so you're saying that they told you to sprinkle a little bit into her drink correct yeah what you're doing is trying to kill your wife do you understand that right yes if we got Mom out of the picture they'd have me today we're in Wayne County Indiana where 69-year-old Alfred Ruff is meeting with detectives and is about to reveal a very Sinister secret Okay so let's start off just telling me why you're here today the reason I'm here today is I found I was given this little baller like ANS was about one of them FS baller mhm and had their white stuff they told me to just sprinkle a little bit on her drink then tell every when she was out and they come in and do their things okay I I don't understand who are you saying who's they that's her daughter and I can't pronounce her last name what's her daughter's name Lisa uh yeah is well I pronounce it that way I don't know okay I know she'd been in trouble with the law and then what's her friend's name you know it mhm Sarah you don't remember Sarah's last name no no at all okay Sarah that's that's it okay and you call her I think her you call her better her name yeah yeah she goes by okay so you're saying that the pill bottle that officer caves took from the residence that has the unknown substance in it he you were saying that they gave that to you they they gave me the bar they gave you the what well that okay peel bber gotcha and uh he said just take a little bed put on till she'll go up to sleep okay so they come in do does give her something else so she'll she's completely out okay what do you think that substances I have got no idea what it is medical tests would later confirm that c can benzo diazines and MDMA were found in the victim's bloodstream okay so you're saying that they told you to sprinkle a little bit into her drink correct yeah um and then it makes her go to sleep right yeah and then they come in and do what yeah they when they do watch them do sex and this and that watch them like those two yeah those two okay so what they don't do anything to Lisa no they do not do anything to Lisa okay um but why are they wanting you to sprinkle that onto her drink I think her wanting to to get her mom to enough of it to commit to murderer okay they know we sold she know we sold the house house and she's been playing me for money for right Al okay so this substance this stuff that you've been getting from how long have you been getting it from her we been probably three months or so but I've been accused of they tried been accusing me of running around picking up women and going to the motel and I ain't done that okay so you've been getting the substance from her from for about 3 months right and how often do you give it to Lisa just when they call and tell me they want to come up to the house okay so how often do you think that is Maybe twice twice or three four four times in a month yeah so tell me what they said and what they were planning on doing well they kept wanting to have Wan me to have sex with him and then they uh came up and it was the scheme if we got Mom out of the picture they'd have me and I said I told told her mom that uh I'd never do anything to her mhm and uh that's when I turn found this ball and I gave it to her last night I said here's what it is I said I don't know what's in it in fact it was I think I got they gave me their bed last time they was up I was drowsy for a day there okay so I'm still trying to get what their entire plan was so their entire plan is to have Mom get get Mom out of the picture so they want mom dad correct or something it's not or something I mean they're giving they're having you give this to have her dead correct yeah to work on her to what do you mean to work on her that's the reason why you're giving this is to eventually kill her correct yeah that's what they wanted to done okay and that's they said that to you is that correct yeah and just how did these alleged fem fatals sway Alfred to poison his own wife it started with putting on a show and uh they come to the house and then they try to put on a show for me and this and that okay so they're putting on a show and what do you mean by a show they W up my wife were some of these fancy nager shaves and that mhm where they got a hold of them they put him on and tried to Rouse Me by them wearing her clothes around okay so they wear the clothes around what else are they doing well I think while they're messing with me one of is trying to find stuff to go through and take out of the house okay so are you having sex with yes I have okay during these occasions that's what I'm saying is when they're coming up that you having sex with them yes okay and those two at the same time or just one well they'd both be there at the same time okay so here's the thing Alfred so they're they're coming up you're having sex with these ladies how old are they her daughter is 31 or 3 in the 30s okay and how old are you I'm 609 okay so you're having these females come up they come when either Lisa's gone or she's asleep right yeah and then you have sex with them and then they discussed a plan to kill Lisa correct that's what they was wanting to do okay what why so they get her out of the picture because she told you already that she had had a life policy well they think they get her out of the deal they would go get the life policy so I want to get everything straight okay before we ask a little bit more you knew what you were giving her was eventually going to kill her correct yeah I correct yeah okay so the the substance that you were getting from you knew that it was going to knock out your wife and then you knew that the longer you gave it to her it would eventually kill her and that was the ultimate goal I didn't know it was to go kill her with that same stuff okay but that was the goal was to eventually have her dead from the substance that she was taking that's what her daughter one did okay and then you were helping her daughter to do that correct yeah I was involved with it I wish I had never been yeah but you were involved in it you that's what you were doing yeah okay and Alfred is involved in more than just sprinkling some powder in his wife's drink how long have you been having sexual relationships with probably since back in September so this is not your daughter correct it's her daughter it's her daughter okay be my stepdaughter she's been in trouble or he a lot mhm where I used to live down my home place she Ed D twice down okay do you have any idea what this substance is no I do