Has she ever expressed to you that, you know, she's afraid of him or >> has he ever heard her that you know physically? >> Yes. >> And she called me back a second time because she was bleeding. She said, "I don't I'm I'm hurt. I'm really hurt." >> Yes. Probably has her very possibly her. >> I do believe I am the reason that she she's got this. Where do you think she is? >> I have no idea. You're definitely lying. >> No, I'm not. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's no question about that. >> He beat her up, put her in a car early in the morning and took her someplace, been dumped or something. He's that much of a loose cannon sick guy. >> Prior to 2018, have you ever wished anyone? >> No. >> Did you? On the morning of Sunday, December 2nd, 2018, at around 11:51 a.m., officers with the Sunrise Police Department received a concerning 911 call from a woman named Joanne. She told dispatchers that her 50-year-old daughter, Janine, had been missing since Wednesday, November 28th, and that no one had been able to reach her since. At the time, it seemed like another missing person's case, but nobody knew it was about to take a much darker turn. The following presentation contains material that some viewers may find disturbing. The case files and recordings shown here were obtained through official Freedom of Information Act requests submitted directly to the police department and may include previously unseen footage. Viewer discretion is advised. Not long after Joannne's call, a 50-year-old man named Joseph contacted the department as well. He identified himself as Janine's husband. >> 911. What's the address of the emergency? >> Well, it's the address that I'm at, but I need to file a mission person's report. >> Uh, Florida. >> Well, by me, it was Thursday morning. Uh, I left for work at 7 a.m. She left sometime between 7:30 and 8, and I have not seen her since. Okay. [clears throat] Does she have a door? >> Yes, but she's not in it. >> Okay. >> Janine and Joseph had been married for 10 years, but their story went back much further than that. Friends and family described them as high school sweethearts who had known each other for nearly 40 years. That's why investigators found it odd that Joseph had waited 3 days before reporting his wife missing. Officers went to the couple's home and searched for anything that seemed out of place, but they found nothing. The house appeared tidy, and there were no obvious signs of a struggle or violence. With very few clues to work with, investigators launched a missing person's investigation into Janine's disappearance. As they began digging deeper, they would uncover details that were far more troubling than anyone expected. >> She was she was hurt. She called me to her house because she was bleeding. She hurt herself. She said she fell. Um the first time she slipped down the stairs and I came over and fixed like cleaned up the her neck. She has scrapes on the back of her neck like she fell. Maybe I say you scraped yourself on the rug. It looks maybe it could have been a rug burn, right? >> What it looked like to you then? >> It kind of looked like a rug burn. >> It did. >> Yeah, it kind of did. Then I cleaned her up then. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Then I went home and then she called me back a second time a few hours later because she was bleeding. She said, "I I'm I'm hurt. I'm really hurt. I have nobody to help me. Please come." >> She called you? >> Yeah. She It was It was a voicemail, I think. >> Okay. >> It might have been a voicemail. >> Okay. >> It was an open wound right here on her forehead. >> You're pointing to above your right eye, just for the record. Yeah. Pointing to and it was swollen like swollen >> already >> and the blood was on her dry blood on her feet and >> Yeah. And I [clears throat] said, "Janine, you want to go to the hospital? I mean, it looks like you need stitches." And she didn't want to go. >> Okay. >> According to friends and family, Janine was an active member of two gyms in Western, Pure Bar and Ultimate Fitness. But when detectives subpoenaed key card records from them, they found out Janine had not checked into either gym since November 27th. >> Uh at some point in time you went to the gym. You said uh uh it was after Thanksgiving. >> Correct. >> Uh you noticed it there. >> Correct. >> Um did you mention that to anybody that day? >> Somebody else mentioned it to me and I went, "Yes, you're you're right. She is not here. I've not seen her." And you would say, I don't want to put a word in your mouth here, but would you say that was unusual? >> It was very unusual not to see her. >> Okay. Was she social in there? >> Very social. >> Talk to everybody. >> Yes. >> So, >> you knew she was there. >> You would always know. She made it a point to be kind, to say hello. >> Um, are you familiar with >> Yes, I am. >> And how do you know her? uh from interactions when she checked in at the facility and from her being a member and being around and she was very outgoing and friendly and introduced herself to me actually the first time. >> Okay. Do you know how long she's been here for? >> Uh yes, she joined in August of 2014. >> And has she been a steady member where she's been here quite often? >> Yes. I would say probably every single day. >> Every day that there was a class that she liked to take. >> Very good. Um do you remember the last time you saw her? >> Uh personally I don't. I believe it was around Thanksgiving, but I wasn't here every day around that time. It was the holiday, so Okay. I don't remember the exact date. >> Do you know if anybody came in um asking or or uh requiring asking about her? [snorts] >> Um I do know that after we were made aware that she was missing, her mother had called and made us aware that she reported her missing um asking us if we knew anything, then her dad did come in and bring um the missing person flyers over the weekend. I wasn't here at the facility, BUT I I DO KNOW. >> HEY, do you know if her husband ever came in asking about her? >> No, I did not. Okay. Do you have any other questions? >> Over the next few days, detectives took statements from Janine's friends and family to try and figure out where she might be. Janine was very social and had a lot of friends, but there was one person she was especially close to, Jon. They had known each other for about 12 years and stayed in regular contact. John also became important to the investigation for another reason. He and Janine had planned a garage sale at her house for the morning of Saturday, December 1st. Because of this, on December 7th, officers decided to bring him in for questioning. >> So, what did your what would you class? >> A best friend, girlfriend. >> No, no, not just a good friend. >> Just a good friend. Flat out good friend. >> Okay. Sweetheart. How often would you see her or spend time with her? [clears throat] >> You know, maybe once, twice a month. >> Okay. >> I mean, I work crazy. My job is so crazy. I work for an auction company, J Sugarman Auction Company. >> J Sugarman Auction Company, which is now Sugarman Auction. They drop in J's no longer with the company. Um, we all I set up what they call as the ring when you call up the the number and the item and then so the guy that clerks he writes it down on a sheet and then I do the checkout. So when people come get their merchandise, uh, you got to match up the number with the buyer. So you match the lot number with the buyer number and then okay, you can release the item. So as long as you have paid bill. Okay. Um, she's a good friend of yours. You see her once or twice a month. >> When was the last time you met at 26? When we got back from Texas, I had she she needed some help with a few things. She messed up her computer. She had fonts that were first of all, she had this screen that she could read for her AOL account was like this teeny and the font was like 200. So, you couldn't Okay, she couldn't. So, I said, "Come on." She wanted to talk about Joe. She's she >> Where did you see her? At her house. At her house. >> Okay. What time of day? >> It was probably 7:00 7:30 at night. >> Okay. She played a messengers for me. She wanted me to hear these messages. >> So, you go to her house on Monday the 26th. And what do you guys talk about? >> We talked about Joe. We talked about the cars. She'd been looking out the window waiting to see when the cars were no longer there because they would be repo cuz he had Joe hadn't paid the car payment. >> One or both? >> Two car both cars. His car and her car. They're both from Nissan. They're both from the same dealership. Don't want to get a repo. Just call them up and tell them you want to give them a call back. Don't get a repo on your on your uh record. You don't want a repo. So that was part of the conversation and then she played messages which were insane and I've heard several different messages over the last couple months uh well actually over the last month because that's when he's been out of the house and they were like I'm dying of cancer. I got two months to live crazy stuff and messages from who? >> From Joe >> and she's on her machine on her house >> on her house machine. on her house machine. >> Okay. And there was another one that So another one that Why I don't Why you doing this to me? I don't know. Why are you doing this? I'm homeless. I'm out in the street. I have nothing. She played that one. And then she told me that she had spotted Joe down the block sleeping in his car across her ways a thing. This was at >> the 26th I was over there. would have to be that week before cuz I was in Texas, you know, prior to me the 26th, prior to me going over there. She she had seen him. Then he was sleeping in her alcohol. There's like a little chair where she sits and smokes. He was sleeping there. >> Okay. >> Now, she locked him out of the house. He didn't have a key. Did not have a key. I'm I'm 99.9% positive. She didn't want him key. She didn't want him in his life. She wanted in her life. She wanted him gone. She told you that >> more than told me more than once. More than once she told me that she wanted them so far gone. It's ridiculous. I So what I did was This is really weird. I So I I find out cuz maybe you called me or somebody called me on on Monday or something like that last week. >> No, I didn't call you on Monday. >> Somebody Somebody did. Okay. >> Somebody called me, but somebody called. So I think it was on Tuesday. I an evening I called Joe up. I just I was hoping you called him through the >> probably 8 9:00 some 8:00. So I wanted to see I was hoping that he was you guys had him. So I called him. He didn't answer the phone. Went the voicemail, right? No more read the voicemail. >> And then he calls me back 5 minutes later. Calls me back 5 minutes later and I the first thing I said was Joe. Where Joe? Where Joe? And oh no no I thought she was with you. >> Oh wait a second. Hold on. Hold on. Let me let me let me backtrack. You were at our house Monday. >> This is second Monday. This is past Monday >> before Thanksgiving. >> For [clears throat] no Thanksgiving the 26th. I was at our house on the 26th after Thanksgiving. >> After Thanksgiving. >> After Thanksgiving. Okay. >> So, you're at our house on Monday the 26th. Correct. And she's playing these messages for you. >> She's playing messages for me. >> And you know that Joe is not in the house with her. >> Correct. >> He doesn't have a key sleeping outside down the block leaving messages. He's homeless. It's got cancer all >> and and how long did you stay at the house with her? >> Probably about an hour. >> Okay. >> Fixed the computer, put some boxes up in the garage and stuff like that. Whatever she needed. She's 80 lb so wet. She's a teeny little thing. >> Okay. Do you then leave? >> Yeah. >> Now Tuesday, you you call Joe? >> I think it was Tuesday. It was Tuesday or Wednesday, but I did call Joe in the evening. >> Okay. Have your phone. >> I have it in my car. If you need it, I'll get it. Not a problem. Not a problem. I'll get the specific. >> It wasn't the Tuesday. It was this last 27th. 28. It was just this past Tuesday. Just talking about December. >> That just passed. Yeah. December. Last Tuesday. Few days ago. >> The day. Yeah. >> Few days ago. Yeah. Okay. So, a few days ago after cuz after I found time when the sunrise police department called me. First thing that comes to my head is Joe. First thing. So, I called him. So then So then he he started saying, "Yeah, isn't she with you? What kind of car do you drive?" I said, "A brown." What kind of car? Cadillac. A brown. Cadillac. I said Cadillac. Then he said, "What color?" I said, "Brown. And and I said, "Joe, God forbid you did something to him. God forbid the phone." That's was the end of the conversation I had. And the weird thing was when I called Joe, he didn't sound concerned. He just There was the tone of his voice. It wasn't like a concern tone. >> Mhm. >> And that was weird. If he comes with me [laughter] on him over there with a baseball bat, >> I mean, he he's he's threatening though. It's very frightening because so because this happened years ago. Last time I really had interaction with was at the Hard Rock Hotel and I was with my girlfriend James. >> Hard Rock Hotel. What happened? >> We went to the Hard Rock to show to a show. I went four of >> you. >> Yes. My girlfriend Jesse. So all of a sudden he gets grabbed in the casino uh by security and a guy that said that Joe had grabbed his daughter's behind young girl young. The whole thing gets confrontational between the security guard and Joe. And then there was one security guard and I get in the middle. I says, "No, no, China. China trying to call his name." He pushes me and he's twice the size as I am. knocks me down and ends up fighting screw against him. I heard they locked him up. So I go off and tell me later that he ripped up [snorts] too, you know. This just not something's not right with this dude, you know. And I I I just >> Well, that's why we have to ask questions and we have to >> I'll do whatever you guys need. I have no >> because I wouldn't listen my best friend. I'm going to protect that person. >> Okay, >> that's all. That's just why we have to be >> not hide them to police. Especially not in this circumstance where she needs We need to know if she's okay. We really need to know if she's okay because she's a lot of people worried, >> right? >> A lot of people are really worried about her. Not a lot, but her family and close friends and people are worried about her. >> I just know he's so bad. He's bad. >> Has he ever heard her that you know him physically? >> Yes. about but not pushed her. Pushed her. Yeah. >> Has she ever now I know there were reports at the house but has she ever expressed to you that you know she's afraid of him or >> Oh yeah. >> Now going back to your two relationship. I know you guys met 11 12 years ago. >> How now you're friends. You've never been romantically involved with her. >> No my buddy. >> She never wanted anything more. You know what? You She's my friend. I got friends with her. >> Oh, no. I'm just asking. >> She's my friend. She's my buddy. And she doesn't have a lot of friends. She goes to the gym. That's her big thing. Goes to the gym. Spends hours in the gym every day. I'm like, she's thin as real. She's like, "Why you spending so much time? You need to put some meat on your bones." And she's really skinny. Real skinny. Real skinny. But a sweetheart. >> Despite being high school sweethearts, the nature of Joseph and Janine's relationship wasn't a secret. One of Janine's neighbors, Ivet, testified to witnessing the emotional and physical violence Janine was going through. >> What What did she tell you about her marriage to [clears throat] Joseph Triger? >> She was very disappointed because she found that he um she found out that he has he had been stealing from her. She didn't trust him. She was also very very angry with him. For what reason? >> Because she felt betrayed. >> And did she tell you why she felt betrayed? >> Because he was stealing from her. >> He stole everything from her. >> Okay. >> According to her, Max had all her credit cards. >> Um, what else? [sighs] >> Max out her credit cards. We steal things from the house. She didn't feel that her valuables were safe, so she took them to her father's. That kind of thing. >> Okay. And I think um I think the reason she felt so upset was because she seemed to really love him. >> She always said they were high school sweethearts. >> Okay. So she felt betrayed. So did she come out and tell you she felt betrayed? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Very very clearly. >> Yeah. That was before Thanksgiving, maybe around November 3rd. >> Okay. >> The day when she called cops on him. >> Okay. So that was November >> the first time. That was November 3rd. >> Yeah. >> Um I heard her say, "I I want you out >> on November 3rd." >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I'm calling the cops and if I were you, I would be gone before they get here. >> But then she didn't want to press charges on him. >> Okay. >> She didn't want him arrested. [clears throat] She just wanted him out. >> So let's talk about >> She didn't want him to go back to jail because I guess maybe. But the biggest turn in the case came on December 7th when a call came in from Joseph's stepfather, Michael. He called the police and stated he was 100% sure Joseph had killed Janine. >> What did you want to talk to to me about, sir? >> Um, pretty much it is Jackie and my belief 100% that Joey has hurt This is not a missing person case. He has probably assaulted her, very possibly killed her. We've been talking to for a month every night. >> Okay. >> I think we even know more about what's been going on than her mother or father because she wasn't telling them everything. >> Okay. And you know what the timeline the last time we talked to that we talked to her was November 27th. That would have been Tuesday night at 700 p.m. >> Okay. She had a phone conversation with her. And how long how long did that last? >> That phone call probably lasted an hour. But prior to that, we had talked to her every day for almost a month for at least 2 to three hours every day. >> Okay. >> About what's been going on there and the truth of the situation between her and him. >> And Joseph is your I'm sorry, he's your son, biological or stepson? >> He's my stepson. He's Jackie's biological son. He's >> Jackie. Step. Correct. >> Yeah. Okay. I've known Joey since he was 18. >> Okay. >> Um, actually, this is very possibly. Again, I don't cover things. Have you guys Are you aware of Joey's record? >> Yes, I am. >> Okay. So, including New York? >> Yes. >> Okay. He assaulted a girl named in New York. He assaulted, you know, he went to prison for attempted murder, but his And this situation is exactly the kind of stuff that Joey does. I in in growing up or being around Joey in the past, I had to stop him from assaulting his own mother. >> I had to stop him the first time we ever met went to jail from assaulting her. >> Um, this is what Joey does. Joey has this like temper that you he can be fine, but all of a sudden you say the wrong thing to him and trigger him and he just goes off. >> As officers dug deeper into Joseph's criminal past, they found out he had a documented history of severe domestic violence. In July 1997 in Sandaval County, New Mexico, Joseph brutally attacked his then wife after she stated she wanted a divorce. He ambushed her wearing black gloves, attempted to strangle her with a cord, broke her foot with a wooden baseball bat, and violated her. He was convicted of attempted firstdegree murder, criminalation, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and false imprisonment. He served prison time and was subsequently registered as a convicted. Joseph's ex-wife Martha was also approached by investigators and she confirmed what they had discovered about his past. >> How was your relationship while you're >> It was from the get-go it was um off and on. It was it was not good. It was a volatile relationship. I realized that about seven years after Oh, I mean it was throughout um our lasted about six or seven years when I decided to leave for good. >> And why did you decide to leave? >> Well, at the very beginning of our after we got grandmother told me that he was battling a drug and when I wanted to leave at that time, there was a lot of, you know, guilt between my family and his family to ask me to not leave and try to help him. They >> they thought I was good for his um life at the time. and I faith. Um but ultimately, you know, there was a lot of drug, there was a lot of gambling. Um there was a lot of verbal, a lot of, you know, you know, verbal threats and I ultimately left because of his violence. >> Okay. >> Actually left him in 1997. >> Okay. And that's when I actually left the state. And I was um I had trusted his mother and his stepdad at the time to help keep me and my my children safe because they knew of his violent tendencies. But when I left Illinois, I left for a few months, a couple of months, and both of, you know, his mother Jackie and his stepfather Michael told him where I was, and they were arranging a flight for him to go out to Illinois. So, I came back home um in 1997. So when I came back home to New Mexico, um I had told them that's when I wanted to not I wasn't going to do the back and forth anymore. I didn't feel safe. My children weren't safe. There were incidences that happened between us um in our >> uh that ended up in domestic violence um charges against him. >> So at that time I just I couldn't take anymore. I told him I wanted the and it was um shortly after I had told him that that he attacked me. >> This new information blew the case wide open on December 7th. Shortly after John was interviewed, Joseph was called in for questioning. >> Joe, first off, thanks for coming in. >> Okay. >> I appreciate your cooperation. You understand you're here voluntarily. Don't force you in here. You can leave anytime. You've been very cooperative. We appreciate that. You gave us permission to look inside your residence and both vehicles at the residence and you signed consent forms, correct? >> Okay. >> Um, can you state your complete name? >> Joseph Edward Trader. >> Your date of birth? >> 101368. >> And your address and phone number. >> Cell phone 9548826102. Home number 954886912. >> Okay. Thank you. You are married to who? >> And how long have you been married? >> Since Jan uh excuse me, since June 21st of 2008. >> And how long have you known? >> 40 years. >> How old are you, sir? >> 50. >> Okay. You've known for a very long time. >> Yes. your mother-in-law, right? >> She actually filed this this information report regarding her daughter. >> Mhm. >> And that was done on Sunday. >> That would have been the second report filed. >> Okay. Correct. >> You contacted the police first? >> 6:00 a.m. on Sunday morning. >> 6 a.m. on Sunday morning. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And did you file a report or what happened? No, the two officers came by. There was a male and a female. Uh they basically just I mean in short they looked around the house. They basically look to see if anything looked unusual. Uh >> I told them what had gone. I mean you know that I hadn't seen her since Thursday. Their response to me was basically she's 50 years old. Women take off all the time. I we are not going to actively search for her. Okay. He suggested that I call the hospitals the more, you know, things like that. See if you know. >> Okay. And and I want to just be clear, we we've been talk I've been talking to you at your hospital for a couple hours now about >> everything under the sun from sports to weather to TV shows, but I I have to be frank here and I [clears throat] got to ask you some matter of fact questions. Okay? So, I hope I don't want to make you uncomfortable because you've been very comfortable, me and you. Uh but I I I need to get to the matter at hand. Okay? You last saw your wife when? >> Thursday morning 7:00 a.m. >> What was she doing? >> Getting ready to leave. >> For where? >> I have no idea. >> Where did she usually go with that hour? >> Well, it Okay. Anywhere from a doctor's appointment to the gym. I mean, it could have been The fact that she was up that early was not out of the ordinary. >> Okay. >> Her behavior was out of the ordinary that morning. Just as like I said, she was very frantic like I got to get ready. Got to get ready. Got to get ready. But she did not elaborate any more than what I've told you already. >> Okay. So, you when you left the residence to go to work and where do you work? >> Uh I keep forgetting the address, but the name of I got it right here. Hold on. Uh it's called Trillium and it's 3407 Northwest 9th Avenue. Sweet 200 which is power line. So 347 power line. >> And what do you do there? >> Uh telephone sales. >> And how long have you been there? >> Yeah. As a matter of fact, Thursday was my first day. >> This Thursday morning when you left >> Thursday that you left and she that was the last time you saw her was your first day. >> That was my first day of officially working for the company. >> Okay. So you leave at 7:00 a.m. Yes. And she's in the house getting ready. Yes. How is she how is she dressed or what is she putting on? >> She was still in her pajamas at the time. >> Okay. So, when you left, she was in her pajamas. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, I do not know what she wore to leave the house. >> And what kind of conversation did you have that morning? >> Just typical like have a good day. Uh, good luck with your new job, but I got to go. I I got to get ready. I mean, that was it wasn't much of a conversation. I mean, >> what what about the night before? >> Everything was fine. As a matter of fact, the night before, Wednesday, is when she asked me to move the car. Said, "Do not leave the car uh in the driveway." The one again, it's supposed to be repossessed. So, I moved the car to the spot that we had. >> So, let's talk about that for a minute. Sure. You have two vehicles, correct? Yes. >> What are they? >> A 2018 Nissan Sentra and a 2018 Honda Civic. >> Okay. You're behind on the payments on which one? >> The Sentra. >> The Nissan Sentra. >> Yes. >> Okay. And that's about to be recodeed. Yes. >> Okay. So, what vehicle were you guys moving around? The Sentra. >> Yes. >> What vehicle did you drive typically on a daily? >> The Sentra is what I normally drove. >> Okay. That particular morning you left in what? >> The Civic. >> Okay. How long has this been going on where you've been behind on the payments on the Sentry? >> Three months. >> Okay. And she she was driving what? Well, like I was telling you earlier, the Civic is registered to me. Okay. She was driving. It was basically I bought her car, she bought me my car, type of thing. >> Okay. So, she was driving the Civic. >> Now, on Wednesday, when I she said to me, "Take the car." >> Uhhuh. >> Did not tell me about her father at this point. So, I still did not know that he was buying her a car. >> Okay. >> Okay. But the agreement was that I don't even know. I mean, okay. What I'm about to tell you now, there's some illegal. Okay. So, I don't want to like put myself that one. >> All right. Check it out. >> The decision was basically made that okay, the Civic is the cheaper car. >> Okay. >> All right. So, if we're going to save one, that's the one to save. Okay. Now my thought was we can be a onecar family. Okay. I did not know and I repeat I did not know that her father was buying her a car. >> However, she had taken it upon herself to already take everything out of the car. Said don't worry about it. I just need for today the car is parked around the block the Sentra. So my assumption was she was going to walk over take the Sentra and that's how she was going to go about her. So Wednesday night you moved the car where the centure where >> I moved it to uh the braceless whatever that other community is over there. >> Okay. And >> and when the officers came by let me say when the officers came by and asked me about that I told them exactly where the car was. They asked me how I got there. I told them I moved it there. >> You're talking about the officers at 6:00 a.m. Sunday? >> No. Sunday evening evening. >> Okay. >> Correct. >> Okay. And Wednesday night. Talk about Wednesday night. >> Wednesday night everything was fine. She was out with a friend. I don't know who the friend was. She actually told me she wasn't even going to be home. She was going to spend the night over there. But she actually came home in the middle of the night. >> What time did she come home? >> I don't know. That's when she woke me up and said, "Why is the car in the driveway?" I moved. >> Okay. You're saying approximately 2:00 a.m. >> I It could have been earlier, could have been late. I don't know. I mean, I walked All right. Hopefully, there's a camera that'll identify what time it was. I was wearing I'll tell you exactly cuz Wednesday night was actually a cold night. I had put on my sweatsuit, black pants, white stripe, same top, black white stripe. I drove the car directly to the spot and I walked back. >> Okay. >> So, >> Wednesday night? >> Yeah, it's Wednesday night. I have a request. She asked, you know, why is the car driveway? You know, so >> and you weren't expecting her home that night? >> Earlier in the day, she had told me she was going to spend she was drinking. Now, she came home that was fine. You know what I mean? So, Let's talk about before we before we get into when you returned home on Thursday. >> Let's get into your your relationship with her. You're recently back in that residence. Is that >> very recently? >> When when did you move out and when did you move back in? >> I never All right. I never technically moved out. >> Okay. >> But I was not staying at the house. Now, uh, [sighs] I I would say a month. I mean, >> what led to you moving out? >> Well, am I under anybody going to incriminate myself by telling you guys some illegal stuff here? >> I'm only concerned about finding your wife. >> Okay. I had I have a drug problem. >> Okay. >> Okay. And in October, she has this conversation with you basically telling you, "You need to clean up or you're not you're not staying with me." Is that correct? Well, what if that's close? That's very very >> Okay, make it I don't mean close. I want to be 100% accurate. What happened? >> If you're not going to pay, you're not going to stay. >> Okay. >> No money, no study. Basically, cash is king. If you're not, you know what I'm saying? Like that was basically her her exact words to me was if you could find money if I you could find money to put to pay me. >> Okay. >> So, you said you semiquas moved out. You were living in your car. What were you back and forth some nights or >> Oh, of course. I would come back to change clothes. I would come back to take showers. I would come back to I mean, she was still doing my laundry and everything. And every time I showed up, it was like, "Do you got money?" And if I had money, I could stay. If I didn't have money, I couldn't study. That type of thing. Now, as bad as I know this sounds and looks, there was never any true fighting, arguing. The last thing I ever wanted to do was ever disappoint or hurt her emotionally, physically, in any way, shape, or form. Okay. Throughout the interrogation, Joseph tried to make it seem like moving back into the house was Janine's idea, but that wasn't true. Friends and neighbors told investigators that Janine had no intention of letting Joseph move back in with her permanently. >> She has a drinking problem. >> Extreme. >> Talk about that. >> Huh? She has two glasses of wine. She can't stand up. >> Is this deli? It seems like it, but it's not. I mean, if Okay. [sighs] [gasps] >> You ever been around an alcoholic? >> Mhm. >> She is somebody who believes that she is not an alcoholic. She believes she can handle the alcohol and she cannot. The second she starts drinking, she becomes I mean there there's no better description of Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hyde than you will ever see. >> Okay? >> When she's drinking, she talks and says the meanest, most hurtful things that I mean, she will sit there and say, "You're nothing but you know, you ruined my life for 10 years, and I can't believe I this is the biggest mistake I ever made." Then of course, the next day it's all, I'm so sorry. I don't know what came over. I don't know why, you know, but it was a constant. >> So, how often is she drunk? >> Five days a week. I mean, she drinks a lot. I mean, she drinks often. It's not that she drinks a lot cuz she can't. >> And when is she usually drinking? >> When? >> What time of day? >> Oh, at night when she comes home. >> If she drinks, she's going to start at 6:30, 7:00. >> Does she work? >> No. >> Okay. So, you you returned home on Wednesday, November 28th. >> Yes. >> What time did you get to the house? >> Early. 8:30, 9:00. >> And was she home? >> Yeah. >> Did she invite you before you showed up? >> No. Well, I had texted her first. I told her that. That's right. Do you know? Okay. Wednesday was the day that I needed to get my social security card to go over to the other job, the Trillium. Okay. >> So, I had text said that I needed that. I when I got there, I wasn't expecting her to let me come in or come home. You know what I'm saying? Like, come back into the house. >> So, you went there for what reason? To get >> to get my social security card. >> Okay. And what time? >> While we were while I got there, when I got there, uh, we were sitting outside, >> which was what time? 8:30 a.m. >> Yeah, like 8 8:30 8:30 and go to I don't know somewhere in that area. It was early. It was uh Anyway, now that I remember, okay, I came to get the social security cards. We were talking outside smoking a cigarette. I basically told her everything that I just went through and then she >> said she didn't know about the >> No, she knew nothing. >> Okay. >> She knew nothing. And then I I came clean. I told her about it. And then she's like, "Joey, I want you to come home, but you can't you you've got to promise me that you're not going to, you know, use drugs." >> And that was it. >> What'd you tell her? You give me a chance. I promise I I'll stay away from >> Okay. Thursday. I just want I want Thursday you left at 7:00 a.m. You went to your work as your first day at your job? >> Yes. >> You made two charges on the debit card? >> Yes. >> Were you at work the entire day? >> So 2:00 or something. >> So you left work around 2 p.m. >> Something like that. >> And where did you go? >> Well, I know I ended up going to the casino, but >> the Isisle Casino. >> Yeah. Okay. And how long do you think you spent there? >> Couple hours. >> Okay. And then you went from the aisle casino to where? >> Home. >> And you arrived home at 6:00 or 6:30. >> Something like that. >> Expecting her to be there. >> Now you put We're going to talk about that in a minute. But you you put the debit card and your winnings from the casino. $500. >> 500. Not all my winnings, but 500 >> on the counter. >> Yes. >> Okay. So the the two checks aren't in play yet? >> No. >> Okay. You left her debit. She knew you had the debit card. >> Yes. >> She gave it to you Wednesday. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> You told her you had no money in the account. >> Yeah. I I know that I >> I'm just asking. >> Yeah. I listen and this is probably not looking good what you're saying, but yes, I did end up basically stealing $560 from her. >> That's fine. It is what it is. I just want to want to make sure the sequence of events is is correct. >> The sequence, you know, it's >> that we're understanding. >> All right. >> Thursday evening. >> Thursday evening when I came home from work, I put $500 for debit card to mail us. >> Okay. >> Okay. That that there. Okay. Yeah, we came home. >> You said you're expecting her to be home, but >> she thought she'd be home when I got home. >> Okay. She wasn't, obviously. >> So, Thursday night, what's going on in in your mind? >> In my mind, I'm like, well, now things have changed throughout the day because now I've been talking to my father all freaking day. >> Okay. Now, he said that he sat there till about 5:30 >> at >> at the house. >> Okay. >> Whether or not he did, I don't know. All right. So, he went to a >> matter of fact, I got home between 6:15 and 6:30 because I actually expected to see him and I talked to him cuz I was in traffic. Now, I remember this a lot more clearly. It was bumper to bumper traffic. I probably walked in the house right at 6:15. >> Okay. And when you walked in at 6:15, she wasn't there. >> She was not there. >> Okay. Did you attempt to call her? >> Of course. >> Okay. At what times? >> When I walked in the door. >> Okay. I mean, I would like literally within a minute, 2 minutes of me walking in the door. >> Where are you? >> Okay. Did you >> What time you going to be home? >> Did you leave her voice message? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And how many times throughout the night did you call her? >> I don't know. >> Approximately >> three, four, I don't know. >> Did you leave a voice message each time? >> No. Uh, when the phone was actually the phone was dead, I mean, I would call go straight to voicemail. So, I mean, I left a couple messages, one message. I I don't remember exactly. >> Okay. >> I was a little aggravated at that point that she wasn't home. So, I'm not going to lie to you. >> Why Why are you aggravating? >> She was gone. Like, she wasn't answering the phone. She was, you know what I'm saying? >> Okay. >> Like, what the hell are you doing? Why are you not picking up? I mean, I think I sent her three or four texts that night, too. She never responded. You said pri prior to you arriving at the house, you had been speaking with the father throughout the day. Yes. What was going on with that? >> Well, he is not a very nice individual, but he he was basically like, tell that I'm never going to help her again. And you know, >> so he went to your house at what time that morning? >> Well, he told me 8:30. >> Okay. And and according to him, she wasn't there. Correct. >> Okay. So, from 7:00 a.m. to 8:30, she left the residence. >> Had to. >> Okay. And he tells you, well, first of all, does he call you or do you call him? >> Oh, he called me. >> At what time? >> I think it was about 11:30. Okay. >> First time. >> And what does he tell you? He asked me if was >> I said, "Did he know you were out of the house or you had >> Well, everybody knew the situation about us being, you know, kind of split up, kind of not split up. >> So, her mother and father knew. >> Yeah. She tell everybody. >> Okay. So, >> anybody that would listen. >> So, he calls you at 11:30 >> questioning. Not questioning, just saying Joey is. I said, well, he's either at the gym or the doctor. And then he told me, well, she said she had no doctor's appointments today. And that's when he told me that he was there to get her a car. >> What' you say? >> News to me. >> Did he remain there or did he tell you? >> He said that he stayed there till about 5, 5:30. >> Okay. >> I don't know if that's true. >> Did you talk to him beyond 11:30? Beyond that initial call that he called you? >> Yeah. He called me three, four times >> throughout the day. Yeah. >> Okay. Asking me what >> I heard from her. Did she call me? I mean, there was nothing at that point. He was more off that she stood him up than anything. >> Okay. >> Like that was his major concern was that this out. I mean, that's how he was talking to me. >> Okay. >> U like I said, he's not a very nice individual. He's a very selfish person, but that's uh doesn't need to get out of >> So, he called you three or four times throughout the afternoon >> asking where she is. >> Asking if I if I talked to her. Yeah. >> Okay. Did you attempt to call her in the daytime? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I also left her messages. I left I called the house. I left a message there. I left messages. >> I I know this is going back a week. >> Yeah. >> Now, but what times did you call her throughout the day while you were at work or the casino? >> Well, okay. pretty much if he get when he called me I would call like how come you're not I mean one of the messages I know it's still there but was like your father wants me this one might have been on Friday then no it's Thursday I don't whatever date I left this message is on the machine okay because I was hoping that she was there and she heard the lesson heard the message but anyway >> he basically told me that I it had to be Friday because I he wanted me to take her to pick up the car that he was no longer going to get involved. >> Okay. Well, let's I want to stay on Thursday right now. >> Thursday. Okay. >> He calls you at 11:30 >> for the first time. >> For the first time. He calls you three or four subsequent times that afternoon. Correct. >> Yes. >> Asking if you have had any contact. >> Yes. >> Throughout the day when you were at work, did you call her? >> Yeah. >> Okay. How many times and when did you call her? I would have to check my phone, but I mean I must have called three or four times. Every time he called me, I would call be like, "Maybe you should pick up to me." I know I left at least a couple messages. I left a message on the house phone. I mean, uh, >> at this point, I'm not thinking anything's wrong, >> okay? >> I'm just saying like it wasn't like, you know, there was no panic at this point. >> Okay. Thursday night when your wife didn't come home, you told me that's not normal. >> It is not. I have to ask you why you didn't call the police at that time. >> Literally, I'm not the cop calling type. I mean, I I just Does it sound stupid? Probably, but I expected that she'd be home. I really did. I expected everything would be fine. I knew she wasn't driving, so I figured she's with a friend. She's okay. Everything's all right. In a pretty interesting turn of events, when police reviewed Janine's phone records, they discovered that Joseph called Janine just 3 minutes before he arrived on November 28th. She never answered, and her phone stopped responding completely around the time he entered the house. That also explained why every call Joseph made afterward went straight to voicemail. This left investigators with two possibilities. Either Joseph was genuinely worried and trying to reach her, or he had fabricated the entire thing to make it look like he was actively searching for his missing wife. One of Janine's neighbors and close friends, Deborah, had also sent her several follow-up texts to check in on her. >> Yeah. >> Let me let me ask this. Would it be unusual >> for her to go this long without contacting you? >> No. Cuz even if we wouldn't be unusual for her not to contact >> It would be unusual. It would be okay. That's what I want. Okay. So, it would be unusual for her to go this long without >> Yeah. Because either I would see her walking there with my dogs or I would I would check on her cuz I did check on her. Or when they said in the paper she was known to be missing for That's not true. She was never and and even when I didn't speak to her, when she went out to go to the gym, there was honk and a wave. I mean, maybe like almost every day honk and wave or whatever. You know what I mean? I I just knew. And that's why I texted her, "Both cars are in the driveway. are you okay? And he was sleeping in Los Breezes and um that car I knew the cars. So then um that's how I knew something was wrong because both cars were pulled into the driveway. So I text her and I for that I spoke to her. >> What day are we talking about? >> See that's what if Well, I'll show you my text cuz I I don't know the date. >> Okay. >> But I never got a response back from that text. And then when I did get a response, I told like my neighbors that that wasn't her that responded. >> Okay, >> I could tell it wasn't her. >> Deborah's suspicions and Joseph's reluctance to involve the police were clearly indicating there was something more sinister at play. And just as officers were trying to make sense of the timeline, Joseph cunningly introduced Jon into the conversation as a possible suspect. >> At what time did you return home? >> Oh, Friday. I was home regular time. 600 6:30. 600 6:30. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You returned home and >> I'm expecting John Gro to show up. >> Okay. Now, who is John Gro? >> All right. John Gro is the guy that you guys that that her mother is pointing, you know. Anyway, I'm expecting John Gro to show up Friday evening. He was supposed to sleep over at the house. >> Why? >> Cuz they were having the yard sale Saturday morning. >> Who told you he was supposed to sleep over? >> She did. When did she tell you that? >> I mean, that was the plan all along. >> No, but when did she tell you that? >> Initially. >> Yeah. >> Two months ago. >> Okay. >> I'm saying I mean she reminded me on Wednesday, but >> Okay. So, John is who? To her and you. >> Well, he's her friend. They are extremely close. I would describe them more as brother and sister than friends. I mean, they're real tight. >> Now, I only know him through her. >> Okay. So, >> and he was supposed to sleep over on what night? >> Friday night. >> Why? >> Because they was going to have the yard sale Saturday morning. >> Okay. >> See, now up until this point, >> so when you go ahead interrupt you for one second. >> Yeah. >> When you arrive home Friday after the casino, you're expecting who to be at the house? >> Well, I'm always expecting home. >> Okay. >> She wasn't home yet. I'm expecting John Gro to show up. >> Okay. Now, the whole plan all along, and they've been planning this for weeks, if not months, uh, he's been slowly bringing all that crap into the garage and dropping it off, dropping it off, dropping it off. So, finally, the date was set for December 1st. Saturday was December 1st, right? >> All right. So, John is supposed to come sleep over Friday night, but they're going to get up at 4:00 in the morning to start setting everything up to start the yard sale at 6:00. Okay, >> that is the plan. >> Okay. Did you ever talk to John? >> Well, later on. >> I'm talking about Friday. >> No. >> Okay. You're just expecting him to show up? >> Yes. >> Because they're both doing the garage sale >> together. Yes. >> Saturday morning. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Now, I'm expecting John to show up. >> Okay. >> Never shows up. >> Did [snorts] you call him? >> No, I didn't have his number at the time. >> Okay. >> I got his number because he called me later. He called me What's Wednesday? He must have called me Monday. Okay. Anyway, we'll get to that. So, he doesn't show up on Friday. She never comes home Friday night. And I'm even expecting her to come walking in for the yard sale now at 4:5 in the morning. I mean, it's we're not doesn't show up. >> Okay. This is Saturday morning. >> Now, at Saturday, knowing that they were having this sale, knowing that this was the plan, knowing that the ads were placed, knowing all of this, now I'm in a panic. >> What time is this? What time do you wake up on Saturday? >> I never went to sleep. I was up all night. >> Okay. >> So, what time do you begin to panic? >> Saturday morning, I'm sitting there saying to myself, something's wrong. This ain't right. There's definitely, you know, but once again, John never called. >> Okay. They must be together. That's what's going on. They got to be. Why would he not show up? She's not here. He's not here. He never called. Doesn't make sense. Okay, they must be together. Now, I'm sitting there saying to myself, [sighs and gasps] she's in good hands. John's not going to hurt her. All right. Now, John might be keeping her safe and keeping her away and, you know, making sure that her father doesn't get in touch with her, making sure that I don't get in touch with her. He's a shoulder to cry on. All of that. >> Okay. Not one instance, not one thought would ever cross my mind that John would hurt her. >> Okay, >> so I'm thinking, "All right, she's in good hands. They must be together." >> Now everything in my head is starting to make sense. Somebody picked her up before her father got there. Who would pick her up? >> Then John would drive to China to go pick her up. You know, so he would do anything for her. >> So if you weren't concerned about John hurting her, why were you panicked? You just said you were a panic. >> S the fact that she wasn't home. >> Yes. I'm concerned. I'm panic. But now, like I said, now I'm starting to put everything together. Okay. So, I'm thinking they must be together. >> I never said that John would hurt her. I don't think he would hurt her. >> Okay. My initial reaction, she doesn't come home. Of course, I'm starting to panic. But anyway, now I'm logically trying to put all the pieces together. >> Okay. I'm thinking, "All right, she must be with him." >> With John. >> With John because he never showed up. He never called. He never did anything. He never You understand what I'm saying? >> Right. >> John never called on Sunday. >> I'm listening to you, sir. >> All right. >> When they don't show up Saturday morning, 4:00 or 5 in the morning, you said you you were starting to panic. >> Well, I'm I'm Yeah. Now I'm getting becoming a lot more concerned. >> Okay. And what did what did you do Saturday morning? Did you did you call the police? >> No, I waited till Sunday. >> Why? >> I don't know. I I I don't know. I can't answer. I mean, I'm still holding [clears throat] on saying that everything was okay. And I'm still thinking that >> Did you Did you ever call or or the her mother to to clarify how this information was known? Well, when when I spoke on Saturday and I don't remember what time this conversation was, that's when he basically said, "Well, Joey, you're her husband. Fill out a missing person's report. I don't want nothing to do with it." That type of >> So, Saturday when they don't show up to do the yard sale, you you do what? >> Did you stay home? Did you go to work? >> No, I I went out to clear my head. So, Saturday morning you go to the Bank of America, Western Road Trace around what time? >> 9:00 a.m. >> Okay. And then what do you do? >> I went home. >> And then what did you do? >> Well, then I grabbed another [snorts] check later on and I went and said, "Oh, maybe I could go make some money at the casino." >> Okay. >> I'm not proud of this. >> It's fine. It's fine. I just need to to have an understanding here. >> After you went home at 9:00 a.m., you did what? home. >> I don't know. Watch TV, laundry. I mean, I just whatever the hell you >> stayed at home. >> I wasn't there long. >> Okay. And then you went to You went back out >> to where? >> Well, I ended up at the casino. >> I mean, I went to Bank of America on university first. >> Okay. >> I mean, I basically I hated I hate having to say this, but yes, I I took another I stole another check. I brought it out to cash. I put it in my savings account, pulled the money out to go to the casino. >> Okay. At what casino did you go to? >> That was definitely a Hard Rock. >> That was a Hard Rock. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what time you arrived there? >> I don't know. 11:30, 12:00. >> Okay. At this point, you still have not heard from >> No, I from home. >> Did you attempt to call her on Saturday morning? >> Uh, sure I did. Yes. >> Do you remember when or how many times? I listen when I started actually it started 3 days earlier but you know as many times I called and I went check the voicemail a lot of times I just hung up cuz my assumption was she ain't listening to the freaking messages anyway. >> Okay. >> So >> what time did you leave the hard rock casino? [sighs] >> That's a question I don't know. Uh, I think I made it home by 9 at night. >> Okay. So, you were there? >> I was there a while. I was I was there for Yeah. >> I mean, I could be wrong an hour here or there, but I mean, I spent most of the day there. >> Okay. >> Over Can you just say over the last four days, >> four or five days that on multiple occasions something has been different in your house? >> Absolutely. 100% somebody has been in and out of that house. I do not know if it was I do not know if it was her father. I do not know if it was her mother. But I'm willing to say that it's been somebody other than those three people. And when I say other, I include in that because there is no way in the world is going to let some dog [ __ ] on that carpet and not clean it up. There is no way. >> Okay? >> No way. know how >> does it >> she is she is neurotic about being clean. >> Who else did mother have a dog? >> No. >> Her father >> none of us have a dog of the four people we used to have a dog. Like I told you myself none of us have a dog. Now maybe we should go get that bag and have it analyzed. I don't know. I'm just teasing with that. But what I'm saying is that dog was on the carpet. >> When >> when did you guys come over? When did I show it to you? >> Wednesday night. >> That was when that night. Whatever day you guys came over was the day that that I mean I know we just skipped four days here, but that dog was there. I don't know how it got there. I don't know whose dog it was. I have no clue on that. But I'm that particular I would say it was not. >> Okay. >> For three different reasons. >> What's that? >> Well would never allow a dog carpet and not clean it up. There is no way know how >> the other two don't have a dog. Okay. >> I'm just saying there is I am confident to say that it was not >> with that I you could not convince me that she would allow that to happen. Okay. >> And that's >> so that we're not we're not sure about that, >> but >> but somebody was in the house. Okay. And I don't know who. >> And there were no signs of forced entry at to your res. >> No, no, no. Correct. Okay. >> You You don't find it odd that >> I find a lot of this odd. But >> the day she told you to come back to the house the very next day or morning, you haven't seen her since. Under normal circumstances, I would say yes. I find it very strange. Unfortunately, like I was trying to explain to you earlier, I do believe I am the reason that she she's gotten this. >> Where do you think she is? >> I have no idea. I mean, I believe in my heart she's safe with a friend somewhere, but I don't know who and I don't know where. >> Okay. Where where would where would she typically go? >> John Rose. is a friend that I could see she would go to, but she's got other friends. I look, I I don't want to give you the wrong impression here. I am not trying to point the fingers at John. I'm not saying that he's, you know, got her in. I don't I don't know. I really don't know. But they are that close. >> Okay. >> So, I mean, at the end of the day, if she was with him, I'd know she's safe. Let's put it that way. >> Okay. She's got other friends that would I mean I don't think she skipped town. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she went up to New York. I don't think >> Does she have family in New York? >> What's that? >> Does she have family in New York? >> Yeah, she had best friends there, too. She got plenty of like like I was saying, I mean, there are plenty of places that she could have gone just to get away. I don't know if any of that is true. I mean, again, I'm not trying to I don't want to speculate. I don't want to say things that, you know, are not true. I mean, but I but >> No, >> there are plenty. >> No, Saturday night. You don't think you called her? Did you ever call John? I know you said >> I didn't have his number, right? >> Okay. The number. >> You haven't spoken to John. >> I have. >> When? >> Well, [sighs] today's what? Wednesday. Had to be Monday night. >> Okay. Everything Joseph had said so far seemed to align with the facts once detectives reviewed security footage from the neighborhood and the casino. The footage confirmed that he was indeed there for most of the time. However, there was still something that didn't add up. On the night of Wednesday, November 28th, when Joseph arrived at the house, Janine was never seen leaving it afterward, which could only mean one thing. She was still inside the house. And you called the police at 6:00 a.m. >> Oh, it was 6:00 a.m. sharp. >> They showed up around 7 7:15 and then called me later in the day and that's how you remember what time called you [sighs and gasps] 4:00 3:30 4:00 >> in the afternoon. >> Yeah. >> And what did she tell you? Well, initially she asked me, "Joe, can you give a message?" I said, "What do you mean give her a message? I haven't seen her since Thursday." She's like, "What are you talking?" And that's when she >> What did she say? >> For the first time hadn't been home. >> What What did she say to you? >> Why? >> Why is she calling you? >> Cuz she hadn't heard. >> Okay. And she calls you to tell you what? >> To get message. Tell her to call me when she gets hit. >> Okay. And I said, "I'd love to, except for the fact that I haven't seen her. I actually called the cops this morning to file a, you know, a missing person." >> Calls you at 3:30, 4:00. >> Yeah. >> And asked you to give message. >> Yeah. >> And then what happened? How'd that conversation go? >> Well, she went into a panic >> after what? Well, after I told her that I hadn't since Thursday and then I told her that I had talked to the police for the report, she said, "Well," then she said, "Well, I'm calling the police. I'm going over to the house now." >> You told her what? You called the police. >> Yeah. >> And what'd she say? I'm calling the police. >> And she said she was calling the police. >> Okay. >> Like, all right. So I she said she was heading to the house and I told her I'll meet you there. >> Where were you? >> I don't remember. I think I was watching a game somewhere. Or is >> Were you at the casino? >> I might have been at the casino. >> So you met >> But anyway, I rushed over to the house. When I got there, standing outside with one of the officers. Two officers were already in the house. She had let them in. Now >> she called the police. Yeah. She called him on the second. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Now, I don't know what she said to them. What they said to me >> made no sense. >> What did they say? >> Well, they said to me that called thinking that was in the house. >> The officers are telling you this. >> Well, that's what Yeah, that's what Again, I don't know if they're telling me the truth. I just want to be clear. >> One of the officers told me that she called because she was worried. >> However, the same officer that told me that knew that I had called earlier in the day. >> Okay. >> Was missing. >> Okay. >> So whether or not he was being truthful about her, I don't know. You know, I wasn't there for so I'm just telling you what what I was told. >> Okay. >> Refused to go into the house. Okay. She her excuse was she was afraid to walk in there and find her daughter dead on the ground. That's what she you know basically was saying. Anyhow, the officer that had told me said basically also told me like, "Joe, didn't you call us here this morning?" >> They're like, "Yeah, I you know, I filed the report at six o'clock." >> Right. >> So anyway, uh I didn't come Well, I didn't initially go into the house. I let them do what they were doing. They I don't know what they were doing. I mean, obviously they were searching, looking, making sure everything was normal, whatever, right? >> Uh and I sat outside talking. >> Okay. >> Now, to be honest with you, when she told me she was calling the cops after I told was missing, my first reaction was like, "Oh, this she thinks I did something to her." Like that's that was my first okay, >> you know, like the way she sounded. But when I got there, it wasn't like that. I mean, that wasn't the impression I got when I got there. You know what? >> That's not the impression you got from her. >> No. >> Okay. >> It was on the phone. >> Okay. >> But it wasn't when I got there. >> Okay. >> I mean, when I got there, >> what did she say on the phone? When you told her, "Look, I called the cops this morning. I haven't spoken with her in >> Oh, no. I'm calling the police right now. I'm calling the police." All right. Good. Call. >> Did you tell her you had called? Yeah. Okay. Of course. >> Okay. And again, you hadn't spoken to her. >> Yeah. Since when? >> Uh maybe we saw each other one time over the last year. >> Okay. So, definitely not last week. >> Last week. >> Say you never spoke to her during the week at all. >> No. >> Prior to Sunday, >> you did not have any contact. >> No. >> Okay. >> Now, I can't stop talking to her. When you spoke to her at at 3:30 to 4 p.m., you >> I told her that I called the police because I had not seen since Thursday morning. >> But you questioned her about the information you >> Yes. >> And what was her response to you? >> I mean, I'm referring to the information that you thought she was okay. Well, [sighs and gasps] she said something and I don't remember what the hell she said to be honest with you, but I basically told her that I thought you knew. And she said, "No, >> I talked to her Wednesday and I haven't heard from her since." And I said, "Well, I saw her Thursday morning. Haven't seen her since." >> Okay. But when he called made it see I take it back. I said made it seem like you had been in contact. You told >> Yes. >> And and her response was >> no. >> Okay. >> Now I I look I I know coming from I mean I I can't keep up with them. So I'm just saying like it was a shock to me. It was more of a shock because this is in in all honesty, this is the first time hearing anything being missing. >> Okay, now I understand her freaking out. I also understand when she said everything was fine and she didn't know anything was wrong. So, what is she what's her typical day? I mean, she goes I understand she has a lot of doctor's appointments. What else does she do? >> The gym. >> The gym. Okay. >> Publix. The gym and the doctors. >> Okay. That's her thing. >> Every day. >> How often does she go to the gym? >> Three times a day. >> Every day. >> Okay. >> She loves the gym. And like I was, you know, telling you earlier, I mean, to to me, she found more of a social activity. >> Mhm. >> I mean, she likes to working out and everything, but I think it's more about just getting together with the girls and everything. She's Listen, she's she's become close friends with a number of girls there. >> Okay. I've only met one and the only reason I met the one was because I met her at the gym one day. Uh, >> how many gyms does she go to? >> What are the names of them? >> Well, there's the Ultimate and uh Pure Is it Pure Bar? Pure I think Pure Bar. Pure Bar. >> Okay. So, she loves the gym. >> Yeah. >> So, her day is filled with the gym, doctor's appointments, and Publix. Is that what >> Well, Publix is it's a it's a running joke we have with Publix. But I mean anyway I mean yeah I the gym and the doctors I mean the the you didn't understand the public jokes >> prior to that >> your relationship with her was you would describe as what [sighs] >> had you ever been separated before? >> No. >> Had she ever asked you to leave the house before? >> No. >> Okay. So your relationship with her was what? You know, I don't want to say a typical marriage because everybody has their little spiffs and everything, but we had a good relationship up until August 21st of 2017. I mean, >> okay. >> Okay. >> That's when you admitted to the to the >> That's when it all came crashing down. >> Does she use drugs? >> No, she drinks and when she was doing the huffing. >> Okay. >> I mean, I hid this from her for years. >> Yeah. Was that something you wanted? >> When you told her in August, was it a surprise to her? >> Oh my god. H I felt so bad. Yeah, it was a surprise. I was just saying it was I felt terrible just from her reaction. >> And what what made you decide to tell her? >> You know, when you just get to a point where you just can't hide it anymore. I mean, it was stupid. [clears throat] There was no point in like I mean I freaking I listen I'm not going to sit here I >> Okay. >> I mean I maxed out credit cards. I was you know behind I mean I I believe it was >> So at this point you don't know where she could be? >> No. I wish I knew where she was. I would love to know where she is. >> Has she ever done this before? >> No. No. Never. >> Ever. >> How often does she talk to her mom or >> every night? >> Her guy too. >> No, he put a stop to that. Like he he basically told her, "You don't call me so much. You're too much drama." Uh she's a very nosy person. >> Who? >> Okay. >> So, she asks questions that you probably wouldn't want. Like, she asked questions of her father that she shouldn't be asking. >> Okay. >> And he says things to her that really shouldn't be telling a kid. You know what I'm saying? I mean, as an example, uh just recently he was you talking about his new girlfriend and he's like she thinks she has a golden, you know, like you don't talk to your daughter, >> but she talks to her mother every day >> for the most part. I mean, they'll skip a day here or there, but I I mean, they probably talk multiple times a day. Uh, I mean, listen, if she's drinking at night, she won't get on the phone with anybody, but pretty much daily. I mean, >> okay. >> Like I said, if they miss a day here or there, that's unusual. >> Okay. >> Is there anything else you want you want to tell me? I know I can think of >> one thing I didn't ask you about that you mentioned [clears throat] >> was >> a note that her father had left. >> Oh yeah. >> Talk about that >> gladly. You heard he took the note back. >> Correct. >> Okay. You heard it from him. >> Yeah. >> All right. Cuz we we were talking earlier. It's like I you know I hate telling you guys these things and all of a sudden not there and it's like hey I ain't making this stuff up. But anyway, he left a very nasty note >> when at your at the residence. >> He left it Thursday. When he left, >> okay, he basically I believe the last time I spoke to him on Thursday was about 5:45. Might have been 5:30, but 5:45 cuz I remember the conversation was I'll be home. I'm I'm trying to get home by 6:00, but I'm in bumper to bumper traffic, so I might be a few minutes late. That's why I remember I got it at 6:15. Anyway, he left a note there and he told me, "Make sure she sees it. Make sure she gets it." And initially, he told me, "I want you to tell her that I'm done with her to never call me again. I want nothing to do with her. She's >> When did this conversation happen between you?" >> This conversation was literally 5:35, 5:40, 5:45, Thursday night. >> Thursday. Okay. And he's telling you what he left the note there. >> Well, he's telling me, Joey, you make sure she gets the note that I left. You make sure to tell her that I want nothing to do with her. You make sure to tell her that she's a disrespectful. I mean, he [clears throat] was going on. Now, I was not going to repeat what he said to her. I'll show it a note. Let us see what he wrote. You know what I mean? And the note was basic of your life. be disrespectful. Don't ever ask me for anything ever again. >> What did he mean by that? >> I disrespectful. >> No. What? What is his problem with her? >> She stood him up. >> Okay. It's all about her. >> It's all about him. >> Okay. But all about her not being ready to get the car. >> Yeah. Okay. >> She stood him up. >> That's what led to this note. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Joseph's statement wrapped up for the day. But there were two people who could have known what really happened to Janine. Her parents. It was now time for Joanne to answer questions and see if she could shed light on anything. >> What do you think of John? >> I think he's a piece of >> Okay. >> Excuse me in my language, but I'm sorry. >> Do you think What did your daughter think of him? >> He was very friendly with her. They made money together. >> I understand. >> Right. That's that's what it was. Was there a love relationship? I don't think so. >> Okay. But then again, I'm not swearing to nothing these days. >> I understand >> after what I've been finding out. So then I said, could it be somebody called her up and went to the house? You know, I don't know. >> Have no idea. >> Likely? >> No. >> I don't know. >> But they do. It happened before they called her and said, "We'll come and buy everything out." She said, "I had costume jewelry." And I told [clears throat] her, "Don't ever do that unless your husband is there." I mean, I'm a scary person. I read all those bad things. I always think >> Roger's fault. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you at this point don't have any idea where your daughter might be? >> No. Then the other thing is could she have fallen into a depression and maybe went to a friend that's says yeah you can come and stay here. Okay. >> When you didn't hear from her Thursday or Friday. >> Yeah. >> It was on Saturday. Saturday. You said Friday or Saturday you called Joseph. >> Yeah. Saturday I called him. I think it was the weekend >> that I called him. I didn't call Friday. No. >> Okay. >> Cuz see, if I didn't hear from her, she would send me an email. >> I was sending her emails and you know when you check status >> Mhm. >> it said something strange. Not available at this time. >> Okay. >> So, that's what made me think maybe she didn't pay her computer bill, >> right? >> You know what I'm trying to say? And So on Saturday, was it Saturday or Sunday? >> Sunday. Sunday. >> You told Joseph you were going to call the police. >> Yeah. And he called me back. >> I'm asking, was it was Sunday? >> I think it was Sunday. >> And then you actually did go to the residence and call the police. Is that correct? >> First I was going to Western Police Station. >> Okay. >> Cuz it's off Western Road. Then somebody told me, "No, no, where she lives, that's Sunrise." >> Okay. So I I I wasn't in shape to even drive here. My body was like this. >> Okay. >> So when I called up, I told him the situation. I told him I had a >> Mhm. >> Please, can you send somebody to me? >> Okay. >> Then I called him and I said, "Get here now. The cops are coming." >> You called Joseph? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And he did. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Has he been responsive to you when you called? >> Yeah. Today's the only day I haven't heard from him. So you have his cell phone. >> I have his phone. >> That's why. >> Oh, >> he can't call you back. >> Yeah. >> How come you have a cell phone? >> Just to do some investigating. >> Oh, okay. Good, good, good. You know, I even had said to him, Joey, tell the detective, you're so good in the computer. Pull down my history. Maybe she bought a plane ticket cuz the three cops that came to the house said, "She's 50 years old. She could have went on vacation." I said, "Not without her medicine, not without [clears throat] clothes, and she'd never leave her two cats." >> Right? >> You know what I'm trying to say? >> Oh, I understand. >> Something's fishy. Okay. >> Something's fishy. >> Okay. We're going to get to the bottom of it. I'm going to let you go. >> Um, I need you to sign that document. >> Okay. And please, can you call the stepfather so you know you know that he that's what he told you? >> That's my next phone. That's what we're gonna do. Well, I called him last night and I told him my daughter's missing. He said, "What?" >> Mhm. >> I says, "Yeah." I said, "And it brings me back to what you told me a couple of weeks ago that uh Joey has a temper and it there was somebody else he hit." I said, "Therefore, Mike, I'm giving detect the detectives at Sunrise your phone number." >> Okay. >> I said, "And you better get his father's number, Bruce, the retired cop. out in Albuquerque. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Nobody wanted him. >> He must have had a very bad pass with them. [clears throat] I never saw people. I mean, I don't have any money. My daughter's missing. I took $10 out of my bag and said, "Here, here's lunch money for you tomorrow. I'll buy cat food." >> Right? >> You know what I mean? I got a good heart. >> Right. >> That he must have done really bad things for everybody to turn against him >> now. His brother's on Facebook, Danny Trager. >> Oh, really? >> I I just sent him a request and he just answered me. >> Sent the brother a request? >> Yeah, I know. When we came down for a visit. >> What did you What did you ask him? >> I said, "Call me." >> Has he called you? >> No, I had to come here. It just happened. >> I had to come here. I put, "Please call me." And I put my phone number. Everybody goes, "Don't put your phone number on Facebook. Who cares at this point?" >> Right? >> You know what I'm trying to say? I need help. >> Okay? you know, so I really >> we're gonna do the very best to help you. >> I know that. I'm gonna have you sign this document because I put her in the system as missing. So, I need to sign something >> just so you say you're authorizing us to do that. >> Yes. Yeah. So, you can, you know, then there's the bank thing. A couple of years ago, she said, you know, my Joey's taking money and um she had a an accident case, so she had some money. How much? I don't know. I never asked her. She never said, but he was tapping the bank book. >> Okay. >> And she said, "Come with me to the bank. I'm going to put precise closes under your name as beneficiary." I said, "Are you sure?" >> You're also an authorized user. I looked into the account just so you know. >> On both. >> No, I'm precise. >> No, just the precise. >> And what about there's one PNC and one PNC? All right. now being afraid. Couple of years ago I I don't know if your husband ever finds out he could go after me. You know what I'm trying to say? He had that fresh temple like that. You know, and he was always sweating. >> Drenched. Yeah. Sweating. So Joey, maybe it's your thyroid. May >> that was the pills or whatever he was taking for drugs. Okay. >> That was it. But uh whatever you have to do, whatever you need my consent for look into, you got my word. If you would like to call my boss, Dr. >> to for a reference from me, you're welcome to Dr. Tannen Bomb knows me. >> You know what I'm trying to say? I'm a very responsible, reliable person. >> Concerning that you told me that she missed the November appointment. >> Yeah. Well, I just I didn't find that out until yesterday. Cleveland Clinic I called four times. >> Even um Health South changed their name. >> It's not Health South. It's Echo something, right? >> They know my daughter down there. And I said, "Please tell Dr. Tannon Bomb, Dr. Manager, >> mother, my daughter is missing." And I leave my phone number with everybody. Her gym called that. Do you know about the gym? She went there all the time. Is she a gym? >> Yes. >> Oh, I didn't know that. I only know one. >> The one gym they've been calling and I >> I'm sorry. >> Go ahead. >> I just thought of it. What pharmacy does she use? Do you know? >> I What's right across the street? Whether it's Walgreens on Western Road just south of Okay, >> I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. That's another thing. Her >> medicine went up like a hundred bucks each. another $200 a month that they they dropped her. So, I'm online looking in Canada trying to help her. We couldn't find anything. I I'll send you the extra money. Just make sure you take these pills. >> Right. >> So, >> but the neighbors, you spoke with the neighbors. There's a cop. >> Yes, I spoke. You already spoke to. >> Okay. He was very friendly with my daughter. >> Yes. >> For Joanne, everyone was a suspect. be it John or Joseph. That however couldn't be said for her father Vincent who clearly believed the person responsible for his daughter's disappearance was none other than her husband. >> So you spoke to her on Monday the 26th. Do you remember what time? >> I'd say about 7:00 around that time >> at night. >> Yeah. >> And what what was the conversation? >> She's there. I I have doctor's appointments Monday and t Tuesday and Wednesday. Thursday I'm free to pick the car up. And evidently I spoke to my neighbor. I f at first I thought that she wanted a better car than I could have got her, you know, and she was a little peeved about it and I thought she was being, you know, not not, you know, spoiled a little bit. Yeah. >> And I let it slide, you know, and I went to her house 8:30 in the morning. Nobody was there. >> You went there Thursday morning >> at 8:30. >> And you made plans to meet her there? >> Yes. >> On Monday? >> Yes. >> And >> nobody No cars were in the driveway. Nobody was there at all. Okay. >> I got the keys for a house. Did you go my >> Okay. >> All right. Now, God forbid. I'm thinking the worst right away, you know. >> All right. >> I went upstairs. I checked the whole house out. I see nothing. >> I went to I went to uh Cleveland Clinic Hospital. I asked, "Was my daughter here?" Right. You check your daughter's here yesterday on a on a Mon on a on a on a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. Right. She was there Wednesday. >> Okay. And I know she had a another appointment on a Tuesday with somebody else. I don't know who that was. She sees doctors like, you know, he goes to candy, you know. Okay. I mean, she's got a lot of major problems >> and uh let me see what else now. >> So, you go there Thursday morning. >> Yeah. All right. So, now now in myself, I got angry. >> I figured that she was being unappreciative about the car. >> Okay. >> Right. I write a little nasty note down. I can't believe what you did to me. I says, "Here I am trying to get you a car and this and that and you don't show up. You make me go crazy looking for you." I went to the gym where she works out. They took my phone number, everything. She had she said she wasn't here today cuz she goes to the gym three times a day, >> right? >> You know, and different days basically, you know, and I guess that's basically it, you know, u that I can recall. >> And then then after Thursday, I didn't know that she was missing. >> Well, hold on. Thursday you you went in the house, you left the the notes. >> Yeah. Right. Right. And then as the days went by, I thought she still I just thought she was afraid to tell me >> that that she don't want the car. >> Okay. Did you stay at her house Thursday and wait? >> No. No. I No. I walked in, walked out, right? Went looking all around. I went here, there, all over the place. Maybe where she went shopping. I went to certain places. I killed time. I stayed at the 5:00 at night, 8:30 in the morning. I stood around. >> Okay. >> All right. Then I went back into the house and I wrote the note and I seen a note from >> before maybe 2 3:00 I went back I went back into the house. I was starting to get disgusted and angry, you know, >> and and I wrote the note like I just said. >> Mhm. >> And I still hung around. I spoke to her neighbor next door. So I said, "Pie, do me a favor." She said, "I'm going to do something. I'm going to text Joey." Now, he wasn't supposed to be in the house at that point in time. She had thrown him out three weeks before. >> Okay. >> All right. >> She and she told you this. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. I could verify every word I'm telling you. Um, so she said, "I'm going to text her." She played dumb. She said, "Joe, uh, looking for this and that." Well, she had some doctor's appointments that she had to do some running around. But that's not She had no doctor's appointment. She told me >> on Thursday. >> On Thursday. Yeah. No doctor's appointments at all. >> Okay. >> And then I called up Joey. Joey, where is she? >> What time did you call? >> I I don't know what time, >> but on Thursday. Yeah, I'm I'm pretty sure I called. No, maybe I didn't call. Maybe I was just still peeved, okay, at the way she reacted because I waited two or three days before because I didn't think anything that she was missing by no means, you know. Okay. Right. I didn't even know he was in the house at that point in time. I found out later on. >> Well, let me ask you a question. You started saying um you found the note that he left. >> Yeah, he left the note. He says, "Uh, babe, thank thank you so so much for giving me uh my last chance. >> I won't disappoint you. Love Joey. >> Where? >> Huh? Where was he? >> I have I left there. I know. >> But where did you see >> on the counter? >> Okay. >> I put my note right next to his note. >> But he But when you had called me, you says there's a debit card missing. A debit card. He he he alleged that there was a debit card. >> There was no trust me. There was no debit card. >> Well, no. He said he came home from work Thursday and put money in a debit card there. Now, were you Did you enter the house between Thursday night and Friday night? >> No, >> you didn't. Okay. He said that between Thursday night and Friday night, a debit card and cash went missing, but you weren't there. >> No, no, not at all. >> That I remember perfectly. >> Okay. So, when you left Thursday early evening by 5, you said >> 5 I said I'm going home. You know, I had enough. Like I said, I never thought anything was wrong. I was just being that her because of the lack of, you know, appreciation basically. >> And then what happened the next day? >> I just let slide. I just, you know, I thought nothing of it. All right. She don't want the car. She's afraid to tell me. Or maybe she's afraid to tell me. She went back with Joey. I wasn't even sure. Now, >> course, like she knows I'm against it. But I told you, I never forced her hand to say leave. And all I told her, listen, >> you can start over tomorrow. I'll help you as much as I can. >> We'll take one step at a time. We'll get this life straightened out for you. >> Right. >> But like I said, I didn't want to be the one to tell her you should leave. Leave him. You got to make your own mind. I don't want to be told I shouldn't have listened to you and stuff like that. So that that's what I did. Listen, I love my daughter more than it's the truth. >> One second. >> Where do you think she is? >> I have no I think I think he killed him. As that I honestly think he killed her. He's that much of a loose cannon, a sick guy. If you read his profile, I mean I mean I mean his his father wasn't I think the detective and didn't speak for 10 12 years when he went to prison. His brother doesn't talk to him. There's so many I think his mother's mentally ill. >> Okay. >> And that's what I've heard from my daughter at the time. He lived in Illinois, I believe. >> Okay. >> You know, and I gave him a shot like I told you. And >> I realized he was no good. I always told her, "Watch yourself, this and that." You know, and at the end, she was brazen because she was she she loved him so much. >> And she couldn't believe that he he robbed all her credit cards, banged out all the all the money, and lied and continued to lie and lie. And yet, she still had his back to a certain extent. I couldn't understand. How could you not get that angry? Right. >> I don't care how much you love somebody to somebody. Of course. >> Right. Exactly. >> Right. >> And the police, called the police, get an order of protection, get something, please. She wouldn't do it. >> How do you think this interaction between the two of them came about if he wasn't living with her? How how did we get to this point? >> How do we get to this point? Because he was not contributing anymore. He lost his job. >> Then he says he lied. He said he had jobs. He was he lied with the best of him. >> Okay. >> I mean, and she might maybe she was a little gullible. She believed some of this stuff because she loved him. He called up the he's got student loans for so when he was in prison he still pay him and one one of these student loans then and then he's a lot of different crazy stories and and my daughter bought them. I don't want to interfere in their marriage. >> I fig let them you know work it out but I thought my daughter was smarter than that than to say enough is enough and that's but she didn't. No matter what he did to her, she she covered for him. And she would never tell me the truth about what really was going on. >> But she you you were aware that she had him leave the house in October, correct? >> Oh, yeah. She told me she's he's gone for 3 weeks. I I haven't picked the phone up. I I don't know if I could believe her or not. >> Okay. >> I mean, I I I were you under the impression at any point that she was going to take him back into the house? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely Yes. I thought she'd give in cuz he was she told me he was crying to the police. I got no place to go. This and that. I'm homeless. I got no money. I got this. >> So, you thought >> So, I figured she would weaken and let him in. >> Do you think that happened? >> But, but I know she was persecuting him. >> I mean, she was really giving it to him big time. I can't believe you did this to me about the back and forth and this and that. You know, I can't believe it. And stop. He's he's going to explode. You can only push somebody so far. Please listen to me. >> She goes, "No, he'll never hurt me." >> Okay. Do you think so? Then you do think that she she at some point told him to come back into the house. >> Either he forced his way back in the house, you know, she says, "Let me just say one word for you." And he pushed the door in because I know he grabbed the keys. I heard he Eevee, my neighbor, says she seen she seen him grab her keys cuz she had taken the mailbox key away from him. >> Okay. >> She had taken the house key away from him. >> Okay. Right. >> Was that in October? >> Maybe October. Maybe maybe a little before that. I I don't know exactly, but he had to wait that she got home before he she let him in the house. When when they were still living together >> when they were separated, you mean? >> No. No. Before they got separated. >> Okay. >> When he when he had a job and went to work. >> Oh, he wasn't house until she got home. >> Okay. >> But then in October, it was my understanding that she told him to leave the house. >> Yes. >> And I'm saying >> he threw him out. She called the cops on you and just that. And then from, you know, the end of October to now, do you think she took him back in is what I'm asking. >> I don't know. Willingly or he forced his way in. >> Okay. >> That I don't know. But something happened in between Wednesday night and Thursday morning. Either he beat her up, put put her in a car early in the morning and took her someplace, did dump or something. That that's that's my gut feeling, honestly. As the investigation continued, a large amount of evidence began to build against Joseph. In the days that followed, CSI teams carried out up to three separate walkthroughs of the home. But because the kitchen floor had been thoroughly cleaned and bleached, they didn't find any immediate physical evidence or signs of blood during those early searches. On December 11th, while detectives were searching the house, Joseph made a slip up. He said, "You're not going to find her in a field or the Everglades. Check my phone. I was never there." This statement ultimately flagged him as the prime suspect. Detectives also reviewed a neighbor's security footage which showed Joseph moving a trash bin. This would later become an important lead in understanding what could have happened to Janine. Eventually, with the evidence piling up, Joseph was brought back into the interrogation room on December 17th. This time he voluntarily agreed to take a polygraph test. >> Well, have you have you ever done this before? Have you ever taken a polygraph? >> I have. >> Okay. What was that for? >> Upon release of when I got released. Okay. Just >> as part of the offender testing. >> Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. How many times did you do it? >> Once. >> Just once. Okay. >> All right. Listen, with this I I don't know. It's probably been a little while if you said you've been you've been out for a little bit. Um, if you're nervous, I understand. If you're anxious, I understand. Perfectly freaking normal. Okay. Um, if you weren't, I'd be like really concerned. I'd be like, "Why is this guy not nervous at all?" But we're nervous. When we take tests, we're nervous. I'm nervous when I take tests. I'm nervous when, you know, when I uh when I sat for the exams for this perfectly normal as we get through this and as we move on in the process, you'll get less and less nervous as we go. So, I guess my question because I I didn't really get a chance to sit down with Mike for too long. I mean, he grabbed me a couple hours ago and said, "Hey, this was was this a possibility for me to stay tonight?" And I, you know, called home and told my wife that that nice dinner she was cooking for me is uh is right out. Yeah. Listen. I said, "Just", she goes, "Again?" I go, "Yes, again." You know, what do you want me to tell you? >> This is this is this is work. This is the job. And you don't want to open the refrigerator door and see your reflection in the in the fridge, right? You want to be able to put food in there. I got to stay. All right. So, what we're going to do today is we're going to get through this. We're going to talk about why you're here. All right. We're going to talk about every piece of that chair right there, everything that's on there. So, there's there's nothing you you look at and go, "What is this?" I'm going to make sure you're comfortable with all of it. We're going to go through what we call an acquaintance test. And that test is just designed to ensure that one, this is all working properly because it's the instruments got to be working properly. And two, to make sure that your your body's capable of uh of understanding what a lie looks like. And that's what that's what this is designed for. And we're going to do in different phases. All right. We'll get through it as quick as we possibly can. However, I will let you know that we you know, you know, there's going to be a period of time where you're going to have to sit in that chair pretty still for a little bit. Before we do that, I'll let you go to the restroom or grab a sig or or do what you need to do so that Listen, I know what your concerns are, man. I know what your concerns are so that we make sure that you're okay to sit there for the for the time period that we need to sit there for. Okay? I'm not looking to uh to make you uncomfortable in any way. I want you to be as comfortable as possible because that's uh that's what's beneficial to this. Real quick, let me make sure I got a few things here. You said I know you haven't been sleeping. How much sleep did you get last night? [clears throat] I uh last night I went to bed early, but I was up and down four or five times. So maybe I got four hours of sleep last night >> in total. But in bed you laid there for what? Probably double that. >> Oh, at least. >> Okay. >> All right. Tuesday the 27th. >> Tuesday the 27th. >> Tuesday the 20th. What was going on that day? >> I was homeless on that day. [clears throat] >> That's why you asked how far you want me to go back. >> Yeah. No, let's let's start there. Well, I would have to start a week prior. >> All right. Start a week prior. >> All right. The day before Thanksgiving. >> Okay. >> Which would be the Wednesday 21st, >> right? The day before Thanksgiving, >> I had >> Yeah. So, I was taken to at the time that I [clears throat] Okay. And I were not living together. She had basically thrown me out. >> Okay. >> Okay. This is all a financial thing. I wasn't bringing home money and long story short, you put Jerry in your life, money vanishes. Okay. So, they know about all this already. So, I was, you know, anyway. Okay. So, I I OD on ended up at Holy Cross Hospital, uh, where they revived me. They basically said that I was dead. Uh, they g me what the Narcam or whatever it is. All right. So when I came to I was at the hospital, uh somebody I think her name was Sarah, she came to talk to me about uh getting me some help. All right. When we left Holy Cross, she took me to Henderson Behavioral Health. You familiar with Henderson? >> Okay. Yep. For sure. So I stayed at Henderson overnight. Upon release from Henderson, I went to a place called Care Resources. Are you familiar with care resources? >> Okay. Uh >> basically it's any kind of assistance, medical assistance, mental health, uh housing, that type of stuff for people who are down and out. Let's, you know, put it. All right. >> So anyway, I had resources helping me, Henderson helping me. They sent me to the task force. You familiar with task force? I >> go ahead. Yep. >> Taspus put me in a place in Pmpo. When I got there, they would not accept [clears throat] me because of Okay. So, I left there. I went back over to care resources. They put me at the rest bit. You familiar with the rest bit? >> No. I'm trying to remember the address, but it's also in Pompo, but it's a three-day basically uh a detox type place where, you know, you you sit there and you're away from any drugs. Uh >> okay. >> Place was horrible. It was miserable. It was disgusting. >> Uh I stayed there three days. Okay. I got out on Monday. >> All right. Here's what's going to happen. And the first thing we're going to do is we're going to do what we call an acquaintance exam. Okay, it's real simple. Here it is. All right, this is the test the machine. I think I was telling you about this. It's a real simple test. All right, you're an educated guy, Joe. You got a bachelor's degree. That's a marker. One, two, blank, four, five. What number is missing? Tell me what it is, man. Hurry. >> Write it down real simple. And go ahead and uh circle that number for me. Awesome. Now, here's the way this acquaintance test works. Okay, we're going to sit down in the chair at some point here in the next few minutes and I'm going to hook all this stuff up to you and I'm going to I'm going to ask you regarding the number that you wrote, did you write the number one? And you're going to say >> no. >> Regarding the number Did you write the number two? >> No. >> Did you write the number three? >> Yes. >> Okay. Here's what we're going to do differently. You're going to say no. >> Okay. >> All right. Here's what this is going to do. I got to test the machine. You're going to say no to number three. You're going to say no to number four. You're going to say no to number five. Saying no to number three, it's going to your body knows you're lying. It's going to allow me to determine that your body knows the difference between the truth and a lie. It's going to allow me to make sure that my instruments working properly. Fair enough. Okay. What I'm going to do is you're going to sit down in the chair. There's some things hanging on there. There's two what we call tubes. You can sit down. You don't have to turn around. Two tubes hanging on the back of the chair. One's going to go around your chest. One's going to go around your belly. Okay? Those are going to monitor breathing. put the blood pressure cuff on you. It's not like the blood pressure cuff at the doctor where they pump it up and they let it out. This one we're going to pump up and leave pumped up during the duration of the test. That way I can monitor your heart rate. Those little things hanging on the wall behind you or sensors that go on your fingers. Those what they do is they check your sweat glands. Okay. Um really important that you sit still. Okay. I'm not saying you got to rock up, but but sit sit perfectly still. If you move around, you're sitting on a seat sensor pad. That seat sensor pad's going to make, you know, show me that you're moving around. It's going to affect how we're doing this. Like I said, I want to get you through this as quickly as possible. The more movement you have, the longer this is going to take. So, you're going to have to sit really still. Hands on the chair, hands on the pads, feet flat on the floor. We'll get through it as quick as we can. All right. Before we do that though, I want to go over all the questions with you. Okay? We're going to make them together because like I said, I am not going to ask you a question that we don't talk about ahead of time. >> Okay. >> All right. So, let's go ahead and go through the questions real quick. I'm going to play with them as we go. So, it's just me typing away here. >> All right. And there's going to be a couple different types of questions. Some of them seem pretty stupid and I apologize, but that's just the way this works. I'd explain it all to you, but if you have to go through the course for three months with me and I've already done it once, I don't need to do it again. All right. Okay. So, we're here talking about Okay. Um, one of the qu question did you? >> No. >> Okay. Did you hurt on or after Tuesday, November 27th, 2018? >> No. >> Okay. Did you call's disappearance? >> No. >> Real simple. So far, prior to 2018, have you ever heard in any way? >> Excuse me. What was it? >> Prior to 2018, have you ever in any way? >> Well, the answer is going to be yes. >> Okay. Because you told me earlier when I asked you, you know, No, I never hurt her physically. >> Okay. So, have you ever So, prior to 2018, have you ever physically? >> No. >> Okay. So, when I talk about hurt, I mean physically. Okay. So, the question prior to 2018, have you ever any way? That's what we're talking about. No. >> The answer is no. Okay. >> Um, prior to two 2018, have you ever wished anyone dead? That would be foolish because somebody who wishes somebody dead is probably somebody who at some point in time is going to whack somebody. All right. Prior to 2018, are you lying about how trustworthy you are? >> No. >> Okay. Or is this the month of December? >> Yes. >> Yeah, it is. Uh, are you going to answer each question truthfully? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh, are you completely convinced that I will not ask you a question on this test that we have not reviewed? Am I completely >> Are you completely convinced that I will not ask you a question on this test that has not been reviewed? >> Yes. >> Okay. Is there something else you afraid I will ask you a question about even though I told you I would not? >> No. >> There you go. That's it. Think we can do it? >> All right. So, here's what we're going to do. We're going to do it three separate times. I'm going to give you a break between each time. Before we get to those questions though, we're going to do this. Did you write the number three? >> Yeah. No, I did not. >> Oh, see good. No, don't say yes. side, then we have to start it again. All right, so here's what we're going to do. If you got nothing on you, I think everything you've put out there already, go ahead and have a seat. Let's get started. >> Joseph went through the polygraph test with detectives, and just as everybody had expected, he failed it. By then, it was becoming clear to investigators that Joseph was likely responsible for Janine's disappearance. The only thing left was figuring out exactly how it happened. >> My list. Well, that's illustrated. >> Yeah. >> All right. All right. So, here's the deal. >> All right. I walked in and I took a look at the machine. Okay. >> My glasses. >> Oh, >> all right. We'll get those. We'll get those. >> All right. They're sitting on the other side of the monitor. I didn't see them. >> All right. So, here's the deal, Joe. I'm not going to be here on the bush with you. >> Mhm. >> Um, you and I both know the results of the polygraph weren't good. >> No, I don't know that. >> Okay. They weren't good. >> Okay. What do you mean they weren't good? >> Okay. So, you didn't pass the pod, but let's But that's >> We're going to talk about why. >> Okay. >> Okay. We're going to talk about why. See, you got to understand a few things. All right. >> You've been around a block a time or six, right? >> So am I. All right. So here here's kind of the way things work with regards to this job. >> All right. >> We do investigations. That's what we're do. Well, you know, we're all detectives. We do investigations. You probably have a pretty good idea how investigations go. >> All right. I'm going to I'm going to kind of fill you in. Okay. >> There's a lot of things that are done during investigation. All right. We talk to people. We review video cameras. We um put out tip lines. >> We do forensics. We take pictures. >> You know, we run the gamut. You've seen some of it. You were there for some of it. >> You know, we're familiar with canvas to neighborhood. Talk to neighbors. >> You know, everybody's got video cameras nowadays. In fact, some cameras, they're so cool, Joe, you don't even see them. >> They have lenses like the size of pen tips. I mean, you can put them anywhere. And people have them all over the place. >> So, and we do investigations. Investigations as a whole are really, really good. I'll tell you why. Because an investigation tells you who, what, when, where, and how. >> You would agree with that, >> I guess. >> Facts are facts, right? What does an investigation not tell you? >> Well, what did I what did I leave out there? >> Why? >> Why? Right? Because why things happen most of the time does not come out at that point, >> right? Why people make mistakes in this world happens for a lot of different reasons, right? Sometimes they're financial pressure. Sometimes it has to do with peer pressure. Sometimes it has to do with making an impulse decision. Sometimes it has to do with thinking you're doing the right thing when it turns out you're not doing the right thing. >> See, it's really important that you know you understand certain things. >> And listen, we I I haven't got I've gotten to know you a little bit. I mean, we had dinner [laughter] we broke bread together. You >> know how many people I have dinner with, Joe? >> I have no idea. >> Not many. You want to know why? >> Why? Because I traditionally don't go to dinner with people. I know. But you and I went to dinner tonight. We broke bread. That creates a special bond that you and I will always have because we shared a table. It's like the last supper. You know, there's a bond there, right? So, you know, and I've gotten to know you a little bit. >> You don't seem like a bad guy. >> I'll tell you what I've learned about you. >> I've learned based on our discussions regarding strip clubs, >> regarding how we live our lives on a day-to-day basis that you and I fundamentally have a different approach to things. I see a strip club is a fuckic time in my face. Dollars being thrown everywhere. Can't beat it, man. I'm I'm >> But you said something interesting to me. You said I can't go there because of my past and the that's put me in and no I forget I forget how you put the term, but it was something like no uh unknown is going [clears throat] to get me in trouble again cuz >> Oh, what do I say? No strange >> no strange going to get me in trouble again. Right? So