My name is Alec Murdoch. >> I need the police immediately. My wife died badly. >> Did they shoot their yourself? >> Oh no. Hell no. He shot in the head and he shot really bad. There's blood everywhere. >> I can see his brain on neither one of them suffered very long. matter of seconds if that [snorts] when I'm asking you what time you went to the office that day, what time you got home, um you're, you know, you saying 5 or 5:30. I've gotten a card readout from the law firm and it shows you going in at 5 5:30. >> Would you be willing to take a polygraph? I mean, we're not going to answer that question. >> For generations, the Murdoor family was one of the most powerful names in South Carolina's low country. But on the night of June 7th, 2021, everything changed when 52-year-old Alex called emergency services in a panic, reporting that he had found his wife Maggie and their 22-year-old son Paul shot to death near the kennels of the family's Mosel hunting property. But as investigators began piecing together the evidence, it led them in a direction no one had expected. The following presentation contains material that some viewers may find disturbing. The case files and recordings shown here were obtained through official Freedom of Information Act requests submitted directly to the police department and may include previously unseen footage. Viewer discretion is advised. The Murdor family background. For nearly 90 years, three generations of Murdor men served backto back as the elected chief prosecutor for South Carolina's 14th Judicial Circuit, giving the family extraordinary influence across five counties. They also ran a highly successful law firm founded in 1910. Although Alex never held the prosecutor's office himself, he became a partner at the family firm, inheriting a legacy that made the Murdoor name one of the most powerful and respected in the region. However, that legacy was shaken the night a 911 call came in at 10:06 p.m. >> 911. Emergency Moselle Road. I need the police to us immediately. My wife and child. >> Okay. You said 4147 Mobile Road in Allison. >> Sir, >> you said 4147 Mosel Road in Allison. >> Yes, sir. 4147 Mosel Road. >> Stay on the line with me. Okay. Yes, sir. Stay on the line with me. Okay. [music] Hello. >> I'm still here. Stay on the line. I'm still here. Okay. >> I have a Alex Murdoch on the line caller from 4147 Mosel Road. He's advising that his wife and child was shot. >> Okay. And sir, give me the address again. >> 4147 Mosel Road. I've been up to it now. It's bad. >> Okay. How did they shoot? Did they shoot theirel? >> Oh, no. Hell no. >> Okay. And are they breathing? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. And you said it's your wife and your son? >> My wife and my son. >> Are they in a vehicle? >> No, ma'am. They're on the ground out at my kennel. Okay. AND DID YOU SEE ANYONE? >> SHOT IN THE HEAD. And he's shot really bad. >> He's shot. >> Okay. Where is Where is he shot at? >> Ma'am, I don't know, but there's blood everywhere. Um I can brain I can see his brain face down. I tried to turn her a little bit, but she's got a hole in her head. >> Okay. Is he breathing at all? >> No. No. >> Is she okay? Do you see anything? Do you see anyone in the area? >> No, ma'am. Ma'am, >> is there any guns near them at all? >> No, there's here. >> What color is your house on the outside? >> If that's what you're asking, they didn't shoot themselves. Ma'am, >> what color is your house on the outside? >> Uh, it's white. You can't see it from the road. >> Okay. Is it a house or a mobile home? >> It's a house. >> Okay. And what is your name? >> My name is Alec Murdoch. >> Okay. And did you hear anything or did you come home and find them? >> No, ma'am. I've been gone. I I just came back. >> Okay. And was anyone else supposed to be at your house? >> No, ma'am. >> Please hurry. >> We're getting somebody out there to you. >> Got to know. Okay. What is her name? >> Maggie. Maggie and Paul. >> Maggie is her name. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. When's the last time you talked to Maggie? >> Hour and a half ago. probably two hours ago. >> What? [clears throat] >> Okay. You said about two hours ago you talked to them >> approximately. Yes, ma'am. Approximately. >> Okay. Did she say what they were doing at all? >> No, I talked to her in person. You talk to her in person, >> then please hurry. >> WE'RE GETTING SOMEBODY OUT THERE, TOO. Me asking you these questions. Don't slow them down. Okay. And you sure they're not breathing? >> Is he moving at all? Your son? I know you said that she was shot in the head, but what about your son? Nobody's They're not Neither one of them's moving. >> What is your telephone number? >> I'm going back to my house just to get a gun just in case. I'm about a 100 yards from my house. And does anything look out of place. >> Ma'am, I I not not particularly really. No, ma'am. >> Okay. I know you're upset, Mr. Murdoch, but I I don't want you to get a gun and and have a gun out whenever my officers get there. Okay. >> I will not do that. He's been being threatened by my son had a boat deck. He's been being for months and months and months. He's been hit several times. And I'm sure >> Do you know who was threatening your son? >> There's too many people over the phone. >> One sec. All right. All right, I'm going back down there. >> Oh, THEY CLOSE, MA'AM. >> YEAH, THEY'RE they've been in route with you ever since you've got on the phone with me. I have multiple people coming out there to you. Okay. Can you do me a favor, Mr. Murdoch, and turn on the flashers on your car so that way they can see where the kennels are? 21 station 18. You will need station. >> I don't want you to touch them at all. Okay. I don't I don't know if you've already touched them, but I don't I don't want you to touch them just in case they can get any kind of evidence. Okay. >> I I already touched them trying to get a um to see if they were breathing. >> Okay. Well, I I just don't want you to move anything just in case they can get any kind of evidence. Okay. Did your son I know you said that he had been threatened. Did your son make reports of this at all? >> Um yes ma'am >> he did. >> And what's your son's name? Paul. Paul. >> Ma'am, I'm gonna call I I need to call some of my family. >> Okay. >> Well, well, do me a favor for me. Whenever you see the officer or the medics, cuz they're they're all coming to you. Can you put your gun in your vehicle for me? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. But we have them coming. Turn on the flashes on your vehicle so they can see you. Okay. >> Whenever you see them, put your gun up for me. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. >> How old is your son? >> 22. >> Okay. All right. We're We're getting him out there to you. Okay. >> And I will answer if you fall. >> Calling County dispatch. >> Hi. Um, two people were shot in Moselle. >> Okay. Ma'am, >> road on Moselle Road. >> Ma'am, we are aware. Who Who am I speaking with? Who am I speaking with? >> I'm Caroline. I'm Caroline Murdoch. >> Okay. And how are you related to them? Yes, my it's my uncle's property. >> Okay. He has already called, >> ma'am. >> He's Is it Who's your uncle? Is it Alan? >> It's Alec. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. He's already called and they're on the way to you. >> I need Are you guys inside the house? >> I'm somewhere else. I'm somewhere else. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just need to make sure nobody goes inside that residence if you guys go over there. Okay. But the ambulance the ambulance and everything >> I'll call him and tell them. >> Yeah, he Nobody needs to go inside that residence at all. >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. >> Okay, that's okay, sweetie. It's okay. I just It's disturbing evidence if they go inside. So, he's got to stay outside, but the ambulance is right there and there's law enforcement, but we got to make sure the scene's secure before we can send the ambulance in. Okay. >> Okay. All righty. All right. Bye-bye. Uhhuh. Bye-bye. >> You're welcome, please. >> Deputies rushed to the Mosel property and upon arrival found Paul lying face down in the doorway of the feed room at the end of the dog kennels. Maggie was found near the edge of a nearby equipment shed. Both had been shot multiple times. That same night, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, SLEED, assumed control of the investigation. With Alex being the only person known to have discovered the bodies, investigators considered him their most important witness. In the early hours of June 8th, they conducted their first interview with him inside his vehicle. >> I mean, I pulled up and I could see him and, you know, I knew something was bad. I ran out. I knew it was really bad. my my boy over there. I could see it was [laughter] so and I could see his brain on >> [clears throat] >> And I ran over to Maggie. [laughter] Actually, I think I tried to turn Paul over first. Um uh you know, I tried to turn him over and uh I don't know. I figured it out. Um, his cell phone popped out of his pocket. I started to try to do something with it, thinking maybe, but then I put it back down really quickly. Um, then I went to my wife and I I mean, I could see. >> Mhm. >> Did you touch Maggie at all? >> I did. I touched him both. Okay. I try to take I mean I try to do it as limited as possible, but I I try to take their pulse on both of them. >> Mhm. >> And um you know, I called 911 um pretty much right away and she was very good. Um, [clears throat] I talked to her. Um, I told her I was going to get off the phone to call some family members. I did that. Um, and um, >> what family [snorts] members did you call? >> I called my brother Randy and I called my brother John. And I tried to call a little boy, real good friend, that's right around the corner from here, but I didn't get him. >> Okay. [snorts] >> What all was around um Paul when he walked up? >> Blood. >> Any any other anything else? >> I mean, there was some body things. Yes, sir. I mean, like any other evidence, I know you said the phone fell out the pocket. Um, but did you see anything else that didn't belong or shouldn't belong or that wasn't part of Paul? >> No, sir. Not No, not sir. >> How about Maggie? >> No, sir. >> You didn't see anything around them? >> What made you come out here at night? Um, I went to My mom's a late stage Alzheimer's patient. My dad's in the hospital. Um, my mom gets anxious when she does. I went to check on them and Maggie. Maggie's a dog lover and she fools with the dogs. And I knew she'd gone to the kennel. I was at the house. I left the house and went to my mom's [clears throat] for just a little while. tried to call her when I left. Texted her, no response. Um, when I got back to the house, the house was obviously nobody was in there, so I figured they're still up here fooling around. Paul was um going to be getting set up to plant. our sunflower seeds got sprayed and died and he was refiguring to do to plant the sunflower seeds. So I came back up here and I drove up and saw and called. [snorts and sighs] >> Had Maggie and Paul been arguing over anything? >> No. What was their relationship like? >> Wonderful. >> Wonderful. How about yours and Maggie's? >> Wonderful. I mean, I'm sure we had little things here and there, but we had a wonderful marriage, wonderful relationship. [snorts] >> And yours and Paul's relationship, >> as good as it could be. that what comes to my mind is my son Paul was in a boat wreck a couple years ago and there's been a you know he was charged with being arrested for being the driver. There's been a lot of negative publicity about that and there's been a lot of people online just really vile stuff but when Paul's out and about I mean people routinely I don't think I know the full story. Um because I don't think they give it to me. But I mean he's been punched and hit and just attacked a lot so you know but I mean nothing like this. >> Yeah. Any any one person in particular or group of people? >> I don't know >> that you could think of not that I know. No sir. Has he re other than being assaulted, has he received any direct threats related to the boat accident? >> Oh, yes. All the time he gets recently. >> Um, yes, sir. I mean, he gets them all the time. >> Okay. >> He gets them all the time. [cough and clears throat] What kind of I mean >> I'mma kick your you know I've never been privy firsthand you know um >> is that through social media or >> No ma'am it's mostly like if if he goes out places is what you know what he goes out like somewhere he's in college so if he goes out is what I understand >> I can find out better details from some of his younger friends on that. [clears throat] >> Who's his best friend? >> Um, his best friend in Colombia is is um Will's Chapman, Will Loving, um, Bobby Bole. Bobby Bole, Will Chapman and Paul were getting ready to move into a house together. in Colombia. >> You said you said Will Chapman and Will Loving. >> Wills Wills with an S. Chapman and Will with an L. Loving. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Um [cough] um around here, his best friends are clearly Nolan Tutin and Rogan Gibson. Anybody on that boat really have a heart on for Paul that you would think would come after him or know of any direct threats from people on the boat? >> I don't know of any direct threats between any of the people on the boat. Okay. Specifically, but I I do think there's been a small amount of yip yap between a couple of them, but not recently. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> Most of this was stuff from people that Paul didn't really know. >> Okay. >> It was some people that he knew distantly, but more times than not, when I learned about it, it was somebody that he didn't know. >> Okay. Um it's like for example, he went out in Charleston a couple months ago, came back, you know, he got a black eye and you know, he can't defend himself right now because he has these charges. So, you know, he would Paul was a real tough man's man. You know, he would just >> he would defend himself, but he hadn't been >> That's right. But >> how was he handling that case [clears throat] over everybody? As far as what >> how was he handling it? >> I've never been prouder of him than the way he has handled the pressures and the adversity in that situation. I think I've told Danny that before. >> 2 years before the murders in February 2019. Paul, who was only 19 back then, was returning from a party with several friends aboard the family's boat. Paul, who was heavily intoxicated, crashed the boat into the Archers Creek Bridge in Bowurt County, South Carolina. One of the passengers, 19-year-old Mallerie, was thrown into the water and died. Her body was not recovered until a week later. Paul was charged with multiple felony counts and was out on bond awaiting trial when he was murdered. The crash had left the family entangled in a wrongful death lawsuit and under intense public scrutiny. Paul had also been receiving threats in the aftermath of the crash, leading Alex to believe they could have been connected to the murders. >> The shotgun that you had when deputies pulled up, where did that come come from? >> I went to the house and I got a gun, probably overreacting, but >> And was that when you pulled up and saw them? >> And no, I mean, I came out and I mean I called 911 first. >> Mhm. talked to them for a little while and then I told her >> told her >> that I was that I was going to go to the house. >> Okay. >> And that I would letuthorities know when they got here that I had a gun. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> We do. We probably have 20 25 guns. >> Yeah. >> Pistols. >> Any rifles? >> Yes, sir. >> What kind of rifles? >> All kinds. >> Yeah. >> All kinds. I mean, you name it across the board, we have them. >> Okay. >> And I mean, they're all of them we have are, you know, in a hunting room. >> Was it unusual for Maggie to feed the dogs this time of night or check on them? >> Oh, no. I mean, she played with those dogs every all the time. And especially common for her to, you know, she's been gone for a while to come and let >> especially two of them out to run. >> Okay. So, she pretty regularly comes out here in the evenings. >> Very regularly. Okay. >> She comes out here a lot. [snorts] >> You have any cameras on your property? I have deer cameras, but none, you know, around up here. >> Where are they at? >> On on different deer stands. >> Okay. So, deep in the woods. >> Well, not necessarily deep in the woods. Some of them are in fields and >> Okay. >> Um but I don't there's none that, >> you know, are near here. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> Um, what doctor's appointment? What doctor did Maggie see today? >> Um, I forget the guy's name. Maggie's been having trouble with her, she's been having trouble with her stomach and her tooth. I'm not positive. It was sort of a routine visit and I can't remember. She told me the name of him and I can't I want to say Gordon. Gordin. Gordon, >> okay, >> is um who I think she saw. I don't think she got back quite that early. I think she got back a little bit later than that. >> Okay. >> Um what did you do to do? Were you at the office or >> No, I was home. I came home. Paul and I messed around. I I uh I was up at the house. I laid down, took a nap on the couch. Probably I don't know 25, 30 minutes. I got up. I called Maggie, didn't get an answer, and I left to go to my mom's. She had said she might ride with me, but she normally doesn't when I go over there. Um, and I think I texted her and she's very good about answering the phone, so that was odd. Or calling me back, so that was odd, but it wasn't that big a deal. >> Now, what time was that? [snorts] >> What time was what? >> That you sent her a text message. >> [snorts] >> All right. Um, I check texted her at 9:08. Going to check on M. Be right back. And then I texted her at 9:47. That must be when I started to come back. I think I called her before that. Pretty sure that I called her 9:45 and then I tried Paul and then No, I think that was riding. I think that might have been riding over there. 10:03. >> And you said your dad's in the hospital? >> Yes, sir. >> Which which hospital? Charleston or >> Savannah Candler? St. Joseph's. >> Is he doing okay or what's >> uh he's having a really really hard time. He's got a lot lot lot going on. Okay. you know, he's um he's he's doing okay given everything, but he's got a lot going on. >> About Maggie's family, where are they? >> Somerville. >> Have you been in touch with them tonight? >> Contacted. Yes. I had my brother call Bart. um the wife of his sister and I mean the husband of Maggie's sister so that they could go and tell Maggie's parents. I felt like they needed to hear it in person. >> Mhm. >> And they are going there and calling me so they must not be there yet. [snorts] >> You have any other children? >> I do. I have a 24 year old. >> That's right. You said what's his name? >> Buster. Well, Richard Alexander Jr. Okay. He goes by Buster. >> He goes by Buster. >> Is he here tonight? >> He's on his way. >> Okay. [snorts] >> You said you tried to flip him over. Was he laying on his back or on his stomach? >> Just like he he >> Just like he is. So you weren't able to move him. Okay. >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. And did he help Maggie a lot out here with the animals? >> He helped everybody with everything. >> Okay. So, it was kind of routine for him to be out here as well in the evening. >> This place is his absolute passion. >> Okay. [snorts] Um, you know, so the corner will come over and talk to you. um you know they'll [snorts] do the autopsy and everything and then go from there. >> Alex claimed he last saw Maggie and Paul alive at dinner. He said he then dozed off on the couch and when he woke the house was empty. He then drove to visit his ailing mother and when he returned to Moselle afterward he went down to the kennels himself and found their bodies. But his account left investigators with a crucial gap in the timeline. Hoping to fill in those missing moments, detectives next interviewed Rogan, one of Paul's closest friends. Rogan had been the last person. Paul called at around 8:40 p.m. However, what Rogan told investigators would soon change the course of the entire investigation. >> He called me. I looked in my phone. [music] It was 8:44 last night. And he said, >> "When you say he, who are we?" Okay. >> And then talk to us like we don't know anything. >> Yeah. You got to give us names. >> Okay. Okay. So, Paul, >> cuz when you say he, I might not know who you're talking about. I want to make sure I get it right. Okay. >> Paul called me >> at what time? >> At 8:44. >> Okay. >> P.M. >> Okay. >> And said that there was something wrong with my dog. And I said, "Well, send me a picture of it." He said, "Well, I'll try to FaceTime you." FaceTime me. I seen a little bit of the screen. He said, "I don't think I got connection." He said, "I'll send you a picture or video of it." During the conversation with him, I heard Miss Maggie and believed to be what was Mr. Ell. >> Okay. >> In the background. Can't swear that it was Mr. Ellie was Mr. Ell. >> How well do you know Mr. Ell? >> I'm like a third son of them. >> So you you would recognize his voice pretty pretty >> Yeah. I I'm I'm 99% sure that was Mr. Elling talking to them. >> Okay. >> While I was on the phone. >> Okay. >> And after then I waited for the picture. Waited for the picture. never got him, called him back a couple times, never heard from him. And I'm guessing that's when it happened sometime between the time I talked to him at 8:44 and >> and that [clears throat] what did what could Were they arguing? Were they >> They were um they were talking about my dog and said there was a little knot on his tail. >> Okay. >> And they wanted me to know if I was going to come pick him up or >> That's what Ell was talking about. >> Ellis tail's broke. That's what I heard the male voice say. >> Which I thought think was Mr. Elliot. >> I got you. >> Miss Maggie was asking, "Does she need to give him some medicine?" >> Okay. >> And I said, "No." I said, "If he acts like he's fine, don't don't give him no medicine. I'll have my cousin come check him out cuz we we live right here in this area." And I was going to get my cousin to come check him out this morning. >> Okay. >> And did you ever talk to Maggie or Mr. Ell? >> Never did while while I was on the phone with Paula. Never. Does the phone go dead or you just never got the picture? >> Never got the picture. He hung up after he tried to FaceTime me cuz he was going to show me the little knot on the dog's tail. >> Correct. >> Which I think just [clears throat] a little insect bite. Um but he was going he did FaceTime me and I seen the the the background was the dog kennels. >> Okay. >> And then it just he said I don't have connection. Cuz you know when you get on FaceTime you don't have connection. It's kind of lagging a little bit. Screen kind of moves around real slow. >> Yes sir. >> That's what was going on. And he hung up. Okay. >> It didn't sound like there was no no failure to the call or it just went, you know, went blank. Just [clears throat] never heard heard anything from him. >> Okay. Did And you said you tried to call him back? >> I tried to call him back a couple times [clears throat] >> from your cell phone number. >> Rogan's account placed Alex at the kennels just minutes before the murders, directly contradicting his claim that he had been away from the area. For the first time, investigators had reason to question whether Alex had been truthful about his movements that night. But Rogan's statement alone wasn't enough to prove Alex had lied. It was simply one witness's recollection with nothing to corroborate it. What investigators didn't know at the time was that Paul had followed through on what Rogan described. Moments before the murders, he recorded a short video of the dog's tail, intending to send it to his friend, but the video was never delivered. Instead, it remained hidden on Paul's phone until investigators recovered it more than a year later. When they finally played the recording, they heard three voices in the background. Paul's, Maggie's, and Alex's. >> Hey, he's got a bird in his mouth. >> Hey, Bubba. >> It's a guinea. >> There's a chicken. >> Come here, Bubba. >> Come here, Cash. >> Come here, Bubba. Quit. >> Although investigators had not yet uncovered the video, Rogan's statement had already cast serious doubt on Alex's alibi. As they worked to verify his account and better understand the family's dynamics, investigators began interviewing his relatives one by one. The first was Alex's brother, Randy. I think I heard you earlier say that Alec was still at the law office when