Stay away from the vehicle. Stay away from the vehicle. Stay away from the vehicle. >> How old is she? >> Seven months. >> These children don't yet understand right from wrong or society's rules. Nor do they realize how challenging the adult world can be. >> They'll bend over, stick their ass up at me, and go kiss my ass. >> You're going to get STOP IT. >> WHAT ARE YOU running for? >> Okay. It's going to be simple battery. Okay. >> No, I haven't touched anybody. >> But this car seat is not attached to anything. Look. And when that innocence is affected, justice must speak up, reminding adults of their responsibilities and protecting the children's safety. A seemingly peaceful afternoon unexpectedly turned tense when an 81-year-old woman stepped outside and sprayed a mild irritant at two children. >> And then she sprayed I was like, I didn't know what she had. And then she held it up and sprayed it in like a big old black mist. On May 30th, 2025, Ocala, Florida, police received an emergency call about unusual behavior from an 81-year-old neighbor. According to reports, the woman sprayed children and adults with a mild irritant, used offensive words, and acted provocatively. Police quickly arrived, took statements, [music] and collected evidence from witnesses. >> Okay. How about this lady just sprayed pepper bear spray at me and kids? >> Hello. >> I'mma call you right back. >> Hey, honey. >> Hey, what's going on? So me and my they were just out here doing bubbles. >> Okay. >> And my neighbor, she out every day. Every day I called the police. Yeah. She's sitting there with her camera and I and she has cameras so she she I don't know if she watches but she can pull that camera footage probably back up. She walked to that gate and sprayed bear bear mace or whatever at me and my and my and it's like if you walk probably that way you can still smell it cuz it got in my like into my chest or whatever. But then she walked back and sat down and she every day is but I wish I would have had her just now. She literally walked to that gate right here. >> How far were y'all standing >> right here? I say I had my baby throw the little thing down. >> So what? >> She just did that. >> She wasn't yelling at y'all first. >> Oh no. She was yelling at first just say y'all stupid [ __ ] that I don't care about that. Like Yeah. >> But that bear mace or whatever that was you just literally came to your gate and sprayed. >> Right. >> And then my daughter just let me know. Ken, come here. >> Come here. She said the other day when she was out here playing, I wasn't here. I had graduation yesterday and I was getting my stuff done. >> You get your um >> Yeah. I didn't know that this is her second time. My daughter say she did it to her while she was out playing in the pool and told her she wish she drowned and I didn't know nothing about that until I just called the police. >> She sprayed then too. >> Yeah. But I didn't know anything about that since I wasn't here and she just told me she sprayed it and I told her I didn't. >> And that was when you said >> when I got my eyebrows Thursday. >> Thursday. >> Thursday. >> So yesterday. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Hi. Huh? >> Your nose hurting out? >> Okay, go in there and get some water. >> Okay. Do you want medics just to check y'all out or? >> Well, my chest is a little bit. I don't know. Well, she should have that big old whatever. I thought the lady had a damn honestly because they say she pulled on those people over on the other side of her. So, I don't know if she's Yeah. So, I didn't know what she had. >> Y medics to come check y'all out. >> I just had some water. >> Okay. I'm going to see if I can try and smell it when I walk over here. >> Yeah. Was it like was it like a mist or was it like a spray? >> No, it was a mist and it was brown like I've never seen. >> The neighbor admitted to using the spray but claimed it was only a warning action and not [music] meant to affect anyone's wellbeing. >> Hello. >> She won't. >> It's okay. She's not going to run off, is she? >> She's a big baby. >> She's not going to run off or anything, is she? No. >> Okay. I just don't want her to run off, get hurt or something. >> No, she won't do anything. >> So, um, so what's going on today? >> Them people keep making >> Mhm. like >> they're going to come over. They're going to my ass >> and they're going to smash my face in. Cut the little kids up to come over to the fence and throw stuff at me cuz all I do is sit on my back porch and read and they sit on that back porch. >> Huh? >> Oh, just saying it's okay. >> I don't know who they are. >> Mhm. >> I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't have nothing to do with them and I don't talk to them. >> Okay. So, what happened today? >> She come over to my They they keep [laughter] cell phone thing. I don't know what they they put the little cell phone in the little kid's hand. make them come over the fence and they tell them to say stuff. Okay. And then they hold the cell phone up like this here >> to do what? >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> Trying something. And then she that woman, she keeps saying she's going to take care of me. Okay. >> What's exact what she's saying exactly? >> Huh? >> What she say exactly? >> I can't hear her. I can only see her motions and what have you. Okay. But they sit on that back porch over there and they'll come out and they'll pay something down that fence saying stuff. I ignore them. >> Mhm. >> You know, and they just back and forth, back and forth, and then finally they'll go in one door, out the back door, pat something down, and the front door out the back door shut down. And that one guy over there, I don't know, there's a whole bunch of them. There's supposed to be four people, a man, a woman, and two children. >> Mhm. >> There are 10 people living there. Okay. But then he takes paces up and down the fence line and makes all kinds of horrible noises, whistles, you know. >> Mhm. >> I have no peace here. >> Okay. Have you tried Have you tried calling us? >> Huh? >> Have you tried calling us? >> I You guys got enough to do? >> Okay. I keep thinking that maybe cuz they the lady that owns the house, I called her about and she knows and she's not going to renew the lease. >> Okay. But they can, you know, I don't know. I black people are nice. >> You know the difference between black people and I hope you do anyway. Yeah. I don't know what that is. >> Big old beetle >> something. But black people I work with black people. I like black people. I have some know some [snorts] real good black people. I don't like >> Mhm. >> There's a lot of drugs going on over there. A lot of cars coming in over there. >> Temportance, I think. >> Okay. And And that pot comes over. Okay. >> Okay. I mean, I get a second hand of all that dope they're smoking and they smoke dope. Matter of fact, Gary can tell you that across the street, a lady on the other end down there and tell you that. But I'm not going to let them me. I will use whatever means I have to. >> And what did you do today? >> I used pepper spray at them. >> Okay. You p >> Did you spray it? Did it hit them? Like what what where did you spray it from? >> From my right outside of my door. I didn't spray to hit them. I just want to let them know I have some protection. >> So, you didn't like go up to the gate and start spraying like at them and the kids or anything like that? >> One big shot of spray in the air. >> Okay. >> She explained that her actions were related to disputes and inappropriate words from both the children and their mother. However, verbal disagreements do not justify [music] using a spray. This behavior still impacts others. >> I have a taser and I will use every I can get my hands on. >> So, I just overheard while I was walking over here. They were saying something about videos. >> Huh? I overheard while I was walking over here. They were saying something about someone has video camera. >> I got lights and cameras put up. >> Okay. Do you have footage of what happened today? >> It won't be available today. I got two big rolls of films coming that I've taken pictures of them pasting up and down come calling stuff over here. >> So what what why why can't the video be seen today? >> Because not that kind. >> Oh, it's not like a electric can't like pull it up or anything. >> No. Okay. >> I don't have a computer. I got you. >> Okay. Um, so once I get those back, I have a lot of pictures of them harassing me. >> Mhm. >> Okay. I want [snorts] to go down and file charges, but I don't know their name. And I call down her and and I >> So that's that's what that's what you call us for. >> Huh? >> That's what you call us for when few weeks ago, months ago, however long has it been going on. You call us when this happens so that you don't have to do anything. She'll do it. >> I mean, it's better than not calling us and us not doing anything, right? Because at least when you call us, we at least know about it so that when we come out here for something else, we kind of know the situation because this is the first time I've been out here that I know of. >> Well, there was She called them on me before they came out. >> What happened then? >> Nothing. >> Like, no. What happened? Why Why did they Why did she call? What did she do? What did you do? >> I was sitting on my back porch reading. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And I yelled at the kids, I think, twice cuz I scream in their top of their lungs. I told them to shut up. >> They don't have to scream that way. And >> she didn't like that. No. And you know, they didn't like that one bit. So that the two girls over there, they always telling me to kiss their ass. They'll bend over, stick their ass up at me, and go, "Kiss my ass." >> Mhm. >> Okay. And that woman, she's did the same thing. Tell me to kiss her ass. They bend over, stick it up, and put their finger right there and look at me, and you can tell what they're saying. >> Mhm. >> Um, they'll get in those windows facing my house. Nobody else can see them. >> So, so >> this is my house and they'll get in those windows. They'll send those kids out to the fence and you can hear them telling them cuz the kids keeps looking back at the at the window, you know. >> So, so, so there's nothing against the law for doing that until you report it to us that it's happening over and over and over and over and over again because we're here >> because then it can come under harassment. Okay? But until you're reporting this to us, there's nothing cuz it's not that's not that's >> you have a card when you're home. >> That's not illegal. Now them doing this same stuff over and over and over again that possibly could become something that we can look into. But them just doing it and then you calling us I say people that's the freedom of speech. You know they can say whatever they want. >> My house here. Okay. I have a right to peace living in my house. >> I agree. Which is why we need it we need it documented over and over again because then it can become criminal because then it can become harassment. >> It is harassment >> but it has to be us doc we have to you have to call and document and tell us this because I need a a long like a long string of of days and and incidents of this occurring. Do you understand? Because them just you you telling me this that you know they're telling you all these things saying kiss my you could tell me that right now I can't do nothing. It's freedom of speech. I could tell you that right now you can't do nothing. It's freedom of speech, but them doing it over and over and over again could. But we need documentation of that is what I'm saying. >> Can I go down and file charges even though I don't know their name >> for what? >> For harassment. >> So we we need doc we need proof of of lots of events of this happening for that to happen is what we need. It it can't just be just from today. We need documentation a lot of events. >> Yeah. They don't like me sitting on my back porch. >> And you can do that. That's your property. You can do that all you want. >> I do. >> That's fine. Then I pay a price, too. But >> so then when they do something or they say something or they're harassing you, you document it. You call us, you get it on camera. Show us them doing that to you over and over and over again and we can work towards something being harassment. Do you get it? >> Yeah. What number do I call next time they do it? >> You can call our non-emergency line. >> That's why I ask for a card with a number on it. >> But if they're on their property, you can't stay on your property and spray bare mace or anything. >> If they're still on their property, you cannot do that cuz there's a fence between you guys. Okay, they're on their property just like you're on your property, >> right? >> So, you can't be spraying mace. Okay, so I'm I'm going to talk to him really quick. Okay, >> the testimonies from both