You're under >> No, no, no, no. My kids aren't here. Stop it. >> Stop it. Please wait for that. >> I can't go to jail, sir. >> I'm getting arrested. Hold on. >> It's common sense you shouldn't shoplift. But instead of lecturing on why, today, we're diving into what not to do once you've been caught in the act. From wild excuses to over-the-top reactions, these shoplifterss take getting caught to a whole new level. >> No, no, no, no. My kids are here. Stop it. Stop. Stop. >> I'm not doing this right now. I'm not doing anything. >> I am not doing anything. >> Police respond to a call about a woman allegedly shoplifting over $300 worth of merchandise from Menards on January 29th, 2025. >> Remember him? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> No way. >> Supposedly, they're together. Did that door just close? >> Yeah. Or was it? >> No, it just closed. >> Yeah. Make sure this ATV isn't stolen. Officers confront the woman at her home. She denies being at Menards, claiming she was working at an animal hospital with her sister during that time. Hi. Hi. >> How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. You got some shoes you can throw on real quick? >> No, I know. What is the problem? >> Okay. Well, the problem is All right. Um, we just wanted to come and talk to you. All right. About what happened in the Menards last night? >> What happened in the Mards? >> I'm That's what I'm asking you about. >> I wasn't even in Menards, so what are you talking about? >> Okay. All right. That's fine. Um, here's the deal. Here's the deal. >> We just called you. >> All right. >> Here's the deal. >> Okay. I was in Menards earlier today. >> Okay. That's fine. I'm talking about yesterday around like around this time like 5:30. >> Okay. I was at work yesterday. >> Till what time? >> I get off at 6 6:30. I get home. >> 6:30 and you get home. Where do you work? >> I work at Giller Animal Hospital. >> What is it? >> Giller Animal Hospital. >> Where is that at? >> It's right down the street. I work for my sister. She can vouch. I was there with her. So, what is the problem? >> I got you. Okay. Um, here's the deal. >> Police inform her she is under arrest. She panics, resists briefly, and repeatedly insists she did nothing wrong. >> I'm going to take you back to the station with me. >> I did nothing wrong. >> Okay, I'm telling you, you're under arrest. >> No, no, no, no. My kids are here. Stop it. >> Stop. Stop. >> I'm not doing this right now. I did not do anything. I did not do anything. >> You're under arrest. You just said >> I did not do anything. >> You just said you're under arrest. Brooke, you're under You want to get another charge for obstructing? >> No. For what? >> Just cooperate. >> Okay. Listen to me. >> Listen to me. >> For what? Listen to me. >> No, my dogs are a bite. Let go. Let go. I'll call my mom again. I'll call my mom. I did not do nothing wrong. >> I did nothing wrong. >> My dogs are a bite. >> I did nothing wrong. >> Turn your hand. Put your hands on your back and relax. Relax. >> You guys, >> hold on a second. Just give us a second. Okay. >> Just a second. >> What? I am not doing anything. >> Look. Look. Don't resist. Just relax for a second. >> We are. >> Can I please have a cigarette? >> Yes. Just give us a second. We're going to give we'll give you one backd. >> While handcuffing her, she pleads for a cigarette and asks what she is being charged with. Officers confirm the charge is retail theft. >> We just told you you're under arrest. >> I want Sarah, please. >> Hold on. That's not important right now. You can have one in a minute. >> We'll explain in a second. We already told her outside. >> What you do last night? They said I was in this. Stop. Stop. Stop. Who are you? >> This happened. My daughter was My daughter was in [ __ ] gas station. >> Okay. >> Can I please have Sarah, please? >> Not right now. >> Just give me a second. >> You said I could. >> You said I could. >> I didn't say right this second. I said we're going to get you and you're under arrest right now. >> Okay. Well, why am I under arrest? >> What did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? >> You're under trying to get these handcuffs and I'll tell you in a second. >> Yeah. We'll give you just give it a second. Okay. So, don't >> you guys, this is why I say don't go in those stores. >> Just tell her what the charge is. >> Look, you're under arrest for retail theft. Okay. >> Okay. But I didn't do nothing. >> Let's talk back to the station then. >> I didn't do anything. Please. I'm having anxiety. Please. >> She claims she's being mistaken for her daughter who had taken something from a gas station earlier. >> Listen, as soon as we as soon as you go out, you're coming out. We're going straight to this. >> Okay. This This isn't going to help right now. Okay. The more you operate and the quicker we back to the station, you'll be out of the handcuffs. >> I'm not going to jail. >> Let's have a conversation. No one's saying that. >> Talk first. You just >> Here's a flipflop. You can see I can't please my purse downstairs. My phone, please. >> You want your flipflop? >> Okay. [Music] >> Carriage. Carriage. >> 3B. for your daughter. >> How old is your daughter? >> She's 15. >> Okay. >> What' you say? 15. >> 15. >> No, I'm just asking. You said your kids are here. I'm trying to She just came out. >> Did they do something? >> No, we're trying to make sure that everyone's taking care of the house. >> Did she do something? I got in trouble because my daughter was at the gas station and she took something and they thought that I was the one that did something. >> Listen, this is talk to this. Officers ask about her children, ages 15 and six, to ensure they are cared for while she is taken to the station. She expresses concern about being jailed. >> Officer Tisc, should we tell anyone? >> We're going to talk back at the station where it's a little bit more. >> Please have a please. >> When we get back to the station, I can >> Is there anybody else here besides your daughter? >> Oh, my parents live right down the street. God damn it. I don't even go into you guys. >> Let me ask you a question. How many people are here beside your daughter? >> Just me and my daughter and my son. >> So, okay. your son. >> My parents are my daughter. >> How old is your son? >> He's six. But I didn't do anything wrong. >> He's six. Does your Does your daughter who's 15 normally stay with him? >> Yeah. >> And can your parents come here with your >> Yeah, but I didn't do anything wrong. >> Okay. >> They're your neighbors. >> You guys are going to keep me in jail? >> No. Talking about for the moment when we go back, we want to make sure your children >> Good. I'm sure your 15-year-old's fine, but I'm not sure if you're going to >> Yes, I'm comfortable for you, but why am I going back to the station? Do we need to call your parents for your six-year-old? >> They can call them, but what is going on? >> I just told you. >> Stop talking to me. It's his case. I'm hearing theft. >> What? First, I'll explain it to you when we do. >> We He's going to mirandize you and everything cuz that's cuz you're in handcuffs. So, we're not going to start talking. >> Am I going to jail? >> I'm just telling you what you're under arrest for