're doing right now? I I don't mind making you do that. The whole point is to defend my constitutionally protected act right. >> And they have rights to trespass people from this property who they don't want here. Whoever commits a crime on public property can be trespassed. This is As the argument continues, the cameraman begins reminding the officers of the oath they took to uphold the Constitution. And once the supervisor learns the full story, one of the deputies suddenly changes his attitude in front of the camera. And what happens next brings the confrontation to an unexpected end. Oh, where's the walkie-talkie When you commit a CJA 27211. So So again, I don't know. Property appraiser. Okay. It's okay. I'll get in touch with Mike going to Absolutely. Yeah, no, we want it to be nice and easy. Absolutely. So I'll get in touch with Mike Fassano and I'll have him straighten my employees out. Make sure they obey what's the law. And we got to go back to your Are you the West Pasco office here? Correct. And where are you guys stationed out of? We're stationed out of District 2. Okay. If I have to file a complaint against this officer, I would do it there or this deputy, I would do it there. Yeah. I'd like to just tell you verbally, you put his hands on this Unwanted touching is not allowed if you're not a criminal. You can't do that. We're citizens. We obey and uphold and protect the law. You don't put your hands on me or him. All right. Right on. I won't sue you. Would you like to provide your information? >> No, no, I don't want to even complain anymore. I just wanted that apology. Thanks. We're square. Accountability is very rare. That's That's what you guys should follow right there. Thank you. Lieutenant, you're a shining example, buddy. You really are. >> Thank you. If there's anything else we can help you with. Honor your oath. Okay. Honor your oath. All right. Have a good night. Right on. Take care. Yes, sir. Now I need some hand sanitizer. Oh, I'm sorry. >> [laughter] >> No, actually I That wasn't That wasn't a dig on you. I always do a hand sanitizer audit. >> walk out to my car, I have some. I I was just going to say you're supposed to have some and a band-aid if I needed or a feminine wipe, too. A lady walks up, "Don't you have to have a Yeah. >> [laughter] >> What What do you need? I got out of my car. No, no, I'll do it. I You have it ready. You passed. A plus. Yeah, I'm good. Thank you, Lieutenant. The tense confrontation ultimately ends without any arrests. A direct apology is made at the scene and the cameraman accepts it. Up next, it all begins at Coral Springs City Hall when a man walks into the government building with a camera in his hand. But within minutes, the attention of uniformed officers turns toward him. And from that moment on, an unpredictable situation begins to unfold. Hey, how do we get in? Right here. Okay. Thanks. After you, sir. Thank you. You're welcome. No. Oh, okay. Excuse me. Hi. Now, can I help you? Just be quiet, please. No, sir. Any of 21, can you have a unit respond to City Hall, please? Signal 13? Uh no, I'm just about to start a training, but >> Okay. I just wanted to see what you sell in the vending machines. Thank you for moving. Yeah. They're calling people on us. Excuse me? I wasn't talking to you. The passive-aggressive smile. Super tactical and combat ready. I'm narrating, too, so I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to we the people, like them. Yeah, I just muted him. Okay. Gracias, mano. Okay. I don't go into secure areas. Okay. What's your name and badge number? It's uh Sergeant Carla Kimbletech and it's ID number 734. Thank you. Do you have a body cam? I do not have a body cam. Right on. Do you want one? Um sure. At first, it's just a few simple questions and curious looks, but the presence of the camera clearly begins to draw the attention of several officers. And just minutes later, when a senior officer steps out of the training room, the conversation quickly shifts into a direct discussion about the right to film and the limits of the law, setting the stage for the unexpected events that follow. Hey, Sergeant. Sergeant. Yes. What kind of training are you having? We're having safety training. Safety training? >> yes. Oh, okay. Fantastic. Are you open-minded? You're welcome to information. I'm always open to information. Right on. This is a constitutionally protected activity. Freedom of the press. >> And I have not stopped you. No, I know. I know. >> There are certain areas that you can't And and this is not my first rodeo, exactly. >> that, which is why I haven't stopped you at this point. But I have an obligation to make sure that you're not especially in the I understand. Right. Right. Well, Any activity or area that's open to the public, you're free to be. Right. I'm allowed. And I understand the apprehension at first. And when caught you coming out the door, didn't want to move, but I really was just trying to see what kind of chips they sell here. I did that at the health department. I thought it was ironic that they had baked Cheetos in there. It's a health department. Fair enough. And I don't care if they're baked, it's still orange stuff all over it. So special weapons, also? Nope, I'm a training sergeant. Oh, okay. All right. I just was wondering what that patch was. That's a training department. Okay. And that? The ribbon? MSD first responder. Oh, okay. Right on. Cool. And what do you carry there? It's pretty tactical. I have started training. Safety training. Uh sorry, 10 minutes. Okay. Hand him off. Not that it's