sides were opposite, each portraying themselves as the victim, but the complainant's [music] account was supported by video evidence. >> Who was all out with you? You >> me her and my >> Okay, >> I did she say when she walked up and did it like >> it that's her favorite. Like I'm not even there. My daughter probably got 100 recordings of her. Like this is like >> Would it be if I can see one of the recordings? >> Yeah. >> And I >> What does it look like? >> Like it looked like >> Is it have a canister? >> Yeah, like a canister. >> What color is the canister? >> Black. It all looked like it was And the handle was black, too. >> Like it all looked at black and then she sprayed. I was like, I didn't know what she had. And then she held it up and sprayed it in like a big old black mist. So I was like, it must be bare mace cuz I done I done been sprayed with regular mace before. Yeah. I don't know what happened. It's uh frozen there. >> I don't know. [clears throat] Did it? It's buffering out here. I don't know why. >> Y'all don't got any cameras that would have seen. >> I don't have I don't have any cameras. I don't know if any >> I wonder if they're Ring doorbell might have caught something. I'll go talk to them. >> I hope so, cuz if it did, it been probably right here to this, right? >> Yeah. Um, let me see. >> Are you wanting to press charges? >> Yes. Okay. >> I'm sick. Like, I don't care what she say to me and my big kids, but my don't even like they didn't even know what that was until she started saying like and she still probably don't know what my It's like she says something to her every day. I even let my landlord know. I was like, this lady is a like >> that's ridiculous. >> I pay 1950 a month for rent and now I don't even like him coming out the door. >> Got to deal with this. Okay. So now maybe >> just literally came >> Okay. >> with something in her hand and it was um >> was that it? Okay. >> Yes. >> Um do y'all have any residue on your skin? >> I don't I know it's in my chest cuz I can feel it here. Like [clears throat] I can feel it. And I'm trying to find these other videos cuz I know I have more videos of this lady doing stuff. And it's barely just And then they would tell me she'll make like when they walk past she'll make like sounds like um which one is this one? >> Was there anyone else that saw it happen? >> They were all in the house. That's why I was like it was just me and and the kids. I say I don't know if they labor across the street if they have any cameras. >> Would you be willing to fill out a written a sworn written statement of the >> incident? I was going to say I don't understand. The elderly neighbors explanations [music] were insufficient to exempt her from responsibility. >> Should be the only a >> hi missah. Hi. I know you talked to him a little bit earlier. Um but I just want to talk to you real quick. My name's Deputy Kenny. Okay. I'm kind of the one doing this whole report. Okay. So, I know you already told him what kind of what's what's kind of going on between y'all. >> I can't really I don't know what's wrong with them. >> It's okay. >> They do. >> Okay. >> I mean, everybody in the neighborhood knows that there everybody's watching. >> Mhm. >> Hey, come on back on. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. It should stay down longer. Maybe if I wave at it. Uh [laughter] they're keep making to me especially those two girls and that one woman. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh for some reason I don't have I don't have nothing to do with them. I don't talk to them. I don't even can't even tell you who they are. >> Mhm. >> But I do get out and walk. I had to pick up their trash out of my yard. Bags of dirty baby diapers. >> Mhm. >> Thrown over my I don't know who did it, but they were dirty baby diapers. And that's the only baby over there that I know of. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, there's a lot going on. >> Okay. >> Um, they keep telling me how they're going to my face and they're going to take and come over and beat the hell out of me. >> When do they say that? >> Just about every time they see me on my back porch. >> Okay. >> This is my house. >> I gota >> I have a right to protect myself. >> Sure. >> And I will use every what means I have to do that with. >> I gotcha. All right. So, >> and if they're in be if if they get hit with something, that's their problem. >> I'm just going to read this to you real quick. Um, just cuz I have to read you before I keep talking to you. Okay. Do you understand each of these rights? >> No, not really. >> Do you want me to read them again? >> No. >> Okay. All right, Miss Ayah. >> Cuz I haven't done anything except live in my house. >> Yes, ma'am. I understand. Though, I do need you to put your hands behind your back. Okay. >> No, you don't do that to me. >> Ma'am, please. Ma'am, don't don't fight us. Ma'am, I'll move them to the front. >> What are you asking me for? >> Okay. It's going to be simple battery. Okay. >> No, I haven't touched anybody. >> I got you. I need you to put your hands behind your back. >> No. >> I got to take care of this animal. >> Is there anybody that we can call for you? >> No. >> Okay. So, >> well, we'll take care of the dog. We'll let him inside. >> I'll put him inside. >> What are you going to do? >> I'm going to let your dog inside. >> No, but what what are you trying to do with me? >> You're going to Mar County >> for what? >> For a simple battery. I >> I haven't touched anybody. >> I need you to put your hands behind your back. Miss Aya. >> Ma'am, don't make this difficult. >> Don't pull. >> I got arthritis in my shoulder. >> Yes, ma'am. Once I get to >> Yep. So, don't fight us. And it just We'll get to the problem. >> I don't understand what you're trying to do here. I haven't done a damn thing. >> I got you. >> Because the suspect was a senior, [music] police handled the situation carefully, ensuring both her health, safety, and her legal rights. talking. >> What's your dog's name? >> Lady. >> Lady. >> Lady. >> Lady. Come on. Lady. >> I can't leave my house with my doors and stuff. >> Okay. So, where's your keys? >> I got to go get them. >> We'll get them for you. We can't. >> So, you're not you're not going back in there to get them. Okay. >> You give me your light real quick so I can double lock this. We're good. >> So, so where where are they? Would you like me to lock it? >> If you do, I can't get back in. >> I'm going to bring the keys with us. >> We'll take them out and we'll go with you. Yeah, you're going to have the keys. I'm not going to lock them and keep them in there. >> It's It's Would you like me to lock it or No. >> Okay. Can I call somebody? >> We'll figure that We'll figure that out in a minute. Who are you trying to call? >> My grandson. >> Yeah, we'll we'll work on that. >> Do you know Do you know his phone number? >> Not right off the top of my head. >> Where's your phone? >> So So where's your phone? Do you want us to Do you want us to grab it and bring it with you? >> No. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now, wait a minute. >> We're not stalling. I need you to walk to my car. Come on. We grab You want them to see you see see you do this, don't you? >> No, I want you to get in my vehicle. >> I got to go get my keys or I can't get back in my house. >> Get your keys. I'm not let I just asked you if I could go get them and you told me no. You're not going back in >> cuz we don't know what you might grab. You might grab that uh bear spray or mace. >> Let's go. >> We're trying to get a container. >> We're going to walk to that front car. Okay. >> What? >> We're going to walk to that front car with my light on. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is there anything else in your pocket? >> Nope. >> Okay. I'm just going to check your real quick. Okay. >> Do you have more of those or is that one really? >> All right. >> And it lasted for a year. >> Okay. >> Go take a seat right there. >> Oh, I have a pinch nerve in my low back. I have arthritis in both >> here. Let me move the cuffs to your front. I have um arthritis in my upper back. >> Is um did that over answer? >> Yeah. >> Is is that your friend? >> Okay. >> Is he coming out? >> No. >> Is it okay if I take that pain patch to him and have him hold it until you get back? Cuz they're they're they're not going to want this in the jail just in case it's some kind of narcotic. you might get into trouble and I don't want that to happen. >> Yeah, you can actually hold it for me. >> Okay. So, I'm going to take it over there so I don't have to go back into your home. Okay. What's his name? What's his name? >> Gary. >> Gary. What's your phone number, ma'am? All right. Go ahead. Go ahead and move your foot in, please. >> Using a spray on others, regardless [music] of the reason, is against the law. She was arrested on three counts of secondderee and released [music] on a $6,000 bond on June 1st, 2025. The story is not just a neighborhood disagreement. It also reflects [music] misunderstandings, fear, and the limits of acceptable behavior in society. A small action, if it crosses the line of reason [music] and respect, can lead to serious consequences. >> The baby, the baby, the baby, the baby, the baby. You have a baby. You have a baby. Watch out. >> In this crowd, police remained focused on protecting the children while some parents unintentionally put their own safety at risk. On May 8th, 2025, federal agents arrived in the neighborhood after receiving reports of an unauthorized gathering. However, they were immediately confronted by dozens of residents requesting proper warrants and expressing their opposition. Among the crowd, many children and teenagers were caught in the tense situation, raising concerns about their well-being. Stop jurisdiction to take anyone. There you go. [music] >> We do not have a warrant. We do not have a voice. How about you? Are you supporting [music] her? >> Stop touching me. Stop touching me. >> This is her. >> You're going to break her. >> Well, then you stop him. He doesn't have a warranty. You know, everybody's going to take him. >> Why are you allowing it? >> What are you doing? >> I need you to call Chief Savia. No real. >> Don't hit the car. Whoa. Whoa. You got to get the car. Get it out of the road. The car. >> Can you do a three-point turn? Back up into the driveway and go that way. >> They do not have a point. >> Ma'am, don't you want to stay with your baby? Cuz they're going to arrest you and they have the right to investigation. >> That doesn't help. >> Where's the warrant? >> Why are you guys helping them? They don't have a warrant. >> Who has the warrant? >> Are you a father? >> Go away. Go away. Go away. >> You show up to help. >> The unit is helping AN >> Everybody move. Everybody move. >> We're driving through. >> Someone's in it. Someone in it. Pass the line. Swallow the line. >> Move the child away from the vehicle, please. >> You're helping them. >> Your job is to protect the community and you're not DOING WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? We're asking for it. >> We need to keep everybody alive. >> You just step away. >> Stay away from the vehicle, Chris. >> That's it. That's all I'm asking you to do. Thank you. You're on camera, too, my friend. All right. >> You just said they have one. >> They still need a warning. Will, just keep that road clear right there. Make sure we have a clear path. >> I need somebody down there cuz cars keep coming up to block it. No, don't block the car. Keep the road clear. >> They waited till she came out of the house and got into the car. They don't have a warrant. >> Why don't you go somewhere else? >> I live here. >> Here. Go to your house. >> No. Real house. >> You think you're living helping people? That's your job. >> Is she with you or no? No, she's not. She won't move either. >> Ma'am, please step away from the vehicle. >> Keep the cars coming. >> Tony, pull that car up here. >> I'm going to bring my cruiser up. Sergeant wants a cruiser. >> Go. The situation became increasingly difficult to manage, requiring police to step in and guide several individuals. >> This is the Wister Police Department. This is an unlawful assembly. I'm ordering you to disperse right now or you're subject to arrest. >> Watch out. Car's moving. >> You're going to GET Watch over here. >> This is unlawful assembly. >> You disperse right now. >> Get that cruiser out of here. >> There's no warrant. >> You guys cannot do that. Sir, >> you know this. THEY DON'T HAVE A WARRANT. >> They're kidnapping a mine. Get out of the way. >> Hold on. Hold on. Back up. Back up. Get out of the street. Back away. Get away from the vehicle. Back away. Back away. >> Back away from the cops. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. >> Stop. Stop. Stop. You're going to get Stop. >> STOP. MA'AM, STOP. [screaming] STOP. STOP. You're on. >> Stop right there. >> Bring your arm. Use your arm. [screaming] I got her arms. >> Back up. Back up. Back up. What was in that water? >> Water. >> The baby was drinking it. >> We have no idea what you're spraying on. >> I understand disturbing. She sprayed me in the face with water. >> It was water. Touch me. YOU SHOULD BE POLLUTING WITH >> You don't need to tighten my arm up. I'm not going anywhere. >> I'm not. You're turning to me. Turn this. >> But I'm trying to get in the shade. >> Listen, look at what we have going on here. I'm making sure everybody's safe here. over here because while I was holding a baby bottle, something sprayed out of it onto a cop. >> Yes, I know. I know it. I know it is. And so are you. >> Go ahead. YOU GOT TO BACK UP. BACK UP. BACK UP. Back up. Back up. BACK UP. >> CAN I PLEASE BACK UP? BACK UP. BACK UP. BACK UP. BACK UP. BACK UP. You're intersecting. Why are you letting this happen? >> We need to back up. >> I got one. >> Among them was a young woman holding an infant. This event was no longer a typical gathering. It involved circumstances that created stress and challenges for children with a high likelihood of discomfort or distress from the tension. >> Stay away from the vehicle. >> Stay away from the vehicle. Stay away from the vehicle. Stay away from the vehicle. Watch your child. Watch your child. Watch your child. >> Watch your child. Your child. >> Watch your child. >> Watch your child. >> Ma'am, watch your child. >> Back up. >> GET BACK. GET BACK NOW. GET BACK. >> GET BACK. The baby. The baby. The baby. The baby. The baby. You have a baby. You have a baby. Watch out. You have a baby. You have a baby. It's all right. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Give me the baby then. You need to relax. Okay. Get some water. Get some water. Water. Water. Water. >> You need to remove yourself from the situation with the baby. Can you go over to the wall and and sit down, please? >> Miss you're making it worse. This is >> I understand. But we will get to the bottom of it. Right now, you have a child in your hands. Okay? And it is not safe. I am not going to allow you to put that child in danger. You have a child with you. You have a child with you. >> Remember that. >> You're going to be all right. Here, let's let's get the baby out of the sun. Give the baby a little protection from the sun. >> Don't cooperate. >> Stay here, please. Stay here. >> You have a child and it's dangerous over there. >> Stay here. Please stay here. No, I know. Stop getting based on this woman and her child. You're making it work. >> My job is public safety and I am ensuring that the woman and her child is being safe. Sorry. You're making it work. I'm getting this bottle for the baby. Okay. I'll be right there. We've taken this girl's mother, the grandmother of this baby, right before Mother's Day. dehumanizing kidnapping. >> They showed nothing. They waited till she came out of the house so that they could arrest her cuz they don't have a warrant. >> Yep. ATF's on their way out of here. Keep going. Don't stop. Mike Higgins, can you stay with that car? We're going to need more THAN ONE WAGON. >> GUYS, BACK UP. PLEASE BACK UP. >> Who's this guy? Who's this guy? [laughter] Guys, back up. Back up. I'll touch over here. Back over here, please. All right. I'll touch over here. Come on. I'll touch right now. Come on. I JUST WANT HER NAME. >> YEP. We have to back up, please. >> I just want her name and number. That's all I need. You have to back up. >> You can get her name afterwards. You need to back up. >> She's under arrest right now. You need to back up, please. You need to back up, please. You can get any information you want afterwards. You need to back up, please. You need to back up, please. >> I'm just asking you to back up, please. It's a simple request. Ask I'm asking for your back. >> I need to know WHY SHE'S BEING ARRESTED. >> WHY SHOULD SHE BE ARRESTED? >> You should have helped her. >> You could do something. >> This is who you're supposed to win today. I don't think no whatsoever. Women. Women without dancing in front OF THIS. QUIT TRAINING AND YOUR STUPID COSPLAY GEAR. You're going to sleep good tonight. YOU'RE GOING TO SLEEP REAL GOOD TONIGHT. You're going to hug your mom ON SUNDAY. SHE'S NOT. >> Just get him out of this area. >> A 14year-old GIRL TO THE GROUND because her mother's being in front of her. She was trying to help her mother. >> Please let her go. Let her go. >> She hasn't done anything. She's traumatized. >> Let her go. >> Back up. Back up. You can't be up on the stage. Back up. >> She's my constituent. >> Okay. Well, you can go to the station when she gets your bail. Okay. >> She's got nothing. What are you What are you doing? WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING HER? >> WHY ARE YOU ARRESTING HER? >> COUNSELOR. You back up. BACK AWAY. YOU BETTER BACK AWAY. >> Are you back away? Get your hands off of her. Back up. >> Absolutely not. >> Please relax. I I want >> Okay, please calm down. >> HOW DO I CALM DOWN THERE? SHE'S just a mom. >> Well, I don't know. >> You have a small baby. You have a small baby, too. >> I understand that. We're not trying We're not trying to arrest a small baby. >> They're not helping. >> After some time, the situation gradually came under control. >> You need to back up. >> You need to back up. >> I'm saying that I'm a Portuguese speaker. >> Asking you a simple request. A simple request. I'm asking for her name and number because I'm a Portuguese speaker. That's why I want to ask her. >> She's under arrest. She's under arrest. >> That's why I want her name. >> You can go down to the station and get that. >> So, she'll be aware of what station? >> What's the police station? >> The main station. And I will be allowed to see her. >> I don't know about that. We don't give out anybody's information. There's some >> I know I'm not asking you. >> She will give it to me. Excuse me, ma'am. >> However, some individuals continued to escalate tensions. >> Officer Carter, she hasn't done anything. >> I don't I didn't see what she did there. >> She She's a traumatized parent. You're a parent of a young child. >> I understand that. Okay. This is a contentious situation. I understand. >> Why are you arresting a woman? >> She didn't do anything. You can't arrest people without >> It's all on camera. All on camera. >> Yes, it is. Okay, good. >> Oh, hey Simone. You going to do anything about the you saw earlier today? Oh, I'm sorry. You were just there with him and you look like I Sorry. You guys all look the same. I'm so sorry. >> Oh, so you're generalizing us, huh? >> Well, actually okay, David with Simone for a different time. >> You're generalizing us, huh, David? They all look the same, huh? >> Okay. Okay, David. Yep. >> Generalizing us at a boy. >> Well, with all due respect, Mr. Police Department has identif the same. >> No, we're not. >> Good question. What do you What do you represent? How are we supposed to come here? >> No. Just >> stay back right here. >> Is there a warrant? There's no warrant. >> Ice had a warrant. You saw the warrant. >> I didn't see the warrant. You see how to cop here for the >> supposed to be helping our citizen. Not ICE. >> You don't I'm hearing nobody. There's no law. So maybe you can talk to ICE. >> You can call ICE and find out what's going on. >> Are you proud of yourself? >> Yeah. Sitting with the cup. Yeah. Disgusting. The >> way you treat people. >> How did I treat a institution? Do you see me? Do you know me? >> I know all of you. You're all pigs. >> All the same. >> Yeah, you're pig. >> You're doing your job, aren't you? >> For a couple bad. >> You're doing your job. >> For a couple bad for a couple what? >> For a couple bad. [laughter] >> Several women present at the incident were later subject to legal measures just days before Mother's Day. >> Uh, we have multiple people under arrest. A couple city councilors down here got themselves involved pretty in depth. Ma'am, I'm going to I'm going to ask you Listen, okay? If you go over there, you're going to get locked up. >> Go ahead and me up then. >> Okay, council. We're not going to get back involved in that. >> She doesn't get special privileges because she's a city council. Correct. >> Treatment. >> Okay. We're not doing I'm the boss. I'm the boss. I'm the boss. Come talk to me. >> I need that lady. >> No, we're stopping here. No one's going past this point. I will talk to you about over here if you like. We're not going that way. We're not I will let you take it out. All right. >> Can we just listen? No, that's not how it works. We don't There obviously was a reason if an officer if an officer put her in handcuffs, there was a reason. We don't unlawfully arrest people. >> It's not unlawfully arrested. Happens all the time that someone gets unlawfully arrested. >> Yeah. Let's not pretend. Okay. I've been around with long enough. >> Okay. In the La La Land you live in. >> All right. We live in your La. >> Well, fair enough. We'll both live in our own La La Lands. If you don't have a badge, you're not going past here. All right. >> You can't walk. >> We're dealing with a bunch of stuff down there. All right. No one's going down there. Per the command staff, nobody is passing this point. Okay. >> Nobody is passing this point until we got everything under control for safety reasons. Nobody there is down there. Yeah. Right now there is. So nobody's Yep. >> Can you at least tell us where it is? >> I'm way above my pay grade. >> We can go on that side, right? >> Keeping everybody here until everything gets figured out down there. Okay. Is that okay? >> I'm telling you right now, if you go listen, I know you're playing a game. If you go listen, you're asking questions and I'm trying to answer you and then you're talking over. I'm not playing a game >> right now. Everyone is staying here until we get everything figured out down there. All right. There's a whole another thing going on down there right now. So, for your safety and our safety, everyone's staying here. >> Oh, wait. Where you going now? You got to turn around. I'm sorry. >> He just let me through. >> He just let you through. Okay. Who let you through? >> That guy right there. Just I got to get to the top of the street. >> You got to turn around. You must He must have been in his cruiser. He didn't tell you to go through. >> The guy standing right there. >> Okay. Back up. I'll help you back up. Okay. That way, that way. That way. Left. Go, go, go, go. Let's go. Go left. >> Maybe you should watch where you're pointing people. What is your Can you get out of the way? Can you get out of the way? We can just car through here. Let's go. Let's go. But just get out of the way. >> Yeah, just get out of the way. >> Ma'am, back up. Back up. Back up. >> I'm asking her. Doesn't matter. Back up. >> I'm asking her. >> I am not trying to interfere. I know there's been a lot. She's going to be at the main police station. >> I don't know. I don't know if she's getting arrested by Worcester or by ICE. Let me find out for you. Tana, is she detained by us or ICE? >> Do you know? By us. So, where are you? So, she's going to go to the Worcester police station. >> She gets a phone call when she gets there. Okay. She >> I believe has been detained by ICE. That I don't know. >> Sister and baby, I was trying to figure out if they're still okay. >> Okay. So, that I don't know about. She's going to our station. She gets a phone call. She'll get to take her phone. She can make the phone call from her phone. So, she doesn't need to memorize any numbers or anything like that. Okay. They're going to process her. They do fingerprinting. They check her pockets and stuff just to make sure she has no weapons or anything dangerous. And then she'll everything else will happen after that. I don't know what she's being arrested for, so I don't know if she's being eligible for bail because she threw herself in the way. >> So, she'll probably be eligible for bail. Um, and they'll they'll give you a bail time when she gets there. >> It's disgusting. How are you guys going to repair this? >> Not once did you guys ask for any type of Not once did you try to see what was going on. You guys are here for us, >> not for ice. The whole neighborhood was out. You guys had a chance to do something and you guys chose not to. You chose not to. You think people are going to help you guys now? These faces, take the person. >> Take it off. Get the out of here. Go home. >> The crowd was eventually dispersed and some individuals began receiving notifications about the next legal steps. >> I got dowed to whatever they threw on me. