Hi. We have a check. He's going to receive these checks in the mail and I we suspect it's from the same person. Okay. Um and this is what it looks like, but I mean, it's just explain that if you try to put that in his account and send it to whoever the recipient is that the check would not only be returned, but then the money that they sent You know what I mean? He gets negatives. So, um we're just trying to explain him that it's fraudulent pretty much cuz he keeps receiving these checks, a lot of them. >> Why do you think they sent you this check? Did you do any work I mean, for them? So, what what's What do you think you're getting them then? Why would they send you that much money? [Music] She said it was uh to send it to her for her fiance. Do you know who they are? Didn't you say she wanted you to sell a house for her or something? No, not a house. Okay. Sell something. Yeah, but nobody's going to send you a check like that just because. It's either you're going to be doing work for them and then they're going to pay you for your service. So, this has happened a lot. So, if we deposit that check, Sean, and it comes back, the bank is going to close your account, meaning we cannot reopen that account because we can't talk to you about it. We've seen this before. Okay. So, um So, like they were asking, like what makes you think that Like, do you know these people? Do you know where this this is actually coming from? Yeah. [Music] I have an envelope from the last check you received. I scanned it. There's a There's a totally different address on there as well. Okay. So, basically, he's been receiving multiple um checks in the mail and every time that he's tried to um deposit them, they've obviously not gone through and they're trying to just inform him that this is fraudulent. Mhm. So, why are you Why are you receiving the checks then? I don't know. You don't So, so you just You don't know these people. Somebody's sending you a check and you're just trying to cash it. Well, she said it was for her fiance. Who is her? Who is she? Who you're referring to? Her here. So, somebody [Music] Somebody that you don't know? No. Well, I know her. How do you know her? What's her relation to you? Well, she's [Music] a real good friend. For how long? Um How long have Have you met this person? No. Have you met them online? No. Well, yeah. On a Facebook, Instagram? Um Zingy Zingy. Huh? It's a dating app? >> No, it's Zingy, yeah. >> It's a dating app. Okay, so so a young lady that you met on a dating app is sending you checks to cash in your name and what does she want you to do with those checks? She wants me to get um Apple cards. Right, and send them to her. Yeah. Right. So, they're scamming you. This is a scam. Okay? So, and that is probably a fake profile. Okay. Okay? So, how long have you been receiving these checks? This is only This is the check that has This is the last one that you brought and it seems like these they're made out of to from real companies. It's Mhm. Yeah, they can make these checks. I've dealt with a lot of this in the case. Um And then there's another address here. This address is to a Walmart. Mhm. Yeah. So, this this is This is just a scam. So, what they do is they contact multiple people. They build a relationship and a rapport with you and then they tell you, "Hey, do me a favor. Can you cash this check and send me back the check in gift cards?" And then they take those gift cards because that money overdrives your account. Once they find out that the check is fraudulent, the you are have the burden of paying that money back because you've already taken that money and given it to them. So, it's a scam. So, you're probably not talking to a female. It's probably just somebody using her as a front. Okay. So, what we do is [Music] What we do is we take the checks, take the envelope. We do take take take an initial and forward it up to Anacortes, most likely. It's very hard to track because they they doing it and they usually do it through the mail. Okay. So, like that So, like that. This is her. Who? Which one? Rose. So, when you click on Rose's profile, where did you get her number from? From Zingy? No, I got it from uh Did you cash the check already? No. Okay. The first check that he deposited, did you cash it? Okay, so he has He's not out any money, right? No. So, the bank would be the victim, not him. Okay. He's just the complainant. We just We I was just collecting these just in case like some I don't know. I just I just had pictures just in case. So, nobody's out any money. He didn't get Right. And you And you guys didn't cash it. It didn't go through. So, really there's there's really no victim in this activity. We just kind of wanted somebody to explain him further what's going on. I kind of tried to explain it and so did Renee, but we just wanted cuz I know you guys have had a lot of experience with this. So, we kind of just