not okay because it's something we're going to have to handle we're going to have to be around it I don't want this substance harming me or other officers and you have no idea what it is I have no idea what it is at no point did say hey this is this or this is what you're going to give her say what tell what it was okay but she was the one giving it to you and then you gave it to Lisa I gave a little bit to Lisa okay and how many times total do you think you gave her this um between 3 months ago to now how many times totaler maybe 12 time okay every time that you gave it to her did lease or and show up yes okay and every time they came they put on this show correct yeah um so you're saying this past time you slept with and not yes okay um and then every time is it different or you just go from different one it's not the same person same one every time same one every time what do you mean well what I mean it weren just part of the time is okay once blinded by lust the harsh reality of what he's been doing is becoming crystal clear to Alfred and you understand what you were doing right I mean you understand that them giving you this to lead to that you know that is a criminal defense what you're doing is trying to kill your wife do you understand that right yes yeah and I mean it's a it I don't care whose plan it is you know what I mean or who came up with it you're a part of it and you're doing it you're the one giving her this substance in order to knock her out that is eventually the plan is to kill her is that correct what my plan it it doesn't matter who's plan it is I'm saying that's the plan right that was the plan yeah okay and you're the one going through with it you're the one giving her the stuff every single time 12 times for the last 3 months and you're the one doing that yes yes okay and then they would come in and they would give an additional amount every single time yeah okay okay um sit tight I'm going to have a word with officer caves with all the pieces in place investigators dig deeper to uncover how this puzzle began so when they initially brought this up did they have the pill bottle with them the very first time they talked about it or did they have to bring it the next time they came they came brought it the next time they came okay so that initial time that you guys spoke about it and you're at the house in September yeah they said what to you they said uh we just want to have a party with you mhm and uh I went along with it for a little bit yeah so when did it turn from hey let's get together and have sex and have Mom asleep during this time too we want mom dead in order to get her out of the picture about last part sect okay and how' that conversation go that conversation went we'll give you the stuff to do it with to put her to sleep then we'll come up and put a show on I'm not talking about they charged me money whenever they came up there they they would get me for about $150 okay so you were paying to have sex with them well that's what it amounted to yeah um what I'm what I'm concerned about is the conversation that turned from hey I'm giving this in order to have sex with these girls compared to I'm giving this to ultimately kill Lisa I did not want to kill Lisa okay but you knew that that's what their plan was and that you went along with it I went along with it okay when I should never been what was the conversation to turn to that point they said what to you in order to do that well they just kept oh every word they didn't they weren't leave me out they just kept on then they got telling her she called her mom up and said well we're having sex with Al and when did they tell your wife that it was back uh back in first part of November what' your wife say huh what' your wife say said she didn't go for him she said to she'd ready to get rid of me okay but did she believe him what yeah she believed that they' do it no she she believed them that you and you were having sex with them or did did you admit that to Lisa yes I did admit it to her okay so the main thing I want to know is the conversation that you guys had that eventually wanted to kill Lisa did they say that to you they say we want mom out of the picture we want her dad we want this what they didn't they didn't exactly say in that word but what' they say they said uh we get Mom out and then we'll have the one said well I can marry you then that we get rid of Mom okay if we get rid of mom yeah that was their idea thinking that I'd go marry there's no way and that conversation where she said get rid of mom took place at your house yeah it took place there at the house okay yeah and so was that said let's get rid of mom that obviously right one the head one of it okay and she said let's get rid of mom and then how did you know their goal was to have you married I didn't they just they just kept on there now how did you know that their goal was for you to marry they said that once they would know if I going married her who said that huh not said I ain't marrying you okay but you knew at that point the last part of September that their ultimate goal was to get rid of Lisa y okay and you continued to give Lisa the drug or medicine or whatever the substance was that they gave you from that point until December 29th correct yeah and you gave her upwards of 12 total times of you giving her this substance correct yeah okay and you knew that the goal was to have her get rid of her in order to end up dead correct was that the ultimate goal that was their ultimate goal I didn't want to kill her kill wife I metant but you were the one giving her the stuff in order to do it stuff to not knowing what in hell it was yeah okay that is all we need okay sit tight we're going to have somebody transport you down to the jail okay yeah to the jail mm all right just sit tight here can I ask what I'm being charged with well today what we're going to charge you with is attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder okay well I never did my plan was not to murder her okay this is what we're charging you with today from the information that we know and the information that you've told us okay [Music] okay Alfred Ruff was ultimately charged with and pleaded guilty to aggravated battery by knowingly or intentionally inflicting injury on a person that creates a substantial risk of death he was sentenced to four years in prison with an additional 5 years of probation after he serves his time Behind Bars his alleged co- conspir murders were never charged