right now. Okay. >> Am I going to jail? >> I never said that. >> You're going to talk to him at the police station >> right now. We're going back to talk at the station and that's that's it. Okay. I didn't do anything. I don't even go anywhere, you guys. I just go to work all the time. >> Okay. >> What am I going to do, Paige? >> Oh, the Chicago Police Department. >> They're like in my my grade. >> Police reassure her that arrangements for her children and school will be handled appropriately. She continues to ask if she is going to jail. it. I just want to try and tell you. >> Okay. All right. >> You guys need to stop messing around, man. >> Come on, bro. >> You guys give me dram. >> Come on. >> Watch the cat. I know. [ __ ] I told you it's not a funny game. >> It's not funny. >> I love you. >> They always be trying to do some stupid [ __ ] How old? You said your son is six. >> Nice. By God, did something wrong. Right. >> Where does he go to school? >> Winfield. >> Well, because we always like to let the the parents, you have to let the teachers know if there was something that happened so that they're not surprised. >> So, what am I going to jail? >> I don't know. Just something that you're police involved. >> Tell me if I want to do that. Because he didn't know that >> he has to go talk with you. You ain't got nothing on you, right? >> No. >> You got no no dope, no weapons, nothing. >> I'm not on me. >> William 3, you can send that 1046 to me. >> Hold on. Turn around. Just face the car real quick. There you go. >> 310 4. >> Officers notice her holding a spoon, which she says was for eating ice cream. They confiscate it before transport. >> I have a spoon on about to use one for your ice cream. >> Where's the spoon at? I don't know if it's still on the my best right here. >> Stop. Hang on. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. >> I was about to go eat. Why you tucking a spoon? >> Cuz I got no freaking >> I got pockets in my purse. >> I got freaking ice cream downstairs. >> Okay, gotcha. >> The woman was officially charged with retail theft and resisting arrest. The woman faces notable consequences. Retail theft can bring fines, probation, or jail depending on the value of items stolen. Resisting arrest adds extra penalties such as additional jail time or probation. Stealing may seem easy at the moment, but it always catches up with you. Resisting arrest only makes the situation worse and adds more charges. But this is still not the worst case. Just wait until you see this next one. >> Don't take it off, please. Too late for that. >> I can't go to jail, sir. >> On January 5th, 2025, Walmart staff on South Valley Drive reported a woman shoplifting. She tore off price tags, wore the items, and headed toward the exit. [Music] >> Sweater on, and then she ripped the tag off the shoes. >> Was it? She ripped the tags off the shoes and put the sweater on. >> Yeah, these chest pads, but I don't remember her name. Is >> she with that lady? Yeah, she's >> the old flower shirt. >> So that jacket is your guys >> and the shoes. >> Oh, and the shoes. >> Yeah. >> Where she going to head out? >> The other side. >> On the other side. >> She resisted slightly, pleaded with officers, and claimed she couldn't be jailed. Officers reminded her she had already been trespassed from Walmart earlier that year. >> Too late for that. >> I can't go to jail, sir. >> Stop. >> Can I get the key to my >> Stop. Can I get the key to my Please >> give me one second. >> Okay. Sorry. Why did I do that in helicopter? >> Where is she at? I couldn't on the pants right there. >> Well, too late. >> I can't go to jail. >> Should have thought. Should have thought of that ahead of >> time. Can I pick up the key? It's right there. >> Stop resisting. >> I'm not resisting. You guys not even listening to me, man. >> Well, it's not our fault. You shoplifted, is it? >> You know what, sir? Can you sit here and like have God's grace and try to figure out why people do certain things? Man, >> my shop, >> huh? >> No. >> What? >> Can you pick up my DS key, please? >> Where is it? It's >> right there. Are you standing on my Can we let >> She going inside? >> Yeah, she's still inside. Let her know. >> Huh? >> Let her know. >> I need to wait for her, though, cuz she has >> You're an adult, >> huh? >> What do you need to wait for her for? >> Cuz she has that king. You don't know who she is? >> Yeah, we saw her. She's wearing the flower jacket. You went to go give her that car. You took off those shoes. >> We were seeing in the camera [Music] and she wanted to, but I told her no cuz I will I don't want to be like a burden to her, man. >> Well, I would think being a burden is better than getting in trouble stealing. >> I don't understand. I just had >> Do you have anything in your pock stick me hurt me? >> Uh, I was grabbing out my my my my thing for you. I'll get it. But do you have any? >> Okay. >> I'm going to use the blade of my hand on the back of my hand as best as I can. Okay. Yeah. >> Nothing in your waistband or anything? >> No. There's um I was putting in the outfit and there's a there's a couple there's a flash. >> You have foil lighter and plastic straw. You don't need drugs. >> No, you can check this. I don't need drugs at all. So, I have to beat you up. I pick up the parts all the time for the kids. You can go ask anybody, y'all. Pick up the heat and everything. Right there is from what happened earlier. So, you can see I'm during a search, officers found items like a foil lighter and plastic straw. She denied drug use, explaining she often picks up discarded needles. >> Not lying, but yes, my husband. Horrible day. Trust me, this won't happen again. We'll take the ejector off. Yeah. Let's [Music] see right here. >> Where's the other lady at? >> She's >> What's your first name? >> 11:30 today. to the he try to hang me and I'm sorry man I'm trying to >> look as long as you have no warrants probably just going to get a crib site >> she revealed she was homeless battling cancer and had been assaulted by her boyfriend earlier that day showing red marks on her neck >> to make the house been today >> yeah cuz they took a >> picture of her >> they took a picture but they never cited me like anything for they never gave me anything >> well the first time you don't first time you don't get sent. >> Well, I I've never been I've never had like a card or anything from from >> Yeah, we just advise people that they're trespassed. >> Oh, I thought cuz no one told me I was trespassed, but I thought >> Well, if if you're trespass on there, somebody had to have told you. >> No, sir. Like that's on my kids. No one I know I was trespassed from the Walmart on >> Well, to tell you again, you want to trespass from the Walmart. So, don't go to any of the Walmarts. This one or the one. woman claimed she was unaware of being trespassed but was reinformed that she is banned from all Walmart locations. >> I thought it was sorry. >> Okay. So, none of the Walmarts even nationwide. >> Okay. >> So, you're going to have to find somewhere else to shop. >> That's fine. >> You're an Heliccastia. >> She's under arrest. >> What do you >> She was wearing the shoes and the hood. >> I got my >> Yeah. So, kick her ass. I'll try, but I can't. >> You know