you left. >> I think he was still there. And again, many times when I leave, Ella will be there. When he leaves, I'll be there. Um I know for a fact we talked we talked about him visiting daddy because he was wrong that he can't go visit daddy. Daddy's in the hospital. I said, "You going to Savannah?" And he's like, "No." You know. >> Yeah. Um, but but as far as what time it was, >> you know, I would defer to the camera, honestly. I mean, >> as I sit here, if I had to guess, I'd say it was probably 5:30 to 6, but I don't know that. >> Yeah, I definitely still So, it wasn't like dark dark like >> at that time. No, it was not late late. >> Yeah. At some point, you get a phone call from ELC. Okay. Um, and I hate to revisit that phone call, but kind of go through that with us. >> I know it was just a little bit after 10:00 because later that night, meaning on Monday night when I'm standing out at Alex's place at Moselle and just believe, you know, I remember trying to look and see when that phone call was. I think I probably actually saw the phone call then and it was just a frantic frantic phone call from him. But in those phone calls, and I think it was in the first one, he said Maggie and Paul have been shot. And at some point, either in that call or in the next call, he said they shot Maggie and Paul and that they might be dead. >> And I remember trying to talk to him and say, "Elec, are you okay? And I might have asked him. Oh, not a might have. I'm going presume I asked him. No, I know for a fact I asked him because I know his answer. His answer is yes, I've called 911. So I asked him, "Have you called 911 to know what I needed to do and he had already called 911." I think we probably ended it with me saying, "I'm coming right now. I'll be there in a few minutes." >> I know. I talked to Ellen and told them I'm on my way and he was saying what he already believed, but it was like I don't remember what the words But basically, he was telling me that they're shot and and I think they're dead. And it was it was not a calm conversation. It was a very frantic conversation and it was I think I recall it was a lot shorter conversation. Not that the first one was all that long. I was able to find him. >> Yeah. >> And there were responders already there. >> Yeah. Who else for the family was there at that point? >> Anyone else? >> I don't think anybody was there. I found him and we just hugged and cried and and and then when we stopped, I could see I could see the white sheet up ahead. I didn't know who was where. I mean, and I still couldn't believe that it could be true. It appeared to me, and I never asked him whether he did this. It looked like to me he would call people or start to call people, or maybe he was just pulling it up and had them on there about to call but couldn't couldn't make the calls. Um, and so I called a few people for him and one of the calls was to his son, Buster, >> and he was in the hospital by himself. And so I went home and I sat with for however long, 30 minutes or 45 minutes or something. We just hugged and couldn't believe that it to be possible. And I got up a little after 6, [snorts] got ready to go to the hospital and I went down to the hospital and I was with my dad the rest of the day. >> Yeah. I say dad didn't take it well. No, he didn't take it well, but he was so sick. He was so sick that he uh I could tell he was upset, but I mean he you you you would not have known if you were sitting beside us. Um in fact, you would think my daddy wasn't very intelligent because he said, "What happened to somebody?" you know, >> you know, it's like he couldn't quite put it together. But, but when I told him, he also had just come out of a procedure. He's coming off of anesthesia and um and my dad is not an unintelligent person. It's like he was like he couldn't believe it, just like the rest of us. But also like he couldn't he wasn't comprehending it. I say it in my experience after the boating accident much crap was made up and said to create news. I was just worried that he would see some kind of crap on the TV or even just see a a real reporting of it. Okay. a legitimate for him, which would be just as harmful for him, but uh also didn't want him to get a text. I didn't want him to get a phone call. And so it was a dilemma. And make a long story short, I didn't tell him until after he was finished with that procedure. And and uh unfortunately that procedure confirmed that treatment won't go helping him. ask too many questions or get too far in the weeds with with things, but um about Alec and his family, particularly his relationship with Maggie. Um and I don't have it straight. Are >> you what? >> I don't have it straight. Is Maggie and Alec together still or are they >> What do you mean? >> Like are they still married or they like how do you know anything about you know their family situation >> before this event? >> Yes, before the event. >> Yeah, they're still married. They're still living together. As far as I know, they don't have any problems. >> Okay. Um no marital issues or anything. And I'm sorry I crying questions, but we got to ask them. Nonetheless, >> none that I'm aware of at all and I would know. >> Yeah, absolutely. You would know because I mean it's obvious that you and Alec are very close. >> We are close. >> Um, so I would expect him to, you know, if there were any issues with the family, he would probably share that with. >> Well, I think you would see it, too. >> Yeah. So, none none of that. Um, obviously Paul had his own set of problems. I'm not we're not here to, you know, bring up old events or or talk about, you know, the troubles he was in or anything like that, but Al, you know, Paul had his own set of issues. We know that. >> Yeah. I don't know if I'd call it that. Paul made some bad decisions one night and >> and it led to a a grave set of circumstances. Um he put >> his friends in a bad >> bad situation. Yeah. >> And with events that I don't fully understand that accident happened. >> Mhm. >> I don't know exactly >> how it happened, but I know it happened because of what he had done earlier. >> Yeah. >> You know what? But >> so >> those became issues because >> you know, you hear or see or read >> what I call loud mouths on social media, which I think are people that probably have something wrong with them >> and they're behind a computer screen and saying stuff they shouldn't say. >> Yeah. >> Um and and while those might be the loudest, they're certainly not the majority. But when you read some of that stuff, there's some really sick people. I tend to think people are good people and there's a few bad people out there. >> Sure. >> I can't imagine that people that write that crap could do something, but I don't know. I don't know. There's some really there some really you look at some of the stuff after this >> there some really sick people. >> I don't know how they feel because all you hear is their lawyer talking and not them. >> But do I think that do I think that Philip or Renee could just No. No way. >> Yeah. >> Beat Mr. Beach. >> Mhm. >> Parents. No. I don't think there's any possible way the two of them. Is there some weird person out there, sick person that gets pumped up by all this crap that said that might do it? I don't know, you know. I mean, there's bad people. I don't know. I don't know who they would be. >> So, I don't know. I don't know of enemies, but I do know >> that um Paul would get threats all the time. Yeah, I've heard Alex say that he continues to get but what what does that mean when you know >> investigators next turned to Alex's son Buster and his brother John who described the family's relationships and shared their observations in the months leading up to the murders. >> I got a phone call from him. My wife and I were watching television. Um he called me. He was going to check on our mom. Uh whether y'all know or not who has Alzheimer's dementia. Um my dad I checked him into the hospital that day and he was checking on her because she's very anxious and you know he was just you know calling me to kind of you know give me an update like he we all kind of communicated about that and we didn't talk long. He um you just told me what he was doing and and he and you asked about him us talking. He then of course called me later. >> Mhm. >> Once all this >> Okay. What time did he call you later? >> You know, we were still watching television. So it would have been closer to 10, I would guess. >> Okay. >> He just described he said he says, "John, Paul and Maggie have been have been shot, have been hurt, is just total panic." And he said, "Please get here as fast as you can." >> Okay. I did. I just got dressed as quick as I could. >> Okay. Okay. H how do you how often do you interact with Paul? >> Quite often. Okay. Paul Paul was working for me this summer. >> Okay. And and and in what capacity was Paul working for you? >> Just summer work. >> Okay. And which which company is he working? >> For Murdoch Reynolds in Okati. He's worked for me two maybe three summers now. >> Okay. Was was he how how was he doing? I mean, now look, I know that in no way are we trying to speak ill of of of anybody that's been involved in this, but obviously something has happened of a violent nature that we have to kind of get a better understanding of who these people are, right? >> And there's no there's no good way to ask, did you ever have any did you ever witness any any behavior that was you talking about mad behavior? Yes. No. No. Not at all. Not at all. In fact, he's he he was an asset. He was a joy. I mean, customers love talking to him. >> Okay. >> He he was probably a lot friendlier than anybody else because we're there. We're there. We're doing it every day and he's there for the summer. >> Okay. >> Nothing of of any concern. I mean, with with Paul. Now, let me ask you, was there any issues with with Maggie? I mean, how was do you know of any of her friends that she might have associated with or hung out with or >> Well, she's very close with my wife. >> Okay. Okay. you know, they they communicate regularly. Um, >> what about with with Maggie? Any any weird any indifferent behavior recently that >> I didn't have enough contact with her. Okay. You know, we >> I would see Maggie on special occasions, you know, >> things like that. I didn't communicate with her like like my wife does. >> Okay. and and nothing that that has your wife ever and has your wife ever said anything that hey something seems off or >> No. >> Okay. I'm going to have to ask you some questions about Alec as well. Sure. >> Can can you think of anything of of concern that the family that I mean any any issues that Alec might be going through? Any any changes in his behavior recently last couple months? You know, again, he's been dealing with the same issues with the >> And for this for the purpose of this interview, what issues uh are you talking about? >> The the gossip that's been going around >> about the >> about the boating accident. >> Okay. Um other than that, you know, he's he's rock solid. Okay. Um and now let me ask you this. I don't know him. Um, but anytime you have someone who's obviously something happened on on this property, um, you know, and it's has has I asked Alex behavior the last couple months. You said he he seemed rock solid. Um, any has he ever voiced any concerns about about being in fear for his safety or anything like that? >> Nothing that that I would remember. It must not have been significant. If he No, he would have said something. He they he's you know he's just not that type. He's you know he's the strong strong he's the strong one. >> Well um and and um let me any any issues with alcohol uh you know medication anything like that that >> not that I'm aware of. Okay. My dad sent a text message that contained my girlfriend and I I believe and it said call me urgent. Call him and then he tells me what has happened. >> You still have that text message? >> I do. So you call him and he tells you. You remember what he what he told you? >> He when I got on the phone, he asked me if I was sitting down and I was asking him if everything was okay. Is anything wrong? And he said something terrible has happened. I could tell that he was emotional. He goes on to tell me that my mother and brother have been shot and killed. And it gets to the point and then he hands the phone to my uncle Randy and then he proceeds to tell me the same thing and I told