you and I fundamentally live different lives. So when we approach a situation i.e. you know we'll just call it situation A. >> You and I just look at it totally different. >> That's our past experiences right our experiences are what mold us. So where I would take a situation where let's say if I came home and I found my wife in trouble >> passed out unconscious god forbid dead. The way I handle that situation and the way you would handle that situation are two totally different situations. I look at it as holy this is a this is a major problem and I got to get everybody's help and blah blah blah. >> I bet you look at that situation differently. >> No, >> obviously I'm going to get her help if something >> all right. You know, but bear with me here. You got to admit that your past, your past, right, wrong or indifferent, >> would you know, you believe would reflect on you when the time if if if and when that happened that the people who came in would judge you based on your past. >> Oh, yeah. >> As to why she's laying on the ground, the way she is. >> So, in those times that changes the way you make a judgment, right? >> Wow. >> Your past your your past changes your past affects your past affects the way you make decisions nowadays, right? I would think for the better. >> You would you would hope so, right? >> For the better. >> Yeah. Because we don't learn. We don't We learn from the mistakes we made, >> right? Whether mistakes were made or not. >> My problem is this, Joe. >> The the poly is not best. >> Okay. And and I've gotten to know you a little bit and I don't think you've done anything that you know that we can't fix. >> There's nothing. >> Here's the problem. >> Well, here's the problem. >> That's not the way we see it right now. No, that's not that's that's the where the why comes in. >> Okay. >> All right. That's where the why comes in. >> All right. I have medical problems. >> All right. When we look at things the way they're going right now, everything tells us that we have a problem. Okay. That maybe she's not missing that maybe that maybe you know where she's at. >> I have no idea. And I did not. >> The way things are going for you, it's not looking the way you want it to look. And we can fix that. Because you haven't been honest with us. >> You haven't. And the polygraph shows it. >> Well, what what exactly did the polygraph >> You failed. >> I failed on what questions? >> You failed on the relevant questions, >> which were >> Did you hurt? Did you? >> No. >> Did you cause her disappearance? >> No. >> Those are the questions. You failed on those. There's no question about it. There's a fact. See, this go back to the investigation. We go back to the facts, right? The facts are you failed on those questions. Okay. Now, that's a fact you have to get past. See, I think you failed on the questions because, you know, puts you in a tough spot. She puts you in a situation, she puts you in a situation that you felt like you had one of two options and option one wasn't great and option two wasn't great. You get up the next morning. I know she's not there at this point. [clears throat] >> All right. I know you know what you're telling me when you get up Thursday morning that you get ready for work and cheese. We know that's not true. >> Of course, it's true. Not true. Joe, >> wait. Then where is she? >> Well, that's what we need you to tell us. >> I have no idea. >> No, you do. >> I don't. >> Hang on. You do. We can argue the point all day long. But when you look at something, >> I look at an apple. I don't know what's an apple. You tell me it's a show. I know that's not the case. >> So, I don't think you heard her. >> I think she hurt herself. She had a medical problem. >> But it looks bad on you and I think you know that. So, that's >> I knew this looked bad on me from the beginning. But that's that's why I need to fix it. But there's no thing for me to fix because I didn't do anything. This might be >> Josh. I >> Joe, you're you're not a bad guy. You're a good guy. I get it. And I don't think you made the the best decision here, but I don't think it was malicious. >> Gosh, I didn't do anything with her. >> Joe, that's not the way this is going to play out because we both you and I both know that that's not the case. >> Uh I know it's the case now. You don't >> Hang on. Joe, listen. Joe, slow down for a second. Well, you're all here. >> And let's back up. >> Okay. >> We're going to have some tough decisions to make. >> All right. And they're going to be based on facts. What we need to do with those facts is we need to put them in in a different >> Mhm. >> All right. That's where you're going to That's where you're going to All right. What happened at the house when you first got there on Saturday on on Wednesday the 28th? What happened when you pulled up at 809? She didn't respond to the night before. >> No. >> Okay. So, what'd she say to you when you got to the door? >> I told you we talked. I told her what I went through. She felt terrible. She said, "I want you to come home." >> Okay. Where'd you guys talk at? >> Right outside. >> On the patio. >> Did you ever go on the house? >> At some point, we went in. >> Okay. How long did you stand on the patio? >> I don't remember. I I don't know. >> I don't know. I really don't I don't know. Could have been 10 minutes, 20 minutes. I don't know. Okay. >> So, what happens when you go in the house? We talked. We didn't mean what happens in the house. She was fine and she stayed fine. Sure. You're looking at me like >> I'm looking at you like you're crazy. >> Like but Well, see that's the problem is I have the facts on my side. You don't >> Well, listen. >> And I'm not going to sit here and feed it to you. >> I'm not going to feed you the facts. I mean, I've already fed you enough. Uh >> I don't know where you're getting it from. So there's no reason to fail the poly here. It's bothering you bad. See, that's that's what I've heard about. >> Here's the problem. Here's here's the problem. Here's what I've heard about you. Okay. >> All right. I have heard from a few different people cuz I did a little talking when I got over there >> that you're actually a pretty sensitive guy. >> I'm a very sensitive guy >> and that you have a deep care for people. >> I do. >> Comes from her parents >> and from your own. >> Mhm. So when it comes down to this, this is somewhat I would say normal people this would be somewhat out of character, but you've been through something that most of us haven't been through to 12 years >> or 11 years. And you've said that's how you know that affects your decision-m and I and I understand. I understand because >> I well I can't imagine going through that time and that not affecting anybody's decision. I'm a fairly smart guy. I can put two of you together even though I haven't been. >> Fall asleep on me, Joe. >> I'm just listening. I'm very tired. >> Yeah, I bet. It's probably been a long couple weeks bothering the hell out of you for a couple weeks. >> Well, of course, my wife is missing. >> We Let's Let's just step back up. She's probably not missing at this point, Joe. You know where she's at. >> I have no idea where she is. She better not be. >> All right. We just want to get her back. Yeah. >> I want to get her back. >> But that's on you. It's not on me because I don't know where she is. >> Yeah, you do. >> No, I don't. >> I don't. >> The facts show the facts show that you do. >> Joe, we consider talking about this all night long, but essentially we're going to get to the same conclusion and you're going to get there, too. The question is whether or not we're going to believe the story. >> There's no story for me to tell. >> There's absolutely a story for me to tell. There's no story. >> The detective used everything he had to get Joseph to admit what happened, but he kept holding his ground. He knew how to cover his tracks and avoid giving them what they needed. You would think he had learned something from what happened with his ex-wife, but in his version of events, she was the one at fault. >> You know, >> you're calling me a liar. >> Oh, yeah. You're definitely lying. >> No, I'm not. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's no question about Listen, I'm past that bridge with you. >> Okay. >> I'm past that bridge. >> You're definitely lying. >> I'm not lying. >> It's It's a question of why. >> I'm not lying. >> Tell me what happened. Tell me what happened with your ex-wife. >> Oh, with my ex-wife. >> Yeah. Tell me what happened. They look it's it's a published story. There's no >> What do you want to know? >> Tell me what happened. >> Why? >> Cuz I want to know. >> Why? >> I'm just curious. >> Cuz I want to know the why. >> The why? >> Yeah. >> I want to know the why. I read the facts. I want to know the why. >> Okay. The why. Since this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, I'll tell you the story. We were separated. Actually, we weren't separated yet. I came home Valentine's Day 1997. She and I and two other couples went out. We had her mother's minivan. I drove. I was supposed to pick her father up from work the next day. Okay. So, instead of after I dropped everybody off at the end of the night, I told my wife that I was going to go to the casino. Do you want to go? She said, "No, I don't really feel like going." And knowing full well I wasn't going to the casino. I went out and got high. I smoke. Anyway, >> okay. >> I never made it to pick up her father. So, that caused a big old blow up with everybody. >> Okay. >> So, that was on Valentine's Day. Two weeks later, I come home from work, which was my ex-wife and my kids were gone. They vanished, disappeared. Everybody's telling me that she met some guy. She moved to California. She ran off. She didn't, you know. I didn't believe any of it. Anyway, I'm going crazy trying to find her. One thing leads to another. I finally find where she is. For two and a half months, she's been at my mother's house with my kids at my mother's house. >> Mhm. >> Anyway, during this time, I'm on probation and my mother came up with a plan for me to come out to Illinois. They were going to give My mother was going to give us one of the houses, get me out of Albuquerque. My kids and I were all going to live in uh the house. They went and got me a plane ticket for June 3rd of 97 to go out there. In order for me to get a travel permit, they had to talk to my probation officer and the judge that I was on probation for. Okay. They spoke to both. I got two travel permits. On June 2nd, says, "Don't get on a plane tomorrow. Don't get on a plane. Why not? I'm coming home." All right. On the 4th, I pick her up at the bus station with the kids. take it to her mother's house. All right. So, now she's home. I'm living in my place. She's at her mother's. We're trying to build our life back together, you know, slowly but surely. On July 6th, 1997, she was supposed to come over actually out, I don't know, 10:30, 11:00 in the morning. She's crying. I'm like, "What's the matter?" She's like, "I need clothes. I got to find a job." I said, "Well, I'll tell you what. Bring your kids. I'll take you guys shopping. We'll go see a movie. We'll go have a good time. We'll go do lunch. Whatever." So, she's like, "All right." Uh, she was supposed to show up at 2:30, didn't get there till about 4:30. When she showed up, she was by herself. She didn't have any kids with her. She was at the gas station. She dropped a propane tank on her toe. Anyway, long story short, she and I were together. We were alone. Started fooling around. Tell her, "Come on, let's go outside, smoke a cigarette. Go outside. Come back in, smoke another cigarette, you know." And I'm taking this slow because I don't want to push, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to get my family back here. Anyway, after like the third cigarette, we ended up in a bedroom and we end up having and I kept asking her, "Are you sure you're okay with this? Are you, you know, I didn't want to push, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, cuz I'm trying to get my family back together." She like, "No, no, it's good. I want you." Anyway, not 30 seconds after we ended up having says to me, "Paul, let's go shopping." And I overreacted. >> What'd you do? Well, I was like, "What? Let's go shop. What do you think? I'm going to be a cash machine for you. I mean, you know, you're just gonna when you want something, you know, like I said, she's like, well, no, I'm out of here." You ain't going nowhere. So, I stopped her from leaving. I mean, I grabbed her. I threw her on the ground. I dreaded her with a baseball bat. I mean, you know, I did what I did, but I never I never tried to kill her, but that's what I was convicted of. >> They convicted you of what? criminal penetration, attempted first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and false imprisonment. >> Okay. So, the attempted murder was from the bat. >> No attempted murder. >> Well, they said that I tried to choke her, but >> with what? >> Uh, a drawstring from a pair of sweats, which I did not. I mean, I grabbed her by her on the ground, but I never tried to kill her. >> Were you wearing a pair of sweats? >> Yeah. >> Did you have a pair of sweats and missing a drawstring after that? >> No. Okay. So, you went to trial? >> Yeah. Well, I had a public pretender and uh you know, it I never even got a chance to testify. There was nobody to testify on the I mean, >> injuries, >> a minimally displaced fracture of the fifth metatarsal on her left foot, which turned out to be a fracture of the pinky toe. We had the medical report, yet she sat there and told the jury that I hit her with a baseball bat and shattered her foot in five places, which was >> Okay. But you had the bat. >> I threatened with the bat. I never said I didn't. >> Did you hit her with the bat? >> No. >> Okay. But that's what the jury believed. Okay. Go. >> They only hurt her side. You only hurt the one side. >> All right. So, we got the bat involved. >> Mhm. >> Where's the drawstring come in? That's You know, people up. I get it. But that's kind of weird to just make up though. >> Where the drawstring? They said drawstring. They brought a shoelace in. So, I Anyway, the point is I did not try and kill her and I did not. Now, was I that hit or did I Yeah, I did. I never denied that. But like I said, I had a public pretender who told me all sort like the the medical stuff will come out when the doctor testifies. There was no doctor that testified. So, the jury never got to hear the real injuries. You know what I'm saying? Like that. It was it was ridiculous. So, anyway, it is what it is. Now, uh you had told me earlier when we were talking in the polyraph thing that you had, um uh in previous incidents, >> previous in prior to this year, did you ever um did you ever >> No. >> Okay. >> Not physically. >> Not physically. >> Right. >> All right. Yeah. We were out at um at the house. more out the house sometime in like beginning of November, right? >> She uh have some medical issue going on. >> I don't know. >> Confusion on the head. Maybe >> that wasn't because of me. >> Well, what happened there? >> Ask Phoebe. She >> I'm asking you. I don't know what the [ __ ] What happened? >> I wasn't there. She got drunk. She fell down and cracked her head open in the front of the house. >> Is that the story she told the police? >> I have no idea what she told the police. >> Were you home? >> No. >> You weren't home when the cops got there? No. >> Okay. >> Not bad. >> All right. So, it would be surprising to you that she told she told us that you did that. >> Oh, no. That's absolutely ridiculous. And that is 100% total it up. >> Made it up. She fell. You could go ask Eveie Gonzalez, Eevee Guzman, whatever. She was there when it happened. I believe Eevee was there when the cops came. >> I take pictures of >> Of who? I wasn't there. I don't know. The cops ever call you? >> No. >> Nobody ever called you? >> Not on that. I was Now you said physically hurt. You emotionally hurt? >> Well, [sighs and gasps] unfortunately because of my behavior. Yeah. I mean, she's, you know, accused me of emotionally draining her and, you know, >> now she threw you out because of the the drugs. Mhm. >> How long you had a drug for? >> How long? What? >> How long have you had a drug problem? How long you been doing? >> Well, if you asked her, she'd tell you my whole life. But, uh, listen, I' I've had issues with drugs since I'm teenager. So, >> going on a long time. >> Yeah. >> Think drugs negatively affect your behavior? >> Always. >> Blackout? >> No. >> Never black out? No. >> How does it affect your behavior? >> Well, you do things. >> Tell me Joe. Tell me Joe. Tell me Joe not on drug, you know, not high. And tell me Joe high. What do I got? >> Joe high. Joe not high. >> Yeah. >> Tell me Joe not high. >> Joe not high. I I mean I'm still the same person, but when you're doing drugs, you you know, you spend your money on drugs. You forget about responsibility. >> Yeah. But your behavior is probably different when you're high when you're not. I know. Uh, why are we talking about that? Is it really relevant to any of this? >> I don't know