not that they're All right. as long as they're not entering areas that are restricted. Yeah. Not that I was saying that the camera kind of Yeah, and again, we know where we shouldn't go. I understand that. I don't know that you know that. Right. No, I just told you 2 seconds ago. Again, but I just need to make sure there are certain areas and safety there. Right. Yeah, I really like those things. As the conversation ends and some officers return to their training, it seems like the situation has calmed down. But just minutes later, a new development unfolds when the cameraman tries to continue moving through the building. Within seconds, several armed officers begin to appear and the atmosphere becomes more tense than ever. It's open to the public, right? No, you have to have a badge to access this. Oh. Uh that's for the third floor and up. No, the second floor and up is restricted. Well, I don't want to break any laws. You're not allowed to be in the main lobby area. Okay. Uh so I can't go upstairs. No, not if it's restricted access, no. Okay. It's official business. Denial of service. Documented by What's your name, sir? Detective Young. Detective Young, do you have a badge number, sir? 570. 570? Yeah. What's your name? >> a salty number. Just call me good citizen, sir. Yeah, according to the lady that just went up, the second floor is accessible to the public. >> Yes. But it just became inaccessible today? No, you have to have a badge Anything above the second floor. Okay. What kind of badge? You just show Give me your driver's license and I'll make one. Well, I don't want to do that. Okay. You don't go up. Yeah, well, that's denial of service. No. Yeah. It is. Wow. Hold on a second. Name and badge number, please. How you doing? Fantastic. What What was that you needed? Name and badge number. Officer Murdock, 1063. And yours? Officer Perez, badge number 1149. All right, thanks. All these guys for two cameras. Signal 13, is that what they said? What's that? Did they call signal 13? It's here to back up an officer, man. Where's the officer that needs backup? Is that you, sir? Here. Clamming up. We have We have cameras. We have no ill will, no ill intent. All right. All right, but there are four armed men here watching me very vigilantly. Like you want to put me on the ground and taze me or throw me in a cage. >> to do that. All right. You guys swore an oath, right? To defend the Constitution? Sir? Did you, detective, swear an oath? So now you don't want to talk. How about you? Facing several armed officers standing around him, the cameraman begins to bring up the Constitution and the oath the officers swore to uphold. His direct questions leave the officers silent. Then, a staff member from the building steps forward to address the situation directly, changing the course of the confrontation entirely. They're not allowing us to do it anonymously, which is against 119 S1. Well, you want want me to help? Yes, that would be fantastic. You are making this place look really good. Yeah, but I don't like my face on it, whatever. But yeah, if you just want to go to the Please, take your time. I'll be right with you. I'll edit that part out. Don't worry. I'm looking for Bane. Okay. But anyway, I'll be right with you. What's your name again? Finn. Finn, F I N N? No, just one N. Oh, cool. Give me 2 minutes. Take your time. She wants to help. She's the city clerk and she's going to help. Yeah, she agreed. Yeah. If not, it could cost the city tens of thousands of dollars in suits. All right. No, and police officers don't have qualified immunity in that case either. That means you, sir. If they're asking you to enforce a false policy with your gun, we go after your jet ski and your boat and your pension and I haven't enforced anything yet. No, but you did get me off that elevator. Only due to their policy. >> It's okay. You're You're safe. Wow, another one. Hi, may I have your name and badge number, please? My what? Name and badge number, please. My name and badge number. My last name's Hildebrand. My badge number is 944. Hildebrand. Yeah. That's my favorite teacher. >> have badge numbers. They have CCID's. Right on. Can you give him my email address also for that request? Yeah. Oh, she She's going to help us out. Okay. Yeah. Um anything we could see from public Anything that you can see from the public? Correct. We're in the public building right now and we're conducting Right, I just I'm curious why you chose this building. Well, we have Right. Okay, do you go to every public I'm just curious about how >> We do. And do you post it on YouTube or what do you do? >> Yes, I do. Among other places. So, as I was saying, my favorite teacher was Mr. Hildebrand. After several tense minutes, the atmosphere in the city hall hallway gradually calms down and the officers standing around begin to step away from the situation. And like many First Amendment audits, this video raises [music] an important question once again. When citizens use cameras to monitor their government, is it a problem or an essential part of transparency? [music] Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section 1983 when their [music] rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may be required to pay damages [music] and could face disciplinary action or even termination. A transparent society requires not only citizens who know their rights, but also law enforcement officers who understand [music] and respect those rights. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? 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