Yeah, I don't know. They don't want to get in trouble. >> Lieutenant Turner. >> Lieutenant Turner, okay. >> I'm going to help you out then. Then move it. Now you go to jail. Hello. >> Hello. >> Signs got to go. You're in a public park. You know better. >> Um so apparently my campaign manager um says that this is an ordinance now cuz I got to put it up. >> park. >> So it says political speech on public property. >> Okay, guys. >> a picture of the statue. Just to make sure, right? I'm just I'm trying to be like you know like >> No, and I'm I'm just I'm I'm letting you know it's a public park. It has to be removed. >> Okay, so I'm going to get confirmation. >> I'm giving you your confirmation. This is a public park. You have to remove it. Folks, this is not up for discussion. >> Well, we still need somebody to come get it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, this is they can't >> I'll pick it up for you. >> You're not You're not taking that in you. >> I'm picking it up. >> take it. We can take it up. >> Okay. She said she can't lift it up, so we got to move it. >> They're They have other people that will take it. They're going to be here. >> Okay, then you got to put it down and take it off the the property. >> Justin, you already know what the derby is. Um they're saying that we can't be here because it's public, but it's not that public. >> It's a public park. >> Public park, so we can't have this here. You already know. You're ganging up on other people. >> Okay. There's no ganging up. You're not supposed to do that though. You're not supposed to again. I am here. I am letting you know you are not allowed to do this, okay? So pick up the sign, please. >> So what do I do with this? >> Pick up the sign and put it down, please. Girls, I'm going to tell you one more time. Pick up the sign and put it down, please. >> The cops. >> Thank you. I'm not being rude. I've I've I've said it several times. Everything's on camera, just so you're aware. It's Lieutenant. Lieutenant Escalera. That's That's who it is. Yes. >> I'm literally at the corner where I sent you the thing. They said I can't be here. I sent it to the group chat. >> Any public park, any public property, you can't do that. Private property, you're good to go. >> What is the statue? They don't want to give me any information. >> I am recording the signs. >> Why are you recording >> On page on I'm not I'm Yeah. Yes. Yes. >> I am. I am. I am. >> Look. Has it touched the ground what I'm recording it, too. >> Okay. >> How many times you going to be told to remove it? Yeah, that's pretty >> Right here. >> Yes. >> Yeah, I don't know. They don't want to give me the statue. >> Lieutenant Turner. >> Lieutenant Turner, okay. >> And I'm going to report you, too. So you can report me all day. Right. No, the problem is is you're being uncooperative completely. No, listen. Come on. Don't don't try to use that. Come on. We explained to you several times explained to you several times. There's no reason I should have to repeat myself over and over and over again. >> Okay, but we have the statue. Do you Do you get what I'm saying? Like that's another right that we have. That's all I'm asking. >> So So I will get you I will get you the statue, but I'll tell you what. If you're violating the statue, I'm going to write you a ticket at that point, too. So make sure you get your ID ready. How many times is he going to ask you for the same thing? >> Okay. >> And then how many times are you going to be in your narrative and say I threw it on the ground when I simply removed it? You can't do it. You're making a big deal out of nothing here. No, no. He didn't He put the camera up against your camera. Again, again, you're recorded audio and video right here. So your great behavior that you think is so great is not. Yeah, I'm not in your face, either. Yeah. It's It's I don't know why we got to be so difficult. It It makes no sense. Right. I mean, I don't know how many times I got to sit here and tell you. He I'm I'm looking at it now, but he had just sent it this morning the whole this whole breakdown on it. So here's one already. 