wanted to talk to him a little bit just to inform him that this is what they do. You know what I mean? All right. So, no one's out of There's no exchange of funds. So, you're You're technically not a victim. You're just being scammed over the phone, really, and they're sending you these things. Thank God the bank was able to catch it so that you you weren't out of the money. Um if the bank was out of the money and they had to reimburse themselves, then the bank would be considered the victim, not you, because the bank is covered by the FDIC. So, if they're the ones that have to, you know, recoup those funds. So, but being that nobody is out of the money, it's really just an information report, possible scam alert that people are, you know, this is very common. They meet people through dating websites. They butter you up. I had a lady down south that was out $2 million. So, this is definitely like a live thing. Be careful on these dating sites. That's why I asked you if you ever met this person in person or like in real life. So, um You know, like I said, good job on the bank and good job for you bringing it here. Reporting is If you get another check, if you get another check, just bring it to the police station and let them know that I keep receiving these checks and it's fraud. Do not attempt to cash them. [Music] Yeah, because if it goes through the ATM, the ATM will Some Some banks have that automatic deposit and then they'll catch it later and then you're out of the money. That's why they don't want you to talk to someone because they're going to live see that this check is coming back fraudulent, where ATM is just a computer that's going to push it through, think it's real. So, that's why they tell you don't mobile deposit checks from people that you don't know. I don't feel like I would have a bank. That's a good explanation, pretty much. Um You have all his information? Oh. Um Do you by chance have your ID? It would be the easiest way to I do have my ID, but I can tell you basically everything right now. Um and I believe it was asked already, but I just want to verify. How long have you been receiving these checks? Over the course of Give or take, how long? I'd say 6 months, maybe. 6 months? So, all fairly recent. Yeah. Okay. So, you've gotten a loads of them, just kind of It was that one time. This is This is the second one now, right, Sean? Has she sent you anything else? No? Is this the first? Yeah, that's the envelope with the with the address. It's kind of hard to see, but it looks like it came from a Walmart. The address. [Music] It's a Salt Lake City? Yeah. Yeah. And then this one was Yeah. So, I mean, one's coming from Salt Lake City and one's coming from Delaware, you know? So, completely different areas, sides of the country. So, do you know anybody in Utah? No. So, that's where that's coming from. This one. And then that one, like I said, is coming from Delaware. [Music] Yes, I do. Actually, she said she's in Canada. Okay. That's something Right. Right. Not even remotely close to either one of those places. Okay. And the address on your license that you're your current address, that's where you've been receiving them, correct? So, is this going to make Is this going to make me on the degree? What do you mean? Like is Are you saying is this going to get you in trouble? Yeah. No. Okay. If it If it becomes a problem where they suspect you to be the one who's creating these fraudulent checks, that's something completely different. But right now it doesn't look like that. It looks like somebody's trying to scam you. Like she said. So, that puts you and the bank as the victim. So, you're you're fine. Bank secure. Yeah. She's got your back on that one. Huh? She got you back. Yeah. She uh She know She knows what to do. Told me to keep that. Yeah. I don't hear anything. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to I know. You put it in the That's right. You can get this one, Jack. It says it's better than the one you have. Take a look at what we got. So, as of right now, I'm trying to get informa- like further information, but basically he met somebody online through a dating app. So, obviously it's it's not a real person. Um they have been trying to get him They've been sending him checks and then trying to get him to deposit them and then send them back as like Apple cards or gift cards. Um the bank has not deposited any of those checks. So >> But did he try to deposit it? Yeah. This is the two. Two. That's a crime. Okay. So, he wasn't aware that it was a scam. Okay. According to him. Um this is the second one now. They haven't deposited the money, so he's not out money. They're not out money. So, this is this is the second like second um time he deposits those or he's just doing two at a time? This is the second time he's done it. So, he's done it before? Yes. And we weren't called? No. Okay. Cuz they didn't notice it. I