what? Um, can I tell you something? >> Yeah. >> Her boyfriend just beat her ass into. >> Yeah, that's what she just told us. >> Yeah. And I think that's the reason why I need this. >> We'll take it off in a second. >> Did you have the date for that bus? while they're looking for it cuz it was that one was going to be sometime last year. >> Yeah, it was last year on January. >> Do you know your aunt's number? >> No, sir. I I don't >> I had a phone, but my my husband broke this morning. I didn't know what he did. He smashed my phone. So, I don't >> I don't >> Huh? Yeah, she's leaving. >> What do you mean? I was going to see if she could say cuz I don't have a warning. I don't want to disclose any information. She know what happened earlier today. I mean, if you guys want to take a picture, >> but sorry. >> You want to talk about it? >> She wants to No, I don't. I have >> Does your voice usually sound like this? >> My voice? >> Yeah. >> No, it always sounded like that today cuz when you put the thing around my neck, I guess like right here's been crazy. So maybe >> well be honest in hand. I mean it's pretty serious crime, >> right? And I know >> I'm aware I just I'm already out of that situation. >> I know. But >> so >> something bad happened, right? And we still need to do our part and help you out as well. >> I understand that part, but it sounds pretty stupid about say I believe in God wholeheartedly. >> And you do need you do need to go to the hospital though, okay? Cuz your your voice is pretty bad. I don't have no >> insurance. Open my eyes. >> Open your eyes. What? >> Take it. >> No, but it was pretty bad. Sorry. >> But you don't want to disclose information then? >> No, I don't. I I already had called um cuz he was like a vet a veteran. So there was this American um hotline number for like uh domestics and stuff and I got a hold of him earlier. >> Officers encouraged her to report domestic violence, noting her injuries and offering victim assistance resources, though she hesitated to provide details. >> She's been in domestic with her baby dad. If you change your mind, just talk to us. We're here to help you out. You could even go talk to your victim's assistance. They're civilians, regular people. They're not cops, you know. They're not pigs like us. you go down the station, they'll help you out. So, please don't go back, right? There's many guys out there. I get it. I mean, if he's a provider or not or, you know, you relied on him, there's more guys out there. It's going to suck, but you need to be that cuz you're going to get all right. So, yeah, we're here to help you out, okay? Is it cool if I get pictures of your injuries? It's back. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, I see your face. Did he hit you in the face? >> Well, I had hit me right had blood come out of my earlier, but I took out all the blood and stuff. >> Just stay like that. There you go. All right, cool. Go back to bed cuz it's cold. >> I empty. I will. >> Did you want to talk about it now or >> um Can I go to the like the office tomorrow? >> Yeah, you can go tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. >> Did you want to talk to us or somebody else? >> I'll probably It doesn't matter. >> Yeah, I probably want to talk to either one of you guys. >> Either of us? >> Yeah. Give me help. >> Don't need that. >> Trust me. I know. They were to >> Yeah. You don't need 21 years torture. Look, look at what I look Look at the way I am now. You don't need that. You're better than that. Look at Look at how he left you. You think he cares about you? He don't care. If he don't care about you, he ain't going to care about the kids. You're going to You can stay with me and the kids. Okay, you need to speak up. Look at what he did. It's unfair. >> Believe they just got >> officers urged her not to return to her abusive partner, emphasizing her safety and encouraging her to seek help. >> Even if even if the issues that you guys had before, >> let that God's going to handle it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> But you need to speak up, mama. And that that's enough. cuz I'm telling you because I love you and I see you in me and I I don't want you you don't want that cuz I went through 21 years of that with your teeth and everything. Okay. >> Uh this is what you got for the you're being charged with the shoplifting. >> Okay. And they'll arrange the court date. >> Okay. >> Okay. By signing it, you're not admitting guilt, but you're promising to appear in court. >> Okay. >> Okay. Do you have any questions? >> No. So, I just want to tell you sorry how I came across too. I just >> Well, I apologize to you. Okay. Like I said, I just have a lot of people lie to me every day. >> Yeah. Understand? Especially when they start to tense up right away. >> Mhm. >> It makes me less >> Yeah, I understand. >> less cooperative. >> Understandable. >> Oh, I am sorry for that. Okay. >> No, you're fine. I understandable. >> Okay. Just show up to court. I'm willing to work with you. >> Thank you. >> I'm willing to give you a different sentence. Okay. But you just got to show up. >> Yeah. I'll be there. I'll be there probably tomorrow with this. >> Okay. I'm not sure when the court day will be, but probably a month from now. >> Okay. I'm sorry, too. All right. Shake your hands. Okay. Thank you. You have a beautiful night. Okay. You too. All right. She was formally charged with shoplifting, signed a citation promising to appear in court, and was released at the scene. Case concluded with a citation. Despite personal struggles, her theft was documented, and legal proceedings will follow. Even in moments of hardship, stealing only deepens the trouble instead of solving it. Seeking help and facing struggles honestly is the only path toward true freedom. If you like this video, please sign up for Tag View to receive more. Look out for the next shoplifter who will react even more aggressively. >> I'm getting arrested at Walmart. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> Take this footage from April 2023, for example. Captured by a Florida police officer, it shows three carefree young women enjoying themselves, completely unaware that their fun is about to take a very unexpected turn. >> How much? Can you tell me? >> My own. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't even know where the number is. >> 31? >> Yeah. >> 31? >> Are you $31? >> Can I see what it's worth for $31? >> I know. I have like >> Yeah. >> 31. >> Exactly. These women showed up at Walmart dressed to impress with stylish outfits, designer shoes, and pricey purses. But instead of shopping like their appearance suggested, they ended up stealing items worth only $31. >> What a good vacation to start off. >> I did a slow moment, right? I took your numbers in the car accident. I was >> After going through their belongings, officers uncovered something that would land the girls in even deeper trouble. That was the moment reality hit. They realized the situation was serious and that a trip to jail was no longer just a possibility, but almost certain. >> You better take my take my stuff. I can't for what? >> Cuz you can't take this with you to the jail. >> This is what I What? >> You can't take this with you to the jail? >> What? Wait. Jail? >> Yeah. >> Who the is going to jail? >> Y'all >> who the what? Hold on. Are you serious? >> Y >> Are you dead ass? Get off. Get up. >> Wait. Stand up. Turn around. >> Why you wait? Why me? dropped the phone. >> They're locking us up. They're locking us up. It's >> your mom. >> Yeah. >> I'm getting arrested in Walmart. >> So, um I'm getting arrested in Walmart. >> I don't know. I don't know. Hold on. Come outside. >> Cuz some stuff wasn't scanned at Walmart, bro. A dollar. >> I like it. I could have just take the money off my card. >> Oh my god. We're coming outside. Have fun. >> They really are the definition of stressed, depressed, but well-dressed. If you're headed to the slammer, I guess the least you can do is make sure you look good on the way there. >> So, I do have a question. Since we aren't from here, like my mom, I would be able to call her, but she probably wouldn't be able to get money over here. So, the person that's with us that's not in the store, would we be able to get their number? >> Yeah. When you get to jail, you'll be able to get numbers out. >> Yeah. >> But you know his first and last name. That's how we get it. like first and last name type thing. >> Oh, we go to our phone. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Make sure. I'm like, "Yeah, I have like $100." >> They even managed to turn the walk toward the police car, handcuffs and all, into their own kind of fashion show, strutting like it was just another runway moment. >> This is crazy. I wish I'm not going to lie. >> This is crazy. >> We'll see you at this real house. Bro, >> this is my first time going. Oh my god. >> Is that him? >> All right. Y'all going to get in this car right here. >> Can I get in the front? >> Where you going? You got to get in this house. >> I'm going. >> How you going to open the door? >> I'mma open it. Walk. [ __ ] >> You got it. Okay. Oh, it's freezing. Get my blanket. Get my blanket. >> I can't. You got to get in. Come on. >> This freaking thing is cold. I can't close the door, sir. >> It's dirt. >> I'll have them clean when we get there. >> Wait, I got white on. That's my problem. >> You still got to get in. It's not going to stick. >> It is going to stick. >> You'll be all right. >> Once the girls were in custody, they cooperated with officers. Because of that, they likely avoided extra trouble and only had to face the theft charges. Think twice before stealing. Looking stylish won't save you from the consequences. Cooperation may lessen the damage, but the charges still follow you. What an unyielding shoplifter. The next shoplifter will react much more violently, so keep an eye out. >> Passport to the right. >> Yeah. Who are these? >> I'm not sure, sir. >> Well, they were in your purse. On July 28th, 2024, officers were dispatched to Walmart in response to an active shoplifting incident. She thought she was being clever, but Walmart's cameras caught everything, stealing thousands while under surveillance. That plan was doomed from the start. >> She's doing a second return. Okay. Okay. He's trying to scan her her digital receipt. >> Yeah, just for the record, we have PC already for return fraud. >> Oh, he's struggled last night. It's not scanning for whatever reason. >> Where's your off guy? Is he going to help you? >> I still have not been able to locate him. He might actually be on lunch. >> We only had one today. I cannot find him anywhere. She's doing a second return for Sean. Actually, she might be doing a third return. >> Wow. Sounds like she needs to go to jail. >> Yeah. She's I I'm just I don't even want to know how many times she's gotten away on us. >> Tell your uh yellow vest, don't stop her. Just wave her on. >> Keep going. Keep going. >> Yeah. I swear to God if she goes into the subway, I'm going to have a freaking stroke. No, we got the crime anyway already. So, we'll just contact her in Safeway. >> All right. So, he's giving her more cash now. >> Can't exactly tell how much cash he's pulling out. He's not making it easy for me to count. >> That's okay. >> All right. But he did give her a receipt. So, we'll just use that receipt. She put that money in her right pocket. No, she pulled it back out. >> It's going to be gone by the time we get there anyway. >> All right. She's moving away from the customer service that she did not try to return. She walked into Walmart like a pro- fake receipt in hand, ready to score cash for items she never paid for. But plot twist, lost prevention, already knew her face from a past stunt. >> That speaker, >> okay, so she's going to walk out with it then. >> Yeah, she looks like she's coming to the GM or the pharmacy site. I lied. She turned around. >> Okay. >> What the [ __ ] Yep. She's going towards grocery now. >> Grocery. Okay. >> All right. She's in front of the nail salon. >> Okay. >> She's in front of Subway. Yeah, she's coming out. She's wearing a black shirt with like a Playboy bunny on her back. >> She out the store. >> She's about to cross the final point of >> Then she pushes her luck, literally trying to stroll out with the speaker like it's a checkout free world. Security's watching like it's Black Friday drama. >> I'll be here in a second. >> There she is. >> Hi. Where was security? >> So, you just did some >> As soon as she hits the exit, boom, security swoops in. You're under arrest. She pulls the classic line, "I paid for it." But guess what? Cameras never lie. Wow. Put your hands behind on your back. >> Do you have any weapons on you? >> No. >> Okay. You're under arrest for theft. I've been watching you for about a good 20 minutes already. >> I just paid for that, though. I just went to the restaurant. >> Tried doing it yesterday, too. >> Everything about do anything yesterday. >> You got away. You're right. >> You're under arrest for theft. The speaker is not paid for. We know that already. This receipt shopping. You didn't select You selected these things from the store. >> I just paid for I just paid for this. I got the receipt right there. Remember everything's on camera. >> No, I get it. That's fine. But >> you lie to us. >> It's a good straight kick to jail. >> Look at the receipts. What I was saying. >> Yeah, the receipts are all fraudulent. We know already. You're not the first person that bought this up. Okay. So, anyway, you have the right to remain silent. Do you understand your rights? >> Okay. So, we're going to escort you back to the loss prevention office. Dave, just throw her in my car. I'm just going to drive her over there. >> Okay. First off, we have to identify you. >> Time for part two. identity fraud. She suddenly becomes someone else, but her story has more holes than Swiss cheese. >> Comes back to a Talisen Peak who's a male that's 611 175. >> Why would your brother come up as you? >> That's not my name though. I don't know why. >> I don't know either. >> There's driver status right there. >> Well, you better start thinking about different name cuz this one ain't working. You just said that that was your brother. >> No, I'm saying I don't. But if that's not me right there, >> you know, you got to keep your lies straight cuz I listen really well. >> Okay. What I'm trying to say is that his driver's status. >> I don't give a rat's ass about the driver status. I want to know who you are. I'm going to run it one more time. And if not, you you're just going to go to jail for providing false information to law enforcement. Regardless if you have a warrant, nothing. I'll just book you. That's that's the simplest way for me. It's Sunday. Last name again. What is your real name? I'm going to run it again. If it comes back, no record. We're not even going to go in the office. You're going to go straight to jail. I'm listening. >> I don't understand why. >> I don't either, but it usually means that people are lying about their name. >> No, but above it is driver status. >> I don't give a [ __ ] about the driver's status. What is your [ __ ] real name? >> She digs deeper, throwing out random names, claiming her IDs in the car. Maybe the purse, maybe Mars. Officers are officially done playing Guess Who. >> What is your middle initial and what is your date of birth? 