1248.041 municipal code. So it pertains to sales circulars and advertising, which is prohibited within any city park within the city any goods wares merch merchandise whatsoever or to display to show any advertising device. circular, card, in any such park. Okay? That's the statute, 1248-0.50. >> You're infringing on first amendment rights. >> Nobody's infringing your first amendment rights, sir. This is a public This is a public park. This is a public park. And and and and hear me out. Hear me out. It's a ordinance within the city. You cannot display >> again. I heard you reading it. >> 1248. That's the municipal ordinance for Elizabeth. >> Let's hear Let's hear the ordinance then. >> I just read it >> I'd like you to read it in its entirety. >> It is unlawful for any person to sell or offer sale within a city park. >> Stand by. Any goods, wares, merchandise, whatsoever, or to display or distribute any advertising device. >> This is not advertising. >> You're not advertising for a candidate? >> No. >> Sir. Sir. >> Sir. Sir. No. No. I'm going to ask you a question. >> Listen to me. Listen to me. >> Do you have to Do you think >> This is This is This is not Okay. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> You have ever considered the mail that you get for from for anything, not candidates, could be an issue. Would you consider that advertising? >> Sir, you're advertising a candidate. >> Advertising is a business term. >> No, but you're advertising It didn't specify it's for a business. You're advertising for a candidate, correct? Sir? >> I would like you if you're going to issue a ticket for this, and if you're comfortable that a public place is not a place where you can exercise a first amendment right. >> No. No. Not political Not Not anything political. Correct? >> That's a crazy. The first amendment is about politics. >> Listen. I I'm trying I'm trying to go about this as nicely as possible where I'm not issuing any tickets. I'm not I came here and I asked the young ladies, I said, "Listen. >> Sir. >> You can't have You can't have any propaganda for any sort of politics >> say propaganda. It says advertising. >> Okay. It's an advertisement. That's basically what it is. >> sir. >> Okay. So So >> firm is like a company that does business online. >> It's >> But I'm it's not saying advertising firm. You're advertising for a candidate. >> Sir, >> Right? You're advocating for a candidate? >> Do you think Do you think that public places >> Again. Again. Again. Again. We're not We're not going to play this back and forth. Okay? >> Okay. Do you have your ID? >> I don't have one on me now. >> Okay. Well, I need an ID. Somebody here is going to have to have an ID. >> take my information? >> No, it doesn't work like that. Doesn't work like that. I need an ID. I need to verify who you are at this point. You're If I issue a summons, I need to verify I'm writing the the summons to the correct person. >> name. >> It doesn't work like that, sir. >> The simple thing to do is to just leave. I understand that's the logical thing to do. >> So So you're It is It is the right thing to do. There's ordinances in the city for a reason. >> I can write it to you and the ACLU says it. If you Google it. If you want to avoid it, says it. If I Google it >> And we'll go clear that right now. You tell us where it is. >> I have the article. >> Well, let's see. Okay. But we we literally have to deal with Hear me out. Hear me out. We have to deal with what's in front of us at this point. If you tell me there's something else going on, I'll go address it. I have no problem doing that. None whatsoever. What if I do the same thing? Well, you were here when I pulled up. Right. I understand that, but do you understand there's other things that are going on? So there's people that are going to other situations, too. So obviously I'm They didn't send a patrolman here. They sent a supervisor cuz I was No, but hear me out. I'm a supervisor that had to come out here to deal with this at this point because we didn't have enough people able to deal with it because there was a lot of things There was a lot of things going on. You're dumping in this area with a $1,000 fine over your head and you'll tell me it doesn't. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I WAS I was I was just OVER HERE CUZ CUZ CUZ HEAR ME OUT. HEAR ME OUT, OKAY? Hear me out. I don't know I don't know what I don't know you're talking You're you're you're trying to put words in people's mouths. What you need to worry about is people putting chalk stuff on the sidewalk over there, too. More signs right there at Jefferson Park. There's all types of stuff. >> Crap like this for 28 years. You don't really scare me. It seems like it's time to retire. >> Yeah, okay. >> I think it's time to retire. >> Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure I'll be on TikTok later. I'm sure I'll be on Instagram. I'm sure I'll be on something. >> Yeah, you'll handle it. >> No, it's not going to go there, sir. I'm telling you right now it's not going on the city property. It's not going. Listen, oh let me let you go. Listen, this is what it comes down to. It's not going here. Either you're going to remove it like she was suggesting that you put it on