because you're on property that doesn't belong to you. >> How do you know this, sir? >> Cuz you won't answer my questions. So now I want to identify you to find out. >> Okay. So from that point, what are you doing here, sir? Do you live here? >> No, I don't answer questions. And that's okay. >> So if I'm not doing anything wrong, >> I'm supposed to prove to you that I'm not doing nothing wrong. Is that how it works? When a driver in Hardyville was approached by officer Thibo for parking on private property, he immediately asserted his right to remain silent, refusing to answer questions about his presence. The fifth amendment of the US Constitution states, "No person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." This driver's refusal to engage was a strategic move to avoid self-inccrimination, a right often underutilized during police encounters. By repeatedly stating, "I don't answer questions," he forced the officers to justify their actions without his cooperation. This approach, while frustrating for the officers, showcased the driver's understanding of his constitutional protections, challenging the assumption that compliance is mandatory. >> What's going on, man? >> Nothing. >> You own You know the people that own this property? >> I don't answer questions. >> Huh? >> I don't answer questions. >> You don't answer questions? >> No, sir. >> All right. I'm Officer Ta Hardyville Police Department. Just want to let you know I'm out with you. Okay. Is just because you're in this property. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Just checking to see if you know the people that own this place. >> Okay. >> We've had people drive through the yard and and cause some damage. I >> understand. >> That's it. So, if you don't know them and you're not supposed to be here, then you need to leave the property. Okay. Is that fair? >> I don't answer questions. >> You don't answer questions? I'll tell you what. You got your driver's license on you >> for what, sir? >> Because I'm getting out with you because you're on property that doesn't belong to you. How do you know this, sir? >> Cuz you won't answer my question. So now I want to identify you to find out. >> Can I talk to your supervisor? >> Absolutely. Okay, that's perfect. >> 5142. >> I was My heart always starts beating every time I talk to a cop. I don't know why. >> Listen, man. It ain't got to be like that. >> No, I'm saying every time I talk >> to though, you know what I mean? Just chill. Just conversation. >> I understand. I understand that. But, you know, with what's going on nowadays, cops fish a lot. >> Not here. >> So, you know, that's I I like to make sure >> you're on you're on property that you don't own. Okay. >> You don't know that. So, >> I I do know that you don't own this property. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you're on property that you don't own. Now, if you have permission to be here, that's fine. >> But you won't identify yourself. So, I don't I don't know that you got permission to be here or not. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, it's no big deal. He'll be here in a minute. >> Thank you. >> Am I being detained? >> You're being detained? Yes. >> Okay. For what crime am I? >> Because you wanted to talk to my supervisor. I'm out trying >> I'm being detained because I want to speak to your supervisor. >> I'm trying to trying to find out why you're on this property. Okay. >> Okay. >> I should have stayed over there in the shadow. >> It's a little bit hotter in your direct sunlight. >> Uh I'm on my lunch break. I always look for a little. >> So that's where I know you from. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. >> But there's no reason to do that. Does that make sense? >> It doesn't. >> Okay. So again, I've already explained why why I got out with you. >> Uh and I'm cool with that. >> Okay. >> I'm just you getting you're getting my information is what I'm not cool with. >> So >> I'll talk to your supervisor. Easy. >> That's fine. >> Mhm. >> So he's on property that he doesn't own. I go to get out with him. He pulls through the yard to come out here. So then I drive around, block him off. He immediately doesn't want to identify himself. Doesn't want to tell me why he's here. So now he only wants to speak to a supervisor. So that would be you because I don't have a supervisor. >> What's up? >> I don't know. I was at the little part right of the concrete. He pulled behind me. I saw he was reading my >> the concrete right here. >> Right here where the where the little shadow is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I was there and he pulled behind me started uh checking my plates. >> Yeah. >> So uh he's >> Do you live here? >> When I don't answer questions when when >> So that's what I got. >> So when when I when I was when I was I believe you were difficult the last time we talked to you at the park. >> I didn't did I speak with you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So this is obviously >> because you were on lunch break, correct? >> Are you on lunch break today? >> I don't I don't answer questions. >> You don't answer questions? >> No. So, you're driving in this state, though, and you're on property that is not yours. You understand that, right? >> I don't answer questions, sir. >> Do you understand that? >> I don't answer questions. >> Okay. >> That's