What's your name, buddy? You can call me good citizen, sir, or boss man. No, I won't call you either of those. You You have to identify yourself to a police officer. Have I committed a crime today? You have to identify yourself to a police officer. Have I committed a crime? I'm not required. >> Yeah, you are committing a crime. Under what suspicion? What's your RAS? We were called out for a suspicious call. That's All right, is suspicion a misdemeanor or a felony? >> Do you identify yourself to me on these calls? Let's further. Okay. You got a gun? I'm open carrying today, yes. >> Okay. Okay. In this encounter, the armed citizen calmly and repeatedly refuses to provide his name to the officers, despite their persistent demands, turning the tables by insisting they identify themselves first as public servants. The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, a protection that extends to refusing to answer police questions during a consensual encounter or even a Terry stop without escalating to probable cause of a crime. The citizen cleverly responds with phrases like, "I don't answer questions." and "You can call me good citizen." while questioning whether he is being detained and emphasizing this is a consensual conversation. When officers wrongly claim he must identify himself, he counters by asking for the statute and pointing out that mere suspicion isn't a crime, leaving the cops frustrated and unable to articulate a legal basis for mandatory ID, ultimately highlighting their lack of understanding of basic constitutional limits. >> tell you to walk any further. Okay. You got a gun? I'm open carrying today, yes. >> Okay. Okay. Well, I I was just here cuz somebody called you guys in suspicious. I I'm just walking around exercising my first and second amendment rights. All right, yeah, man. That's You got What's your name, man? I don't answer questions. Can you please identify yourself again, please? Officer Barger, here. Badge number, please? 6973. Thank you. All right. Yeah, so yeah, that's Somebody thought you guys were suspicious, you know. So, no major Okay. Nothing major at all. I have no ill will, no bad intentions towards anybody. Okay. Okay. Do Do you have a That's cool. Yeah. What's your name, man? I don't answer questions. You can call me good citizen. Good citizen? Okay. Okay. Do you live here? I don't answer questions. Why's that? Cuz I'm not legally obliged to answer any questions. Okay. Yeah, man. So, do you do you live here or I'm just asking, man. I would prefer to remain silent. Okay. All right. Am I being detained? You're not. Okay. This is a consensual conversation. What was that? >> This is a consensual conversation. Yeah. Okay. I'll allow you to proceed. What was that? >> I will allow you to proceed. >> I appreciate it, man. I'm just trying to get your name, man. I'd like to know who I'm talking to. You can call me sir, good citizen, boss man. Whatever applies. Okay. Well, I mean, I know I shared my information with you, so what's your information, man? Well, you're legally obliged to because you're a public servant. What was that? You're legally obliged to provide information because you're a public servant on duty. I'm going to put this out. I have every intention of picking it up. I'm not going to litter, okay? I'm going to put it on the sidewalk. Just put it out. That way I'm not holding it. Okay, that's fine. I'm not I'm not littering. I'm going to pick it right back up when we're done. Okay. Yep, there's trash cans to your right. Do you live here, man? I'm just I'm just trying to get to know who who I'm talking to, man. I like to know everybody. >> I'm going to lock my door, close it. Okay. We're having a consensual conversation. I'm not being detained. Okay. Every Everybody knows me, man, so I'm just trying to I like to know who I'm talking to. Yes, sir. Huh? Yes, sir. So, what's your name, man? If I may ask. Well, you've asked and I've answered. And you said Again, I've got no ill intent, no ill will towards anybody. Uh-huh. I've got a Second Amendment right to walk around with my firearm. Okay. That's all I'm doing. Literally [screaming] all I'm doing. That's all I'm trying to get to the bottom. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it, man. Yes, sir. All right, I'm just trying to figure out who you are. You got a You got a gun, which I I applaud you, man. It It's okay to have a gun. >> Can I ask you something then? What's that? If you applaud me and you're aware that this is a Second Amendment right and you you I got a call saying there was two suspicious males in all black, so >> Is suspicion a felony or a misdemeanor? Depends what you're doing, man. Well, no, suspicion's not a crime. Can I get your name and badge number, please? My name? And badge number, please. It's 52. Thank you. Officer Meyer, 52. So, yeah, man, that's that's what I'm trying to figure out. I got I was called in the area. All right. >> Yes, sir. So, I I don't know you. You You now know me. I said my last name, badge number. Well, I don't know I mean, I know you as an officer of the law right now, so And and I I just like to know who I'm talking to, man. That's all. Yes, sir. Have I committed a crime today? Uh right now, it's an investigation right now, man. Okay. Okay. And I've told you what I'm doing. And you didn't tell me what you were doing. Yes, I did. I'm walking around exercising my Second Amendment right. That's That's That's literally it. That's literally all I'm doing. What's your name, buddy? You can call me good citizen, sir, or boss man. No, I won't call you either of those. You You have to identify yourself to a police officer. Have I committed a crime today? You have to identify yourself to a police officer. Have I committed a crime? I'm not required. >> identification. Yeah, you are committing a crime. Under what suspicion? What's your RAS? We were called out for a suspicious call. That's >> All right, is suspicion a misdemeanor or a felony? >> Do you identify yourself to me on these calls? The citizen boldly open carries his firearm in public, informing the officers up front and offering to allow temporary disarmament for their comfort without consenting to a search, all while asserting his peaceful intentions. The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, a right affirmed in cases like New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruen, 2022, which struck down restrictive carry laws and reinforced that law-abiding citizens can bear arms in public for self-defense. He repeatedly explains he's exercising my first and Second Amendment rights by walking armed, applauding the officers' acknowledgement that it's legal, while challenging the call about suspicious males in all black as baseless. Okay. I'm not required to identify myself unless I've unless I've committed a crime. >> Identify yourself. You are required by law, if we ask, to identify yourself. Sir, don't look toward your gun. No, I'm making sure we're 6 ft apart. I won't look down. I won't move my hands. My hands are up here. Yeah, I see your hands. They're going to stay there. Yes, sir. Listen, I do not consent to any search or seizure. This is my Fourth Amendment right. But if it may if Excuse me, if it if if it makes more you more comfortable, I will not resist you seizing my property from me. Your property? What What are you talking about, man? My firearm on my side right now. Okay. >> If it makes you if it makes you feel more comfortable, I will not I'm not allowing you to do so, but if you I will not resist at all if you decide you want to seize my property from me and just put it beside while we have this conversation so you feel more at ease. How about Just give me your name, man, so I know who I'm talking to. I don't want to seize anything, all right? You You have the right Look, you have the right to walk down these streets, you know. That's That's your right, man. Yes, sir. >> camera or whatnot. We're We're just I just got a call that there was two males wearing all black. I didn't There was no firearm in the description. I was just two males all black with a camera. So, that's that's what I'm trying to figure out. I happen to see you, too. So, which part of that is suspicious or illegal? I'm trying to figure out what was so so so suspicious about what you guys were doing. Well, that's up to you to discern. And that's what we're trying to do. Somebody thought you guys were just out If somebody somebody Well, no, it's not suspicious. I don't have a legal obligation to >> a legal obligation to identify yourself. Can you give me that statute? I would be more than happy to look it up for you. Please do. Yes, sir. Well, yeah, man. Do you have any identification on you, man? I do not have identification on me. What What do you call yourself? What do you call yourself, man? I don't call myself anything. I don't refer to myself in third person. Did you guys give your name? Of course. Okay, what's your name? Well, I don't want to answer that. Okay. Yeah, just trying to figure out, man. All right. Again, if it puts you guys at ease, I'm not consenting to any search or seizure, but if you want to waive your Excuse [clears throat] me, if you want to waive your immunity, you can feel free to take my firearm from me, put it aside. Listen, I'm just trying want to the bottom Like, what's