93. No. Comes back to Talison. 61175 male. You're definitely not a male. >> Is your ID out of Washington? >> No, it's Portland, Oregon. >> It's out of Oregon. >> Yeah, it's in my purse. >> It's It's in your purse inside. >> That should be said. I'm not sure. >> So, which one of these IDs is yours, >> Tessa? >> So, many >> passport to the right. >> Yeah. Who are these? >> I'm not sure, sir. >> Well, they were in your purse. >> I understand that. Yeah. >> So, where's your Where's your organ ID at? >> It's in there. If it's not, it's in my car. >> Whose car is that, by the way? >> It's mine. It's not registered to you. >> I just got it. >> So, are you Ashley? >> No, it's probably in my car. >> I'm guessing you're not this guy, Elijah. >> I was just looking for it, too. It's probably in my car. >> Where's this passport you speak of? >> He's got it in his hand. >> Passport. >> Passport. >> And then my driver's license. It should It should be right there in my in my car. >> So, the name on this is correct. >> Yes, sir. My driver's license. It's in my car. I had it on. Did you check this pocket? >> What's the uh address on your coins? >> Wasn't any my ID or anything in there? Is what I'm saying? >> You would know that. Why you >> Well, no. Cuz I my is I can't feel right there. >> Oh yeah. Where is it? >> It's in my car. If it's not my person. >> Yeah, but I I mean I don't want to just have the door open like without me. >> I'll transport you through your car. >> It's nice little catch. >> She got lucky yesterday is when we were dealing with all the other commotion is when she tried to do that [ __ ] >> They must have all been together and they just >> I I feel like they do have like a little meet up and saying, "Hey, let's all just try to mass surge them and see what happens." >> Turns out this isn't her first rodeo. She just pulled the same scam yesterday. Her defense. It wasn't even big stuff. Uh-huh. Just nearly 1,000 worth of not big stuff. >> They spotted you right away because they recognized you from yesterday. They know that the things you returned >> you selected from the store. You didn't pay for them. You didn't come in with them. >> A couple of them I didn't. >> There's a couple things you came in with. The speaker you selected and have to be removed from a glass case by an associate, right? >> Yes. >> You never paid for that. Fortunately, you didn't try to return that for cash, but you did do two p previous ones for cash, and those are being scrutinized right now. >> It's just been a little hard for me. I mean, I It's not like I was doing major stuff, but I mean, I know. >> What do you mean major stuff? Yesterday was almost $1,000. >> I got really scared. What? >> Yeah. >> For my card not working? >> Yeah. >> Okay, back to the store. We'll figure something out. >> Is she 100% the one that tried to get out yesterday? Um, >> yeah, but my card. >> She didn't change her clothes or anything >> really. She said she tried to use her card, but everything she said >> tried to take the card out of merchandise, but there was three managers that prevented her from doing it. >> No, they didn't stop me or anything. They were just standing around me. >> And that's when you decided that, oh, I'm not going to risk it getting caught because you were right there at the point of sale. Final point of sale to take it out, >> right? My card declined. >> But you still took the cart all the way to the final point of sale. >> Yeah. Who does that? >> But you have to to bring it up. >> But your card got declined. How you going to pay for it? >> You didn't leave your cart. >> Okay. You're going to be booked into jail cuz that's the only reasonable way we can identify you cuz you got so many IDs. You can't find your driver's license. >> Do you want me to do the theft and the refund fraud like twice? >> You can do it all in one. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know. >> I've never been arrested before. >> Oh, come on. I find that hard to do. >> Look, everything >> I've never done. >> Everything you said >> since the time we contacted you >> with you the whole >> has either been a lie or some kind of roundabout crap. >> How has it been a lie? I've been talking about everything. >> I paid for that. >> No, I paid for some of it. As I said, >> you know what? We're not We're not dealing with semantics here. This is not an English language course. Okay. >> I have pretty good years. I've been doing this for 30 years. I know when people lie to me. >> What What state were you born in? >> Portland or just >> Oh my god. I was like a passport. >> More lies. >> Who would be the difference? >> No. What? >> He He just asked you. >> I didn't hear him say >> state were you born in? I heard it. talking. I thought he was talking about that. >> And you said Portland, Oregon. >> That's where I'm from. I'm sorry. That's just You guys have >> Now she's racking up citations for theft and refund fraud. Officers don't buy her never been arrested story. Let's just say her nose isn't the only thing growing. >> Your driver's license. Make another one. You know exactly what that means. >> You guys, please don't do this. Like, >> if you ask them nicely, they may not tow your car. If your car's not gone by 11:00 tonight, your car is being >> Don't do this. Like I understand something was really wrong, but come on you guys. Please. >> I've never been in trouble with you guys before. I've seen ways. >> You haven't been caught. Don't cry up here. >> Your tears are not going to change the outcome. It's not going to make me feel any less about you, guys. But please give me a chance. >> My job is to make sure you are held accountable. I'm doing my part. >> I don't hold myself accountable for it, sir. I really >> I don't trust you to hold yourself accountable. >> Did you hold yourself accountable yesterday when you got caught? >> I didn't I didn't get caught yesterday. >> I know you didn't get caught. That's why you caught >> the car didn't go through, you guys. Then I walked away from the car. >> You're not welcome at all. And so we're putting you in the database. Life. You are trespassed from Walmart for life. Doesn't matter if it's Yelm where you had an event. Doesn't matter where it's Tacoma. Doesn't matter Federal Way. Any Walmart. You are not welcome on the property and it's trespassing if you enter the property. Okay. >> All I