a question. I can't I don't I don't answer questions. >> So, listen, man. You're making this more difficult than it needs to be. >> Mhm. >> You understand that, right? >> I don't answer questions. >> You understand what I'm saying? >> I don't answer questions. >> Is this what I got? You do realize that like you acting like this is not helping the situation. >> I understand. I'll answer that question. I understand that. >> You understand that, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, what is the reason for being difficult? >> Please tell me. >> I don't answer questions, but let me ask you a question. Am I being detained right now? >> What's that? >> Am I being detained right now? >> Yes, you are. >> For what reason, sir? >> For what reason? >> Yes. >> For you're on private property that is not yours. >> How do you know this? >> What's that? >> How do you know this? This vehicle does not return to here. You will not provide any information that say this property is yours. >> We patrol this area every single day. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. And your car has never been here. And you don't live in that trailer. You understand the police department is a block down the street, right? >> I I'll answer that question. Yes, I do. >> Okay. So, if you can tell me that you're here visiting a friend and we can verify that, >> we'll be out of here. >> I don't answer questions, sir. >> But, >> so if I'm answering none of your questions, >> what's going to happen to me at this point? >> What What do you mean? >> What's going to happen? Cuz I'm missing my my lunch break because he he told me I was being detained. >> After I was being detained, I told him I'll speak to a supervisor. >> Yeah. >> So, are you going to speak with me or are you going to play these games? Because I'm all I'm all with being a grown adult in this situation. Okay. And I understand your rights and all that. Okay. All right. >> Am I required to answer your questions? >> You are at this point because he is out with you. Okay. As a suspicious vehicle on private property. So at this point all we need is reasonable suspicion. You understand that? Correct. What >> what's that? >> Suspicion of what? >> That any type of criminal activity may be a foot. >> All right. being able to invest until our our investigation or our suspicion is dispelled. We can ask you questions. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do I have to answer them? >> What's that? >> Do I have to answer your questions? >> You have the the right to remain silent in anything you want. >> Then I'll remain silent, sir. Until until you're done with your investigation, I'll be I'll >> However, what you're leading us to >> and this is completely unnecessary. >> Okay? So, if I'm not doing anything wrong, >> I'm supposed to prove to you that I'm not doing nothing wrong. Is that how it works? >> The driver's insistence on speaking to a supervisor and questioning his detention highlighted his awareness of lawful police procedure. According to the Fourth Amendment, the right of the people to be secure against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause. When officer Thibo detained him for suspected trespassing, the driver pointedly asked, "For what crime am I being detained?" and challenged the officer's knowledge of the property's ownership. His demand for clarity exposed the officer's reliance on vague suspicions rather than concrete evidence, pushing back against what appeared to be an overreach of authority. >> I'm asking a question to you that you're a supervisor. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, let me explain it to you one more time. Okay. You're on property that does not belong to you. Correct. >> Yes. >> Cuz you don't answer questions. But that is correct. 100% truth at this point. An officer sees that you're here, goes out with your vehicle and sees that the vehicle is occupied by one individual, which is you. >> That's truth. Okay. So from that point, what are you doing here, sir? Do you live here? No. >> I don't answer questions. And that's what I told them. So, do you understand what our job is? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Investigate away. >> If you're not where you're supposed, go knock on their door. >> He He would He would tell me now. Let's say this. >> Listen, >> if I would have answered all your questions, >> we would be done. >> Okay, >> that's what I'm saying. You're making this more. What's the difference >> if I would answer your question? >> Because listen, listen, >> listen. A reasonable person would answer those questions. >> Okay. >> Okay. And they would understand that when a law enforcement officer stops you in a vehicle that you required to identify yourself at that point. >> Okay. I I'll make sure with the chief if that's correct cuz that's why I'm recording this because we're recording too. Then I then I'll take it up a little higher and find out if you know if everything that you guys have done from the moment that I started recording was correct. We'll we'll find out cuz >> that's >> I know I'm not doing nothing wrong. >> You're absolutely doing something wrong by not identifying yourself at this point. >> Have I committed a crime? >> What's that? >> Have I committed a crime? >> Have you committed a crime? Yes. >> As far as what? >> Trespassing. >> Trespassing. >> Yes, you