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. The one with the glasses when I was helping Sea out. [clears throat] >> Hopefully it was water, right? You don't feel a burn or anything, right? No, it's on the right side of my face. Joe saw it. >> The police started brutalizing us, trying to rip them out of our and then they continued to do it down the road despite um not having >> um I consider you >> I don't have somebody. >> I do. >> No, I was your name >> Ashley Spring. Ashley Spring. >> Yes. >> Why are you being arrested? >> Um they just told me I don't remember. >> What was happening here today? Um best plan the situation was brought. ICE was here. The community gathered. Um we found out that they didn't have a warrant. They didn't have not just a judicial warrant. They didn't have a warrant at all. They wouldn't present it. And the community uh decided that um these women were free to go and the women decided to go and exercise their right to leave because they were not being detained. At that point, the police continued to try to brutalize them to rip the baby out of the mother's arms, 4 week old baby it looks like. Um and the community tried to intervene and help them. Okay, let's go. >> All right. Thank you. >> This is I wasn't calling you Rick. >> Just ma'am. What's your real quick? Yeah. Just give him a space. So, we want EA to be able to do their thing. >> Does he speak Portuguese? >> He speaks Spanish. >> Does she have prior problems with delay? >> What? How? Who are you to her? >> I just speak some Portuguese. I just came to see if I can help. >> She'll still be in custody. She'll be cuffed and shackled to the bed and everything, but she'll get medical care if she decides she needs it. >> She said she's a minor, so >> Okay. Go and talk to her family and everything, too. We'll see. >> She said that ice took the phone. >> Does she know the number for someone that she would want to call? >> That when the ambulance gets here, we're going to ask her more questions about her medical history. Don't want to do it with the cameras. I don't want to violate her privacy asking her medical questions in front of everybody. Will you be able to translate in the back of the emails for a few moments to get that medical history from her? Are there any ICE agents left here? They all left. >> They all left. >> Can you tell me whether police took her? >> Was she taken by ICE? >> That's what I'm asking. I know she was brought into custody. I don't know whether it was your department. I don't know whether it's ICE. She's 17. >> Okay. So, she's going to go to the Worester Police Station. >> You're telling me she was taken into custody by Worcester police? That was information you didn't have 20 seconds ago. I'm confused. You're positive. She was taken into custody by Worcester police. >> I'm trying to help you. Okay. I'm asking you about this. >> Yes, it was it was with the police that took the 17-year-old into custody. Yes. >> LT, we have them all the way at the end of the street at Stafford. >> I think we have two in custody. >> Can we hold her in one of ourselves here or time being or or where we want to like either book or a uh PC? >> That's going to be a decision up for services, but let's get them to the station where they can be secure and then we'll work from there. In the end, a 17-year-old girl was charged with reckless endangerment of a child, resisting arrest, disturbing [music] the peace, and disorderly conduct. Additionally, a 38-year-old mother faced legal responsibility with charges of assault and battery on a police officer, assault with a and interfering with police. Every action, whether by citizens [music] or law enforcement, must prioritize safety and human dignity while adhering to the law to prevent regrettable outcomes. Just talking to you for 10 minutes, I can tell you're very, very irresponsible." >> This statement sums up all the poor decisions. The older sister let her 16-year-old sibling drive while she was on probation and also placed two young children in a vehicle that was not fully prepared for their safety. On the afternoon of July 6th, 2024, traffic patrol officers stopped a car driven by two sisters, one 16 years old without a license, and her 21-year-old sister who was on probation. The vehicle also contained two young children, aged 1 and three, who were not properly secured in appropriate seats. Police approached and asked the adults to present their identification. >> Hello. Are you Lord? >> Oh, your license is not good. >> No, no English. >> Oh, okay. So, why you look why you looking around? You don't know what I'm saying? >> Do you know? >> Hi. Do is your license good? Do you have an ID card? Can I see it? Hi. So, why are you driving with no license? You know you can go to jail, right? Have you ever been stopped for this before? So, you know you can go to jail and you're still doing it, huh? Whose kids? Whose baby is this? Why is he in the front seat? He's too little. Give me a car seat, but he's not in it. So now she's going to get a ticket for that cuz she's the driver. So that's on you. And how you guys going to get home? Cuz you guys can't drive. Huh? What county is that? Huh? St. Lucy. Yeah. Can you do me a favor? Can you put him in the car seat, please? Hi. Let me see your ID, registration, insurance, any guns, any anything crazy in here? You guys have somebody you can call to come get you? Might got to call an Uber cuz I might have to tell the car. No ID, no nothing. >> What's your name? Oh my days. And you and you told her and you told her to drive. >> Yeah, but you permitted an unauthorized uh user to to drive this car. So you committed two crimes now. 214. So you've you committed a crime by allowing her to drive and she's committing a crime by driving. Both of you can go to jail right now. >> That's not good, right? Do you have an ID card? Like you actually have an ID is by the state. >> All right. Can I have the vehicle paperwork, please? >> All right. While y'all get that, I'll be right back. >> You're going to get a citation for permitting an unauthorized user to drive. Criminal citation. You're going to get a court date. The only reason cuz I will take you to jail. The only reason I'm not is cuz you got babies in here. It's the only reason. If not, you've been coming with me. You're going to sign it. 30 days court date information. Don't show the court. Warrant for your arrest. Sure you know how that goes. You've been to court before. Give me your ID. be right back. >> The adult accompanying them, the young driver's older sister, was at the center of the issue. Allowing an unqualified driver to operate the vehicle violated probation and led to multiple other legal concerns. >> Whoa. >> Hey. Hey, step out. She's on probation. >> Go ahead and leave that phone in there for now. Okay. >> All righty. Come over here. You're being detained for now. It's in April. So like now 12 months. >> Is that a violation to get arrested for? >> Yeah. Did we get arrest any? You can't commit any criminal crime. You can't commit any crime probation order. They violated and they take all the way in. >> You know that. >> Not good, girl. Not good. >> Where were you going? Where were you coming from? Like where you going? from >> you're detained right now. So, we're going to read your rights. All right. Just so you're aware of that one. You have the right to remain silent. Stop your request. Understand these rights. >> Okay. You still live in Fort Pierce. Where'd you guys go? >> Jacksonville >> for to go see my aunt. Did >> you see your aunt? >> Yeah. >> How long are we up there for? >> For like this morning. >> Just this morning. You driving back already? >> Yeah. Because she just had came from another country. >> Where at? Where' she come from? >> Honduras. Okay. Is her first time America ever or she's just visiting? >> No, the first time. >> Okay. >> Why is she driving? >> Cuz like I said, she was helping me, you know, cuz like the babies were like in the back crying and like I needed to go tend them, you know. >> Yeah. Did you drive there first or or she drive there and back both both times? >> No, she was helping me the whole time. >> So, she drove both there and drive back. Okay. And she's 16. She's never been arrested before. >> No. >> Okay. Has she ever been pulled over for driving without a license? And you're how old? 21. >> You're a her sister? >> Yeah. >> So, you're responsible for her essentially and you know a little more than her. Why are you putting her in her this? Why are you putting her in this position? >> I actually don't know. You know, desperation, I guess. >> You not have family, friends, anything other that has a license? >> No. >> Not a single person with that has a license? >> Only my mom and she's not here. >> Where is she at? >> She's working actually out of like the state. >> So, you don't have a single friend that has a license? >> No. >> Okay. So, when did your mom come back? >> She's probably coming back >> this week. I don't know. Maybe >> you could you couldn't wait till then to go see your aunt that just came. >> Sorry. >> You don't apologize to me. This is on you. And now you're putting your sister in position where she can go to jail. Not saying she going to go to jail, but I don't Does she even know that? It's rustful. >> She doesn't really know anything. She's just young. >> Exactly. She didn't know better. Now you put her in this spot. You know what I mean? I'm trying to up over it, but it's not right. Not right at all. >> I understand, but can I talk to my mom? >> Police expressed concern. [music] You are not properly prepared. What prompted such a strong reaction from law enforcement? >> Get your information officer's phone number? >> Yes. >> Did they not tell you that if you break the rules, you violate your probation? >> They did tell me, but I didn't know, you know, over there for years. I know like once I did it and then they just gave me a ticket but it didn't violate my police. >> Does your bridge officer know you you left the county? >> No, she doesn't. Cuz she just told me I can go back and forth but if I be able to stay out of like out of this >> back and forth where? >> Like I can drive back. I want to stay at the county. >> Okay. >> Um ask you something. >> You don't anyone in your life that has a license. >> So who's going to come get the kids? I don't I don't know exactly why. >> Have you guys talked to anyone that can come get you guys yet? >> I've talked to somebody but they don't have a license. >> Can you Are they headed here though? They headed here though at least. >> Password so we can call your probation officer. >> 1864. >> Are they headed this way though? >> Who? >> Whoever you contacted about >> working. >> Sorry. I don't have her phone number, but I do have the card where I can call her. >> Where's the card at? >> In my car. >> Where? >> In the front seat. You can search it up on Google. >> Like the the >> You're very just talking to you for 10 minutes. I could tell you're very very irresponsible. You don't have your probation officer saved in your phone to at least explain situations like this. You're allowing your young sister to She can go to jail. You know that, right? Who Whose fault would that be? >> All right. All right. We'll rock and roll. >> Whatever. It doesn't matter. You're on probation, so you're back here. Do you have anything on you? >> No, but can I call my mom for my kids? >> Yeah, she's going to call. You should have thought about that before you broke the law and dela 312 status check. >> Anything stuffed anywhere? >> You have anything on you? >> No. >> What's in what's that? Is that just your your Okay. >> Are you primary or 212? >> I'm primary. >> You have a wallet? >> Yes. >> Where is it? >> Where in the car? Um, >> the 16-year-old sister was also affected by her siblings decision. When police approached the vehicle, they identified additional safety and preparedness issues. >> Okay. So, you're 16, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What grade are you in? 11th. Okay. Have you ever been pulled over before? Have you ever Do you drive often? Like, how often do you drive? >> I only drive myself or, you know, something like around the city. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a permit at least? >> Um, I'm getting my permit. I already did the thing. I just can't. >> Do you have one scheduled? >> Uh, yeah. >> When's it scheduled for? >> Do you happen to smoke at all? Did your sister smoke? Did any of you guys smoke in the vehicle? Do you know if there's any in the vehicle right now? Okay. So, would there be a particular reason why I'm smelling it? >> Okay. I feel like I smell 31. I don't I don't tripping. Okay. Anyways, so did you know that it's an arrestable offense to drive without a license? You didn't know that? >> You told me you knew. >> No, I didn't. >> She's a liar. Apparently, your mom's oring an Uber. Okay. >> Um I don't think they're going to pick up from the highway. So, I had to like dislocate that cuz it's has the pickup point right here in the P section. Not yet. Charger for I don't know who to go to. This car seat's not built in. >> Go to the driver. He was sitting in the front seat. I had to tell her to melt him in. >> But this car seat is not attached to anything. Look. >> I'll charge the driver. I can only charge the driver. >> Charge him. What? The back seat. Her mother. What the heck is in this cup? Could be Dave on there. >> She was making milk. >> Yeah, but it would be in the bottle, not at Starbucks. >> You want your bottle? [crying] [crying] [screaming] [crying] >> [crying] >> To ensure everyone's well-being, officers arranged transportation to take the younger sister and the two children home safely. >> That's ridiculous. >> One in the front and then a baby and I don't know how old he is. Undelted. a 16-year-old ride. >> They'll still pick it up here. It's still showing over there. >> Did it just change now or what it say? >> Like where the point where they pick it up. Where they pick it up from? It's always over there. I don't think they do this island. >> He said he said it. I don't know. She messed it up. They changed the move the location. >> Yeah, I probably have to call them. Um yeah, call an um call an Uber. Can you do that? Can you call an Uber? Yeah, call an Uber. That way at least you guys can can take them home and blah blah blah. But car's getting towed and you're lucky you're not going to jail. The 21-year-old sister faced multiple charges including violation of probation, two counts of child m contributing to the delinquency of a minor and allowing an unauthorized minor to operate a vehicle. Under Florida law, she could face up to 11 years in prison. Before making decisions, it is always essential to ensure a licensed driver, a well-prepared vehicle, and clear communication. Lack of preparation can lead to unsafe [music] situations and legal complications. Do you think 5 minutes is safe? In reality, this child had been in the car for nearly 20 minutes in almost 90° Fahrenheit heat. Fortunately, a passerby noticed in time and intervened. >> So, what time did you notice? What time did you hear the baby? I guess >> I was standing out there for a good 20 minutes. On the afternoon of July 5th, 2024, Akran, Ohio, police received a call from a passerby, reporting four children left in a parked car with the engine off and no air conditioning outside a Ross dress for less store. This prompted officers to quickly arrive on scene to ensure the children's well-being and clarify the situation with their mother. >> How old is she? >> 7 months. >> You're by yourself? >> Yeah. >> You weren't right here. >> I heard a scream. That's why I came out the door. I was trying to exchange this. >> Okay. Hey, you left all your infant kids in the car by themselves with this one. Looks like almost a newborn. >> No, she >> But you were in the store for more than 5 minutes. I know that. >> No, I was actually right by the door. Then I heard a sign. >> That's not possible. Ma'am, do you have your ID on you? I do. >> Why is she crying? >> Probably. >> Why don't I have the ambulance come take a look at her? >> Hi, Hi boss. How are you? It's awfully hot in this car, too. How long were you in the store? >> I was literally 5 minutes. I kid you not. >> We got the call and I came from the opposite side of the city. So it if I wouldn't have ran lights and siren cuz I was told there was a baby screaming in the car. Didn't know all the other children were in the car as well. Okay. Is well more than 5 minutes. Okay. All I got to do is look at co. Why would you all your kids vulnerable to being an infant in your child seat with no >> seat is right here. I'm sorry. I thought I could run right in. I didn't know the line was that long. >> Then when I came out they were eating. I didn't know she was broke. This was really >> Okay. Do you want the squad to come take a look at her? Make sure she's okay. >> Cuz she normally does this. If you look at her face, she always [clears throat] clip her nails. >> Hi, baby. What happened? Huh? Did you fall down? Go boom. Well, let's just do it for some general purposes since it's so hot. Okay. How old is she? >> She's eight months. >> And what's her name? >> Christy Lynch. Okay. Can you get the other children's names real quick? I'll be right back. >> Witnesses confirmed that they had stood near the car for over 20 minutes without seeing the mother appear. >> Right. Mom's showed up. She's holding the baby, but due to the heat, uh, wanted the squad to come check the baby out. It's got some on it. Hi. So, what time did you notice? What time did you hear the baby? I guess >> I was standing out there for a good 20 minutes. >> I thought so. >> As long as I was on phone with 911. >> Okay. That's how long I was. >> Do you have your ID with you? You can jot down your info real quick cuz I know it took us probably five minutes to get here. >> The baby was unconsolable. It's hard. >> Well, there was three other kids in the car, too. >> Oh, I see another two. >> Well, yeah, I heard as soon as I rolled up, I was like, "Oh my goodness." >> In fact, [music] the time the mother was away may have been longer than initially reported. >> He's just going to go in the store and check. It's I would suggest not. You know, if you saw the line like that, probably best to come back out here. I get it. With four kids, it's a handful. >> It is. And I thought they were eating. It was honestly an honest mistake. Should I caught her? I had to go get them cuz I'm going to jail. >> I would wait on that. He's just going to go check. I think the other concern was just that she's so young and you know it's not >> How old are they? What? >> Uh this is nice. >> Yeah. You know, I think it's a different story when you got a just a baby in here. >> I'm sorry. When I went in, she was sleeping. They were eating. >> Was she in the car seat here? >> She was. And they took her out. They know how to take her out. >> I'm sorry. I was just trying to get a refund or something. >> I got you. >> What's your birthday? What's that? I'mma put my phone in. >> Okay. Yep. >> So, did you hear when you were coming in? >> I was coming out of Burlington and I just heard screaming. So, I'm looking around to see where it was coming from. That's when I realized there was kids in a vehicle with no, you know, a dog. So, call. >> Okay. Appreciate you calling us, letting us know. Take it from here outside. >> Yeah. We're That's why I had the squad. They're gone the way. They're going to check the baby and all the other kids cuz I mean there's another child all the way in the back and there's not a lot of air moving there. So, yeah. Appreciate you. >> Appreciate you guys. >> Was the Was the baby still in the car not in mother's hands when you guys got here? >> Oh yeah. >> What's the call time? >> I don't remember. >> You got the call time game. >> I don't want to jump in your car. >> She didn't want you jumping in her car. >> Um, are they able to bring up any video? >> Cuz I had a um I had a report like this uh 2 years ago in Acme and I was like I just followed up on it the next day, watched the video. The child was in the car for 30 minutes by themselves. A baby car. And the car, it wasn't an overheating situation, but the car was running and unlocked. And the mom was in the store for 30 minutes and an infant by themselves >> there. They had a couple windows down, but not all of them. The car wasn't even running. >> Yeah. No, it's extremely hot out here. That child doesn't look like it's obvious. >> No, that's why when I want to check you around and watch the video, see that? Do you guys want to read that while I go watch the video? Read that or see why I watch the video. >> Yeah. To verify, police entered the store and reviewed security footage, determining that the child may have been in the car for nearly half an hour. >> All right, you ready for this? >> Yes. >> She She pulls in at 3:28 p.m. She gets out at 3:31 p.m., but she has the baby with her. Okay. >> So, she's got a 5-year-old, a 6-year-old, and 8-year-old in the hot car, not running. She returns to the car at 4:07 p.m. and puts the baby back. And then she finally PD arrives on scene with her walking to the car at 4:33. From the time that she arrived there 3:31 to 4. It's it's just yeah an hour for the older kids and it was what is that 26 minutes for the baby. >> I'd say we're we're definitely in there. >> What's the degree of offenses? >> She looked it up. I didn't catch that. It's not that high. I think it's bondable. >> Yeah. I think she's on the phone with uh dad, but he's in Cleveland. She's on the phone with somebody, but I think um Gamble loaned her a phone and we didn't get an ETA on his arrival. But the newer car running with AC on and watch or how about not get somebody to watch him for five for half an hour. >> See what offense it is and that position. It's going to be a >> he's M1. >> Okay, that's what I thought. So, she'll bond out. It's going to be in and out. Who's the primary? you or >> he said he's going to take it. >> Okay. I think she pretty much gathers they're going to go cuz when I walked him back to the car, you were still in the car. The daughter's like, "Don't take my mom to jail." >> Uh Tori going to get her bill. >> Are you talking to him? Are you talking to your uh >> my sister? Um whichever one get here first. >> Where's she coming from? >> Okay. She'll probably get here before him if he's >> I hope. >> If he's coming from Cleveland, then with traffic at 5:00 on a Friday. Oh, you got charged. You got juice. >> Oh, cool. Is that your sister? [clears throat] >> She trying to make arrangements. >> Yeah. Trying to go over sister. >> Due to this lapse in supervision, the mother faced legal followup. >> Have your friends live close. >> Hey, how close is you? >> Okay. Okay. Um, I need somebody to get the kids. I think they about to take him to jail for sure. >> Okay. >> Is he getting off of How Avenue? >> He said he passing route eight. I know. I call her. She ain't answer. >> Let me call her again. >> If he's on route Is he on route eight? >> He said he passing route eight. >> How you passing route eight? Is he northbound, southbound? >> Do you know if you northbound or southbound? >> Do you know if you north? >> Oh, so he's coming north. If you if you get off of How Road, we're right up here at the Plaza at Ross. >> Yeah, I know where you are. >> Okay, >> I'm going to call Dor. >> All right. You're not that you're not you're not you're not that far away. >> Okay. >> Well, we'll just wait on you. He's he's passing Glenn Avenue. [crying and screaming] He's coming northbound. So, he's he's less than 5 minutes. >> You can walk out with a signature bond. So, they can just come to the jail or come to the station and wait 45 minutes and you'll be out of there. >> You won't be staying. >> I'm going to grab a shirt off. >> Okay. You want me to hold him? >> Be careful cuz she is >> Oh, big girl. What you doing? What >> you doing? What are you doing? Going to grab that beard. Yank real hard. Grab that beard. Yank real hard. >> Uh-huh. Yeah. I'll be I tell you that be a big patch missing out of my face. I'd be uglier than I am now. I might give me some street cred. Huh? You give me some street cred. Why you yourself? You're not pregnant now, are you? >> Okay. >> Um, was he going to take it or were you You're going to take the baby? Yeah, you're you're good to go. Oh, let me move my car. The mother was charged with child end, first-degree misdemeanor. Under Ohio law, she could face up to 6 months in prison, and a $1,000 fine. The children were picked up and temporarily cared for by their father. This situation serves as an important reminder for all parents in the community. Children's safety must always come first, and timely attention from those around them can prevent serious situations. If you think the previous case already hit rock bottom, then get ready because what the police found in the next house will leave you gasping for air. >> Do you think or would you have ever thought if you had kids you wouldn't let your kids live in a house like this? >> On February 2nd, [music] 2024, another call came in from St. Petersburg, Florida, reporting two children living in shockingly poor conditions. What was truly chilling, for the past 11 years, not a single neighbor had ever seen a child step outside that house. Go back. Go back, baby. >> Uh-uh. Where you going? >> Yeah. They're full of life. And you said you've lived here how many years? >> 11. >> 11 years. And you've never seen them? Never seen kids outside playing. Didn't even know the kids were in that house ever. >> Didn't know they existed. >> Okay. >> When she told me that, I was shocked. >> And you said you never saw a woman at this house. Just a man. >> I just see a guy and he walks down the street all the time and be driving a little Toyota Corolla sometime and that's it. to a crawl and that's it. >> Never really even seen nobody here but him. >> What does that man look like? Have you ever like seen him? >> He's I think he last I seen him he had like like a nappy little short afro like a small afro. >> Yeah. Kind of light skin. >> Light skin. >> Um I'm taller than him. I say about so much height like height. >> You see him go in and out of the house or you see him just kind of walk past the house, make contact? >> I walk past the house. I know he be there. That's all I know. >> Okay. >> And I haven't seen the car here. And you said what? You haven't seen the car here? >> Female. >> Um, what did you say? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> Do you have Do you know your social? >> My social? >> Yeah. [laughter] >> What? I'm getting ready. >> No, you're just you're just >> Well, your social security number? >> Yeah. You just go down as a witness. You don't have to. >> I don't want to get it. >> Yeah. >> We just always ask what somebody does. just we have to identify somebody later and we try to put as much information as we can to you don't have to though. >> You don't have to. It's just it's just kind of things that we ask. >> I'll tell you what though. If somebody steals your identity, suspect number >> Hey, wow. >> That's what I'm out there. Wow. >> No, thanks for coming over. >> Mhm. That's what I did for them. >> No, you're helpful. >> Yeah, because I know kids be over here and really [clears throat] it's going to be in the neighborhood. >> They're the only kids in the neighborhood. >> It's the ones I see is right here. And they play out in the yard all the time. But this lady here don't have no kids. Older lady. Them people there. Older couple. Them right here. Older couple. The lady on the corner, she have no kids. Feed cats all day. Um these guys got bigger kids. Like I said, I don't have babies running around. The lady next door to me don't have no kids. So I'm shocked. >> But the ones that have kids, you see them out and about. >> It's nobody but right here. >> Okay. And they're outside playing. >> Yeah, they play all the time. Right, Keith? >> Good. >> Then the scene was uncovered. A revolting, stomach turnurning sight. Two young children were living in a house filled with mold, urine, drugs, and cigarette butts alongside two unconscious adults who had abandoned their kids to a druginduced stuper. When the father sobered up enough to stand, officers began reading him his Miranda rights, preparing for the arrest. But instead of showing any remorse, he rushed to make excuses. She's no longer using drugs. she's sick. Then stumbled over his words trying to paint himself as the victim. >> I do want to talk to you about what's going on. So with that being said, some of the questions I might ask may to somebody be seen incriminating. So I'm going to read your rights just to talk to you. Okay? Doesn't mean you're under arrest. You're not under arrest. You're not handcuffed. Do you understand that? Okay. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him or her present with you while you're being questioned. You cannot afford to hire a lawyer want to be appointed to represent aid. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions and make those statements. Do you understand these rights? I just explain. >> Okay. Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me? >> Huh? >> Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me? >> Just about the whole situation. >> Whole situation. I'm sleep. You ready to go to work? >> Jail, >> huh? >> They're taking me to jail. >> This is your house. >> My house. >> Your mom. Okay. How long you been living here? >> Since October. Just 3 months. >> 3 months. >> Same. Okay. How long has she been here? >> She came over with breakfast. She didn't have a place to stay here. >> 3 months ago. >> No, same time. I brought all of I take care [clears throat] of everybody. >> Okay. And I'm sorry that I that's my fault. I missed it. So when did you start living here? >> 3 months. I was staying I over here 518 was over there. All of us over there. >> Okay. Happiness. She had a disagree with my mom came over here. >> That was 3 months ago. >> Yes. >> Okay. So she's been staying here about 3 months. >> Yes. >> The kids they're yours and hers. >> Yes, sir. Okay. How long have you guys been together? >> Five, six years. >> Five, six years. >> Okay. What she uses? Yes or no? >> She's auditioning. So, >> so you said you took her to the me? >> Yeah. >> When's the last time she went? >> Yesterday. >> Yesterday. >> Okay. Do you know of her two have used since yesterday? >> Did she use >> I I don't know. She I can't I can't maybe what? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not trying. >> That's okay. >> She She She got illness, bro. >> She What? >> She's illness, man. Just >> I'm sorry. Maybe me. I'm just not >> It's an illness, too. That's all. >> Okay. It's an illness. Okay. >> I didn't know, but did >> Okay. So, she went to the clinic yesterday. Did she use yesterday? Do you know of I work? >> Okay. What do you do for work? >> I drive the taxi. >> Oh, you drive the taxi. >> Okay. >> Um, when we came in, you guys have passed out. We knocked the first time. >> Was there an incident prior to us getting here with one of the children being outside? >> No. >> Nothing at all. >> No, I haven't been here 3 months. Children have never been outside the house. No. >> We got called about an hour before we woke you guys or probably about 15 minutes before we woke. >> I heard that. And the door sitting on the situation with that door was that when they came on it's a old house is up by 7. >> I understand >> it was knocked off the hinge by one of the air conditioner that bought it from mom. What happened? They bam on the door and knocked off the top hinges which cross the crack in the wood. >> When the [snorts] police said they saw your child walking out front, everything started to go off course. Nathan immediately denied it. The door wasn't open. The kids were still inside. But the strange thing was everything [music] he said contradicted the evidence. So, in the end, who's hiding what? >> We were here for the overdose last week. Whoever was here last week. >> My question is is we were called here before before we woke you guys up today. We were called here about 15 minutes prior. Okay. Somebody called in and said there was a child walking around out front and that you came out and addressed the child and brought the child back in. >> I didn't come out the door at all until you guys came in the house. They told me so I went out the door. That's a total lie. So, somebody's lying to you. Okay. The child was not out the door and I didn't come out the door until you guys finally like >> the child wasn't out. >> We found the weed pipe in there. She said she smokes weed. She said you guys both smoke weed. When's the last time you smoke weed? >> Smoke weed yesterday. >> Yesterday. Okay. Before you guys went to bed when you woke up. >> That was yesterday afternoon. >> We found a weed pipe next to the bed. It's in plain view. Right next to the bed on the floor. Okay. Is that commonly where you leave your weed pipe? >> No. >> Okay. Then they ask you about now again where she's sitting on the couch. There's that folding tray table. There's a crack on. Okay. Who smoked crap? >> I understand it's not you. I have a feeling based on her prior and everything with her. I don't know. >> Did she smell crap yesterday? >> I don't know. I don't know where it was. >> So, does she normally leave her crack wipes out in the open? >> No. No. Crack. >> Where? What's When did she go? >> I'm not a roll call, but we figured that situation. That's why I asked keys. >> This what? >> That's why I asked your keys. >> Are they They're both in my car. Okay. She's going to take charge once we get to the soft room for she's still attached though. >> Okay. Are you aware of the conditions of the house if they've been the kids have been staying here for 3 months with you guys? >> Yeah, I sort of came and normally everything said that door was up and fine before that just happened over the last couple weeks and I haven't had the money to fix it. So, I'm trying to get stuff fixed in my mom trying to get stuff done and it's just I haven't played right. That's all. >> Let me ask you your honest opinion. This is a question. As a father myself, look, from the outside looking in, do you think or would you have ever thought if you had kids, you wouldn't let your kids live in a house like this? And I get she like she said, it's not like this all the time, but if you walked into this house right now and said, "There's two kids living here." Would you sit and think, "Yeah, that's normal. What would you think? >> It's not a purpose. I'm not I'm trying the best way I feel. >> It's what? >> With their actions deemed utterly unacceptable. Both adults have been formally charged with child. The man faces an additional charge of child abuse with bail set at a staggering $160,000 while the woman received a comparatively lighter bail of $10,000. As for the child, he has been placed in the custody of the DCF to ensure his safety. >> I mean, like I said, I'm just asking your opinion. >> All right. What was your first name? >> Nathan. >> Nathan. All right. Do me a favor, Nathan. I'm going to have you put your hands behind your back. Okay. >> Go get both arrested. I'll tell you what. If you stay cooperative, I got two pair of handcuffs. I see you're a bigger guy. >> I'm going to miss my wrist. >> What? >> You got some big wrists, too, man. >> What? Can you explain while >> Yeah, I'll tell you in a second. >> [ __ ] kidding me, man. >> All right, I'm going try to make sure this doesn't lock up. Tell you what, if you sit tight, I got a couple of ankle cuffs. They're a little bit bigger. I'll grab them out of my car and we'll use those or >> pick. >> Yeah, you guys are both going to be under arrest for child. Okay. Child because the living conditions of the house are not feasible for children. Okay, there's obviously a reason we were Our initial plan was just to take the children cuz they shouldn't be living here. You guys have drug paraphernalia that's easily accessible to them. You're both passed out when we get here. The house is disgusting. >> Yeah, that's been here before we got here. >> Put her You want to put her in yours? Because I'm He's probably going to go in mine just for room. >> Okay. So, you guys are both going to be under for >> Yep. The children are be going to be coming with us. We've already contacted DCF. They're going to come grab them today. >> Oh, [ __ ] Let's take a walk over here. Put gloves on. You're going to search them. >> Leave those off. Now, I tell you what, man. This is what I have. Okay. I'm just going to tell you honestly what they are. These are usually ankle cuffs, okay? They're a little bit bigger. I'm going to cuff them together, and that's how we're going to secure you, okay? Cuz I know you got big arms there. So, put these on before you take the other ones off. >> Okay? >> Get them on. Make sure your things are hold your locks or your unlocks I should say and install these before you take those other ones off. So, put these on and then we'll pop the other ones off. >> Just uh put your arms out a little bit so she can get those off for you. All right. Come on. First thing you do is put your butt in first and turn over. Take this thing off. >> I I can. >> Just wanted to pinch your clothes. There you go. I'll put it below. You're good. I norally lock these. You don't get tight. >> Listen. Is there anything inside your raw? Anything you're in hiding? Can you bring anything in that jail? It's >> I can't feel it. I can't feel it. Can I Can I look? >> Do you normally keep stuff in there? >> Yes. Can I check? Can I check to see if there's anything? >> Do you know if there's anything in there or you don't? >> I don't think there's anything in there. >> You don't think or you don't know? >> I don't think so. I don't want to get another listen. If I have one. Okay. So, here's the deal. When we take you to jail, we'll tell them that you may have something in your bra, but that we weren't able to search you here. And then we know about it and they know about it. It's not an introduction. >> I can't check it right now. >> We're gonna put you in the van. So, let's check it before you get the van. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. All right. There's nothing in there. >> I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Fair. All right. You may not. >> Are you going to give me a chance on? >> Yeah. Well, here. I'll tell you what. I'm just going to let you check it now and then if there's anything >> okay I'll tell you what we will uh >> anything >> okay there we go through 15 two times please >> which one >> this one >> that one's actually looser than the other one that's super loose >> you got her >> poverty may be the root cause behind the harsh realities many children face but being poor is never an excuse for parents to expose expose their kids to toxic environments. Because if the next generation keeps repeating the same mistakes, who can be sure that society will not suffer from prolonged instability. It's hard to believe, but it's true. The safest place for this child wasn't in their parents' arms. It was in the hands of DCS. >> Ready to go for a ride? >> Are you hungry? >> Yeah. >> Starving Marvin. >> On October 17th, 2023, police and child protective services raided a home following reports of severe [music] child. What they found was a scene straight out of a nightmare. A four-year-old child locked away in a dark, filthy trash filled room. No food, no bath, [music] no clean clothes, and worst of all, not a trace of human warmth. >> There's literally so many cans. >> Oh god. >> And we have started to grow on the can. >> Hey. >> Hi. I'm Jessica. I'm with DCS. How are you, honey? So, I have to come in and do an investigation. Um, make sure you see unsafe. I will >> get whatever. >> I have to come. I have to come in the house. >> Yeah. >> Not safe and I have to remove him. I haven't been able to find. So, >> is that where he sleeps? >> Okay. What are we going to do about that? him. >> Sorry. >> And is there any in this house? >> In this house? Is there in this house? >> No. >> There shouldn't be or you don't know. Okay. >> I don't know what he's doing anymore. >> So, what about this house? Uh, we did have some. >> They may be gone. He may have broken it when he left. >> That's not the working fridge. No, this one is. Right now, we all have lunch. >> I was working and stuff. >> But he does have a burger. >> He did have a burger. When did he eat that burger? >> Your child eat every single day. When did he eat that burger? >> How long ago, sir? >> It didn't been that long. >> Okay. >> Hi, I'm Jessica. I'm with GCF. >> Yeah, I know. >> Okay. This was not going to be like this in the morning. We're just >> Okay. So, this has to be up. >> Oh, yeah. It will. It's just We finally got >> the following. Okay. >> At least for the night. He's been doing this for a while. >> I don't understand what's going on with him. 12 years. >> Yeah. The cops are >> Yeah. We have two police officers here. >> I'm back. >> You're back. >> Yes, ma'am. >> We every single day. No, take it back. You guys need to figure something out with this fridge or it needs to be removed or you need to fix it or something cuz this child needs to eat. There's open wires. Like this child needs to eat, >> right? This house is not work on it. But every time I was doing work on it, I'm paying all the bills. >> I understand. And that's I heard >> I pay all I have money to put into anything in here. >> Okay. I understand. >> And with him, he just knocks everybody down. He don't work. >> Okay. I call me a bad wife, but okay. So, first where where he can get into this. >> His daddy did that. >> Well, it needs to be taken care of. >> Well, we will. >> Um, where's that? >> I think he took everything. >> We think he took everything. >> Cuz if he get anything he gets into his This is Where do you Where do you sleep at, Tessa? >> But it was so late after talking to the office. >> Tessa, where do you sleep at, honey? >> Um, either in this room or that room. >> I sleep on the couch. He just got jealous. He isn't cuz he usually won't. >> He got jealous because they have a good relationship. I was real big because not to be telling, >> but I don't like DF. >> I'm not trying to be mean at all. I'm just trying to say this is what's happening. This is what I like. You know, >> what I'm saying is I'm willing to get it done cuz he's a good kid, >> right? But he needs to eat. >> He's pretty sure he eats. >> He did not starve. He eats. I'll give him >> I am not tripping right now on hot dogs. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Excuses were flying left and right. But Tessa [music] seemed to forget one crucial truth. In America, a child's safety and well-being always come first. That's why police showed up in the dead of night, [music] not to walk away, but to return the next morning, bringing with them the light of justice. >> So, you have to understand my concern and their concern when we come in this house. And there's a 4-year-old in here. This is not a level this is not a situation right there. >> And that's what his dad does. >> All my stuff was put up and now you see he's basically throwing it on the Well, the dad is one. >> Okay. So, I'm going to give you guys a a duty to inform notice. Okay. It says duty for notice to duty inform. So, I'm informing you that DCS, you now have an open DCS case. So, We'll be back in the morning, but I'm going to >> hour and more. >> I don't know. But you guys need to figure it out cuz we're going to be we're going to be in your lives until this is taken care of. >> Well, yeah. And I'm willing to do it. He just with him here. >> Okay. >> It's a drama. >> I'm not I'm not worried about him. I'm worried about the baby. I don't because then >> then you call the police and then they come and remove him again and then he can go to jail or whatever they do. >> This is like the third time I've called. >> Yeah. So then you just got to keep calling. You need to go get yourself a protective order. >> That's what we talked about, right? >> Yeah. So, those are things we have to get done, right? >> So, a protective order protection or the eviction. >> Okay. So, those are things that have to be done. And you have to get some food in this house. >> Yeah. I I don't like it. Like, this really bugs me, but he would get mad. He'll throw. >> Okay. Well, that again, he's gone now. So, right now, all I'm worried about is Brandon. Like, I You guys are adults. You guys can fend for yourselves. He can't fend for himself. >> Wow. Where is he? He can't he can't fend for himself. He can't say anything like, "Hey, I don't feel safe here. Hey, my my mom and dad are fighting." He's four. >> He's four, believe it or not. >> But still, he's But he's four. You guys need to worry about the safety of this child. >> Come on. He said, "Dad is being mean to me." >> And I get that, but you have to worry about the safety of that child. So, I'm going to fill out a duty to inform. So, which is going to be that you guys have totally done. Is that going to take me? We'll work with you guys as best as we can, but you guys have to you guys have to you guys need to figure this crap out. This is absolutely >> I understand. You know, >> can't do that with the dad. >> Then he needs to stay gone and you guys need to have boundaries. >> Then we're cleaning this up and nobody's saying anybody's a bad mom. Nobody's saying anybody's bad mom. But when there's domestic violence and there's some issues, then we need to get that taken care of, right? Cuz the baby right now is the number one priority. So you guys need to figure that out. >> But I have no money. >> I understand. What we got? >> All my money goes out to >> and DCS has great resources. >> We have a lot of resources. So, let me help you, okay? But you have to be willing to accept the help. >> As promised, [music] the next morning, police and DCS returned. In the light of day, the home revealed itself as a true hazard with burn marks splattered across every corner. And in the midst of the chaos, a deeply troubling picture emerged. Screaming, [music] arguing, and both emotional and physical abuse. >> Is mom home? She's asleep. >> Can you wake her up for me? >> Okay. >> All right. Ta. So, I'm Amanda with the Department of Child Sleeping. I don't know if you remember me or not, but I had you back in 2019. You remember? >> Yeah. Well, you were the first one. >> I was your first investigator. Yes, ma'am. Okay. So, we got a report about some things going on here. So, I know you met with Jessica last night. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, what's going on? Well, >> last night I was asleep. I woke up and he had been yelling about something, but I didn't see him. Uh >> in there. >> Yeah, this is bad. >> Was he asked to leave this property last night? >> Yeah. And she came back this morning. >> Is he allowed to be back? >> I think so. Yeah. >> Okay. So, you guys got in an argument last night? >> Mhm. >> About what? >> I'm not real sure. The only thing I got out of it was that I was in Dad's room cuz he wanted us both out, but by yelling at us, we just wanted to stay because we didn't feel comfortable. >> Okay. So, what's going on with the house? It doesn't look real good. >> No. >> No. >> What's going on with all the little fires everywhere? >> That box back there, >> right? But there's burned stuff everywhere. Does the house frequently start on fire? >> No. It was a one time deal. I think it was >> What are these fingers? Are those tampon applicators? >> Mom, I know. Excuse me. >> What's up? >> All right. >> Okay. What's going on at the house? >> Really? >> Yeah. I mean, this looks doesn't look good, Tissa. So, who's all living here? >> Mom, dad, >> anybody working? loves her. >> So, what are you doing with the check? >> How much is mom's truck? >> Um, somewhere on a,000. >> So, how are you guys making them need right now? >> Okay. >> $600. Not a huge amount, but to Tessa, it was a fortune. Instead of working, she relied on food stamps to get by. Meanwhile, her kids went without vaccinations, [music] without medical checkups. She even excused not potty training her son by saying, "I'm a girl. He's a boy. I'm not comfortable." >> Um, food stance access. >> Yeah. And I'm in. >> So, are you on food stance? >> Uh, yeah. Technically, I'm doing how much you food stance. >> You dropped me. 61. >> That's it. >> When's the last been to the doctor? >> That's been a while. >> Okay. Is he up to date on his immunizations? >> No. >> Who is his primary care doctor? >> Um, it's a female. I know. I a tree. Hey, come back here. >> Joshua. >> Yeah, that. >> So, when would you say the last time he's been? A year. Probably around the time that the public came out. >> So about 2 years? >> Yeah. >> So no one's working in the home. >> No. >> No. >> Yesterday. >> Well, hi. Any recent criminal history, Tissa? >> Um, >> okay. What's going on with Senior? >> I'm not real. Usually it's not like him. I don't usually fight this much, but it's like it's almost like he hates me anymore. >> Okay. So, when you guys are fighting, is it verbal? Is it physical? All the above? >> Mostly verbal. Like today, he's already mentioned I want someone to take care of me. No, my arm hurts, dude. And you're supposed to be my partner. >> Okay. >> What about the test. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. What do you mean you're not sure about him? Are you concerned about him? >> I'm concerned that he's on something other than himself. >> Okay. >> What about mom and grand or mom and grandpa? Grandma. >> Grandpa was supposed to be really weird. Mom didn't really see much. >> What about alcohol use alcohol use? >> Um that's maybe dad whiskey the other night, but I didn't touch it until I like this stuff. >> Okay. I'm not a big drinker. >> So, who do you have for support? my parents and that is why he wants to move. Why not? Cuz right now you're not even feeding me, you know, rolling and I can't roll. I suck. >> Rolling what? >> Cigarettes. He has a machine, a crazy machine that mom would let me use if I could get more than half a cigarette, but I can't. And she doesn't want me wasting money, which I get. We don't have a lot. So, I just go do the person role. >> Do you have any concerns for your son right now? >> Oh, yeah. >> What kind of concerns do you have? with the fighting isn't good for him. Himm hearing his mommy's put down isn't good for him. He needs someone that has both of our back. >> Any other concerns for him? >> Other than you know the fact that he thinks his father hates him. No, but I want him to feel loved. I want him to know he's cared for. >> Is he not potty trained yet or what's going on with that? >> We're working on it. I just got him to potty a couple times. It's a good job. And because I'm a girl and he's a boy, I'm just not comfortable being the one to take that home. But as far as I don't know, he's not stepping in to that boy room. >> Okay. What about um >> there's a girl that would be different girl. He's a boy and I'm mom. I'm not that close. I mean, I know. He knows I love him. I guess you can see dad. Tessa insisted [music] he had eaten, yet she couldn't recall what he ate or when. She claimed he [music] had shoes, but the child was wearing only one, far too large. Yet, poverty wasn't the most alarming issue. What truly shook everyone was that both Tessa and the little boy were sharing a bed with a grandfather. An unsettling reality that immediately raised grave moral and legal questions about the nature of these unnamed relationships. >> When was the last time he ate? >> Uh, this morning. >> What did he have this morning? Uh, brother. >> When was the last time you had a bath? >> Uh, well about a week ago. I got to give him a bath today. I just >> Does he have clothes and shoes of his own? Cuz last night when I was here, he wasn't in clothes and he was You guys kept putting him in shoes like that? >> Yeah, he likes our shoes. >> Okay. But does he have clothes and shoes of his own? >> Yeah, he does. And he >> stepping on my toes. >> All right. So you said the last bathroom about a week