them that I am getting my stuff prepared and that I am on on the way home. >> When your father called he he did make mention to Paul receiving threats. Um he said he said something about he's been receiving threats and he said something um about my son knowing who they are. And I I think he kind of makes reference to you knowing something about those threats. And I don't know if you're aware of that or whatever, but but it kind of brings me to the next thing here and that's why a little bit why I asked you about your thought process just now. Um and certainly you've had more time to talk about it and process it since that time. But um I'd like to talk a little bit about about that comment and those feelings and and these threats and so forth. And there may be multiples. It may be one significant one, but um I'll let you start. Um cuz I see you nodding. You must have something in mind. >> Well, I understood when he used to tell me what happened. I didn't understand of anybody, you know, directly messaging him and threatening in his in his life and things of that such. things that I knew about were, you know, if he was out somewhere, somebody would, you know, brush up with him, you know, call him, you know, piece of and all these other things. And, you know, that was mostly my understanding of what he was going through is that he would have he would try to go places with his friends and then there was always somebody there that wanted to, you know, make a comment or stir something up and in in that sense. Okay. So he never tells you about like I got a text message somebody threatening me. I never got somebody DMing me or sending something on social media or driving by the house or spray painting something or any any I mean anything overt like that that somebody was threatening. >> No sir, he never told me anything about any anything like that. I never was aware of anything like that. >> But he would tell you about people maybe intimidating him or or or making those kind of comments and stuff like that. >> Yes, sir. >> Along those lines. Um, >> there had actually been several physical assaults on call. >> Okay. >> I don't know any detail. >> Do we know if if any of them had actually been reported to authorities? >> I do not know. I know that there was at least one physical assault in Charleston. First, I don't know if you were aware of that or not. >> I I was aware of that. >> And Danny, real just briefly, I apologize. I'm so terrible with last names. Can I Henderson Henderson? >> Thank you, Danny. I appreciate that. I'll get you my m as well. >> Okay. So, let me let me run some just some specific stuff by you here. Um, we all know about the boat incident and and I'm not trying to assume too much, but I'm guessing that that a lot of these threats and so forth are coming as a result of that boat incident as one of the primary things. Am I wrong in that? >> That's always what I thought >> that that's been 100% of it, you think, or or has there been other reasons or >> I think that's been the cause. >> Okay. Um, as far as the other passengers on that boat, um, Anthony and Connor and and the other girls and so forth on there, did you ever have any or did he ever express any specific concerns about any of them posing a threat, threatening and being frightened of them? Um, anything along those lines specifically related to those people? >> No, sir. Did Paul have any other that you're aware of? any other enemies, rivals, anybody else who you've considered or thought about or that he's directly told you about that might have went on. >> No, I mean, I know there's a lot of people that you can look up on, you know, Facebook that say all these terrible things and whatnot. Their names I I couldn't relay to you. I just, you know, I know there were a lot of people out there that were upset about the things that had happened in and and and had expressed that to him in in public situations. Now, I don't know any of them by their name. >> Was Paul taking any kind of precautions about these threats? I mean, was he I mean, I've been out to the area and y'all are all avid hunters and so forth. Obviously, there's a lot of weapons around the house and so forth. Was Paul taken any other like precautions or anything to protect himself from these sort of things? I mean, >> I don't think so. I mean, really, I'd say the only only precaution he took is anytime he went somewhere where these things were were known to happen, he would just be around a bunch of his buddies that would be able to, you know, [snorts] deescalate any situation that arose. >> Generally speaking, starting with, you know, your family's obviously been under a lot of pressure over the last year or so here. um all or more than a year here, but obviously since the boat accident, things have been difficult. Um publicity, I have to imagine that that does put some kind of strain on everyone and pressure and then you had the threats on top of that. Um I know this sounds a little personal, but if I don't ask it, somebody else will make up something. That's why I'm asking questions. >> I'm just asking it. Were there any family problems that you were seeing that that might have been a cause of that stress or or fights where or you know any things like that just in general? >> No sir. No family problems. I mean obviously people are going to be upset about it but no it it never caused any tension between any of us >> that you can see. >> Yes sir. >> While the interviews were underway investigators continued processing the crime scene and uncovered several key pieces of evidence near the kennels. They found a camouflage Benelli Super Black Eagle three shotgun that they believed was involved in the crime. Investigators determined that Paul had been shot twice with a shotgun. Evidence suggested he was standing when the shots were fired, one of which caused a catastrophic head injury. Two spent shotgun shells were recovered near his body. Maggie had been shot multiple times with a330 blackout style rifle sustaining wounds to her head, back, and leg. The use of two different firearms immediately raised questions. >> And and had there any been any change in the family dynamic recently? anything that you know we're kind of grasping at any type of you know when when when family members are shot in in a way that they were shot it tends to be you know this doesn't seem like a random >> right >> you know there's you know we've had we've had a lot of health issues with my parents but but if anything well we've always been such a close strong family but if anything has has made us you know stronger and closer All right. Um, were there any issues, marital issues between Alec and Maggie? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> Okay. Any any issues that had developed between Paul and and Alec? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> And any issues that may have developed between Paul and Maggie? >> Again, not that I'm aware of. >> Paul was pretty open with me about most things. And if Paul knew something, I probably would have known. >> Okay. No. >> And he hadn't said anything to you recently about No. All right. Um, do you know if Paul is uh um The only negative thing he said was about that C CD CB. >> Okay. And did he say anything? >> You know, again, it makes your mind wonder after the fact, but um but I think he I think he was agitated. I think they were they were agitated that that he messed up the they had that been messing up. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, and again, this has been kind of put in my head after the fact. >> Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, >> but I did, but Paul did tell me, you know, he he says, "Listen, he sprayed the duff and I damn it, I got to go plant it again." That kind of, you know, that kind of >> talk. >> But the thing is is that like, >> but but no no harsh words like, you know, no brush ups or anything like that. >> So, he hadn't had any brush ups with CB or anything like that? >> No, not that I know of. >> That you're aware of. Okay. Okay. Um, and would Paul have been uh over at Moselle? So, like if if if CB was going to get fired or spoken to, would Paul be the one to do it or >> No, I'm sure not. >> Let's ask about the guns. Um and and you know, did did you know Paul to uh to to to travel with guns? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, I know. It's um What type of gun would you you know, would you I know it's kind of a vague question to ask, but is there anything >> would he normally have in his truck? I I would assume a shotgun. >> Um shotgun if he's like me. I I either keep a shotgun or 22. I mean, we're always we have farms. We're always shooting pigs and >> whatnot. >> Um would have you ever been down to those dog kennels before? >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. Was he known would he would he walk from the house down to the kennels? Would that would that be normal for him to be down there? >> Well, for him to be at the dog kennel? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, he I think I think that's probably, you know, and again, I'm only speculating, but >> but Paul was a he was an outdoors person. >> And then would it be normal for Maggie to be down there as well? >> Well, I've since then, you know, in the conversation we've had, I found out yes, it is it is normal for her to go down there. >> Okay. How would they normally get down there? Would you know? >> Based on what I've heard since Monday is Paul would always drive something and and it didn't matter. And it sounds like that if it had keys in it and gas in it, he would drive it. >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, and there was no one one favorite. >> But you don't know how he would have driven down there. >> You talking about then? Yeah. That night? >> No. Okay. Do you know if Maggie? Would she carry a gun when she >> I [clears throat] don't think Maggie was a hunter or shooter? I think she's >> Okay. Okay. >> He was a lady's lady. >> But if if if Paul was coming from the house down at the kennels, you'd expect him to have a gun. I >> mean, he wouldn't carry a gun just because he was going there. But if he were in in his truck and he's riding the property, I I would assume that he's not gonna ride that property without a gun, >> you know, and just and not for safety reasons, for, you know, again, it's loaded with hogs and >> for practical purpose, >> you know. Well, it's just kind of it's kind of what you do. I mean >> No, I understand. I understand. I mean, you you have you have 1700 acres. >> Yeah. I mean, that's >> you're going to drive around and you're going to have you because if you have to get out for something. >> That's right. Whether you shoot snakes or whatever. Mhm. >> Um, but yeah, I I it would it would amaze me or it would have I would be surprised if he were in a vehicle riding the property and didn't have a gun. >> Okay. Okay. Do you keep any other weapons in your vehicle as you're traveling back and forth? Uh, >> no, sir. >> Nothing for personal protection, anything like that up there? >> No, sir. >> How about your brother? Um, you know, do you have any idea what guns he >> he owned or which ones were his? >> Um, a little bit more than I did. I know he's got I know he's got same thing. 