when you're recording me going into a station that I have an issue with that. That doesn't mean they are your rights if you're flexing them. Well, >> I'm exercising my rights. >> Okay. What's your last name? >> Except I'm pissed off at the FBI because they have no accountability and the FBI police don't have any accountability. So, how else are we going to get some accountability? >> This moment sends chills down everyone's spine. Show me your ID. even though there's nothing to accuse him of. >> I mean, right now, I'd like to identify you and understand why you're out here. >> Can I see your guys driver's license or IDs? >> Nope. >> Can I ask you your name? Provide that information. >> These cops thought they were in control, but they just opened the door to serious legal trouble for themselves. He arrives at the Mville Police precinct in Phoenix to test the right to film in public. But behind the station, vehicles quietly come and go. One thing feels clear. Someone's watching, and they're about to step out. Kind of lonely and eerie here. Got some cars coming in through the This guy's got to be police officers because coming in through the police officer's entrance. And let's go check that out. Looks like we have a unit that's hidden. This is the back of their station here. Heat >> [music] [music] [music] >> up here. He was watching me through the mirror. All right, guys. Looks like we uh we might actually get some contact here. >> The auditor films vehicles entering and leaving behind the station, and police quickly sense it's a sensitive security issue, so they quietly watch him and prepare to move in. And just as expected, minutes later, they step out for a face-to-face confrontation, kicking off the most tense exchange yet. I think there's going to be the guy in the brown car. I'm good. >> Just out here [music] uh flexing my rights. Just recording out in public. How are you doing? >> What's your uh name and batch number, sir? My >> name badge is right here. Officer Nap. Officer, I'm sorry. Nap. >> Yep. And >> Bam. You can't be recording cars that come in and out of here, man. >> Uh, that's that's a good opinion. >> Okay. Well, why are you doing that? >> I'm just out here exercising my rights. >> You realize that's like a safety concern, right? >> Yeah. I'm on a public property here. >> Okay. You're right. >> You guys can see it's a park. >> Personal cars are coming in. >> I'm recording everything, sir. >> Okay. >> It's not I'm not here specifically. >> When I'm on duty, that's fine. >> But when you're getting officers that are coming in and out of work, >> their private cars for no reason. Well, your license plate show. I mean, they're they're on your vehicle. They're recorded everywhere you go. Right. >> You're right. But it doesn't say I'm an officer when you're recording me going into a station, but I have an issue with that. >> You know, I I definitely understand that. But again, I'm just flexing my right. >> You're flexing your rights. >> That doesn't mean they are your rights. If you're flexing them, [music] >> I'm exercising my rights. >> Okay. What's your last name? >> I'm I'd rather not. >> You'd rather not know >> provide any information? Yeah. >> All right. >> I mean, unless I've committed a crime or anything like that. I mean, right now I'd like to identify you and understand why you're out here. >> I understand. Are you Is that a request? >> That's a request. Yes. >> All right. I I'm going to uh politely declare. >> What's that? >> I'm going to go ahead and decline. >> You're going to go ahead and decline. Okay. >> How are you doing, officer? >> He doesn't want to provide his information right. >> It's not just that guy. I I don't want it to seem that way. It's not It's definitely I'm just recording everything I can see here. I'm standing on a public property. I'm sorry. What was your name and badge number? Sergeant J. Batch [music] number >> 7455 is right there. >> Awesome, man. Thank you very much for that. >> Police move in to pressure him to stop filming and demand his identity [music] for safety reasons, but the auditor stands firm, refusing to provide anything without suspicion of a crime. [music] Just as tensions peak, everything suddenly shifts when a supervisor shows up. >> I don't understand why you're recording personal cars. >> It's just everything. >> You want to record us when we're in our cars? That's fine when we're in police cars, but when we're in personal cars, there's no point for having it. >> I I understand that it, like [music] I said, I record everything. It's not just, you know, just your vehicle. >> Recording me as I pull up. >> Absolutely. Yeah. It's everything. Every vehicle. >> Why would you do that? >> Just Just for my own my own personal use. >> Your own personal use. What are you going to do with that personal [music] use of my my vehicle? >> It's just my personal use. It's it's just something I have an audience to convey to. And I do recordings [music] like this uh all the time. Uh, it's not just you guys. Do >> you have a podcast or something? >> Uh, something like that. >> Yeah, guys, more than welcome to check it out. Uh, what's >> it called? >> Uh, you'll see it. You all you have to do is search Mville Precincts. Uh, is that station? That's probably what it's going to be labeled. >> Probably. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Do you have any comments, questions, or concerns? >> No, not at all, man. Thank you guys for being professional. >> Yeah, you'd be amazed, man. You'd be surprised. Yeah. Uh how many encounters like this we get. >> I'll answer any of your questions if you want. >> Do you want to be your concern though? >> Uh absolutely. >> Okay. >> You have every right to be concerned. Approach me. I mean, I'm not here with any ill will, any ill intent. Uh I don't plan on harming you guys or the station. Absolutely. That's not our intent. My intent is just to record. That's it. You guys have any body cameras or anything like that? >> We do. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. >> I don't I don't run. >> Yeah. You guys normally [music] uh run them. >> Started my shift, so I don't shoot. >> Awesome. I mean, I respect what you guys do, man. I have nothing against police. Uh we're not I'm not [music] anti- cop or anything like that. >> The concern was it's just the videotaping person vehicles coming in. >> No, I understand. >> Understand? >> All right. >> Definitely. >> You said you have questions? [music] >> No, no, I'm good. >> All right. You too, man. A supervisor steps in to calm things down, but suddenly pressures the auditor about filming personal vehicles, [music] using psychological questions to make him doubt himself. The auditor stays polite and firm about his right to record. Just when it seems like it's over, police shift to a different kind of control. Quietly following and watching, bringing the tension right back. Watch out. Watch out. He's got a camera. Got another unit here coming out. Heat. Heat. I'm sure these guys will check out my uh my page and uh [music] you guys uh Leos um and I'm sure you guys here at the at this stage >> [music] >> are going to check it out. Nothing against you guys, man. It's not [music] you personally. Um, don't take it that way. It's uh it's citizens exercising their rights. That's all it is. It doesn't go past that. Um, you know, you you need to get uh, you know, go get over the the whole thing of I understand some people might have some religions, but hey, you know what? They did the right thing. Come out here. Make sure you know you're not dealing with somebody that's going to be trying to harm you or anything like that. have a civil conversation. >> Police shift to psychological pressure, silently monitoring and controlling the auditor without direct confrontation. A citizen can sue under section 1,983 if their rights are violated. Officers who break the law may face civil liability, discipline, or even termination. Up next, a man filming stands in a public area near the Washington DC FBI field office. And in that moment, everything heats up fast when a voice from behind suddenly yells, "Don't film me. >> I can't hear you." >> I know you can't hear me. >> You say, "Don't film you." >> Yeah, don't film me. I >> already did. My delete button's broken. Now what? behind. >> Shoot. >> Oh, here comes one from your um >> from my left Hey guys. >> Howdy. >> What are we doing today? >> Taking pictures of all these FBI vehicles and license plate numbers and all that stuff. >> Can I ask why? >> So that I can publish it. >> In fact, can I ask what the purpose of publishing that is? >> Cuz I'm pissed off at the FBI because they have no accountability and the FBI police don't have any accountability. So, how else are we going to get some accountability? >> I'm rolling. As you can see, I am with your guys driver's license or ID. >> Nope. >> Can I ask you your name that information? >> Not unless you suspect me of committing a crime and you're ready to arrest me. >> I just want to ask all that. >> And you can ask all you want. >> You can ask me as well. >> Well, uh, you know, and there in lies the issue. Oh, here comes some more. You know, you're not going to need any backup. I'm not armed. I'm not here to harm anybody. >> That's I'm just here to take pictures. >> Okay. Yeah, that's your house. >> There you go. You can call me David. >> David? >> Yes. Officer Roland. Nice to meet you, >> David. If if I met more if I met more people with that kind of attitude, I wouldn't be standing here right now. >> The man instantly turns up the heat, openly stating why he's filming and what he's furious about. Then more officers