So, he definitely did have with an underage girl. >> Yeah. Hello. >> You said you said that you have a gun on you. >> I have a gun on me. >> Hey, John. Hey, nothing what you did or taking anybody's life, including your own. >> He wanted death by cop. That's what he wanted. That's what he told me. >> Friday, August 16th, 2024, Montgomery County, Ohio. What set off the police response was not a traffic stop, but a missing juvenile investigation. In less than a day, that starting point turned into an 8-hour pursuit across three counties, ending in one of the most unpredictable and dangerous standoffs in recent memory. I'm Tyler, and this is your daily dose of crime. We see you out there watching, but only 11% of you are actually subscribed to the channel. So, take a moment right now to hit that subscribe button and ring that bell so that we can reach more people and so that you never miss your daily dose of crime. Thanks for supporting the channel and for watching. >> This is Butler County with a transfer. I have a Jonathan Brown on the line. He has some questions about if he is wanted in his case. Sir, are you still on the line with us? >> Yes. >> Hello. >> Yes, I'm here. >> Hi, this is Trenton. What can we do for you? >> I'm just Never mind. I have a cop behind me. Please tell them to leave me alone or I'm going to take my life. >> Okay. Where are you at? >> I'm on the highway right now. Tell them to leave me alone. I'm going to shoot myself right now. >> 911. And what is the address of your emergency? >> No address. I need you to tell me to stop cops. Get off of me before I take my life. >> Okay. Where are you >> now? I'm in Monroe. >> Okay. Can you pull over? >> For what? >> Pull over so that they don't have to chase you. We don't want anybody else to be in danger, including you. >> Hello. >> You said you said that you have a gun on you. >> I have a gun on me. >> Where is it in your vehicle? >> It's in my hand. >> Okay. We don't want anybody getting hurt. Are you willing to pull over to speak with the officers? >> And then what? >> Okay. We just need you to stop your vehicle and not have the gun on you. >> That's not going to happen. >> To pull your vehicle over and not have the gun on you. >> The gun's going to be on me. I'm going to die today. I'm sorry that I ruined your work day, but I need to call my mom and let her know that I love her. Okay. >> Okay. Well, I need you to stay on the phone with me. I just need you to pull over so that you can talk to them and then you can talk to your mom. >> I can't. I can't. I don't know what to do. Just I just need you to put the gun down and pull your vehicle over. >> Okay. >> Because I ran, >> right? So they're trying to to pull you over so that they can talk to you. >> I need you. >> Can you pull over first? >> The day began with a search for a missing juvenile in Middletown. Detectives traced the case to a hotel in Butler Township, where they found two minors in the custody of Jonathan Edward Brown, age 32, a resident of Trenton, Ohio. When officers approached to question him, Brown fled in a stolen pickup truck, triggering a regional alert that mobilized more than 10 law enforcement agencies. Minutes later, 911 calls revealed a new level of danger. Brown was driving while armed, disoriented, and idle. What began as a missing person's case quickly escalated into a high-risk emergency with a suspect running not from the law but from himself. >> Hello. >> Hello. Is this John? >> Yes, sir. >> This is uh Trooper Claus with the highway patrol. >> Yes. >> I was under the impression that you you might like to speak with a trooper. >> I think it's too late for that. You guys are all over my ass. >> Well, sir, it's not too late for that. That's why we're calling. >> It's too late. >> No. All I wanted to do was talk to my daughter and Mariah and I said I would turn myself in. Nobody would let me talk to him. >> Right. We can still set that up though. We just need you to stop. >> Look, I'm not even a bad guy. All this is stupid. >> Listen, John, I I never said you're a bad guy. I I don't know much about this to be honest with you. Um that's why I'm calling. >> I got pulled over two days ago. I ran out of gas and I had my daughter's best friend with me in my semi and the state highway patrol who pulled me over thought it was suspicious and weird because I had her with me and not my daughter but my daughter was grounded and she wanted to ride with me and they said and I got interrogated two days ago for six hours and they said if there was and they took my phone and her phone and said once they dumped it and if I find out there's any pictures or anything on this phone with you too, then who's going to make sure I got locked up for 20 years? But on this state, Ohio state law on the website states that a 16-year-old is mature enough it it as an adult to to be with whoever she wants to above the age of 18. >> You're you're right. >> Options are saying that's correct. And I'm so [ __ ] lost