your name, man? That's all I want. Well, if I give you my name, then you can just run that or whatever your intentions are. I mean, I know we're not like buddy-buddy conversations right now, so >> the I want I want to know who I'm talking to, cuz I don't want to call you guy or, you know, you know, a lot of people get butt hurt about things like they don't get called, like Let's assume that I don't get butt hurt by this. And but and and also, I'm doing an investigation right now, so >> Yes, sir. I would like your name to put on the record? put in for the paperwork? Yeah, well That's all, man. Well, if I'm not committing a crime, then How are we to know that you don't have a felony and you're carrying a weapon? If you don't identify yourself, how are we to know that you're not committing a crime? >> What reasonable suspicion do you have to believe that I It is not my vehicle. Okay. What reasonable suspicion do you believe that I am committing a crime right now? He told you right now what we're out here for, okay? Right. We're called for suspicion. Second Amendment. >> We are legally mandated to find out what the suspicious activity is, okay? Yes. >> That's what we're out here doing. Now, you're hindering an investigation, failing to identify yourself to a law enforcement officer. Well, if I haven't committed a crime, you have to comply with our investigation. See what I'm saying, man? So, now, what reason do I have to trust you now? You're not going to You can't tell me your name? Well, you have no reason to distrust me. I have every reason to distrust you. Well, why is that? I'm not committing any crimes. >> You're not cooperating. Well, I mean, cooperate with what, though? I'm not committing a crime. It's our investigation. Well, I'm not required to oblige I'm not obliged to help you with your investigation. Okay. That's all. I'm just saying that. Yes, sir. Yeah, man. All I'm trying to do is just identify you, okay? Yes, sir. Are Were you born in here, Ottawa? Or I was not born in Ottawa. Okay. So, you take it you're not from here? I prefer to not answer any more questions. Why is that? I'm not obliged to. Okay. Well, listen, man. Don't make it hard, man. We're just trying to identify Well, I mean, can I I'd like to just point out that I'm not trying to make anything difficult for anybody. I Now, please let me finish. I'm just exercising my rights. If exercising your rights makes it more If exercising If me exercising my rights makes it more difficult for you, then what's the point of you enforcing any rights? You see what I'm saying? So, so you you scream out the amendments and all that. You know, we have a job to do, man. Yes, sir. We just can't let Did you swear an oath to defend the Constitution when you took your job? What's the original complaint? Suspicious two suspicious males with a camera. Okay. Wearing all black, so that's all I got. Well, black's just a color. Okay. Were you on the sidewalk? Yes, sir. Did you try to go in the buildings? No, sir. Were you just walking? Yes, sir. Okay. You didn't yell at anybody? I didn't say anything to anybody. Okay. Who called this in? A clerk. Okay. I was just dispatched. Where were you at when you approached? Right here. Okay. You saw the other guy? Yep. He locked the door. The guy I believe this is Okay. duplex or apartment. Okay. I'll tell you I'll I'll explain >> our job here is done. Yes, sir. So. Thank you. Can I have your name and badge number, please? >> Yeah, Officer Vance, 75. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Take care. Yep. You guys have a great day. Throughout the interaction, the citizen flips the script by requiring the officers to provide their names and badge numbers multiple times, recording the encounter, and reminding them of their duty as oath-sworn public servants. Police officers, as public officials performing official duties, are generally required to identify themselves upon request, supported by principles of transparency and accountability under the Fourth and 14th Amendments, as well as departmental policies in many jurisdictions. He politely but firmly asks for name and badge number, please, receiving responses like 6973 and Officer Myer 52, while pointing out they are legally obliged to provide information because you're public servant on duty. This tactic not only ensures documentation for potential complaints, but also unsettles the officers, who admit it's just an investigation into suspicion without a crime. In the end, the citizen walks away freely after affirming no ill intent, schooling the cops on the limits of their authority and the supremacy of constitutional rights over unsubstantiated hunches.