show up and start making demands and the conversation quickly turns into a direct legal showdown. >> Can't take his picture, >> you know. >> Well, I just I do ask that you don't take pictures of her employees going in and out. >> Okay. That's what I'm here for. >> That's what I'm asking. >> No, but that's what I'm here for. Yeah. I know it's FBI policy that you don't take photographs on FBI property. Okay. But I'm not on FBI property and I'm not an employee of the FBI, so I'm not subject to their policy. >> You're absolutely right there. >> Officer Davis, how you doing? >> I'm fine. How about yourself? doing okay now. >> Okay. What's going on? This the issue is >> I'm upset with the FBI and the FBI police because they lack accountability >> for what? >> For what? >> Yeah. >> Well, you guys attack citizens on the street taking pictures of historic buildings and then don't want to give your names. I I'm not I'm not good with that. Not good with that. >> Name tag. That's >> Yeah. You know, it's funny. It's funny that that the one guy that attacked didn't have a name tag and the supervisor that was there wouldn't give me his name. So >> taxi where where >> one of your uniformed officers? >> Yeah. >> No, over at the Edgar building. J Edgar building. >> So okay. So what do you what do you take >> vehicle employees license plate number? Anything I can publish. >> Well, you can't technically take the building. >> Really? >> People coming in and out. You can't take your people coming in and out. >> Okay. What law is that? >> Yeah. Look it up. You can look it up. >> I don't have to look it up. I already know the law. >> Okay. I know it too. >> Okay. So tell me what law it is. >> You can look it up. I'll just let you know. Do you have any ID or anything like you? You don't have ID. >> You suspect me of committing a crime. >> I'm asking you a question. That's all. >> I just went through this with him. >> Yeah. If I'm not suspected of committing a crime. >> I'm just asking question. >> Okay. I say you're asking for ID. I'm going to I'm going to decline the I'm going to decline the request. >> Okay. >> Okay. You guys are being I don't mean to be a dick to you guys. I'm really not You haven't done anything to me. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here to protest and the only way that I have the [music] ability to protest and that is to photograph vehicles, buildings, people, you know, and publish it. And until until there's some accountability within your organization, I'm going to do that everywhere that I can find you guys. >> Okay. Why did you come here to do it? >> Why did I come here to do that? >> Yeah, that's the question. >> I came over to the fallen officers memorial to get some pictures of that memorial and this building uh headquarters and come over here that >> Oh, because I had other places to go. They wouldn't give me the the officer's name. They refused to give it to me. >> So now that you got our name, then what? >> Well, I'm not here for you guys. >> He starts calling out every issue right in front of the officers. One side keeps making demands. The other fires back, calm, cold, and defiant. Then he brings up something that happened earlier and demands the one thing police seem desperate to avoid. And from that moment on, it stops being just words and turns far more serious. that they wouldn't give you the name. >> Yeah, they they refused to to identify the officer. So, if they're not going to identify the officer so I can make a complaint, then I'm going to throw a fit and come out here and protest by every employee and license plate number and everything and publish it. >> Okay? >> I mean, that's that's my only recourse. If there's a lack of accountability in your agency, what other what other recourse do I have? >> So, what are you going to accomplish by this assassination? >> Irritate. >> That's not irritating you. doesn't irritate you, but it's going to irritate some of these people. >> A little irritated, >> huh? You seem a little >> I'm not irritated. Okay, good. Good. Cuz I'm not trying to irritate you. >> Not every Yeah. I'm not here to irritate you. That's it's the higher up. And what it takes [music] is these guys getting pissed off and complaining to their bosses, okay? And then their bosses will affect some change. Okay? My opinion is that that two things. Number one, we got police officers dying in the streets of America. good, honest, hardworking police officers because of bad cops. Bad cops get good cops killed. Okay? And and I am determined determined to to straighten that problem out. May not happen, but I'll do my best. You know, the second thing is, you know, accountability. You guys work for us. If I ask you your name, you should give it. You're you're in uniform. What do you got to hide? What would you be embarrassed about? What