have. So you have >> So the law for trespassing, don't I have to be told to leave in order for me to be trespassed? >> What's that? >> Don't I have to be told to leave a place in order to be trespassed? >> You could be. Yes. All right. But if it's posted, no. Or if or if the resident calls and says there's somebody here and I don't want him here, >> we can come make contact with you. >> Did someone call and identify you? No. No. Again, >> I don't understand why you're making this more difficult than it needs to be. >> I have my reasons, but I'm not going to do I'm not >> Well, you did this last time, too, at the park. >> I'm not going to do this. >> So, it's not it's not something new with you. >> What did I do last time at the park? >> The same exact same thing with this officer. >> And what happened? >> What's that? >> What happened that time? >> You ended up identifying yourself once I spoke to you. >> I did not. >> Yes. >> Yes, you did. >> I didn't show anything, >> did I? >> Yes. Yes. You identified yourself. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah. So, that's why So, okay. in that time. >> If you have an issue with the way things are being handled, I have no problem with talking. >> And I do. And I do. And that's why I'm recording this because I have my reasons. Now, I'm going to let you do your job. I'm not stopping you from doing that. >> No. Is that true? >> What you're doing right now >> because look, don't I have the right to remain silent? >> You always have the right to remain silent. >> I If you haven't told me I committed a crime, >> do you have a driver's license? >> I don't answer questions. >> Okay. So, see, here we go. So, you expect us to let you drive off H what have I done wrong? >> I've already told you that. What? You're on property that does not belong to you. >> How do you know that? >> What's that? >> How do you know that? >> Because I know you do not live here. >> Who told you this information? >> What's that? >> Who told you this information? >> That's from knowing the community. The street that we drive down hundreds of times every single day. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you know everyone that know that lives here. No, I'm asking a question. You know everyone that lives here, you know all their friends, you know everybody, you know everybody that's doing business here, you know everybody that works here. Is that correct? And I don't >> That's not correct. >> And I don't belong. Just the way I look there, I don't belong there. Right. >> Um people don't park right there on somebody's front lawn that don't live here. >> You understand that? Right. >> I don't answer questions, sir. >> You keep asking questions that I don't want to answer. So, it's just >> Don't I have the right to not answer the questions I don't answer. Answer whatever you want. >> I'll remain silent. So, whatever question you ask, >> I'll play I I'll plead the fifth. >> I'll stay quiet. >> Okay. >> And I'll let you do what you got to do. Like I said, I know I'm not doing nothing wrong. I know I know I'm not doing nothing wrong. >> No one's even saying you're doing anything wrong. >> So, why am I being detained? Why am I being Why is he asking for my license when nobody has called? Nobody has told me to leave. My car wasn't off. Oh, was it off? >> You started driving. >> I'm asking was was my car I don't know. You don't answer questions either. >> I said I don't know. >> I'm sorry. Just playing. Sorry. >> I get nervous. >> I'm done with you. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Are you going to identify yourself or not? >> What's going to happen if I don't show any identification? >> Well, I can't let you leave because I don't know if you have a driver's license. >> Then I'll stay here. Do you want me to turn off the car? I'll put turn it off. Keys on board >> cuz I like like sir, I haven't been told to leave. I was in the I was in that little >> Listen, listen. >> I'm listening. Go ahead. >> I understand what you're saying. >> Okay. >> As far as you haven't been told to leave and that, you know, we're just parked here. >> I'm sorry to interrupt you. Last time I spoke to your chief, >> he told me that nobody should have kicked me out of that place, that I was in a public place. I was kicked out of it. >> Okay. >> So, my thing is this. >> Mhm. >> Who took you saying just because of your knowledge of the people that live here. >> Now, where's the sign that I said that I can't park there to turn around to do anything? >> Listen. >> Now, I was going to finish, but I'll I'll let you. >> I understand where you're going with this. All right. And you have a valid point. Okay. As far as are there no trespassing signs posted on the property? I don't see any. Okay. So, I'll agree with you on that. >> What if I was looking for land? What if I'm looking for information to buy? >> Then, let me ask you this, >> which which I am, by the way. Go ahead. >> Let me ask you this. Okay. Just again, we can play this game all day. >> I'm not playing no games. Sorry. This is my life. I have to be sure of what I >> Are you going to let me talk or are you going to continue? All right. >> However, most people most people >> Mhm. when they come into contact with law enforcement, all right, will state, "Hey, what are you doing here? You're on private