private property, no problem, or we're going to deal with it a different way. We're going to have to remove it and people end up going to jail. Hear me out. We're not trying to go that route. Okay? No, there's no more asking. This is I'm telling you. This is what's going on, okay? Yes, this is public property. This is also city property. Private property. I just explained it to you. But you guys have Listen, I'm not being difficult with that. I'm telling you. I've said it from the beginning. I'm not I'm not going to keep on repeating myself. >> I just don't understand what you're trying to say. I'm trying to say that if I wanted to have, for example, a protest, that I would not be able to have it. >> No, you're you're not supposed to have a protest unless it's organized. You're not supposed to impede a public passageway, either. Right? Right? Right? Okay, so that's what we're saying. Okay. You can keep on walking. I don't I don't care. If you want to walk, you can walk. You can walk. If you were If you have If you have uh somebody that wants to represent your candidate, sure. Post it up. If you have a banner in front of your entire house or building, that's fine. You got to transport it the same way you transported it here, whether it's whether it's comfortable for you to carry or not is one thing. If you want to carry it in a car or whatever, that's fine. Or if you're going to walk with it, you can walk with it there. >> That's exactly what I'm going to do. >> So, you just walk to it there. That's it. >> with it >> to your friend's house? Sure. No problem. >> I'm going to be walking with it to my friend's house. >> Okay, so walk to your friend's house. >> to walk till 8:00 p.m. >> Okay. Walk to your friend's house. It just can't be held up somewhere. >> What was your name again? >> Turner. I told you like four times, and it's on your video. >> I'm going to watch it again. >> Great. And keep walking, and don't think you're just going to walk and stop. I know, cuz I know your game. >> I'm just going to continue. >> Okay. This is This is >> He's going to be told he's going to stop his illegal activity. >> Right. He's just He's just prolonging the issue now. >> I understand you're trying to achieve some sort of goal of of of of being defiant of what you're being told. You said you're walking to your friend's house. You're not walking to your friend's house. You walked right over here, turned back around. >> What if he forgot that the friend lives over there? >> Okay, listen. You're being ignorant right now. That's That's That's That's crazy right now. Okay? >> And the cops that you hired too, because how do four cop cars pass through in the day and nobody said anything? >> Oh, but you weren't here though. I thought you said you weren't here. Okay. Okay. Sure. You said you weren't here, and all of a sudden you were here. Hey. >> We got this all on camera, guys. You want another look at it, we can. We got to keep him moving. Come on. What's your name? Who's that? >> Um, Lourdes. >> Who's that? >> Lourdes, I'll hold this. Go. >> Hold on. I don't know what to >> You're good. As long as she keeps on walking, it's fine. I told you. As long as she's walking, it's not a problem. You just go say hello to whoever you have to say hello. I've no problem with that. You got to walk, dear. Not just move around. You got to walk. No, you were standing in place. You were standing in place. Everything's on camera. >> Okay, I'm walking. You know >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to have to watch you walk yourself. Okay. I think it's helping you, too. Don't worry about it. >> Think you need a couple steps, too. No worries. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, you can't just go two steps back and forth. You got to keep on walking cuz you're ultimately obstructing the passage. Okay? >> You don't see me watching? >> No, you're walking back 2 ft, forward 2 ft. You can't hold up the sidewalk. Oh, he's got to not run into the street. >> I just don't want to go >> You got a cannon, but we don't want to see you we don't want you going in the street. >> Says you can go back >> We want you to go deep. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Stand here, please. No, I'm telling you to stand here. Okay, are we going to play this game or you going to go to jail? I'm telling you right now, I'm not going to tell you again. Okay, she can record right here. She can record right here. She can stand right here. No, she can't stand right here in the middle of the road. If she's in their private in personal space, then something different, but No, I'm telling you what to do. Okay, at the end of the day, there's certain things you got to do. All right. That's it. Let's go. >> Why? Well, she's not carrying it well enough. >> No, that No, because she's sitting here getting all agitated because you're over there talking. >> She ran into one of you two last night. >> So? She's She's all She's all agitated. >> I feel like I walk you guys and you guys are in power position. >> Okay, you you obviously don't seem to handle it that well. So? Okay, let's let's adjust our words a little bit. Maybe you could put a sentence together the right way at this point. >> Yeah. >> Just keep on walking. Well, why why are we being difficult? Just walk. Come on. I understand that, but she just explained to you didn't get the answer you wanted. >> No, I'm saying that I affirmed what you said. >> That's it. This We've been at this for for over an hour. >> But what is the problem? >> They can't They can't sit in the park with the political sign. Just keep on walking. I'm explaining to them. Okay, but not 2 ft and then back 2 ft. Just keep walking. Like I explained to them, you're obstructing a public passage at that point. If somebody can't walk past you and you're like this and like this, you're ultimately obstructing the public passage. For anybody. You cannot obstruct the public passage. There's a criminal code in the state of New Jersey. >> Okay. Can I get that way? Can I go that way? >> Yes, you can. So then, continue walking. You said you were walking to your friend's house. Come on. Yeah, but you're obstructing the passage. There's people that are trying to walk here that are going to have to get moved. Like this Like these two people that are walking by. And I let it go. The woman that had to walk around you before into the grass, we let it go. Yeah, and look, here she is now. I know, but I just >> This is being very stressful and a lot of people don't understand. >> And I have this right here. I'll go first. No, I have no pressure from anybody. Listen, the reality is this, there's rules. There's There's a municipal There's a municipal ordinance. >> But in the case where they were behind where they they couldn't be staying there. >> They could They could walk around as much as they want, but they can't sit here with a giant sign. That's the problem. And when you told me you can't have the sign No, but but again, and I told him I said, "You want to walk around with the sign, you can walk around. Just walk." >> Imagine if you couldn't do like a protest in a park. >> Come on. Can we Can we Watch out, you got kids. You're not going to be happy until you're in handcuffs today. I already see that. And that's what's going to make you happy. If you want that, that that will be arranged at some point if you continue doing what you're doing. >> going to say I want to. >> Okay, but No, absolutely not. If I wanted to, you already would have been. You would have already been gone if I was I've been trying to de-escalate this for since I got here. >> I'm complying with what you're saying. >> No, you're not. Because I'm telling you can't You can't walk here and walk there. Walk continuous. If you want to walk around this side of the limit, I'm explaining to you so that way when people have to pass through, they can pass through. By you staying within 10 ft, is that helping the people? Do you have to stay on here? No, on the sidewalk. Yeah, you can't go in the park. >> Okay, so I can I have to walk on the sidewalk. I have to walk on the sidewalk. How far do I have to walk on the sidewalk before I go back? >> I would say walk up, walk around, and you can keep on going. >> Is that Is that a continuous Is that in statue Is there Is there >> No, we're not You want to go to statue? >> Is it I'm saying I'm asking Is that a fine somewhere? >> No, what's happening is is you're obstructing What I'm trying to explain to you is by what you're doing going back and forth within this distance is you're obstructing this public passage. Hear me out. You I let you talk. Okay? So, by you obstructing that, you're violating the criminal code of the state of New Jersey. Again, I'm explaining to you a way to avoid doing that is by walking around. Okay? So, that way you get a time for people to see you coming, they walk around, you can walk whatever way you got to walk at that point. As long as you're walking around, it's not an issue. But by you going 10 ft back and forth like that, it's going to create a problem. Okay? You're obstructing people that are trying to get through. Kids are trying to play in the park. >> Yeah, I've been talking to them. >> No, you haven't. >> Yes, I have. You saw me before. >> I didn't see you talk to them at all. But again, but again, but again, again, you were just right here by the