ago. >> Yeah, this was bad. >> It just suppresses. So >> what do you guys use for discipline for him? >> Hey, no. >> That's not nice. >> We don't do that. >> Okay. >> No. Look at me. I will >> scissors or bug bites or something. >> You can't. >> Are we going to get bugs? Wait, is that contagious? >> Okay. So, what's up with all the marks on him? So, he's got all kinds of cuts and sores and you guys are bed buds or what's going on? >> No, he's kind of clutched on his long. >> Okay. Well, some of these are like bites. They look kind of like bites and stuff. So, like >> Yeah, we're thinking ants. I mean, that's the problem. When you have someone put you down, it's hard to stay up. It's hard to be a good person. So my report also indicates that you're in a relationship with grandpa. >> No, you guys, but it's not like that. My dad feeds me. He gives me cigars. He has a bed. I can just crawl in. And me, you know, if I don't if there's no pallet made, I mean, if he's asleep on the couch, I just have to crawl up on the floor. >> Junior sleep. >> Where's grandpa? >> So everybody's sleeping with grandpa? >> Not everybody. >> Well, you said you do and he does. >> I do. Where's Tiny sleep? >> The room. >> So, what room are you sleeping in? >> Usually, I sleep in the living room, but when you get me, I got to grab people. >> Can I do a walk through of the house? >> You want to go follow mom and then go? >> He's going to eat [ __ ] Don't fall through the floor, Amanda. >> A faint beam of light slipped [music] through the crack in the door, only to illuminate a harsher truth. Laziness had bred a disturbing kind of apathy. Tessa's disheveled hair and sloppy clothing made it no surprise that every instruction from DCS during their previous visit had been completely ignored. >> So, where's the food that you guys have right now? >> How do you sleep on the couch when it's like that? >> Um, I usually don't. I have to curl from the floor. That's why I've been sleeping somewhere. >> Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes I just have to clear up the chair and sleep in it and I get fit too. There's things I'm not sure what >> I know from my understanding last night Jessica came out here from DCS. She told you guys to clean up. So has this been cleaned up? >> Not clean out after those. >> Okay. So where's dad at? Talk to dad. Okay. >> This is grandpa's room where they all sleep apparently. >> Where do you sleep, buddy? >> On his way to go. >> All right. >> Grandpa's sleeping. >> Yeah. >> You know where I talk to you outside for a few minutes? The father showed up, but responsibility kept [music] getting passed back and forth. When neither of them was mature enough to be apparent, everything turned into excuses. I can't cook, clean, and work all at the same time, but she doesn't listen. >> I just bring my camera so you're aware I'm recording myself. >> Oh, okay. The department received a report. Um, so we were out last night. You weren't here, so I'm going to go over your rights with you first. Okay. So DCS has no legal authority to compel or make you cooperate with our investigation or to accept any services. But it is our hope that by working together, we can ensure your family has what it needs. If at any time you don't want to talk to me, you can tell me to go away and I have to. >> Let me ask you a question. If we were to get with my mom and want to move to to where she lives in Missouri and stay with her till we get on our feet, is that going to be something we're able to do? >> I mean, I got to go over your rights with you before I can talk about anything. Okay. So, you have to know your rights before I can talk about anything. Okay. So DCS has no legal authority to call and make cooperate with our investigation or to accept any services, but it is our hope that by working together, we can ensure your family has what it needs. If at any time that I felt that your child was unsafe, I do have the authority to petition the juvenile court for a determination of child safety services. Your refusal to cooperate does not in itself form a basis that those shoes are entirely too good for him. >> Does he have shoes of his own? Can we put shoes of his own on him? >> He does, but I have to find them. and and that mountain of of whatever it is is hard to >> So if at any time that I felt that your child was unsafe, I do have the authority to petition the juvenile court. Your refusal to cooperate does not solve form a basis for DCS to take care custody. >> Better off. Why don't we take them off? Do you want to take them off? >> No. >> So you do have the right to provide written telephonic or verbal responses to the allegations and to have those considered in the investigation. >> We still do. >> There are two phone numbers on this form. Those two phone numbers are what's called the Arizona Unspent Citizen Aid Office. If you felt like I was rude, unprofessional, or inappropriate anytime, you can call, file a complaint, then investigate me as a worker to make sure I'm doing my job appropriately and professionally. So, I'm just going to openly end it. What's going on here? >> What's going on here is I guess we've been doing a lot of arguments. So, I'm trying to talk to her about getting the house cleaned up, start, you know, doing better, you know, getting stuff done so I can go to work, but I can't clean the house for everybody, do everything for everybody, cooking, and go to work, make a paycheck to take care of us, provide. And she's just refusing to listen. And so it makes me angry and I'm probably handling it the wrong way >> by, you know, getting too angry about it and it's not listening. >> Is anybody working right now? >> Uh, no. Her mom makes a paycheck. >> How much does her mom make? >> Her mom makes probably a grand social security disability. >> How's that making ends meet for four adults and a child? >> Exactly. That's my point. Cuz nobody will clean the house, but I can't do everything for everyone and go to work. >> How long have you guys been living here? >> Now, if I were maybe a living caregiver or something, that would be different, but I'm not. >> How long have you guys been here? We've been here now for going on 3 years at least. >> Cuz I had I don't know if you remember me or not, but I had the original investigation back in 2019 when he was first born. >> It wasn't this bad originally. >> No, it wasn't. >> And then it wasn't this bad when we came back here. It only got this bad cuz we can't stop fighting long enough to just talk, listen, and understand. I'm not perfect either. I do things wrong. I've been handling the wrong way, obviously. >> So, when's the last time he's been to a doctor? >> Uh, that's a good question. >> Is he up to date on his immunizations? >> Uh, that's a good question. Um, is he meeting his milestones? Daycare. >> We don't do daycare, but I do try to work with him from time to time, you know, with letters and shapes and sets. >> What about potty training? >> Potty training. Uh, if I can get him to cooperate. Sometimes he does go on his own. Sometimes he does want to go, which is kind of why I had his diaper off earlier. I didn't take it off. He took his own off. So, he's been taking his underwear off on his own. He didn't want to put his underwear on. So, I figured maybe that he'll pee one time and realize, hey, there's something coming out of there. >> What about substance use in the house? Any >> substance use? Her mom smoke. >> Any other one? Anyone else using? >> No, I do sometimes. Just stay calm. But I try not to overm smoke. >> Do you have any marijuana on property right now? >> No. >> If you do, do you lock it up or what's that look like? >> We usually put it up out of reach. Like if I can help it, it's put up out of reach. >> Any any history with umin or >> uh history of it, but not any uh >> you're maintaining soiety? >> Unregulated use. >> If I asked you to drug test, would you be willing to drug test? >> Uh maybe. >> Okay. Or maybe >> I guess I could. >> Okay. So I mean if I know that you're in a pot positive for I already know that. Right. Right. >> So that that wouldn't be a concern. But if there's anything else that would be in that >> So what's going on with the relationship with Tissa and her dad? >> I don't know. It's probably just a figment of my imagination. All the stress and stuff. >> So what do you think's going on? >> I don't think anything's going on now. Probably just some hard thinking last night. It's probably just, you know, her trying to get away from the fighting when I'm not trying to fight with her. Just trying to talk. You know what I mean? So she just goes through her dad like any any daughter would. But what's up with all the the marks on him, like the bites and stuff? >> A lot of it looks like dirt. The rest of it, I'm really not sure. He's probably just falls down. He does run a lot. He's got a lot of energy. I'm thinking it's possible he could be ADHD. >> So, do you guys have like running water, >> running water, electricity, >> gas works? >> Hey, that's not nice. This doesn't look good. >> Yeah, I know. >> Do you know what I mean? >> Yeah, I know. But I mean, something had something had to happen eventually. >> I mean, what do you think needs to happen? We need to straighten up, clean up, and get on our feet. And >> how do you think that can happen? >> By simply doing this, >> when's the last time you had a job? >> It was over 3 years ago. >> The last time Tissa had a job. >> That's a good question. >> With [snorts] that unhealthy lifestyle, the mother Tessa was finally handcuffed, facing two charges, [music] child and adult abuse. Baby Brandon was taken to safety, not out of pity, but because Justice finally spoke up. >> Okay, guys. So, I talked with my supervisor and we got a lot of concerns. We need we need to get covered out. >> What? Baby, >> I'm sad. >> I know you're sad, but look, Grandma get her house done and then we'll work with these people and get you back. Okay. >> Yeah. You have to be a good good boy when you go to grandma. Grandma will do everything she can to get you back. Okay. I love you. >> And I'm going to get you set up for drug testing. >> I love you. So, I'm going to come back out on you know I love you and >> you know grandma will do everything to get you back great grandma for me. Okay. >> It won't be long. Grandma will do everything to you the house. Okay. Grandma for a little bit. Okay. Mommy long enough for grandma to get this part down. >> And then when I get to the office I'll hold her grandma. Any criminal history or anything with her? >> Grandma? >> Yes. Oh, hell. >> She's like, >> what's her name? What's Mary? What? >> Mary Norris. >> She's a number. >> I always told her she was goody. >> Yeah. If everything pans out, the home's appropriate and stuff, we will absolutely >> Let me know. >> Yeah. Do you have a phone number? >> I have a home. What's the home number, guys? Tell me. Give them love. >> When you do take him to grandma, let him let her know I'm doing >> Well, yeah. I'm going to have I have a whole process I have to do with that. So, he's not going to go right to normal. He's under my office. And as long as everything pans out, then absolutely that's something we will totally explore. >> Okay. >> And I will get this done out, but I just can't handle this. >> Tissa, you have my card. So, give me a little bit and probably tomorrow morning I'm going to swing out and drop off the stuff for you to go drug testing. >> Ready? Go for a ride. >> Are you hungry? >> Yeah. >> Starving. Marvin, what's your favorite food? If you could eat anything, what would it be? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You want nugies? >> Yeah. >> I like nuggies. Let's go get some nuggets. >> Do all you guys shoot a grizzly? >> Come on over here, Tessa. Tessa, I'm going to detain you for this at this point in reference to your case. Okay, there's some stuff I got to go over with you. She's being detained for a old case. So, Tessa, it looks like you have an adult abuse warrant or child abuse, one of the two. >> I mean, your daughter is in a backup place called She got a family for adult abuse. >> Is there anything on your person right now? >> No. >> Okay. Nothing that I need to know about you right now. >> Okay. So, I am going to place you under arrest. It's uh a grand jury warrant and uh adult abuse. So, you'll have court first thing in the morning. It's not the crime of the century. The bond's 2500. So, you'll see a judge and you might it's it is possible you could be released tomorrow on your own recognance, but it's very important that you stay updated on these uh things, okay? Cuz that's a felony. It's a serious one, right? >> The right to motherhood is not [music] a lifelong privilege when it's accompanied by neglect and violations of the law. Under child protection laws, any act of neglect can lead to criminal charges and in [music] some cases the permanent loss of parental rights. 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