what's relevant at this point. >> Well, obviously you don't believe a word I'm saying. >> Well, no. I think you've made plenty of factual statements here. True statements. I just think you made >> No, I didn't. And >> and those those are tough to believe. Well, >> so I'm trying to get to know you here. >> Whatever that polygraph was saying. All right. I disagree with you. Now, I know I don't have a leg to stand on for disagreeing with. >> No, probably not. >> Okay. But for whatever reason, then it's saying that I was untruthful. Was it was I truthful on everything else? >> Uh you were the point of the polygraph is to determine your truthfulness based on the the situation that we're talking about. >> Okay. But >> um >> you asked seven, eight, nine questions there. >> I asked nine questions. >> Okay. And the ones that really matter are the ones that you were truthful. >> But what do the other questions show? >> Which which other questions are you talking about? Is the month is this the month of December? Yeah. You didn't show you don't show a reaction there. It's true. >> Okay. What about the other questions? >> It doesn't work that way. Those other questions are aren't meaningful in this situation. What's meaningful is what's what's meaningful is what's happened. >> There were how many questions asked? There were three questions specifically asked. >> Now, you're saying that I was lying on all three of those questions? >> Yeah, you failed you failed the test. You failed you failed the test. There's no question about it. You can't you can't argue it. It's it's it's scientifically based. >> You failed the test. >> Okay. >> All right. Now, I knew you were going to fail a test before you walked in the door. >> How was that? >> Cuz you told me you were going to fail it with the way you presented certain things to me. All right. Here's the deal. I don't understand that one. >> You failed the test. >> Okay. >> You fail. You fail. >> People don't fail polygraphs when they don't do something. Now, you're hiding something. Now, the question is what you're hiding. >> I'm not hiding anything, >> Joe. I'm not saying you strangled. >> I didn't. >> Not saying you did. >> What I'm saying is is that you probably made a bad decision with what happened afterwards because you were probably a little high now. >> No, >> Joe. Things have been rough. Things have been rough. You've told me yourself things have been rough, >> right? living in your car. Living in your car based on some mistakes you made, right? >> Mhm. >> Anyway, I mean, we all make mistakes, but that's that's kind of that's kind of uh it's kind of harsh, right? >> Sure. >> How is it living in your car? >> Sucks. >> Yeah. It's terrible. >> But you're living in your car because of your mistakes. >> I Yeah. >> Right. >> But we all make We all make them. We all make mistakes. Everybody make mistakes. And we've talked about why certain people make certain mistakes. You know, it doesn't just happen on one level. You don't get thrown out of your house for one mistake. You get thrown out of your house for accumulation of things. >> Okay? None of us are perfect. You said earlier, I talking to you, but I said, "What?" I said, "Oh, trustworthy scale. What are you Paul?" 1 to 10. You said, "A 10." I said, "Oh, the foot of the cross." Nobody's there, bro. Nobody's there, Joe. I'm not there. You're not there. Nobody's there. You know who falls on the 10 on the trustworthy scale? Newborn baby day one because they haven't done anything yet. But after that, nobody's a 10, man. We all up. So when I'm sitting out there when you were smoking a sick and we were talking, I ain't you plenty of times. I'm sure you lots of time. But that's also why, you know, makes me good at what I do today. Well, >> Joe, I we all we all >> we all there's no question about how there's no question about it. >> But what we got to do is we got to make amends for those mistakes and we got to be men about. >> We got to be what? >> We got to be a man. >> I am a man. >> You stand up, you fess up when you mess up, right? >> And if I had something to fess up to, I would. >> That's what we do. >> And if I had something to fess up to, I would. >> You got some things to fess up to. And that's fine. We'll get there. Okay. But let's go back for a second, though. Tuesday night, you start uh you said you started sending her text messages. >> I >> She's not responding. Why? >> Why is she not responding? >> You have to ask her that. >> Why? Obviously, I can't do that now, can I? >> Well, I can't answer for somebody else's behavior. >> Pretty. You know, it's kind of strange, though. Don't you think that she didn't respond to any of your texts that night? Do I think it's strange? >> Yeah, a little off. >> Not necessarily. >> No, >> not with her. No. >> She'd go days without responding to you. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yet you still show up the next morning. How do you know she's going to be there? >> Well, I took a chance. >> What do you mean? How do I know she was? >> How did you know she was going to be there? You said she's always up at the gym at that point. >> Yeah, I tried. I even sent her a text. What time you leaving? >> But she didn't respond. No, she didn't respond that long. >> What are you finding at the house? >> Yeah. >> You upset she's not responding to you? >> No. >> No. You're okay with it? Cuz I know if I send my wife a text and she doesn't respond, once is fine, twice is fine. But now I'm starting to get a little after time number three. No, >> I don't. >> Not at all. >> Don't have a temper. I got a temper. >> I don't got a temper in the last situation. You grabbed the base. >> Well, I understand that. I learned my lessons. >> Yeah. Well, you know, we're all kind of creatures of habit, though. No, >> no, that's not true. >> No, you don't think that, you know, personality is kind of ingrained in us or >> people change. >> Yeah. Tough though. >> What's that? >> Tough. >> People learn. >> People learn. Change. People accept. >> You get better. You manage it. >> But what's what's what's the saying? Le can't. That's >> right. We can we can try and change. There's a there's a certain acceptance that that comes with and when you accept reality and you know you have no control over it, you don't let it bother you. >> The detective asked all the right questions, but then for the first time, Joseph asked something the detective didn't have an answer for. >> Josh, it's it's it's quite apparent you you you you're wanting me to say something that I can't say. I didn't mean to do anything. I just want the truth. >> I'm telling you the truth. >> I just want the truth. >> Well, >> whatever the truth is, >> I'm telling you the truth. >> We We all know we're in a situation here that it seems really, really out there. A woman who's so stable. I mean, she's stable. I mean, when I say stable, you said it yourself. Less than 1% in the last few years and she missed the gym. Stable. >> That doesn't just stop. >> I never said it did. >> You know, it just stopped. She hasn't been in the gym in three weeks. >> Mhm. since November 29th, 28th, right? 10 minutes. Don't think she was there that day. She went there the 27th she was there. That's a Tuesday. >> She's not there the Wednesday. >> She doesn't go. >> She doesn't go. All the people who said that she was there the day before, nope. She said she'd be back tomorrow. She's normally back. >> She's like clockwork. She's not there. >> She doesn't show up at the show. >> That's supposed to be an hour after you're at the house. It's an hour. All right. So, put yourself in my spot now. What's it look like? >> Looks like something happened at the house. That's where we're at. Something happened at the house Wednesday morning when you got there. Day nine. >> Nothing happened at the house. >> Something obviously happened because not only did she not go to the gym, but she missed her doctor's appointments. She hasn't called her her her mother or father. She hasn't spoken to her friend. You haven't talked to her. Start looking at this with Let's start looking at this, you know, realistically here. >> 8:00 8:00 Wednesday morning, >> her world [clears throat] stop her Her world stops. Wednesday morning, her world stops. World stops. Right then and there at that moment in time at 8:00 a.m. the world stops. Everything that she's done up to that point, >> everything that she does on a regular basis stops. >> You can't be this. You can't be this naive to not to understand that we know she didn't leave the house. >> That she does not leave the house after 8:00 on the Wednesday morning. She doesn't. We know. That's Well, see, again, we're back to the million dollar question, Joe. We're back to the million dollar question. >> She didn't leave the house. >> Oh, not on her own. She didn't walk out. She didn't walk out, Joe. >> I didn't take her. >> Okay. Well, she went somewhere and you're the last person there. >> Everything stops when you leave. Everything stops, >> Joe. That's not true, >> Joe. Everything stops. No, it is true. It's factual. We've proven that beyond a reasonable doubt. >> You've proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> Forget reasonable doubt. Reasonable that we're we're beyond that. We're into like what we call proof evidence here. >> We have proof. It is absolutely sustainable proof. Proof evident that she does not leave the house after you arrive at 8:00 that morning. She doesn't leave. So, either she's hiding in the rafters in the attic or somebody removed her from the house, Joe, and no one else has been there. We know she doesn't leave the house after she returns on Tuesday night. We know that's the last time she walks in. She does not come out on her own. There's proof evident. There's no way anybody with a reason who's got a reasonable head on their shoulders is going to believe anything different. And you're not going to be able to change that. Now, here's what you can change. Here's what you can change. Cuz 12 people can look at it and go insane that killed her. But you and I both know that that's not what happened. >> You're right. >> You and I both know that her death was not your fault. Uh, I don't know that she's dead. >> She's dead. >> Well, then show me her body. >> Joe, she didn't go out. She didn't leave the house. >> Here's what I got to prove. Here's what I got to prove. I got to prove that she went in on Tuesday night, which I did. >> I have the proof that she went in the house on Tuesday night. I also have the proof that she never left. She never left the house. >> Then where is she? >> That's for you to answer, Joe. >> That's for you to answer. You do know. Look at me. Stop. You don't. You know, and that's fine. You know, Joe, Joe, you want to be that guy? You want to be that guy? >> Joseph confidently asked detectives to show him the body because he knew there was nothing to find anyway. The detectives would never be able to trace where Janine had gone. But when the pressure kept on building, he eventually broke. That night, in the interrogation room, Joseph admitted he had lied in his earlier statement. He told detectives he went to Janine's house on November 28th and went upstairs to take a shower. When he came back down, he found her lying on the kitchen floor in a pool of blood. He thought she might have had a seizure resulting in death, but he panicked and didn't call the police because of his past attempted murder charge. He believed no one would take him seriously. He then explained that he put her body into trash bags, placed those into a trash bin, and rolled it out to the curb for pickup. He said once the trash was collected, he knew the body would never be found. Surveillance footage from a neighbor later showed him taking the bin out and records confirmed it was picked up on November 28th. Police then brought in cadaavver dogs to search the regional landfill. One of the K-9 units alerted to the scent of human remains in the exact area where the November 28th trash had been dumped, but the remains were heavily burned and damaged. David, the general manager at a facility of Broward County landfill, testified on January 6th, 2019, explaining what happens to home waste once they reach the landfill. >> We met uh a couple weeks ago on uh December 18th, 2018 um regarding a homicide investigation. Do you remember that first meeting? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Uh in that meeting, you kind of took me through the process of what happens when a truck um full of garbage arrives at your facility. Yes. >> Would you just give me a cliffnotes version, a walkthrough of of how this works? >> A trash collection vehicle will run its route, then basically uh commute to this lo location. It will cross our scale way into the facility and at that point it'll be directed to our tipping floor where it'll dump the contents of its route. From there, that material is basically resides on the tipping floor for a short time until the tipping floor operator ultimately pushes it into the refuge storage pit, which is a 30,000 ton refuge uh you know 30,000 capacity uh ton pit. the the refuge will be stored there until it's basically uh fed into one of three 750 ton per day refuge fired units and um processed basically from an MSW. The heating value is extracted through combustion. The combustion products will heat you know commercial um steam boilers. The steam is used for generation of electricity. The ash produced from that combustion process is basically routed to a ash collection and and uh transfer system which has some sorting capability with ferrris metals recovery but ultimately the ash is co-mingled bottom ash and fly ash together and then delivered to the south broward monofill >> which is where we're sitting at now. Correct. >> And and that ash um is just in kind of in layman's terms is not pure ash at this point in time. There are still pieces of whatever was dumped on the tipping floor that day in that ash. >> Yep. There can be due to the combustion, due to moisture content, due to shielding effects that can take place inside the unit from you know um other materials protecting um other materials from being oxidized basically for the combustion. >> So, so basically if something's covering it up it may it may not be complet you know completely turned out. They could have um you know remains you know there could be remnants of the material that are recognizable. Yes. >> Okay. What is uh the temperature at which the the boilers burn? >> The the the we estimate that we run between 2,00 and 2500° at the combustion surface >> at the Okay. >> On December 20th, Joseph reached out again and asked to speak with detectives. After meeting at the station, he hesitated and asked for more time before fully explaining everything. That's when one of the detectives invited Joseph out to dinner. Later at the restaurant, Joseph admitted that part about disposing of the body was true, but the earlier version of finding her already dead wasn't. After he came back from showering, they got into an argument when he tried to move back in. He said Janine tried to call 911 when he refused to leave. That's when he snapped. He grabbed the phone, pushed her to the kitchen floor, and covered her mouth so she couldn't scream. Then he said he grabbed a knife from the counter and stabbed her once in the back of the head. He said it went in easily and that she died almost immediately. Panicking, Joseph immediately cleaned up the kitchen and placed the knife in the dishwasher. He then got rid of it by ditching it in a dumpster behind a restaurant. His confession was recorded in a hidden camera worn by one of the detectives. Joseph was charged with seconddegree murder, tampering with physical evidence, and giving false information to law enforcement officers. Because Janine's body was never recovered, believed to have been incinerated along with the household trash, the judge ruled ahead of trial that there was enough evidence of her death by criminal means to allow prosecutors to play Joseph's recorded confessions to the jury. The first trial, however, ended abruptly. On November 29th, 2023, Judge Culra declared a mistrial after prosecutors failed to redact a portion of the recorded interrogation in which Detective Haggard told Joseph, "Then you failed a polygraph." The jury clearly heard the line, and because polygraph results aren't admissible in Florida courts, the defense moved for a mistrial. Culra granted it, but ruled that the error wasn't intentional, which meant prosecutors could retry the case without violating Joseph's right against double jeopardy. The retrial began in early March, 2024. This time, the proceedings went smoothly. After less than an hour of deliberation, the jury found Joseph guilty of secondderee murder. On May 2nd, 2024, Joseph was sentenced to life in prison. This concludes the report from our investigation division at Twinscope Cops. All individuals involved remain presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Thank you for supporting verified and responsible case analysis. Your engagement helps us continue this work and we invite you to share your thoughts respectfully in the comments.