12 20 gauge. I think his are both Benelli. I know he's got >> think both of you have 20 gauge Brady. You think he's got 20 gauge? >> I know he's got I think he's got a 20 gauge. I think he's got a 20 gauge Benelli. >> I don't know cuz a lot of them dad buys and we just use them as like commutal. >> Yeah. And but the ones that I guess he said what would be his is I know he's got a 20 gauge Beretta very the same one as mine. We just have two of them. >> And then he's got uh 12 gauge Benelli >> and he's got he's got a couple he's got a 270 short mag. He's got a 7 mm08 and obviously he had one of the blackouts that is missing. >> You know when that went missing? >> No, I know it wasn't it wasn't far off from when we got him in Christmas. Maybe 6 months to 8 months maybe to a year after that. So it's you know multiple years it's been gone. You said one year Christmas. Did you say what year? >> It would have been the Christmas of >> would have been the Christmas of 2018. >> What? >> I want to talk about the kennels. Um, and obviously, you know, that's where that's where things happen down there. >> Yes, sir. >> I just want to talk about maybe some routines down there. Your mother um your mother frequented the kennels, I suppose. Is that >> my mom did frequent the kennels when she was in Moselle? She loved to go down there and, you know, she would let the dogs out and do all that. So, she was down there often. >> What's your mother, if we can talk about her for a moment, um, just digressing from the kennels just a little bit, did her dayto-day as you understood it, did she have any kind of work she did, side jobs, volunteering, um, anything that she passed her time with? >> Nothing like that. She would just, you know, her dayto-day were, you know, getting things for us done that we needed. She was doing some inside stuff with a interior decorator and also some contractors. Yeah, they were redoing some ceilings and some some flooring and stuff like that. And then she had gotten a decorator in there and they were doing that. And then her most recent thing is she was getting a couple guys couple local builders were fixing the uh porches >> and the staircases. So there was really nobody else like she would confide in or like if something was wrong, you know, with it with Did you know of anybody she'd like call up and say, "Hey, I got to get this off my chest." Or anything like that? >> No. Nobody other than those people that I've that I've named. >> Okay. >> When she would go to the kennels, I mean, was there was there a set routine to how she did that or so forth? >> I don't think so. And I I I don't know. I I didn't go with her all the time. I just think she, you know, and she also liked to she would she would like to walk. She would walk from the house to the kennel. She would like to do that for exercise. And then when she got down there, I think she just kind of played with the dogs. She would maybe feed a dog, spray out a kennel if she needed to. If it was dirty, she'd walk up there. Um sometimes, I'm assuming we used to get packages at the shed. Maybe she would check for packages dogs themselves. I mean, were any of them did any of them specifically belong to any specific members of the family or >> um Well, we would we would kind of title them that way, but they were all just family dogs. Like my black dogs up there who I who I claim is mine, but other than that, I know Bubba was a family dog. Paul just had gotten a dog, but he's off at obedient camp. Um my grandfather's dog would be out there often. My buddy Rogan's dog would be out there often because he worked all day and he would check them into the kennel and then come get him in the evening. And then we had a couple >> is uh >> Rogan Gibson. >> Where does live? >> Um he's been going in between, but his his house is out on but he's um the way his work's lined up, he's been staying with his girlfriend and because he's been working more He has a dog out there as well. >> He does. He just got a He just got a puppy and he'll, you know, he'll he'll put it out there if he needs to go do something for a little while. >> And would it be unusual for Paul to be down there around that same time as far as you know? >> No. Paul Paul was always around, you know, maybe not the kennel, but around that shed area. He, you know, he liked to work on stuff. So, he was usually around any given time around there. >> And I I asked these questions to to lead to something you may have thought about. I mean, when you when you found out about this this terrible thing that's happened and so forth and you found out that they were down there, was was their presence down there of any kind of surprise to you? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Buster, do you know anybody who would have wanted to harm your mother? >> No, sir. Any issues? Like, say somebody's out there firing a weapon or something like that? Anybody ever accidentally shoot any of those buildings in the past or something like that? Let a round off or accidentally put one through a wall somewhere or something? >> Any of the shed buildings? >> Yeah, any of the buildings out there? Never that I was aware of >> anybody that did was it common uncommon for anybody to shoot out like in the yard so forth? I mean like just just out there on the I know obviously there was shooting for hunting and stuff but out there in the grounds I mean was it like around the area of the shed >> around the shed around the house around the processing area? Any of those areas? I mean >> well um by the house we do it like that's kind of where we did our ski shoot shooting. >> Okay. >> Is over there by the house. But no, we didn't we didn't fire many. I mean, I know we I never shot anything real close to the shed or anything like that. >> Do you think maybe someone was after your brother and your mom happened to be down there? Like like like what is >> I would say if I had to have a take that's probably what it would be. >> I think that someone was probably trying to kill my brother and that my mom was probably just there. >> You think that was because of the boat? >> Yes, ma'am. And I'm sorry for asking that, but you know, y'all knew that. >> I'm sure you thought a little else. I mean, to some degree. [snorts] >> All right. Well, one thing I need to do, and we're asking this of everybody today, um, is, as you know, we've collected a lot of evidence down there at the scene. Um, and because it's a family property that people have frequented here and there, as we gather evidence and we get things like DNA, we need to get elimination samples from the family members here. And the reason why is that if we run something and it comes back unknown person, we have to find out who that unknown person is. If it comes back to a family member, I'm going to expect to some degree that family member DNA is going to be in common areas. Something in val kennel, something on a a shared weapon that people touch, something in a vehicle drove. So, what I'd like to do while we're here today is get what's called a buckle swab from me. Do you know what that is? >> I don't. >> It's a long cotton swab. I've got them in the back. Um, and what I'll do is I'll just rub the inner side of your cheeks. We'll put it in a bag and it'll get sent up and run as comparison evidence for everybody. And if you have any problem submit to that today? >> No, sir. I'm good. >> Is there anything you want to ask us? >> No, ma'am. >> As the evidence continued to build, Alex was brought back for two additional interviews on June 10th and August 11th, 2021. During those interviews, investigators revisited his timeline and compared his statements against the growing body of digital and forensic evidence. >> Let's start Monday morning and and take me through your day. >> Monday morning, uh, you know, did I do Monday morning? Um, my wife and my older son had gone to the baseball games that weekend. >> Mhm. Um, uh, you know, I I really can't remember what I did money. I know I went to work, >> but you know, I think I was dragging a little bit from the weekend and but I went to work. >> Um, I usually mess around on my farm and then I go to work. Um, I was at work. Um, >> you [clears throat] know, were you that office in Hampton or? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I was at my office in Hampton. Um, uh, you know, I mean, I was just at my office doing >> legal work. >> Yes, sir. I'm sure I can go back and probably recreate some specifics if you need me to, but I can't like sit here and recall on the top of my head exactly what I was working on. I know one thing I was working on um was we had some we had some big motions coming up in a um Dominion Energy case. I was getting ready for those and uh I was getting ready for some motions. I'm a defendant in a civil case involving my son. I told you about the boat wreck. >> Yes, sir. >> And there were some motions coming up in that on Thursday and I was mostly just getting ready for those things and then other junk. >> Uh what time did you leave the house to go to the office? >> I'm not sure. >> Uh who who all was at the house when you left? to go to my office that morning >> or when you got up, who was at the house? >> I'm sure my wife was. Um, and I can't remember if Blanca had made it out there yet or not. >> And who is Blanca? >> Blanca is our housekeeper. >> Okay. Okay. >> And she comes different. She doesn't have set hours, but she comes most days. um she'll be able to tell you if I was there when when I when she left or not. I I just I can't remember. >> And so you you went to the office, you did, you know, some motions. Uh what time did you leave the office? >> I left a little bit earlier than normal because my son Paul was coming home. >> Okay. >> Um cuz he had not been with us during the weekend and he was coming home. we were going to um we were going to replant some sunflowers the next day. Okay. And so he was calibrating doing and getting everything ready. Um so he got home a little early. I left a little early so he and I could knock around and we knocked around for, you know, just doing things we like to do out there. At some point we were all back at the house together. Um Maggie had gotten home and you know we sat down, we ate supper, which we usually eat supper together. Um so um the one thing I remember I don't know how much detail y'all want. So if I start talking about something that you don't need, just tell me and I'll move to something else. >> The the more detail the better. Sir, >> so Paul has been having um high blood pressure >> and his mama was worried sick about it. So we were actually, you know, this was a direct thing getting him he doesn't like to go to doctors making him go get his blood pressure checked. His feet had swollen up recently. Wow. >> So you know that was it was it was a big huge deal. >> Okay. >> Uh you know we hung around the house for a little while. Uh I know that Maggie went to the kennels. Um, I don't know exactly where Paul went, but he left the house, too. >> Okay. How did Maggie get down to the kennels? >> I don't know exactly, but on normal occasions, she would drive drive a buggy, drive a four-wheeler, or very common for her to walk. >> Okay. How about Paul? What's >> Paul? Wasn't much of a walker, but he would use all of the others. >> Okay. Um, but it it I mean it could be anyway, you know. I >> I don't know exactly. >> What did you do once once Maggie and Paul left? >> I stayed in the house. >> Okay. >> And I was watching TV looking at my phone and I actually fell asleep on the couch. >> Okay. And what time did you, >> you know, I don't know wake up exactly what time I woke up, but when y'all get my phone, >> you know, I think one of the first things I did when I got up was call Maggie. >> Mhm. >> Because I was going to my mom's. >> Um, and I know I texted her cuz I checked my phone. And what time do we say the text was, Jim? It's like 9:06. >> I don't I didn't see it. >> Yeah, I got it written down for you the other night. >> I showed you the other night, didn't I? Yes, sir. I got this. >> So, you know, I texted her. So, I called her just before that >> and I mean she she didn't answer at that point. Um and I left to go to my mom's. >> Okay. >> I y'all will just have to look. I I don't I'm not sure if I called Paul. >> Well, and that and that's why we're getting the phone so we can nail down the times and and everything. >> So, I left I drove uh well, you know, I'm going to tell y'all this even though I think it's kind of crazy. You know, I was certain that I heard them pull up. I know that I called some people on the way. I know I returned a call from my brother John. Um, I know that I called Chris Wilson. Um, I know that I talked to Buster. Um, so I made a few phone calls. >> Okay. And >> where was Buster? >> Buster was in Rock Hill. >> Okay. Is that where he lives or >> No, he lives in Colia, but he just started a new job. I left my mom's and uh I went back home. I got to the house. I went inside. Nobody was there. I got in the car. I went back to the kennels. And you know, >> and you when you went back to the kennels besides Maggie and Paul, did you see anybody, any cars? >> I didn't see anything right then. No, sir. >> Take your time. >> You know, I saw Maggie and I saw Paul laying down. I knew, you know, I didn't know. You know, I knew it was bad. I went over there and, you know, I saw it. >> Yeah. And you know, I called 911. >> Okay. >> And what what made you decide to go back to the house and get a gun? >> Yeah. I I I just think the whole scene had me freaked out. >> Okay. Did you you take your car back