in my head right now. >> Well done. >> I didn't even do anything wrong. me and her. I didn't I've never pressured her to do anything. I love her. >> Right. And you're and you're right about the law, John. And let me tell you, it sounds like it sounds like it's just one big misunderstanding. That's what it sounds like to me anyway. >> I'm I'm ready to take my own life. >> Well, that's a permanent solution to this problem that's temporary. >> Temporary. Yes. But it ruins this ruins my life. >> You know, Mariah would not want you to do that, John. didn't want me to. She's been out crying all day since yesterday. So is my daughter. >> But they know I don't I'm not joking. >> Well, they want you to be safe just like we want you to be safe. We don't want you to hurt yourself or anybody else. >> John, this is Mike Butler. I work with uh I work with Trooper Clansson, Trooper Scheler, who you met the other night. I can tell you right now, there are no charges with our agency. There is no reason that you and Mariah can't live life the go on the rest of your life happy. I can tell you that this >> Hello, John. >> Hands up the window. >> Shut the vehicle off. Put your hands out the window now. >> I'm grabbing my rifle. Grabbing my rifle. Hands up. >> Come on, man. It ain't worth it. Put your hands out. You don't want to hurt nobody. >> While negotiators tried to keep him on the line, the chase moved on to Interstate 75. Coordinated by Franklin police and the Ohio State Highway Patrol. Brown drove on damaged tires, swerving between lanes and repeating that he couldn't turn himself in. His erratic tone confirmed that the situation was no longer a flight from arrest, but a behavioral crisis with lethal potential. Patrol units deployed stopsticks, deflating the tires and slowing the truck without using direct force. But even so, Brown kept driving on bare rims, passing through an active construction zone and forcing workers to jump aside. Off camera, more than 10 units operated under a joint command spanning three jurisdictions. The goal was no longer to stop him at any cost, but to end the pursuit with him alive. >> He's got a gun. >> It's a gun in his left hand. >> Got a gun to his head. Yeah. >> Looks like he's got to >> Driver. Driver, show us your hands. Show us your hands. Driver, stick your hands outside of the window. >> Not be harmed. Put your hands outside the vehicle. Drop the weapon. Put your hands outside the vehicle. >> Know it's your hand. >> Your hand. Look at all those guns. >> So, expose your hand. Nobody wants to. >> Let me see your other hand. Let me see your other hand, Jonathan. Jonathan, let me see your other hand about the vehicle. Face away from us. My name's Jonathan. Dude, we don't want this to end bad. It doesn't have to be a bad ending situation. Hey, >> do me a favor. >> Turn around. >> Hey, John. Hey. We don't want this to end with you getting hurt, buddy. We all want to go home, including you. Ain't nothing what you did worth taking anybody's life, including your own. What's the sad thing about it? We can't listen. I hear you. But you know we can't go anywhere. Look. Hey, look at me. Look at me. Hey, John. Can you show me your left hand in good faith that you don't have a weapon? Can you put it down so we can talk? Because it makes me nervous. You're making everybody here nervous when we don't have to. We can go talk. You go with one person and we leave. Listen, you sound concerned. I get it. There's a lot of us and one of you. Let's change that. Just me and you. But you got to come out of the car and I'll talk to you. But doing it this way ain't going to help nobody. Hey, you got Listen, man. Hey, look. You got a family. You got you got kids. They If your kids were here, would you want them to see this? What do you think about cell phones? People watching right now. You think your kids want to see this? They want their dad. You >> John, look. You ain't done anything serious right here. What have you done bad? You ran from us. Big deal. You got a lot going on, do you not? Yeah, exactly. We can explain some things. What we can't explain is you shooting somebody. I don't want to. We don't want to shoot you. We want to go home. But we can't until we resolve this. Hey, listen. My name's Nate. Okay. I've got kids, too. You understand your your kids need their dad wherever he's at. They need you. You understand that? And listen, you sound frustrated. I will let you talk to your daughter on my phone if you have to. But listen, the last thing they want is to grow up without a dad. All we got to do is step away from the truck and let me come talk to you. That's it. That's all there is to it. After that, you'll have your day in court. That's all. Just like everybody else. You're innocent until proven guilty. That's it. Yeah, I know the whole story. >> I don't want to talk about your business in front of them, but I know about the traffic stop the other night. I know about today. I know everything. You gave your