can say is I can go get my my driver's license. You guys, I don't know what else to say. Why? I don't understand. >> The other officer just went out to your car. >> We already looked for your ID in there. >> Like look, >> I don't know what you're trying to get out of this. You're under arrest. >> I get that. >> We need to identify you. That's it. You're not We're not about to be Okay, you know what? We're sorry. We inconvenience you. >> No, you guys are I understand what I did was wrong >> and that's why you're going to get booked today because they're going to take your fingerprints at jail and then they'll actually identify you. So, >> bonus twister. Her car is about to be towed and she's warned she might face felony charges if she doesn't cough up her real ID. No more games. Jail will figure her out via fingerprints. >> Hearing the judge is going to determine all the facts whether they give you bail or no bail and then they'll go from there. So I can just take them down to score say we haven't been able to identify her. She's going to get charged. Did you do false reporting as well? >> I did not because we can't confirm that. So once the jail calls me and says, "Hey, after we processed her, this is who she really is." >> Then you then we do it. >> Okay, good. And then I I can always amend the citation. >> I will do anything to get this right. I said I'm no idea and I won't ever come back to this Walmart. I promise. >> You do? You go to jail for that, too? >> What? >> Come back to this Walmart. >> I know. I'm saying I won't. There's so much worse things going on right now. Like I don't understand like why you guys can't give me the one chance. Like I've never been here before. >> So So you're right. There are worse things going on. But when we have a call for service, we have to answer that call for service. >> Yes, I did it. >> And instead of three police officers helping other citizens, we're sitting here dealing with you. One because we can't identify you. >> I know what I >> and because of your actions today. This is your citation. It is for theft in the third degree despite you stealing probably a felonious amount of merchandise. We're going to go with the lower degree. Um, not real sure what I'm going to do with the crystal meth because that I can test and he may sustain a charge because of that. >> For a little bit. Can I tell you about it? >> You know where a little bit is. >> Oh, and surprise meth is found, too. She pleads for mercy, but the officers aren't moved. This isn't her first performance. >> I'm not right there. >> Yeah. So, as long as you're not worried about that. Can't take any >> Can't take any IDs that are do not belong to you except for the Tessa one because >> Well, that one's a different middle initial. >> Yeah, but who? That's who she's claiming to be. I'll take a picture of that. >> Tessa Lauren. That may be your sister or >> No, it's my maiden name. >> Your maiden middle name? >> I wasn't married. I had >> So, you change your middle name when you got married? >> No, it's Maurice is a French name, you guys. It's not like that. Like, I don't know how to explain it. So when I say >> people change their last names, not their middle names. >> It's a It's a hyphened last name. It's not >> Oh boy. >> When did you get married? >> I was married 14 years. >> No. When did you get married? >> Um when I was 20 to >> look straight at the camera. >> Say uh 28 maybe. >> In my 30 years going to help me get my daughter >> of police work. Right. >> I have never seen anyone change their middle name when they got married. >> Nobody. zero. >> Okay. >> When did you Hey, when did you get married? >> I was married from what did I say? Like I was 20 to 34. >> And how old are you now? >> I am just uh >> Are you still married? >> No, that ID is from when or the newest one. >> We're done here. This is too much. Uh, this officer is going to drive me by your car and then you're going to watch me put all your stuff in the car and then I'll bring back the keys. No, >> I can't have a drink of water. >> No. >> Final nail in the coffin. She's informed that lying to cops is a felony. After some back and forth, she sort of kind of admits the truth. Final charges, theft, fraudulent returns, possession of meth, lying to law enforcement, class C felony. Moral of the story, if you fake returns, fake names, and fake innocents, don't be surprised when you get real charges. That's my stuff. That's why I said there's nothing. >> Talk to him. On October 3rd, 2024, officers were dispatched to Burlington in response to an active shoplifting incident. This is footage of the events that followed. >> What we get is very like sporadic. >> So, we have two females in here. >> Um, they've came in. This is our usual. They come in about 10:15 and they run around and stuff carts and then they attempt to walk out with them. >> Okay. >> Um, these ones came in very suspicious from the beginning. came in with empty bags, backpacks, stuff like that. Um, but that's what we've noticed. They're they're literally just grabbing stuff. >> So, are they still in here right now doing it? >> Still in right now. >> Okay. So, they're like it's in progress essentially. Okay. And I see that my back's just got here, too. So, >> um I will wait for them to come in and then we'll head in there. >> So, this back end over here through here. Okay. >> Zigzag. >> All right. Thank you. >> Two women walk into a store with empty bags. Never a good sign. Staff immediately suspect trouble as this is a classic setup. Phil now deny later >> for them to actually steal. That's what I'm wondering. >> Like in the Target overtime days, you just wait for them just so you have something to do. >> No. >> What's the word? >> This is what they look like. Now she has this bag in the basket in the other bag. And as I'm going past the men's shoes now, you can kind of see her in the basket. >> She's putting items in there. >> You can kind of see her working in there. She's got watches. She's got shoes. They've got all kind of stuff in that basket. And this one, her backpack looks a little bigger than it was when she got here. [Music] >> But they're both in the back corner of our store right now. So, >> yeah, we got officers that move around the back side. >> Yeah, that's usually the ones that hang out by the men's shoes are usually the ones that hit the emergency door. So, >> and there is there four of them or just those two? >> Two. He said that two the other two people that came in at the same time as them. >> Did they already leave? This gentleman and another guy that came in right behind them, they've walked out already. >> Surveillance footage confirms the suspicion. One woman is casually tossing watches and shoes into a basket like she's on a game show. Bonus, her backpack is magically expanding like a wizard's suitcase. >> Um, >> yeah, we put every We didn't We put everything back. >> Okay. Then you guys trespass. >> Okay. >> So, we're going to If you don't Do you have any ID on you? >> No, I don't. I got warrants. >> Okay. >> Good. How are you? >> How we doing? >> I'm fine. How are you? >> How we doing? So, >> we're fine. What happened? >> Okay. So, the store wants you guys trespass. >> Okay. >> Do you have any ID on you? >> Um, no. I'm from