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good afternoon this is Daniel here with
cop watch TV I just wanted to welcome
everyone into our live show we do this
every Friday where we have a live show
where we talk about and really just
break down the most important issues in
policing so we do have a bunch of cases
to go over today so make sure that you
put in the chat if you have any thoughts
or comments or any ideas about the stuff
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one of the so one of the first things
that I want to talk about is this week
we did get the here at cop watch TV
really proud that we got an awesome
shout out from donut operator so we're
going to play a clip that but uh cop
watch TV got a shout out from donut
operator earlier this week and here it
is
um cop watch are they like First
Amendment Auditors what do they do they
just put brawl body camera footage stuff
up oh it's an actual person doing
commentary okay so they're Pro they're
like more Pro police it seems like I
haven't seen this channel yet oh he's
got a patch wall too you that guy
probably knows way more about policing
and is more articulate than I am maybe
less dick jokes than saying I just want
to thank donut operator not just for
showing our video because we really do
try to find the best and just really the
most interesting raw police body cam
footage out there but um he did talk
about us a little bit so I absolutely
want to thank donut operator for that
he's been doing this for a long time he
is kind of the goat when it comes to
talking about police issues and looking
over body cam so definitely appreciate
that that was a cool shout out that we
got recognized there
um so I just want everyone to make sure
that you definitely go ahead and follow
cop watch TV and you know just so you
know when we're going to do this not
just on these live shows but also just
the body cam footage that we put out
every single week if you want to follow
me I'm at uh police law news where I do
daily content over there all right so
let's talk about let's talk about some
of the cases from this week so the first
one that I think we do we have to talk
about first it's on everybody's mind or
anyone who really follows these police
issues it happened in Crawford Arkansas
and I think everyone knows where I'm
going with this so um it happened last
week in Crawford Arkansas a little bit
of the back story is that there's an
individual named Randall warchester he's
a 27 year old and he went into a
convenience store in Alma
Arkansas and at the convenience store he
had an issue with the clerk it was a
female Clerk and the issue that he had
with her was over some type of
transaction that they had once he was
once he was there it didn't end
peacefully so he threatened the clerk
and he told the clerk that he was going
to cut her face with a knife so he
didn't brandish a knife but there was
definitely some criminal actions there
either disorderly conduct maybe even
assault well from there he left on a
bicycle and she was able to give a
description to the police officers she
gave him to dispatch police officers
responded to the scene and he was
actually caught not that far away in an
adjacent Town once the police officers
caught up to him
and here's what we know so far once the
police officers caught up to him they
tried to place him under arrest at that
point there was a struggle it's being
reported by the sheriff of Crawford
County his name is Jimmy Damonte so he
did a couple press conferences on this
well which I'll absolutely get to but
the sheriff Jimmy Demonte in one of his
press conferences and statements he said
that as the police officers went to
arrest Randall warchester that he
struggled with police officers that he
picked up one of the officers by their
legs and he body slammed them that was
the word that the sheriff used he body
slammed one of the police officers and
then once on the ground there was a use
of force so that's what's coming from
the sheriff of Crawford County however
here's how this story really came about
so everybody knew about it there was a
witness who was you know not that far
away who recorded it on cell phone
camera and of course the cell phone
camera didn't count the initial crime
and it didn't catch the initial uh where
the individual Randall is accused of
battering the police officer but once
what the camera did show is three
different police officers so two of them
are County deputies with Crawford County
and one of them is a city police officer
with a Mulberry Police Department and it
catches them essentially really just the
best way I can describe just beating the
crap out of this guy so the officer who
was kind of by Randall's legs is using
knees and he is striking Randall in the
legs with his knees there's an officer
in the middle and all you can kind of
tell is he's kind of hovered over
Randall so it's hard to tell what he's
doing but he's like a Randall's
midsection he's pretty much kind of like
hovered over Randall and then the
officer who I think most people have the
most issue with is the officer who's by
Randall's head not only is he using his
fists and he's beating Randall's head
he's using knee strikes to the head at
one point he grabs Randall's head and
he's slamming it on the ground so it
looks terrible
um these officers were almost
immediately put on leave and the
Arkansas saw the Arkansas saw State
Police has taken the investigation
they're essentially conducting a use of
force investigation to see if the
actions used by police officers was
proper so I mean the video looks
terrible and what looks even worse and
we had this with a case a couple weeks
ago that I talked about but what's even
worse is once the police officers
realize that they're being recorded by a
civilian and a cell phone camera one of
the officers points at the woman and
yells at her that's just a bad look so a
couple I've got a lot of questions about
this obviously but one of the questions
is well was this captured on body camera
from police officers well that would be
a reasonable question to ask so the
deputies who work for Crawford County
there were two of them they do not have
body cameras now this isn't a fault of
the individual police officers this is
in in my view a failure on the on the
police department on the county on the
funding whoever is in charge of that
because those deputies were not
outfitted with body cameras so whether
the officers or the deputies do good or
bad there's no way for them to record it
so they don't have anybody camera
footage of this however the police
officer with the city of Mulberry Police
or the town of Mulberry is being
reported that he did have a body camera
and that the Arkansas State Police has
possession of that body camera so
hopefully some of the footage is
captured on there also apparently
there's a dash cam now it hasn't been
released yet whether that dash cam was
with the Mulberry Police Officer or with
the sheriff's office however the sheriff
Jimmy Damonte he did say that some of
the actions by Mr Worchester before the
use of force from police officers he
said some of that was captured on dash
cam video so hopefully some of that will
come out just so we have a complete
picture and this is where I want to talk
about this case so it looks terrible and
even the description let's take the
description from the sheriff in the
light most favorable to the police