property." "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know. I will be leaving." Okay, you understand that? Or they'll say, "Oh, well, I'm checking out this land because I'm interested in buying it and I saw it's for sale." >> I'm playing the fifth every time you ask a question. So, if I stay quiet, I don't want you to think it's >> You're really not worth my time. I'm going to be honest with you, okay? >> Cuz I feel sorry for that, bro. I >> I mean, you're really not okay. >> You need to leave. >> I'm trying to leave. I was As soon as your cop pulled behind me, I I tried to leave. He didn't even have to say anything. As soon as he pulled behind me, I knew that it was going to be a problem that I was parked there >> that because he said I was parked. So, I tried leaving. I wasn't going to go. I was knew you were doing nothing wrong. >> Let me finish. I wasn't going to turn go back because it was blocking my path at that point. >> What am I going to do? There's another exit. So, nowhere says you can't drive through there to here. There's nothing. And then if if people didn't want your involvements, >> the officers claimed the driver was trespassing, but he countered by questioning whether he had been told to leave. A key element of trespassing law. In many states, including Virginia, trespassing under code section 18.2-119 requires proof that a person was forbidden to do so by the owner or a posted sign. The driver's argument that no such notice existed, where's the sign that I said that I can't park there? Undermined the officer's accusations. By refusing to provide identification without clear evidence of a crime, he forced the officers to confront the limits of their reasonable suspicion, revealing their attempt to escalate the situation without legal grounding. >> Yeah. On this tag, >> I understand what you're saying. All right. >> Mhm. >> I'm just again, this is twice. >> You're I know you're explaining in circles. I understand. But at this point, we're we're stuck. We're stuck because I'm not showing ID. If I don't have a reason to show you ID, I'm I'mma plead the fifth to every question you ask. So, like I said, do what you need to do. I'm not stopping you from doing nothing if you >> But see, we're not again like >> I look at things as we can we can play this, but you're really not worth my time. Honestly, can >> you're not worth me ripping out of your vehicle. Okay. >> I'll get out. You don't have to >> You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying it's not >> You told me to get out. I'll get out. You don't have to rip. You don't have to threaten me with ripping me out of my own car. >> Well, I'm just letting you know if like that's what you're looking for. Like for this to escalate any further. It's not going to. >> Why would I want to be ripped out of my own car? >> Because that's what some people do. All right. They do this to get a reaction from us again. >> Dude, >> I was enjoying my lunch break. That the last thing I want you >> The last thing I want to be doing is to be talking to you on my lunch break. I only get an hour for lunch break. Right now, I'mma I'mma about to be I'mma have to clock in. So, I'mma have to start charging you by the minute because I have to be working somewhere else. So, this is what I'm trying to tell you. There's there's guides that you have to follow. So, I'm making sure that you stay by it. >> Yeah. >> Now, if I if you tell me I have to do something because if not you arrest me, then I'll do it. >> Say those words and then I'll then threaten me with arrest. If I don't show him show show you my ID, then I'll show you my ID. >> Well, that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, right? Because you know what's going to happen after. I'm going to have to go make a complaint on What's your badge number? >> My badge number 97448058. Whatever. >> What's your badge number, sir? >> And what's your badge number, sir? And your name, please? >> For Humber. >> And your name and badge number, sir? The car. I It's blocking >> the Carlo. >> The Carlo. That's Italian. >> 8182069. >> You're correct. Are you still on H Boulevard? >> And can you ask for the badge number of your officer and the name, please? Because he's the one that pulled me over if you could. >> Yeah, this is PFC boat again. The same person. >> Yeah. So, I don't answer questions. Whatever question you're going to ask, I plead the fit, sir. >> That's fine. You can you can plead the fifth. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I told you that from the get-go. All right. >> And I've been saying >> I'm just trying You said you wanted to talk to me >> because your officer your officer is detaining me. >> Yes. And I explain to you why, right? >> And am suspicion. >> Am I free to go? >> It would help. Now listen, >> answer my question and then you can go. Am I free to go? >> You haven't answered a single one of my questions to dispel our myth because I'm not I don't have to. If I if I call a lawyer right now, stay quiet. Don't say nothing. >> So So why am I going to ask you this? Let me >> Maybe you could answer this without incriminating. >> Let me finish. So why am I going to go against the advice my lawyer tells me when I'm talking to the officer my job is my thing is to do let you do what you need to do I'm letting you I don't want to speak to you I didn't want to speak to him then he says