California. >> You're from California? Okay. >> My ID was in my purse when we got robbed. >> Police intercept them mid fraud. One suspect admits she has warrants and says her ID was stolen. Sure. By the same thief who made her stuff coats in her bag >> out with said bags. So, that would be stealing. >> There's nothing in here. >> Okay. >> That's my stuff. That's why I said there's nothing. Okay. Talk to him. >> Is this your guys' product? She's saying that it's hers. >> No, don't come over here. >> Okay. >> Shoes is not >> not your guys'. >> And then whatever those headphones aren't either, the B uh BT21s. >> Let me ask you. Okay. You say American Eagle, so I'm assuming no. But how about some shoes or the uh headphones? >> No, those aren't from here. >> Okay. That's just the first bag. So, >> yeah. What bag was she putting it in? add those the >> sold both of the duffel bags. >> Officers peek inside and surprise find store merchandise, coats, headphones, the works. One woman tries the classic, "That's not mine excuse." Too bad her fingerprints are all over it. >> We're going to take you in on those warrants. >> And she's got a felony warrant. >> Please, no. >> Are those your shoes? >> Yes. They're Jordans. >> They're brand new. >> They They're mine. Uh, what other is it? Just this bag. >> It's just that coat. The other stuff is not. >> Turns out one suspect has a felony warrant collection. She's promptly escorted to her new ride, the back of a police car. >> Oh, darn. She lied. >> Yeah, >> the warrants here. >> Oh my god, it smells terrible in here. >> Do you guys mind getting like a dollar amount of it? Sick. >> All right. Well, you lied. Like I knew you did. >> More loot. Discovered wallets, watches, and probably Santa's list of who's naughty. The suspect's criminal resume just keeps growing. >> Oh, that was >> Okay. Well, I didn't know. >> That's why I always check. >> Okay. Well, I wasn't. >> Yeah, it's confirmed. >> Good. Okay, they're confirmed. So, she is under arrest now for sure. So, if you want to continue, you search her, take her, you know, the bags, all that kind of stuff. >> Okay. >> And the boots. The snake skin boots. >> Excuse me. >> I think you had like five death shoplifting warrants. >> Four. Oh, sorry. Yeah, two of them. It's probably getting real rough to give you a break if you got five. >> But two of them. >> I have I have court. >> I'm not trying to get in your bed. I'm just trying. >> I know. I'm just being honest. And one of them, >> you got to stop. You got to know. >> Store staff walk police through the duo's grand theft shopping spree. Women's shoes to baby aisle to men's section. They even pretended to shop like normal humans. Almost convincing. >> Uh so we are going to end up taking you >> partially that but mainly from us. Okay. There's a lot of stuff that you know and like I'm going to be straight up for honest with you. Okay. >> Is Bonnie like uh I guess Bonnie like confirmed. >> And when did they as soon as they enter? Where did they go first? >> Uh they went to shoes, women's shoes, and they went to the baby section. And that was the first place that we seen them acting a little suspicious. They were kind of just grabbing shoes. And then they would start the conversations when we came over like, "Oh, what size shoe does this nephew or that nephew wear?" And I'm like, "You're in women's shoes." Talking about what your nephew wears. Um, from there, the one with the white sweater and the black stretch pants. Um, we saw her leave. >> Final act, they try to fail a payment and leave with the goods like it's just another Tuesday. Unfortunately, they didn't fail quietly and now they've got court dates >> here in our queuing. Grabbed a couple wallets. Um, and then they were hanging out in the men's shoe section. So, I walked past them about three or four times and I had noticed the things in the basket slowly disappearing. Like I walk by, you didn't go anywhere, but the watches are gone, the wallets are gone, these things are gone, and their bags were now stuck in the dipped. Um, at that point, it was about five, six minutes before that when I called you guys because I noticed the sus suspicious behavior. Um, after that, they attempted to come up to the register. Um, they took two things out of the basket, a pair of shoes and a kids jacket, and told my cashier, "Oh, my card's not working. I'm going to have to go to the ATM." Before she even rang anything up and then walked out. >> Busted red-handed. One had a wrap sheet long enough to roll out as a yoga mat. They were caught cuffed, and carted off, ending their discount crime spree. No coupons needed. Don't let a full bag fool you. Store security sees everything. Stealing today could mean jail tomorrow, especially if you've done it before. I don't want to hear that. I want my and I want to go home. >> On September 6th, 2021, Felia County officers responded to a heated argument between 19-year-old Emanuel our and his girlfriend over a phone. What started as a simple dispute quickly escalated >> and my mama already said she want off her property. She want everybody off her property. They came up two cars deep doing all that hot talking about they got doing all this man. I just want them to get off my property. I just want everybody to step off my property. Okay, let me ask you this question. She's claiming that you have her phone. >> No, I don't. >> Okay. So, the phone that you that you call is your phone. And if she has proof that that she called >> So, how she going to prove it? How she going to prove her phone in my house? >> Huh? >> You got a search warrant? >> No, I'm just asking. Do you have a search warrant? Cuz I don't I just assert myself. I'm not being aggressive with you. I'm speaking assertively. You're a cop, so I just asked the right question. Do you have a search warrant to go behind? I >> do not have a search warrant. Okay. I'm just >> Dude, I'm just asking. >> No, I'm just listening. I'm >> When the officer approached, the man was immediately defensive and uncooperative. His girlfriend wasn't any calmer, making things even more tense. >> Because she says she got your phone. If you have it or not, I really don't care cuz right now it's civil. I get it. But if you give it back to her, you don't have to deal with us. I don't want to have to keep coming here. Quite frankly, it's Labor Day. >> I don't give a But if you give her your phone back, you won't have to deal with us and you can do your thing. >> I don't got her phone. >> All right, cool. >> This is my phone right now. This him. Okay, come get it, T. Come to the door. Give me my Stop playing. Come here. This is him. This is literally This is my phone. He cut it off. >> What's your name again? >> Tiana Franklin. >> Tiana, do me a favor. Take a deep breath. No, because I'm tired of this loves to play victim manipulator. I want my and I want to go. >> Despite the officer's efforts to reason with him, the man refused to cooperate and his girlfriend only escalated the situation with her growing agitation. >> You can't tell me you can't get my back. I want you to leave. Call your supervisor. Call your supervisor. When you hear that, you have to call your supervisor. And I know that. Call your supervisor. I don't want to hear that. I want my and I