chance to explain that, but you can't if you're dead. And you can if you hurt one of us. You have your chance to explain yourself. Let me put this in your head. How are they going to know that you took those pictures or you sent those pictures? You ever thought about that? How are you going to prove that if you're dead? I've been doing this for 18 years, man. You're innocent until proven guilty. We don't know anything. Give me a state phone. I need a state phone. Does anybody have anything to roll as wheels? >> No. >> How am I going to get this to you safely? I got kids. I don't want to get shot. I need to get this phone to >> him. [music] Back up. Back up. Back up. Back up. Go get him. Go get him. >> After the collision with the train, the Lynen Avenue Bridge filled with smoke and silence. Within seconds, regional command activated the critical incident protocol, sealing access points and deploying SWAT and crisis negotiation teams. Brown, conscious but disoriented, refused to leave the vehicle. Officers could not confirm whether he was still armed, forcing them to keep their distance while containment measures were prepared. CSX transportation halted all rail traffic and engineers assessed the damage to the line. Meanwhile, negotiators maintained contact with Brown following su risk crisis procedures. His survival reinforced the theory of a severe psychological breakdown rather than a straightforward attempt. At that point, the pursuit stopped being a police operation and became a controlled tactical crisis where the goal was no longer to capture him, but to bring him out alive. Today is Tuesday the 20th. I'm still at the point in this where I would like to hear your side of the story about what's going on. Cuz I in my eyes, it's still a big misunderstanding if you could clear that up for me. At least >> we could we [snorts] could even start with on Friday when you got in a big police chase with the train, you wrecked your car in a train. Did you have a gun? Cuz you told him you did. >> No. >> Did you try to get one? >> No. >> You didn't go to a gun store on Route 4. Were you thinking about it? Did you tell somebody you did? Cuz some people are saying that you had told them that you were going to or did or We didn't find a gun, but people are saying that they thought you had one. That's [snorts] why we're >> No. >> Okay. Did you ever hold your cell phone up to your head like a gun? Maybe because there's some some cops that were out there that said that they thought that you had a gun. >> No. >> No. What' you have in your hands when [snorts] you were on that bridge? Was it the phone? Cuz from afar that could probably depending on how you're holding it, it could be confused as a gun. I could see that. >> Just looks like a gun, but it ain't a gun. >> Mhm. Yeah. Cuz I know when we were on the phone, you told me you had a gun. That's why they were being so cautious about it because you kept saying, "Do the Do do you want me to shoot or [snorts] do you want me to shoot first or are you guys going to shoot first? So that was just all a big misunderstanding too. Is that I mean I'm So you didn't have a gun at any point in time? >> No. >> Okay. Do you own a gun? >> No. >> Oh, okay. Have you ever owned a gun? >> No. >> Never ever in your life? >> No. >> Okay. How bad are you hurt? >> What? >> How bad are you hurt >> right now? >> Yeah. [snorts] Like what kind of injuries do you have? >> I'm just sore all over. >> Yeah, that train was moving. >> The what? >> The train was moving. He went and photographed the train. He said that there was zero damage to that thing. It was hauling the mail. Were you trying to get in front of it? [snorts] >> I don't remember. >> You think you blacked out? Is there anything that you can recall from Friday? [snorts] I mean, I know a lot was going on. I can't imagine how you were feeling. I mean, I can I can imagine cuz like I said, we talked on the phone. I know how you were saying you were feeling, but I mean, what's the most that you do remember from your perspective? Cuz I mean, we have dash cam videos and stuff of the pursuit, but um we don't have your perspective of it. >> What was going on in your head? >> Just an idea, I guess. >> What kind of idea? You weren't trying to hurt anybody, right? >> No. >> So, some people Historically speaking, and him and I have done this for years, they get in pursuits for a number of reasons. Like some people do it for fun, some people do it because they have a suspended driver's license, some people do it because they have a stolen car, some people do it because they have warrants. Like what what would you say is the underlying reason [snorts] for your activity on Friday? So there was a lot of people that were involved in that. It could have went way different. >> I don't even know what to call it. It's just an idea. It's pretty much what it is, right? >> What kind of idea would you say it is though? Or was >> the madeup idea >> relating to >> all the nonsported