oh you want to go there give me your ID so at that point when when I asked I asked him am I being detained he said yes so now I want to speak to to you that you are his supervisor correct >> correct >> and so understand I said the same thing let me finish >> if you Well, now if you don't tell me, I'm free to go. And if I'm being detained, tell me why. And if not, and after that, I'll talk to your supervisor. >> I told you why you're being detained. >> And now you expect me to let you drive off >> without verifying that you have a good driver's license? >> I don't expect you to do nothing, sir. >> That's what you're asking us to do. >> But your job? >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, so if I don't show you my license, what's going to happen? You going to keep me here all day? >> No. >> Am I going to miss work? >> No. I'm going to tell you not to drive. >> Okay. Okay. So, I'm not going to be able to drive >> right now. You're going to stop me from driving. >> What's that? >> You're going to stop me from driving? >> You can make your own decisions. >> So, can I can you move his car so I can >> or what? >> He's got a customer. What's his name? >> Mr. Control. >> Contras. Yeah. >> Oh my goodness. So, like again, am I free to go? Well, not yet. >> Not yet. >> Okay. >> No. >> What are you waiting for right now for So, you can let him go >> to make sure the vehicle is clear and >> Okay. I'll I'll be waiting for that. >> Can I get out cuz it's hot and the sun is >> As long as you're detaining me, I'd rather not stay in the car. >> I'm going to close the window cuz [Music] second time I'm being stopped. There's my lunch for Mr. T-Bo here. So, second time I'm not going to I'm going play more by my rights. Last time I gave my rights away. Not this time. Would you agree with that, sir? Or you not listening? >> Not listening. >> All right. So, here's where we're at. Okay. >> Again, you're not you're not worth any type of lawsuit, use of force event, anything like that. All right. So, if you don't Are you going to threat me with that? >> Are you Are you going to listen to me? >> I'm trying to. >> Okay. >> Without you threatening me. And then I'm I get you >> have a driver's license. >> Uhhuh. >> Which you know for a fact yes or no. Okay, then I would not drive. That's my advice to you. Take it, leave it. Okay, cuz when we stop you on a traffic stop, if that happens, you are required to identify yourself. Okay, you understand that, correct? >> I don't answer questions, sir. I told any questions you ask. Anyways, let me finish. Let me finish my answer. >> No, let me finish. >> Okay, I'll let you finish. >> Since we can't make contact with that homeowner right now to verify that you're allowed to be here. All right, you can sit here until they get home. sit here. >> So, can I leave? >> Am I free to go? >> You're free to go. >> Can he move his car? Cuz he's blocking my way. >> He's moving. >> Thank you. >> Oh, can I have an incident number for this, please? >> Yeah. You want it? >> Yes, please. I'm asking. >> Central 514. >> Hey, the number. >> Can I get the name of your supervisor, please? Cuz >> Jenkins, >> thank you so much. Number [Music] can I get your card? >> Can I get your card, please? >> 22 Hotel 2758. >> No, I don't have a card. >> Do you Does anybody here have a card? >> You like it written down? I can write it down for you. >> Does Yes, I want that. But also, I'm asking, does anybody here have cards, personal cards that you're supposed to give to to people? I'm just asking. I don't know. I'm I'm ignorant when it comes to that. That's why I'm asking. >> Well, you seem to know everything else. So, >> thank you, bro. I'm Catholic. I I study a lot, you know. >> Well, you obviously don't. Okay. >> So, where where am I wrong? >> What's that? >> Teach me where am I wrong? >> Because let me let me tell you where you're wrong. >> That I'm keeping >> officers have reasonable suspicion. >> Mhm. >> All right. That criminal activity may be a foot such as trespassing is a property crime. Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. You are required to identify yourself. You understand that, right? >> I don't answer questions. >> Of course not. >> But consider this your education session, okay? Because the next time it's not going to end up like this. >> Another good one, bro. You showed more attitude and everything. Can you write down the incident number, please? >> Yeah, we'll do that right now. >> Thank you so much, sir. Thank you for your professionalism. Despite the officer's frustration and veiled threats to escalate, the driver remained calm, asserting his rights while offering to comply only if explicitly required to avoid arrest. He referenced prior encounters, noting, "Last time I spoke to you, chief, he told me that nobody should have kicked me out of that place." Showing his knowledge of past police oversteps. The Supreme Court case Terry versus Ohio 1968 limits police detentions to brief investigations based on specific articulable facts. By demanding an incident number in the supervisor's name, the driver ensured accountability, ultimately securing his release without providing identification. His composure and legal knowledge turned a power tripping encounter into a lesson in standing up for one's rights. Like and subscribe for more police cam stories. Watch the next recommended video.