you know, I had one of your officers attack me, grab me for nothing. >> For no reason today. And what happened? >> Over at Jay Edgar Hooverville. >> After he grabbed me, what happened? >> Uh, well, he let go when I when I I made him let go. Okay. And then I asked for the supervisor showed up. >> Okay. >> And I asked for the officer's name. He wasn't wearing a name tag. He's the only one there not wearing a name tag. >> Okay. >> And uh he refused to give it. The supervisor wouldn't give it to me. I >> What did your supervisor tell you to do after that? >> Leave. >> Okay. >> We left. >> Why didn't you stay here? Well, I may go back there. I'm undetermined at this point. But my point is that's what I'm here for. So, every FBI building that I can find, and you can send out a bulletin on me, take a picture of me if you want. I don't care. Every FBI building I can find. Every FBI employee I can find, I'm going to photograph [music] them. Okay? I'm media. I have a big website. Okay? Okay. So, I'm going to photograph them and I'm going to publish it until I get that officer's name. And >> at this point, it's no longer a normal conversation. It feels like a full-on pursuit for one clear answer. But it doesn't stop there because next he makes a statement that forces the other side to take him seriously. >> Explain to their boss. >> Okay. >> Okay. The boss. I know you guys are at the bottom of the food chain. I got it. Okay. But when the boss gets word and gets enough complaints and get bitched at enough, they will affect a change. They will make a change. All that I asked for over there was that officer's name so that I could make a complaint. I think that's reasonable. And I actually think that your policy requires that he get that name. >> Okay. Okay. I don't know. >> I actually do know and it does. >> Okay. You know, you know. I know. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't know. But I mean, I know my name right. >> Exactly. That's why I said I'm I I don't mean to come across as a dick. Sometimes I get I get a little upset and I do and that's not my intention. You guys are fine. I understand. Like I said, you're at the bottom of the food chain. I'm after the guys a little farther up. >> And if you want to send one of these guys out here to to chat with me, I'll tell them the same thing. All I'm asking for, give me that officer's name. I'll be gone and we're done. I'll make my complaint. We're done. >> Go to headquarters name because he's not here. That's >> Well, probably tomorrow morning I'll go over there when they're when they're opening up and they have employees coming and going and and I'll make my point there again. I mean that that that's unfortunate that I have to be like that. I don't want to be like that, but sometimes that's what it takes. I mean, I'm I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm and I certainly don't want to uh some of these guys may do undercover work. I I certainly don't want to publish somebody like that if I can avoid it. So, all I asked for was one name. >> Yeah. But this is my first time hearing about this. So, we don't know. We didn't know that that happened. >> Skinner. Skinner. Stinker. Stunker. Slinker. The lieutenant's name was something like that. Okay. >> Do you know who he is? You know what I'm talking about? >> Tall white guy, kind of skinny. Slinker, I think his name was. >> I have no idea. >> Yeah, I think it was Slinker or something like that. But anyway, >> okay. >> Which website? You said you have a website. Can I ask what website it is that you want to publish? >> I will send a link to the FBI when I start publishing this stuff. Absolutely. 100% will send a link at every location that I visit between here and my home state which is a long way from here because I got nothing but time batteries and film and bandwidth and that's what I'm going to do until I get the name of the officer but hands on me so that I can make a legitimate complaint. I'm not trying to make a complaint to a supervisor that directly oversees this guy. Okay, that's a complaint I would make if if you guys talk stupid to me. Let me see your supervisor. supervisor, could you do a line complaint for this officer and straighten this guy out? We're done. But when you go hands-on with somebody, [music] >> we've gone to the next level. >> In the end, the tension seems to cool down, but the most important question still goes unanswered. He doesn't leave because he's done. He leaves because he's decided this is only the beginning. And if he comes back tomorrow, right at opening time, things may not stay as simple as they were today. A safe society can't be built on silence or fear. It must be protected by the rule of law, respect for human dignity, and proper conduct from both sides. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]