stuff? >> We talking about the allegations made by Mariah. >> Yeah. Where's she? >> She is working with social services with her family. She's safe. >> I know you care about her. I can [snorts] tell you that she cares about you. >> How much longer is I'm safe? Are you not safe here? >> I'm not safe as long as I'm behind this stuff. No. >> What do you mean? >> I'm just trying to gather at how much longer until I'm safe. >> What do you Yeah. What do you mean by safe? I guess so. We can't answer your question. >> Like where she's sitting >> as I'm not understanding your question. Like what do you mean where she's sitting? >> Same aspect. >> Oh, as far as everything that was that she said, she's given full statements since then. So, when I processed your truck with Trooper Clance and Trooper Cree and Sergeant Butler, [snorts] who the other guy that you talked to on the phone was, um, we did find a pregnancy test in your truck. Is that Mariah's? >> I don't know. >> Who else would have a Why would you have a pregnancy test in your truck? Whose else would it be? >> Why is it hers? >> I'm asking you. It's your truck. You made a statement when you were on the phone during that pursuit on Friday. You said hypothetically, would things be different if Mariah were pregnant? We have strong indication that she is pregnant. That's why she's social services and her family and been provided a bunch of resources, but I believe that she's told you that she is pregnant. Am I right about that? >> I don't know. >> You don't know? Do you want her to be pregnant? >> I don't know. >> You still love her? >> I got love for her. Why wouldn't I? She's a amazing person. So in terms of you feeling safe, are you in fear of the allegations in general or are you in fear of social repercussions or are you in fear of legal repercussions? Like what are you in fear of? >> Well, right now >> Mhm. [snorts] >> I in fear of nothing. >> When you said that you want to be safe, that would imply that you're in fear. What's what is concerning to you right now? Because him and I will be completely honest with you about everything. [snorts] We'll have an open conversation. I don't know. >> On Friday when you were in the pursuit and everything like that, what you said it was just an idea. What was your Did you just want them to stop chasing you or >> On Friday? >> Yeah, I guess. What was What was your plan? >> Just stop chasing me. >> Why did it take you so long to come out of the truck? >> Me? >> Yeah. It had to be horrible. I got in your truck after the tear gas had like settled and it was horrible. I can't imagine what that was like. No air conditioner, hot, muggy. You're in a floor horn. >> During the post incident interview, investigators analyzed far more than his version of events. Brown was also questioned about his connection to the two juveniles found at the hotel, an aspect not yet reflected in formal charges, but central to the investigation. His fragmented, contradictory account forced detectives to focus on consistency rather than confession. Every pause, deflection, or personal reference was treated as an indicator of mental state. Meanwhile, prosecutors reviewed 911 reports. The vehicle's trajectory and inter agency communications across three counties. Evidence that would support charges of felonious assault and inducing panic while also informing the court's assessment of his psychological condition. As Brown tried to explain what happened, the case was already shifting from a police matter to a forensic and psychiatric evaluation where his mental stability would determine the next legal step. >> You just waiting for everybody to go away or cuz everybody thought that you were planning to attack them. That's why they approached it the way they did. >> Well, they thought I was going to attack them. That's why it took so long. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Cuz you made references to having a gun. Is there any questions you have for either one of us? >> No. >> No. You're aware of what you got charged with on this pursuit and everything? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, those charges are in Warren County. So, that's completely different than the incident where you and I first met. >> Why am I in Butler? >> You're in Lebanon right now. >> Yeah. This is the Warren County Jail. >> I'm in Warren County Jail now. >> Yeah. >> Your pants. Yeah, your pants say it. >> You hit a couple cop cars near that. Yeah. I think you only have one charge of felonious assault. That's where that came from. I even know I hit other cop cars. >> You just trying to get away. >> I don't even remember. >> The stuff that you're charged with now stems specifically [snorts] from you running from law enforcement. >> I only remember running from law enforcement. >> I can I can see that. I mean, it's like I said, it's a very traumatic experience on Friday, but the only side of it that we know is our side of it and how we were involved. So that's why