From my understanding, she noticed it, but didn't say anything. I just didn't report it. Um she kept it just because she said she I guess she informed him that uh this looks to be like a scam or fraudulent. So We're going to need both of those checks. Okay? >> Yes. Yeah. Um but treat them like evidence. Put gloves on. We'll do that. Um It wouldn't hurt Miranda to come and talk to him more cuz I understand he's not He might have gotten scammed, but still if you're depositing a check you got to know it's you know legal, right? You can't just deposit a fake check. Right. >> Sure, he may not know, but that's a different story. So, talk more, figure that out. Make sure you fill that stuff out. Obviously it was a worthless So, I'm waiting for them to come back, but I have his ID like his ID. I'm waiting to log him. So, I have his ID, but um Just make sure he has a a good contact number. Mhm. I have both home number and a phone number. And the person that he claims is giving him stuff like that, too. All right. Good work. Just cuz I have some further questions for you, I don't want you to take this the wrong way. But just so you're aware, I'm going to read you your rights. Doesn't mean that you're being placed under arrest. Doesn't mean that you're currently in trouble. It's just you have rights and you have um the right to know them, okay? So, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to an a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning. Um you can decide to at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or any statements, okay? Do you understand and the rights that have been read to you? Okay. With these rights in mind, do you want to speak with me? I have nothing to hide, so why not? Okay. So, like I said to So really we're just trying to figure out um Like like my partner was saying, you know, you did attempt to do this once before and were informed that um they were fraud. What What made you come back and decide to do it again? She's persistent. She being her? Yeah. Okay. So, you said Rose is persistent. Yeah. Okay. Did you think for some reason that there was a you know, what What made you think that I get that you're saying that she's persistent, but she's still sending fake checks. Do you Do you understand what I'm saying? If they've already told you the first one, what makes you think the second one's going to be good? Did she inform you in any way? Did she say, "Oh, I'm sorry. Is there This is the reason this first one didn't go through or" She told me her fiance Okay. [Music] And she said that after her dad's death in Canada her dad done I would said some her fiance I believe on went to cash checks for her. Okay. Because she's out of country, I guess. Yeah. And she's trying to get you to get Apple cards and send them back to her? Yeah. Did she give you a different address to send them back to? Did she give you an address at all to send them back to? Um No. Just to snap it and Okay. I told her to send it here. All right. She told you to snap it back to her? Yes. Like Snapchat? No. Just Oh, like a screenshot? >> Yeah. Okay. Back to that number. Okay. >> Yep. Okay. Did you notice that both of those are coming from different areas? Did she give you an explanation as to why? No. I didn't ask her. >> Why? Okay. Did you notice it though? That one was coming from Delaware and one's coming from Utah and if she's supposed to be coming from Canada. I really didn't make the connection. Okay. That didn't raise any red flags or anything? No. Okay. Is there anybody else that she's been talking to? Has she given you somebody else's information? >> Yeah. Kate. Kate. Who's Kate? Williams. Kate Williams? Okay. >> Kate Williams and she uh She was the chef in Ontario. Um No, not Ontario. Uh chef in Tallahassee. In Tallahassee? Yeah. Okay. What is that relation? Husband. Both the same. Same as in what? Like is it Those two were trying to get money trying to get information and money out of you. Okay. So, this Kate Williams and then Rose have both been trying to get money from you. Yeah. Okay. What was the explanation from Kate? First time she said she's hungry. She had no food. She didn't have any food, but she's a chef? Yeah. And was put out of the house in Alaska. Got it. Then she said afterwards that she had a son. Okay. And I actually had a sore spot cuz I was thrown out of the house in Alaska. Okay. And uh I know how it is with being without food. Mhm. So, I sent money back to her. $25? Yeah. Well, Apple card. You sent a $25 Did she send you a check prior to that? No. That was just out of your pocket? Yeah. Okay. [Music] Where did you send that? Did you Screenshot it to her as well? Yes. Okay. [Music] Okay. She as in Kate has not sent you any checks though, has she? >> No. Okay. So, it's just been this Rose Yeah. person and these are the only two checks that you've received so far? Yes. Okay. So, I'm assuming that they have