garbage can. >> You know, you're stopping me from walking here. >> No, listen. Walk. Cuz after I tell you Again, you're not You're trying to play the games. Just keep on walking. >> There's no games. >> Okay, I'm ordering you now to keep on walking. >> You seen me playing games. >> No, absolutely not. Keep on walking. >> Yes, the games come from higher above. I know. >> I'm I'm not entertaining anymore. Go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Even Jesus fell. What was it, three times? You're the one You're the god guy. >> Well, you're not Jesus. There's only one. Only one, my friend. Nobody's perfect in this world. Yeah, but you're still not Jesus. You may think you are, but you're not. Well, you forgot something? Your phone? Yo, your phone? Yo, I have your Can you call her and get this kid his phone, please? Put it over here. Oh, no, you got it on your head, bro. Come on. No, not in the park. Not >> I'm helping a kid. >> Put it over here, not in the park. >> I'm helping a kid. >> I'm going to help you out then. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> Then move it. Oh, now you're going to jail. Now you're going TO JAIL. YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK. PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK. Get on your Get on your back. Put your hands behind your back. Stop resisting. Put your hands Put your hands behind your back. Get your hand out. Untuck your hand. Untuck your hand. Get your hand out. Untuck your hand. >> Get your hand out. >> I'm trying to, dude. >> No, you're not. Stop. Stop trying to kick me. Yeah, you just raised your foot. Stop. You put your hands on me. Over some nonsense. >> phone. I'll get your phone, kid. >> Hey, moving around. >> Buddy, I'll get your phone. I I I promise. I promise. I know where it is, bro. It's safe. Don't you worry. Don't worry. I found it. I found it. I gave it to a girl. Go to Port Tavern. >> Find out where he lives. I'll get the information from him. There's a phone that one of the girls that was with him picked up in the park that belongs to him. >> We found We found a phone. I was trying to get him back his phone and got tackled by one of your wonderful partners. It's all on video and recorded. It's fine. >> Yep. Sure is. Been recorded. Guy, have a seat. Yeah, it's right there. >> Do you want me to get your charger? >> There's a couple of chargers. >> What is it? >> I'll let you know once you get processed. Listen. I'm going to get the information from the girl who has a phone. I saw her pick up a phone. I didn't know it was yours. I thought it was hers. Okay? So, let Let your mom know that we're going to We're going to get the phone back for you, okay? >> Where do you live? Unfortunately, he decided to try to put his hands on me. Yeah. And he tried to use the sign first. Trying to say, "Hey, I'm going to help this kid with this thing." And he's like, "Can I put the sign down?" I said, "No, I'll hold it for you while you go get the number for him." And when I go to hold it for him, he pushes off, hits me with the sign, and tries to swing his arm at me. That point, he's got to go to jail. I tried to be nice. I tried to be patient. No. I understand, and that's why we were trying to be patient and we were trying to be You saw it. We were trying to make people understand what's going on, too. Because we didn't want Cuz we Cuz The girl that was here before, can you just pull over for a second? The girl that was here before, she's like a little bit heavier set. She's loudmouth, very like not nice. She found her son's phone over there. That's That's in the park. She picked up the phone and took it. Do you have her phone number you could call her? She has Hold on, I'm going to try to get a hold of somebody. It's the port I'm trying to get a hold I'm trying to get a hold of the girl who has the phone right now. Okay? Cuz he had left the phone over there. She picked it up. And he was he was scared. So. No, he lost his phone. This other guy was here and he started acting a little crazy. Yes, we ended up having to arrest him like No, cuz he had the he was like, "Oh, I'm going to help you. I'm going to call the girl with the phone." So, I'm telling him I'm going to hold his sign for him cuz he can't have it in the park. I said, "I'll hold it for you right here." He pushed me off with the sign and went to like swing his arm at me. And But, he was he was looking for that. That was the whole problem. >> Somebody named Diane keeps calling your phone. All right. Diane Tabor. Okay. Called like five times today. What's that? She called like five times. Who's that? Uh she's like a welfare assistant. Okay. So it's not important not like your wife.