we're here talking to you to try to get to understand you because you don't seem like a bad guy. When we talked on the phone, you were very respectful. You weren't you weren't rude or anything to me. So [snorts] it's hard for me to believe a guy that acts like you seems like a good guy would be in a situation like this. So that's what we're trying to understand. >> I mean, I understand if I was able to give a legit reason, I would. >> Okay. I don't remember any of this. >> Okay. What's the last thing you remember? [snorts] >> I don't remember him talking about going to jail. I don't remember. >> What do you remember? Like what's the last thing you remember? >> I remember being interrogated by you. >> Yeah. Is that the last thing you remember? >> Yes. >> Okay. How did you and Mariah end up together again then? Do you remember that? [snorts] >> No. >> No. >> Where was that? Well, ultimately you guys were found at the Quality Inn on Miller Lane up in Dayton >> in a hotel room >> with your daughter. >> Yeah, I remember now. >> You do remember that? >> Yes. >> So, how did you and Mariah get hooked back up together? When did you guys meet up? >> No, she found me. >> Where'd she find you at? Or what day? What time? Like, do you remember any of that? I don't think you took her. It's not like you kidnapped her. She wanted to be with you. >> No, I didn't take her. >> Yeah, I knew that. That's why police were looking for her. She was declared a runaway. >> So, how long am I looking at >> for [snorts] this stuff? It's hard to say because I don't know if you've been charged with everything that you're going to be charged with right now. >> I won't get to see Mariah again. >> Well, I'm not saying that. Has she tried to visit you? Are [snorts] you allowed visitors right now? >> No. >> No. When will that change? Have they told you? >> No. >> No. You just got here a couple days ago, I think. Right. >> Yes. >> They may have like a waiting period 5 days or so. I don't know. The sheriff's office runs the jails. We don't. So, it's their rules. It's their house. Nothing's preventing you from talking to her. [snorts] There's no court order in place. There's no there's no nothing like that. I think your bond right now is almost a million dollars. >> So, you think my bond is a million dollars? >> It's roughly. Yeah, it's up there. So, you got charged by um the Lebanon Post of the Highway Patrol and then the Springrove Police Department also charged you for pursuit and then either hitting or attempting to hitting one of the officers and then McGomery County potentially has stuff in the works too that they could indict you on or hold you on or whatever. >> What am I going to do to clear my name with this stuff? >> What stuff? >> All this stuff. >> What stuff? >> With you. I can [snorts] tell you this. Um, I did get a search warrant today. You can keep that. It's a copy. Um, to dump both your phone and and her phone. So, what's going to happen is we're going to forensically examine [snorts] those phones. Um, and then the um federal government is actually interested in looking at it. So, I can't tell you what's going to happen. >> You don't know how long I'm going to sit for? >> You're not held on any of the stuff with me. The only thing that you're held on currently is the stuff from traffic from the pursuit. >> How do I get out of that? >> What do you mean? How do you get out of it? Like, how do you get out of jail or how do [snorts] you get >> Yeah. >> The only way you can get out of jail is get your bond reduced or lowered or, you know, get an O bond. So, you [snorts] have to talk to the judge or to speed your case along. Try it. Have a jury trial, bench trial, or whatever. As the interview continued, detectives turned their attention to his personal relationships. Names and past connections began to surface, and among them, Mariah, a young woman linked to the recovered minors, and according to social services, possibly pregnant. Off camera, that revelation reshaped the investigation. It was no longer just about a pursuit. It became a network of interpersonal dependency involving possible juvenile victims still under judicial protection. Behavioral analysts began identifying patterns of manipulation and emotional control. Traits that could explain his impulsive and evasive behavior during the chase. >> The chick you talking her her name is slipping. >> Yeah. I I have her actual name written down if you need it. >> That's how you say it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um so what do you help me and us understand what is her association with this Miranda Blakes chick? >> Friend. >> They're just friends. >> They're just friends. Um, they've been French like I think 20 years is what she said. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Something like that. >> Small world, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I guess I'll just cut to the chase. What's her What's her loyalty to John Brown? >> Yeah. I don't know if she has any loyalty to him. She doesn't like him. Miranda is like in love with the guy. >> Why? >> I have no clue. Apparently, they've been like off and on like seven years or something like that from what I can tell. And it's kind of patchy. If you watch kind of the the home waves, it's it's like it's like it was a patchy relationship, but now it's like got her in trouble with the guy that she was actually a fiance, like all this stuff. He kicked her out the past weekend and stuff like that from what they said. I guess I don't really know what's true and what's not. >> When John, what led to him being here, you know, big big deal. >> Uh yeah, I've heard some from the CEOs, some from her, and it's like it was a train and like 60 cops involved. >> Yeah. Yeah, it was huge. I was there. >> Yeah. Um, and that was actually her vehicle that he was driving. >> Miranda's. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was his truck, but it's her truck. >> Co-signed it, smashed into a, you know, he's like, "Oh, it hit me." I'm like, "No, you hit it." >> They don't move. They don't swerve. They They don't swerve that you hit it. >> Trains have the right away. So now she's actually, you know, putting up money for an attorney, >> like 13,000 or something like that. >> Yeah. So I'm trying to figure out what the loyalty is there because obviously she's privy to enough information that like, hey, he might be using you. >> He is using her um for the money, for commentary, for the lawyer and stuff like that. Stuff that got clarified whenever I talked to kids outside the pod cuz they switch us pods. We're no longer in the same pod. >> Um, we used to be selling next to him or something, right? >> I was right next to him actually for about four weeks to a month, I think. Okay. >> Um, so the things he shared with me was that there was a girl, I'm assuming she's the girl of interest, right? >> Um, I don't know her name. I would think it's probably I guess um there's a girl on his home wave named >> Okay. >> So I know it's Miranda, his mom, his sister, a girl named and then on his home wife. >> Okay. >> I don't know if one he talks to um every once in a while, but there's another one on there that that his name from what uh actually a guy named that's in here with me knows too. He's got her name tattooed on his hand on his right hand. >> So that tattoo actually says Mariah. >> Mariah. Okay. That I couldn't make out. He never really show. He's like, "This right here." Like, "She's this girl's waiting for me on the outside. Like, she's waiting for me." >> Yes. He's like, "She's waiting for me on the outside." >> And I'm like, "But you have Miranda." And he's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no. It's I have her, but yeah, this girl here, the girl I love, she's she's >> and he's talked with her." >> Not in here. >> Okay. >> Not not in here. The girl I said the other one girl's name now, you can look on his home and see his people and see if she is on there or not. >> But yeah, he's definitely he definitely has mentioned her. Um, and he knows I'm appealing it. He knows I'm strongly against anything underage, >> right? >> And I'm like, "Okay, great." Like she was 18. That's what she told he told me. But she said she's less than 16. And there's other girls that he has talked to like he like saying stuff like how your her nails look good. You know, they look good. Else Elsa was wrapped around something else if you get my meaning. >> Right. >> And like I said, you can watch my home wives. You know, it's all there of what she was saying to me. Now, I don't I don't talk to Miranda hardly at all. I don't really trust her. >> Talk to Miranda. >> Talk to Miranda. Yeah. Yeah. Um but no, he he did say like um that and I was like well I was like okay. I was like well I was like she's 18. I was like that's fine. And he's like well I took her virginity is exactly what he said to me. >> So he definitely did have with an underage girl too. >> The testimony of a close friend of Brown added an entirely new dimension to the case. He described Brown as obsessed with Mariah whose name was tattooed on his hand. According to Brown spoke of her with a mixture of guilt and devotion, convinced that she was the only person who understood him outside of prison. Also mentioned that Brown maintained simultaneous relationships and financial ties with other women, including Miranda, who allegedly helped pay for his legal defense. To investigators, these details revealed a pattern of emotional dependence and manipulation, suggesting a sustained behavioral cycle rather than a single impulsive act. His words reframed the entire narrative. This was no longer seen as a desperate escape, but as the culmination of a psychological and emotional collapse that had been developing long before that August morning in Middletown. >> Uh, no. He remembers everything. I I can contest to that. I I have a head injury. I have what's called postconussive syndrome. Have you