up there or did you run up there? >> No, I drove. >> Okay. And of course, the shotgun that we have is the one you brought back. >> They were asking me earlier. I'm not sure which one it was, [clears throat] >> Jim. It was a 12 gauge. Yeah, Ronnie had the question if it was 12 or 20. It was a 12 gauge. >> And it was that camo, right? >> Yes, sir. I think it was the uh 12 um camo. Benelli Benelli. >> Benelli, I think. I can tell you this in riding around with Paul, he was his normal bright, you know, just he was a really great kid. >> So, being a dad myself, what was the biggest issue you had with Paul when you had when you had to call him down and and scold him or correct him? What was the biggest issue you had with Paul? you know, I mean, I irresponsibility, you know, um he was ADHD. He was bad about jumping from and he had so many wonderful qualities now, but he was bad about jumping from he'd start this, maybe not quite finish it, move, do something else. And you know, you'll find out from his friends, he had clothes strung out all over the state. He did that with clothes. He did that with guns. He did that with my boats. >> He lost everything. >> So >> he lost what? >> He He would misplace stuff or leave stuff behind, right? >> Yes. Everywhere. Everywhere. I mean, he would go off for the weekend. Sometimes he wouldn't pack clothes cuz he's got clothes in somebody's house. I mean, Paul Paul was one he like he he wouldn't understand how you go out, you know, you and one you and a girl go out on a date. He he he he liked the crowd. >> Paul Well, no, Paul was in Charleston, so he didn't hang out with y'all that weekend. >> No, sir. >> [clears throat] [snorts] >> And what time did Maggie get back home? Monday night. >> It was it was after Paul and I had gone. She was not there when Paul and I left to go mess around. >> Okay. >> So, you know, it was sometime after that. So there was a point when you know she got back, we got back. >> When y'all got back from riding around and messing around on the farm, she was she home or >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, and I don't believe she'd been home too long when when >> And what's her car? That Mercedes that's out there? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. How is your relationship with Maggie? >> Very good. >> As good as it could possibly be. I mean, you know, we had our issues, but wonderful. >> And I'm just trying to understand the family dynamic. >> I understand you got to do what you got to do. I promise. >> What was y'all's biggest arguments? would would what your biggest AR the things that y'all would argue about the most what would they be over? >> I mean, we really didn't argue, but the basic I'd say the really the only thing that caused any friction between us is she was always wanting us to go and I love her in-laws. I mean, they're wonderful people. I love them to death. She was always wanting to go there, stay there a little longer than me and the boys wanted to stay. That was really and and it really, you know, she'd get really she'd get ticked off. >> Yeah. >> I mean, she was a wonderful girl and a wonderful wife. She was a great mother. [clears throat] She, you know, she didn't work and and and she always said it was her job since she was privileged enough not to work. She was going to make sure she took care of me and the boys. And I mean, she did everything. [cough] She did absolutely everything >> that afternoon [snorts] or during the time you and you and uh Paul were right. >> Yes, sir. >> Did y'all did you go up to around the kennels or anything? Did y'all do anything uh up toward the kennels? [snorts] >> I'm sure we did. you know, my that's our main shop is, you know, right there. But, you know, I mean, we're normally in there for long times tinkering. And I will say that particular day, we we did not tinker around there a bunch. >> Let's start with what was in your house on Monday. >> Okay. Whatever was in my house on Monday is exactly what was there minus one shotgun >> that I got that y'all got. >> Okay. [clears throat] No guns had been moved for, you know, there hadn't been any guns moved in and out of there other than when Paul was home. You know, when Paul came home, he he would ride around and shoot hogs a lot. Um, >> he shoot hogs with, >> you know, I mean, primarily he would shoot them with Buster's gun >> cuz Paul Paul had a 300 Blackout. Okay. >> And It got, you know, he says it got stolen. >> Which [snorts] leads me to Let's go back to Paul right quick while we're on him. So, we have his phone. >> Do you know his passcode? >> I don't. And I'm going to tell you this right now. There's a few people I can point you to. Yeah. >> But I can tell you that he was super super super secretive with that. I mean, cell phone. I asked his brother if he knew it. Did Did the ones that they got the other day didn't >> when >> did y'all get any the other day? >> Not for Paul's fault. >> Okay. >> If you you believe somebody gave us a code for Paul's >> or a possible code for Paul's. >> Uh, you know, maybe it was Maggie's. I don't >> Okay. But I'll find out. I I will try to find out Paul's code. >> But it will surprise me greatly if somebody knows it. Did y'all get fingerprints on her phone? >> I haven't gotten that back yet. >> Yeah. I did not try to open it or anything. You know, I just I don't know how I had my mind that I needed to not mess anything up. I had that I had that, you know, somehow I had that presence of mind that I needed to not mess anything up. >> By the time investigators sat down with Alex again, the case had changed dramatically since his previous interview, they had recovered a crucial piece of digital evidence, a video recorded by Paul and later obtained from his friend Will. The footage placed Alex at the kennels with Paul at 7:56 p.m. almost an hour before the murders, directly contradicting his statement of never having been to the kennel area that night. Furthermore, the clothing seen in the video did not match what Alex was wearing when officers arrived. Armed with this new evidence, investigators brought Alex back in for another interview to confront the growing inconsistencies in his account. The update is I'm doing the investigation and I'd have some questions that I need I would like some answers to and I mean certainly if you know I asked the question if you don't want to answer it you don't have to answer it. >> No, I'm fine with that. >> Yeah. I mean it's it's more clarifications of the two interviews you've already given me. >> I totally understand. >> Okay. >> Just one second. >> Yeah. >> Wait one second. >> All right. Um, I need for you to tell me. Are you going to give us information or are we just here for you to ask questions? No, >> I'm going to give you some information. >> Right. Why can't you give us information first? >> Some of the information that you're asking about or in my questions and as we go through you'll see. >> Okay. >> I don't mind. I don't mind. >> I know you don't. I know you don't. [snorts] But I can't. I mean, I'm a friend, but I'm also a lawyer. And I I like to know what what we're doing. [snorts] >> I like to understand what [clears throat] we're talking about, >> you know. Um, >> well, what >> I need you to I need you to answer this question. >> Okay. >> Are you asking him questions to further your investigation? Are you asking him questions because you think that he is a suspect? I need a straight answer. >> I am asking these questions to further my investigation. >> All right. Does that mean that you're not asking him these questions as a suspect? cuz it >> say >> because I'm not comfortable with you asking him questions as a suspect when when I came here with the thought that you were going to be telling him where you are in the investigation. Any homicide investigation, >> you start with the closest person andor the person who found the deceased. >> Both cases, that's Alec. >> Mhm. >> Everybody stays in that investigation until we can get them out. >> Mhm. >> And right now, because of the questions that I have that I need explanations for, I cannot get Alec out. >> Okay. All right. That's a reasonable statement. I don't have any problem with that statement. That's fine. >> Yes, >> that's fine. But >> anything to help. >> All right. That's fine. >> So, I want to go back to Monday morning and you went to the office. >> Okay. >> What time did you go to the office? Who who was who was at your house when you left and [snorts] what time did you go to the office? >> Uh uh we had been to a ball game that weekend. Um, I I don't remember exactly what time it would have been. Uh, somewhere between 8:30 and 9:30, probably 10:00, maybe at the latest. >> Okay. >> Something [snorts] like that. >> And and and when I ask about time, I'm not saying, you know, it was 511 or something like that. I just >> totally understand. >> Ballpark. >> That's >> as close as you can get to it. And if if if you need to know exactly when um my there there would be a keypad that will tell when when exactly I went in my office. >> Okay. >> That [snorts] I can get for you. >> Okay. >> So y'all so you have a key fob to get in your office. >> A card. >> A card. Okay. I got you. >> But, you know, a little bit, it was probably a little bit on the later side of that if I I guess I know Maggie got up early um to get out of there cuz she had an appointment in Charleston. >> Um I just don't remember if I left right after she did or I [snorts] pled around. >> Okay. But and I already know that Paul stayed at John Marvin's that night, so it was just you and Maggie at the house. >> That's correct. Okay. Um, and I know when you were at the office, you were working on motions, and some of those motions you dealt with were for Paul's the boat boat accident or the boat case. >> I don't really I'm not really doing the legal work. >> Understand. Understand, but you know, you're Paul's dad. You're a lawyer, you're definitely going to know what's going on. >> Yeah. >> Um I mean, so what were those motions? >> I mean, did it deal with Parkers or was it the actual boat accident or >> It was the civil it was the civil case. >> Okay. >> Yeah. [cough] [snorts] >> What time did you leave and get home? >> Earlier than normal. Um I'd say 5:30. is when you left the office? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. [snorts] >> What time did Paul get home that night? >> Um, me and Paul got [snorts] there about the same time. >> Okay. Maybe he was a little bit later than me or maybe a little bit earlier than me, but it was close to the same time. >> Okay. And y'all rode around the farm. Um, and I believe you said two different trucks or two different vehicles. >> Yes, sir. >> What were those two different vehicles? >> Um, we rode in the in the white pickup truck and we rode in the black pickup truck. >> Okay. [snorts] In either one of those, did did you see any long guns? Any Take take your time. It's okay. >> Did you see any rifles or shotguns? Um, I [snorts] don't remember seeing any that day. No, we did have [clears throat] pistols. >> Mhm. [snorts] >> Yeah, cuz I know you said you went target practicing. >> Well, not really target practicing, just shooting. >> Yeah. We rode around for a couple hours, just looked at everything, all the stuff Paul did on the farm. And um we just spent, you know, [snorts] time together. >> Let me go get you some. >> I'm sorry. >> No. No. Don't fall in. Don't be sorry. >> Hey, you can do this. >> I can do it. All right. All right. [snorts] We started out going to look at the sunflowers cuz he was wor worried about the sunflowers. That was the first thing we looked at. And then we just rode. We just rode and looked at I mean we hadn't done it in a while but we just rode talked and rode talked. [snorts] What you want to talk about? >> Everything. You know, just [snorts] one of the main things he'd been having trouble his feet had swelled up and we were worried about blood pressure and stress on him and I mean he handled all this stuff so amazingly. But I mean we were just so worried about it. [snorts] But I mean we talked about that. We talked about the farm. We just talked about [snorts] everything. >> Had Paul been seeing a doctor for this week? >> No, sir. >> Were y'all trying [snorts] to get him to go? >> Trying to get him to go >> and he was resistant. >> Um, yeah, he had been resistant, but um much less so after his feet swelled up. [snorts] Very, very