your information, obviously your address and Correct. Are these the only two though that you've been in contact with that have asked you for money? Yes. Okay. Did you ever text her about the first time you came here and they told you that the check is no good? Did you text her that or no? Well I told her to check in She said, "Don't go in." But she said, "Just put it in the ATM." So, what I did was I came to Cura and had her shred it. Okay. And uh I sent back to the uh ATM machine had a Something weird happened to it and it just read read the check. Okay. So, let me ask you. Why Why would you do that? What made you come in here versus attempting that like cuz The reason why I ask you this question is because did you have any indication in that time that this is weird and there's a reason that I'm having her shred this versus attempting to actually try to correct it. [Music] Did they ever tell you not to bring in any more checks that look fraudulent or appear fraudulent? She did tell me that. Who's she? Ruth. Okay, so say Repeat that. She said that not to bring in any more checks? Not to bring in just goes for the ATM. So don't bring them in. But me being the curious one, I uh brought it in. Showed it to her, and she shredded it. So you So you had some suspicion. It sounds like. Okay. Were you Were you more or less like hoping it was real kind of thing? I don't really know. Okay. All right. So let me just ask you. Did you know the second check was the one you brought in today? Yeah. You knew it was counterfeit. And you still tried to check it. Yeah. Okay. There you go. You Mirandized him, right? Mhm. All right. Stand up for me. Stand up. Stand up. What you doing? We're going to do this tomorrow. Okay. I don't I don't >> Why am I being arrested? Uttering a forged check. All right. Come to this wall here. You got anything in your pockets that's going to stick me, poke me, prick me? All right. Don't reach. Anything in your pockets that's going to stick me, poke me, prick me, anything like that? All right. Put your hands right here. Your other hand like that. You good there? Okay. You're good. Just hold it there. Okay. Let me make sure you call it out. I don't know. Dispatch. All right. Here. We're going to do this, okay? I'm going to just cuff you in the front, okay? You understand what's going on, right? Not really. Not really? Okay. Here. Do it Can Maybe if you go like this, it'll be easier. There you go. So it is illegal. You good there? Are you pinched? You got it there? No, it's a little tight. Okay. Let me undo it for you a little bit. So you can't try to cash a check that you know is forged, okay? That is uttering a false check, and that is illegal. Okay? It was one thing if you didn't know, right? But you admitted it to me post-Miranda that it was illegal, that you knew that it was uh that it was forged, okay? Want to get in there, brother? Watch your leg. I can't Just scoot your butt. No, I can't get in. What you got? Here. Let me help. How do I help? There you go. There you go. Scoot a little bit more. Sean. Yeah. Is there anything specifically that you want to take to the jail with you? You want just your wallet, your phone? I'm on medication. Okay. Your medication, that little black thing? No, I have my medication at home. Okay. Wait. There's a nurse staff at the jail that'll help you out with that, okay? Okay. Just scoot Just scoot your leg a little bit more cuz otherwise you're going to sit. There you go. >> Nothing on your person? Just want your wallet, your phone? We'll just take all of it. He had like knives or something. Willie, uh knives can't go. We'll take that as temporary team property. All right. Actually I was thinking we could probably take that little thing. >> Yeah, we can just take this little thing. Okay. So you understand WHAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? SO initially when you were in here, you told me out there that Okay. This is for information on counterfeit checks. She just took all of it. So you know what you're going to charge him with, right? Or not? So I mean I Okay. So it's uttering a false check. So it doesn't matter that it wasn't cashed or not. He had the intention to cash it, right? You Mirandized him, right? Yes. And then I was just waiting for you to ask these questions. No fault to you. You come down before. No big deal. But you ask him, "Hey, did you know this was forged?" He said, "Yes." "And you still try to cash it?" "Yes." That in its own is a crime, okay? Doesn't matter if he was conned out of it or not or whatever the intentions were. He knew it was false, and he came in, and he tried to try He tried to So did you get her information? I have her both her and her Okay. So we're we're going to need that. Um I'll send you the I will send Okay. Great. I'll send you the statute. I mean, see however you want to see it. Um but if you got any questions, just give me a shout, okay?