ever heard of it? >> If you want to kind of do a little research on it, um, go watch a movie called Concussion. Will Smith plays in it. Beautiful movie. It's all about the football players and their concussions and how their mind gets changed from concussions. That's what I had for almost 6 years. >> Okay. >> 2014. So, I know what memory loss does and how it is. >> He remembers things that days later, days earlier, and he's like, "Oh, I don't remember yesterday." But you remember what you did in the green pot and in the max pod and all this stuff like you remember five six days ago, >> right? >> So he he knows he remembers everything that he did. He's just full disclosure, he is playing the system for that competency to get out of his charges. He's a Snapchat [ __ ] Anything on Snapchat and he he loves it. So any information that's going to be anywhere useful is going to be Snapchat. But if you don't know, Snapchat deletes anything after 3 months if there's not a subpoena or a warrant for the information. So he knows that. He specifically knows that it disappears after three months. So he only >> Yeah. He specifically knows it because I actually said in my case, there was a a an actual picture that was supposedly sent on Snapchat that my wife had had that ended up on a 16-year-old girl's phone. It didn't. It was just given to the whatever the prosecutors and bunch of due process issues with my case and that was dropped. So me and him talked about it a little bit. I was like, "Well, I know what you're talking about very very clearly cuz I was involved in something like that, too. Yeah, you have intimate workings with them. >> Yeah. Like I I know like that's part of my case. He goes, "Well, what do you mean?" I was like, "What they have, they have. They can get it." I was like, "If they're looking at you, they're going to get anything they can on you." I was like, "And they can pull all your data. Anything you typed in, they can pull." I was like, "It's all through your background data." And he's like, "No, no, no. It's gone." So, he's very adamant that anything he types is gone. I'm like, "No, it's not." I was like, "It's not gone. You can pull your background data." I was like, "Now your metadata is gone, the pictures and things like that." I was like, "But they can still get you for anything you type in Snapchat to any underage teenager or any anyone." So there there is some stuff on Snapchat. I think I can be for sure, but I think there's >> Do you think he's ever messed around with any other underage? >> I think he has honestly. >> What makes you feel that way? >> Um how comfortable he was talking about 18-year-olds and whenever he talked about it was like it was pre-programmed to say 18, not anything younger. >> Yeah. >> And it was just his demeanor. Like I said, I I'm bilingual person. I can read someone. I don't like being lied to. He definitely probably has done before. And then all but confirmed that he has talked to underage women before. She said he's the type of guy you don't want around your kid in Walmart. That he is a manipulator. He's a narcissistic person. He's he's done things with kids. And it was, like I said, it was all but confirmed through. And she even admits to me on Homewave that he did have with this this 15 16-year-old. >> Has he talked about his case much? >> He's talked about it a little bit here and there about how what happened, hitting the spike strips, uh walking around the truck, um having his hand inside the truck to act like he had something inside the truck. He wanted death by cop. That's what he wanted. >> That's what he told me personally. He wanted by cop. They weren't biting. So he walked around the truck. He said, got back in the truck and took off. And then when he got to the train, there was I think three blown tires out and he se like seen the train coming and then he went into the train. That's that's kind of how he described it to me. >> In the weeks following his arrest, the Warren County Prosecutor's Office filed a six-count indictment, including felonious assault on an officer, failure to comply, interference with train operations, and more. Altogether, Brown faces a maximum sentence that exceeds 17 years in prison and fines totaling nearly $40,000. He remains held at the Warren County Detention Center on a $250,000 bond. The judicial process took an unexpected turn in December of 2024 when the court ordered a second competency evaluation, a rare decision that reflected serious doubts about his ability to stand trial. The first evaluation was reportedly inconclusive, prompting the court to request a new independent assessment. If Brown is found incompetent, proceedings will be suspended until he underos restorative treatment. If deemed competent, he'll face trial on all current charges. As of now, the case remains open without a trial date, and what's at stake is no longer the length of a sentence, but the very question of criminal responsibility under mental impairment.