resistant. I mean, we had talked to him about seeing a doctor, about the stresses of everything with the boat wreck. Um, he didn't think he needed to do that. Um, [snorts] I mean, we tried to watch him really closely. Um, but he was resistant. >> What time did Maggie get back home that night? later. Um I'd say probably best I can tell a couple hours after um after us after we got there. But Maggie wasn't supposed to be coming home. I've since found out she was worried about me and me worried about my dad. >> Mhm. >> And so she came home. [snorts] >> Where where was she going to stay that night? >> At Edisto. We were having work done down there. And I wasn't 100% but it's pretty well she was going to stay at Edisto. [snorts] So, it kind of surprised you that she came back. >> It didn't totally surprise me. She had let me know earlier that she was coming home, but then I found out later why she came home. [snorts] >> She was concerned for you, >> sir. [snorts] What time did y'all sit down and eat dinner? [snorts] >> Not too long after that. Blanc had made dinner. [clears throat] >> [snorts] >> back in Paul went to the kennels or >> you know I don't know exactly how that went. Um [snorts] I stayed on the couch and I dozed off. So and then I got up. Did you watch TV that night? >> I know the TV [snorts] was I I believe the TV was on, >> but I I wasn't watching it, you know. >> [clears throat] >> There is a video on Paul's phone of um you and him on the farm that night and you were in khaki pants and a dress shirt. You were playing with a tree. >> I don't remember playing with a tree. Yeah, I guess there was a tree sapling or something that was had fallen over or bending over and you were trying to get it to stand back, stand up. Um, but I mean that the question in that is when I met you that night, [snorts] you were in shorts and a t-shirt. At what point in that evening did you change clothes? >> I'm not sure. I, you know, it would have been before dinner or after dinner. No, it would have been What time of day was that? I would have thought I'd already changed. [snorts] >> There's not a time stamp on it because there's so many posts. Um, but I want to say it's it looks to be about dusk. So, that would have been 7:30, 8:00. >> I guess I changed when I got back to the house. >> Okay. earlier when earlier [clears throat] when we spoke [snorts] and you talked about waking up from your nap and going to check on your mother [snorts] and you tried to call Maggie and you tried to call Paul and then you um sent him a or sent Maggie a text that you were going to check on your mother. You also told me that Maggie didn't normally go with you to check on your mother, but that she might might ride that night. >> Did you go by and check on her? >> Go by and check on my mom, >> Maggie, before you left to go. >> No, I didn't. >> You didn't. With her not responding to you um and thinking that she might ride with you, why didn't you? I I don't I don't uh remember having plans that Maggie was going to ride with me. Um okay, >> but maybe she had told me that she was that night. I I don't I don't recall that. I don't remember that specifically, but [snorts] um I mean it wasn't she didn't normally go with me. [snorts] I mean it's not like we had plans that she was going to ride with me or that she was going. >> Investigators also examined Maggie's phone which had been recovered along a roadside about a/4 mile from the crime scene. Its location suggested that someone had removed it from the scene before discarding it. Investigators would later determine that the phone lay directly along the route Alex's Suburban traveled that night with GPS data placing him at that exact location just 2 minutes after leaving the Mosel property. >> These are just some maps on a pulled off of Google. Okay. >> [snorts] >> What route did you take from Moselle to your mom's? I would have gone to the right on Moselle Road 63 into Barnville, turned left on the road um right before 6 or 278 601 and then in front of the school um turn right that's how I believe about winter. >> How long would you say you were at your mom's that night? >> 45 minutes, an hour [snorts] >> and you left and went back home. You make any stops on the way? >> On the way there? >> On the way to your mom's or on your return trip back home? >> Stops. Um, no. I didn't go anywhere. >> Okay. I went straight [snorts] there. I did not notice her. >> Okay. >> When earlier in the day when you were down at the at the shed in the kennels with um Paul, did y'all discuss any injuries to any dogs? Did he and I No, but Rogan Gibson told me about uh the dog's tail. >> Okay. >> And somebody saying his leg was broken. [snorts] >> Which one? Which one's his dog? >> It's a chocolate puppy, I think. >> Okay. leg wasn't Was the leg broken? >> Not that I know of. >> I can certainly see why something might be wrong with his tail because when I was out there, he was chasing his tail and putting it through the fence and trying to grab it. >> Yes, sir. >> And it was all that puppy [snorts] energy. [clears throat] When you got back to Moselle, which driveway did you enter? I went in the I went in the brick gates. >> Brick Gates, >> sir. >> And Maggie and Paul weren't there. Were Were there vehicles at the house? >> Yes, sir. >> How did they get down there that night? >> I still I was hoping you were going to be able to tell me that. >> The only thing that I can come up with is that black truck. [snorts] That Buster's old black truck. >> Yes, sir. Does it normally stay down at the farm or does it stay at the house? >> Both. >> Both. >> Both. >> Um, >> did Maggie ever walk down there? >> Maggie walked down there a lot. >> But Paul, I mean, I just it would it would if you showed me some proof that Paul walked down there that night, I would be surprised. >> Absolutely surprised. Well, thinking about Paul's health concerns, do you think Maggie could have gotten him to walk that night? Say, "Come on, let's walk with me this one time." >> You know, it's possible, but again, that would be highly, highly unusual. He would have talked her in highly unusual for him to walk. [clears throat] So when you were at the kennels, um [snorts] you were just down there with Paul and you left and went back to the house for dinner, >> you know. I mean, Paul and I were just knocking around up at the shop, the shed, the kennels, and the, you know, just the whole property. And and that was before dinner. Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> And you didn't go back down there after dinner until your return trip from visiting your mother? >> Yes, sir. >> [clears throat] >> I've got information that Paul was on the phone and Maggie was heard in the background and you were heard in the background and that was prior to 9 p.m. I >> I heard Rogan Gibson ask me if I was up there. He said he thought it was me. >> Was it you? >> At at 9:00. >> Yes, sir. >> No, sir. Not if my times are right. >> Who [snorts] do you think it could have been? >> I have no idea. >> And Rogan's been around your family for pretty much all his life. Oh, >> absolutely. and he recognizes your voice and you have a distinct voice. >> You think of anybody else that has a voice similar to yours that you may have um misinterpreted? >> No, sir. >> Investigators then intensified their questioning, pressing Alex on the inconsistencies in his account. You say here like you're talking to somebody else or something else. >> I say here. >> Here. Yes, sir. So, the dispatcher is asking you um if they're breathing, and you said no. And she asked if you did you see anyone else in the area and you said no. She asked about guns near them and you said no. And then you kind of stutter and start moving around and you said here. [snorts] I don't have any memory of saying that. I guess I'd have to listen to it to uh you know but I don't recall a dog being out. I'm certain that there was not a dog out. Um, >> and we also talked about talked about that this night. That night you returned back to the house to get a shotgun. >> Yes, sir. >> What door did you enter? >> The best that I can remember, I went in the side door um and I went straight to the gun cabinet. Were you focused on any particular shotgun or you just grabbed one? >> I just grabbed one. >> How do you normally load your shotguns? >> Avid hunters load shotguns special ways. Um different types of munitions. Um and I'm just seeing how asking you how you load yours. I mean, I normally put it in the chamber and uh and push the button. >> What types? What What type of shot do you load? >> All kinds. I mean, I've loaded bird shot, buck shot, slugs, >> ski shot >> at the same time. I mean, would you would you load like a a bird shot and a buck shot in the same load? >> Not not normally. I mean, normally you're putting in, you know, a load for whatever you're hunting. >> Mhm. The reason I'm asking about that, [clears throat] the shot shells that we recovered that night, one was a turkey load, one was a buck shot. >> I understood that >> the shotgun that you had with you that night, there was a bird shot and a buckshot. Um, when Jeff went back the next day, um, I'm not sure which attorney it was, pointed out that there had been a shotgun laying on the pool table that he had put away and pointed out the ammunition that was with that and it was a buckshot and a bird shot. And then the shotgun that we took um, for potential comparison, it was also loaded with a bird shot and a buckshot. So I have all of these consistent loads along with what's in the feed room. I call it the feed room at the kennels. Is that what you call it? >> That's that's >> okay. >> [ __ ] good enough. >> Okay. I just want if I say feed room, I just want you to know what I'm talking about. >> The night I grabbed the shelves that I could get my hands on. I I I don't, you know, I had no idea exactly what I had. >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> that I think are missing. >> Okay. And what kind of guns are those? >> It would be a Benelli shotgun, a Browning shotgun, and a pump shotgun. >> The Benelli and the Browning, are they pump or autos? >> The Benelli and the Browning are automatic. >> And the pump shotgun, what brand is that? I believe it's a Remington, but I'm not positive. >> You know, we we've talked about the shot shells. So, the cartridge casings were 300 blackout cartridge casings that were found by Maggie. >> There were also cartridge casings found by your house by the side door to the gun room and at the shoot shooting range. >> Okay. And the ones by the house and some of the ones found at the shootute range are confirmed matches to the ones found by Maggie. >> Okay. So, which gives another concern. I've got the same load as the shot shells in multiple guns and 300 blackout that match ones found on your property. So you now believe that those gun that Paul's guns were used? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And missing. >> And I understand that somebody had seen that gun recently, but you know, and I'd ask Buster about it. Um I I believe that that gun has been gone since back before Christmas. >> Mhm. Um, >> Nolan, >> dude, >> Nolan recalls Paul's first 300 going missing around Halloween at a party at Hampton. >> Halloween of 2020. >> When When did y'all >> No, that cuz that was >> No, no, no. It years. Yeah, it it's it was whatever Christmas you got it. So of 17. >> Christmas of 17. So, it was the the Halloween after in 18 is when Nolan believes it was taken out of Paul's truck. There was um another part in the 911 call. Um you made the comment, "I should have known." And the question that surrounded um dispatchers asking, "Is anybody else supposed to be at the house?" Um and you said, "No, ma'am. Please hurry." Um, and she says, "We're getting somebody out there to you." And your next comment was, "I should have known." What are you referencing in that statement? >> I don't remember saying that, but I guess, you know, all the threats and, you know, I mean, I had been convinced that this was something to do with boat wreck and, you know, all of that. >> [snorts] >> Did Paul ever get [snorts] physical with you? Ever get into a heated argument and get physical? >> One time. I mean, a a little bit where he wouldn't listen to me. >> Did you ever get physical with him? >> No, sir. about Maggie. Did Paul get physical with Maggie? >> Never. >> When you turned Paul over and his cell phone popped out and you picked it up and your statement was something like, "Um, I thought about doing something, but then I put it back down." And that was the interview, our first interview. What What were your intentions with the phone? >> I don't know. I mean, it when I when I um went up to him and the phone came out, I I don't remember having intentions of doing anything with the phone earlier about when when y'all were riding around the farm. Uh and you said y'all had the pistols in the or pistol in the truck. Y'all had shot a few times. really not target practicing but shot a few times. You said that you had uh on that day you didn't see any long guns, rifles or shotguns in the vehicle prior to that. How long prior to that did do you recall seeing guns or any guns in that vehicle? >> I mean Paul always had guns. >> Okay. So, [snorts] I mean, it was very unusual for Paul not to have guns. And when you say gun, rifles or shotguns or >> everything? >> Both. >> Okay. Yes, sir. His truck that he normally drove, [clears throat] believe it was the Platinum, went into the shop that Friday prior to Um, I think Mark Mark Ball went and got some video from Jimmy Butler's that shows Paul dropping the truck off and not removing anything from it. So, basically, he would have taken the rifles out at home. Do you know what he did with those rifles? if he would have put him in a different truck or if he put him in the house or would he have So the truck that he drove where was it parked on that Friday? So where would he have swapped everything out? >> I'm not sure. Um I'm not sure where the truck that he drove on Friday. One thing that I'm trying to understand is your timeline. Um, you said you probably went to the office 8:30, 9:00, 10:00, and you left early around 5 or 5:30. [clears throat] Um, and there's been some other timelines or times that we've talked about and you can't quite remember um, what the times are, what time of day it was. When the dispatcher asked you when was the last time you saw Maggie or talking to Maggie, you said an hour and a half, two hours ago, to me that's, you know, a set without thinking about it, you rattled off that time. Um, we're sitting here trying to figure out a timeline and you're having trouble coming up with a specific time. >> Oh, that's fair. Um, I don't I tell me again what I said to the um dispatcher. >> You said an hour and a half ago, probably 2 hours. >> And what time was that? >> That was when you were on the phone. Um, the 911 call was made at 10:06. So given two hours back that would have been eight. I mean I think that's probably about I think that's probably about about right. And so you would you believe I'm giving you an inconsistent answer? No, I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it when I'm asking you what time you went to the office that day, what time you got home. Um, you're, you know, you saying 5 or 5:30. I've gotten a card read out from the law firm and it shows you going in at 5, 5:30. >> The investigators then address several of Alex's questions before asking whether he would be willing to undergo a polygraph examination. >> Do you have the I I would like to know exactly what happened. >> Me, too. The best that I've been able to put together. >> Tell me. Looks like Go ahead. I'm sorry. I believe Paul was shot first. >> For the simple fact of where he was located. How [snorts] many times was he shot? >> Twice. >> [snorts] >> I thought they shot Maggie first cuz I could tell he shot her in the back of the head. [snorts] We may honestly never know who was first. But I think it was Paul for the simple fact he wouldn't have if if he saw his mother getting shot, he wouldn't have run to [snorts] that feed room unless that's where one of the guns was. But, you know, we've already established family guns were used. [snorts] And if they came from Paul's truck, Paul's truck was at the house. So, where where were they? >> And how did they get down there? >> And how did they get down there? >> I mean, it it's normal for y'all to leave your keys in the cars. However, if somebody showed up and did this, you're not going to take Paul's truck back to the house and leave the key in it. >> I mean, do you know that the the guns were in the truck? I mean, could they have been somewhere else? >> They could have been somewhere else. I mean, he wasn't take he didn't have his normal truck. >> Yeah. And I understand that Nolan Tutin believes he saw the uh the gun um 3 weeks beforehand. >> Mhm. >> And I haven't talked to him, but is is it is he believes it was the one that not the one that was at the house? >> His shotgun that he always kept that Paul always with kept with him. Paul primarily kept Yeah, he kept there were one of a couple of Benellis. >> It was a camo Benelli is the is the last one that Paul that Nolan saw. >> Okay. >> And a HDD some type of 7 mm rifle? >> Yes, sir. >> Do you have that one at home? >> Yes, sir. >> That's what he saw? >> That's what he saw. >> And he definitely saw it during turkey season. Yes, sir. >> Because there was some point, you know, back when it was missing at Christmas time. >> The third one's missing at Christmas time. >> Yes, sir. So, um anyway, if you saw it in March, did y'all get any kind of forensics off of anything that y'all found that >> just the rain and the >> Yeah, I mean, we we got plenty of DNA from the scene, but >> yeah, >> it's Nolan's, it's Rogan's, it's Alex, it's Paul's, it's Maggie's. It's busters. >> Everybody's been there. >> Yeah. >> David, can you tell me for sure? Um, did either one of them [snorts] live after they were shot the first time? >> Not long. >> Does that mean I The shooting happened very quickly. [snorts] Very quickly. >> [snorts] >> Is this one person, two persons, three persons? >> Step out. Just one second. [snorts] >> I've got two guns. I've got two different types of ammunition. It's hard to say. It is hard to say. I mean, neither one of them suffered very long. matter of seconds if that. >> So [snorts] David, we don't have any I mean not anything substantive that really makes you think, hey, this is a good >> No, sir. We don't, like I said, the only DNA [clears throat] we have are family and close friends. Um, we don't have any fingerprints. We don't have unfortunately we don't have any shoe wear or tire wear impress impressions because it rained that night. >> Um the only thing the only thing that we can go off of are the cell tower dumps or um I know the FBI was out and they were out on your property on Friday riding around trying to get some cell phone data. Unfortunately, all of that takes time. You know, I talked with with one guy. Um he called in and says, "Well, I I knew that Maggie's son bought a house right around the corner." I'm like, "Okay, well, no, they didn't." >> Yeah. um that Maggie had left her husband some time ago and was going to move to Florida to be closer to her father because the mother was dead. >> And I'm like, "Okay, thank you." >> Mhm. So, it's a lot of lot of that stuff. >> Yeah. People that people that want to get involved. >> Yeah. >> Um people that think they have some information. >> Um you know, and you know, especially the the manner of death. >> Mhm. They're all over the place. >> Well, I mean, you know, y'all been taking a lick in the press about not disclosing stuff, but Jesus Christ, man. >> I don't have anything to disclose. >> Well, and and you know, why you going to tell the bad guy what you got? >> Thank you. >> You know, I mean, I just don't understand it. I mean, look, >> nobody nobody wants to know more than this man right here and this man right here. still trying to figure this out. I cannot exclude the boat incident and those involved. I know that y'all are currently going through the civil portion. Um, how far had that progressed? I mean, were were y'all in the talks? Where is it was it breaking down? Um >> um can I can I say something real quick? Um I'm I know nothing about the the um any of that stuff. And um he's he's represented by lawyers in that case. >> I don't think he I I personally believe he shouldn't be talking about that unless the lawyers he's represented by participate. I don't think it's okay. See if I just kind of bring it back here. >> Okay, I tell you what. Yeah, we were laughing about that because he's laughing because I had gone to great lengths to try to that tree had gotten knocked over and I'd gone to great lengths to try to get it to um you know be upright. >> Okay. >> And um >> was that that night? because the friends that we talked to said it was posted that night. >> I'm not sure. >> Like somebody talking in the background. >> No. >> Okay. >> Like it was a call that had dropped or something. >> I just um Few more questions. >> Okay. >> Did you kill Maggie? >> No. Did I kill my wife? >> Yes, sir. >> No, David. >> Do you know who did? >> No, I do not know who did. >> Did you kill Paul? >> No, I did not kill Paul. >> Do you know who did? >> No, sir. I do not know who did. >> Do you think I killed Maggie? >> I have to go where the evidence and the facts take me. >> Understand that? And you think I killed Paul? >> I have to go where the evidence and the facts take me. And I don't have anything that points to anybody else at this time. >> So, does that mean that I am a suspect? >> You are still in like I told Cory earlier, you were still in this with with with everything that we've talked about with the family guns, the ammunition, nobody else's DNA. I have to put my beliefs aside and go with the facts. >> I understand. I mean >> another tool that we use polygraph. >> Would you be willing to take a polygraph? >> We're not going to answer that question. >> We're not answering that question. >> Understood. >> If you want if you want to discuss it, if you want to discuss it, we can have that discussion, but we're not going to answer that question. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Walk outside. >> Walk outside. Let me finish talking. If you have a question, if you have any questions, I'll hesitate to call. Okay. >> Although the August 11th interview ended without an arrest, the investigation continued to gain momentum. Over the following months, investigators gathered additional digital, forensic, and financial evidence while continuing to scrutinize Alex's statements. Investigators had collected the clothing Alex was wearing the night of the murders, a white shirt, green shorts, and tennis shoes for DNA analysis. Forensic testing revealed a blood stain on his shorts containing a DNA mixture consistent with both Alex and Maggie. During that time, Alex also became the focus of separate investigations after authorities uncovered an extensive series of alleged financial crimes, and he later staged a roadside shooting that prosecutors described as part of a failed insurance fraud scheme. As the case against him strengthened, prosecutors presented the evidence to a grand jury. On July 14th, 2022, more than a year after Maggie and Paul were killed, Alex was indicted on two counts of murder. When his murder trial began in January 2023, prosecutors argued that Alex had murdered his wife and son to distract from mounting financial crimes and gain sympathy as his legal and financial troubles were closing in. Alex admitted lying to investigators about being at the kennels, but claimed he lied because of paranoia and distrust stemming from his opioid addiction, not because he committed the murders. On March 2nd, 2023, after deliberating for less than 3 hours, the jury found Alex Murdor guilty on two counts of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. The following day, he was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole for the murders. However, the case did not end there. In May 2026, the South Carolina Supreme Court unanimously overturned Alex's murder convictions, ruling that misconduct by the former Colatin County Cler of Court had deprived him of a fair trial. The court ordered a new trial. Alex remains in prison because of his separate state and federal convictions for financial crimes. His murder retrial is currently scheduled to begin on April 5th, 2027. This concludes the report from our investigation division at Twin Scope Cops. All individuals involved remain presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Thank you for supporting verified and responsible case analysis. Your engagement helps us continue this work and we invite you to share your thoughts respectfully in the comments.