want to go home. >> Calm down. >> I'm ready to go. He has her calm down. >> If you call her call her phone, I understand. If you call her phone right now and tell him to step right through that door and I kid you not, sergeant or something needs to get a re award or something. How the you going to tell me what is your name? Mr. Glass or class in her face cuz you can excuse me. I want a new officer cuz you act like you ain't give a cuz I was talking over there. >> I'm ready for him to go. >> They got to get off my property. This my property. >> Tell him to get off my property. >> Okay. But you're walking up on me on my property. Don't walk up on me like that. >> But you're walking up on me. >> Just tell him get off my property so I can go to sleep. If you don't want to do your job, then >> when the woman learned the officer couldn't just take the phone from the man, she instantly spiraled into hysterics, screaming and drawing a crowd, which only fueled the chaos. >> I understand. And it was really calm this whole time. >> Tiana, Tiana, >> Tiana, you never cuz you ain't going to fight no. You going to put your hands on the >> Hey, you see that police officer? Hey, Perez. Perez. Perez. I ain't going to be but I'm going to die today. I'm going to die too. >> Shut up. Move. No. No bro. No bro. Yo, bro. What? What? Perez. Come on. Perez. >> Have a seat. >> Hey, Perez. Come on. Get shot. >> Get shot. >> Have a seat. >> I got a gun for you right now. >> All right. Step over there. >> The worst part. Amid all the yelling and chaos, a young child sat in the car exposed to the shouting and drama. It's a troubling scene, both dramatic for the child and a poor example of how to handle conflict. >> I spit in your face. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Stop touching me. Stop touching me. Stop touching me. Stop touching me. >> Stop there. Relax. >> Stop touching me. Don't tell her. Stop touching me. Go give her the phone. Stop touching me. Stop touching me. Stop touching me. >> I'm trying to help the phone. That's it, >> man. Why you making this so much more difficult? >> Hey, guys. This what they do. It's a toxic relationship. >> I don't want >> There's no denying how unstable the man was. Even his own mother didn't want his behavior in her house. His shouting at the officers was blatantly disrespectful, especially considering how patient they had been with him up to that point. >> You need to take a deep breath, buddy. >> You need to take a deep breath, brother. You p >> I trust you white people way more than you p. You know what you is? You one of them Hispanic mother that's going to pull up and dead. Yeah, that's what you going to do. Get off my face. Get out of my face. Go back to your car. Are >> you done? >> No, I'm not. The nobody is talking to you no more. They drove off. Now leave me the alone. The [ __ ] I'm not listening. I'm not listening to you. Leave me the leave me. Leave me alone. I ain't do. You got invited out. >> I don't give a Okay. I see all the way out. See all the way out. >> I called y'all because they had their brothers pull up with guns and had a big gun in his >> The group was finally separated with the woman moving her car around the block. Small progress at last. But the man's behavior only worsened, growing more racist and belligerent by the minute, pushing the situation closer to a breaking point. >> Doesn't matter. Enough. Knock it off, man. We're done. >> We're done. I told y'all to leave me alone. >> And that's it. >> I said leave me alone. Hands behind your back. Hands >> behind your back. >> No, that could have been done a lot easier. >> I can't get on my leg. I need an ambulance. >> You're not getting ambulance. >> Like a man. Get up like a man. Mom, >> mom. Mom, I'm not doing that. What did I do? >> What's that? >> Y'all just want to make a point. That's it. >> No. When you decide you want a friend to kill us, that's what you get. >> In the car. >> I didn't do nothing. >> Get in the car. >> Y'all doing this for nothing. not be in the car. It's no point. It's no point for what? >> In the car. >> I got to go to work. I got somewhere. I got to go to school. >> I got college. >> Get in the car. >> With no other option, officers arrested the man and that's when his tough guy act vanished. He quickly shifted to crying out for his mom, but no amount of excuses could undo his behavior or stop the arrest. >> Oh my lord. because they was >> he is doing stuff. He's doing stuff. He's doing stuff. >> Look at me. >> My [ __ ] arm. Oh, my arm. My arm. My arm. My arm is scraping against the concrete. >> Mick. >> No, I'm not kicking. I'm not. >> You just kicked me. >> No, you just kicked me. >> Stop, man. >> You just kicked me. Okay, my arm. If you get my arm, >> calm the down. >> Oh, what? >> Calm down. >> What? >> It's going to be a lot easier. Just stop. >> If he's been arrested this many times, he should know the drill. There's little sympathy for someone who resists, then complains when officers have to use force to get control. >> I'm going to have a panic attack. >> That's too hot. >> I'm going to have a I'm going to have a panic attack. Mom, I'm going to have a I'm >> No, my heart. My heart. You have to get me up off the ground. I was sitting in a car. I don't care. My heart for real. >> My heart. >> My heart. My heart. >> All right. BT's here. Let's set him up. >> We're not saying he faked the panic attack, but the timing was suspicious. Announcing it ahead of time made the whole thing feel more like a performance than a real emergency. The drama was escalating fast. >> My head. >> Are you going to stand up? >> You going to stand up? >> My handcuffs. >> Stand up. >> My hands. My hands. My hands. >> Stand up. Stand up. >> Stand up. >> I can't. Oh my god. >> Like many uncooperative suspects, he had to be dragged to the police van. and kicking and screaming like a tantruming child. His wild shrieks made the scene even more chaotic, and the officers clearly had their hands full. >> Nobody's choking you. Nobody's hands are anywhere near your throat. >> Come on, man. Come on, man. Stand up. >> Y'all doing this to cool the plant, man. >> I have a job. I have a life. >> Oh my god, the handcuffs hurt. I can't feel my feel or Oh my god, mom. Mom. the door. Look at me. >> Desperate and out of options, the man even claimed the cops were choking him. A clear exaggeration in a lastditch attempt to play the victim. >> It is. I just said one dumb thing. I said one dumb thing on my property. I couldn't be talking about anything. I just want to go to work. >> I just want to go to work. >> The swag a bit for me. Okay. >> I just want to go to work. Please just let me go to work. Please just let me go to work. Please. Please. It's not worth it. There's no point. There's no point. There's no point. I just said one dumb thing. I just said one dumb thing. I just said one dumb thing. >> I just said one dumb thing. I just want to go to work. I tried so hard not to get like this. >> By the time he was taken to the station, it was too late to backtrack. His excuses fell flat. And while he kept whining, at least he finally stopped resisting. Acting tough won't stop the law. Cooperation goes a lot further than theatrics. Fake panic and excuses only make things worse in the long