meaning that this individual committed a
crime let's say maybe it was even a
felony as the police officers went to
place him under arrest he fought the
police officer let's even believe the
sheriff at this point that he body
slammed a pull police officer okay let's
say all of that is true there is still
it's going to be very difficult for
anyone to explain an excuse for what
happened here's why when police officers
use Force they have to have a lawful
objective so the best way that I can
describe lawful objective it's basically
are what the police officers doing legal
so here's an example of that someone
commits a crime and police officers have
probable cause and they want their goal
their lawful objective is to place the
individual in handcuffs to detain them
and arrest them for that crime so the
lawful objective would be getting
someone in handcuffs it's basically the
end goal of what are they doing now when
police officers they are able to use
reasonable Force to overcome active
resistance when you have a lawful
objective so let's break that down even
a little bit further if there's no
lawful objective then what are the
police officers doing and that's the
main question that we have to answer
here so here's what I'm saying if the
police officers if it now it any time
police officers use Force whether it's
reasonable logical lawful Justified
anytime police officers use force it
always looks bad so I'm not expecting
this and no one should expect police
officers using Force even if it's legal
and lawful to look pretty it's not it's
always going to be ugly it's going to
look terrible just telling you that
right now so but they have to have a
lawful objective so if the police
officers don't have a lawful objective
then what are they doing and here's what
I'm going to come back around to this if
there was the video depicted one or two
or all three of the police officers
grabbing the guy's hands and trying to
get his hands behind his back well that
makes it seem like okay right now in
this situation the goal of the officers
is to try to get his hands behind his
back and in a situation like this where
someone's fighting someone's already
been violent I mean that's exactly what
I would expect one officer on each arm
really trying to get the hand behind
their back now that third officer doing
distraction techniques or compliance
strikes that isn't unreasonable if it's
to a reasonable targeted area what I
mean by that is let's say someone's
resisting arrest they have their hands
underneath them and police officers just
for whatever reason can't get their
hands well it's commonly taught from
police departments and you know Police
use of force that you can use
distraction techniques you know elbows
punches for lack of a better term knee
strikes on you know maybe a torso maybe
someone's arms maybe someone's legs as
the distraction technique to essentially
distract someone from resisting arrest
by pain compliance to get them to comply
so they can be placed in handcuffs and
be taken to jail what happened here does
not seem like that's what was happening
if they were truly trying to get this
guy's hands behind his back that's what
we would have at least seen that and I
know we have limited footage but it
would have seen it would have just seen
it seemed like we would have been able
to see it at some point for sure we have
one officer just doing knee strikes and
then for sure the officer who is
slamming the guy's head on the ground
um I don't see how that that's
reasonable at all so I I do have a so
one of the attorneys for the police
officers and this is probably good
lawyering but I'm not sure how true it
is the attorneys for the officers you
know he basically asked everyone to you
know wait until everything comes out
that's always a reasonable thing so yes
before we make any final determination
before meaning before we say this person
should be charged with a crime they
should spend the rest of their life in
jail yes absolutely I think we should
wait until all the information is out
there but that doesn't mean we can't
talk about what our eyes are clearly
seeing now and we know what we just saw
with this case in Crawford Arkansas but
one of the attorneys for the officers
essentially went on the news and said
that the officers were using Force
within their training and they were
issuing compliance strikes well there
are no compliance strikes or anything
that's taught unless it's a life or
death situation and someone's trying to
grab your gun where anything goes but
police officers typically typically
cannot knee someone in the head in the
face and takes someone's head and slam
it on the ground so I'm just going to
put that out there and I have a
prediction for this case so the
prediction for this case is that these
officers are going to be fired and
they're going to be prosecuted they're
going to be charged with crimes and
they're probably also going to be
charged with civil rights violation so
if we just compare this to the George
Floyd case and when I say that I mean
that you know three officers three or
four officers were involved not only
were the police officers in the George
Floyd case you know who just happened to
be with Derek Chauvin when he killed
George Floyd officers who were only
holding on officer Lane who was just
holding George Floyd's legs but didn't
step in he's doing two and a half years
in prison uh federal prison for civil
rights violations because he didn't stop
one of the other officers so in this
case even if you say you know well you
know maybe what the officer was doing on
the end with the knee strikes the
officer was holding him in the middle
you know maybe what they were doing
wasn't Criminal it was mostly the guy by
the head well we see what happens when
officers don't stop each other that that
is going to be a violation of civil
rights and my guess is that there are
going to be state and federal charges
there's a lot of people who I've heard
say you know nothing's going to happen
to the officers did they just
investigate themselves they're not going
to find anything wrong I think that's
incorrect I think this is on video I'm
glad it's on video and my prediction is
they will be fired and they will be
charged let's see if anybody has any
comments about that uh New York Tyrant
Hunter uh just shared it on Facebook
that was crazy yeah absolutely that was
crazy and the way that anybody in New
York tire and Hunter the way that
anybody the way that anybody ever knew
about this is because someone recorded
this at um someone recorded this on a
cell phone so that's that's I I do this
every week where I talk about body
cameras about how I'm such an advocate
of body cameras it is crazy for police
officers to go out there on duty with
out body cameras the last study I saw is
that 80 percent of police officers in
the United States have body cameras I
think it's a great thing I think it
keeps good it protects police officers
who are doing their job correctly and if
you're not doing your job correctly well
it catches that too and it holds police
officers accountable but if you know
that you're on camera as a police
officer Common Sense would say you would
act and not openly commit felonies so
hopefully that's that's the case uh
let's see
uh let's see we have any comments no no
other comments about this case but
that's pretty much been in the news um
the sheriff has come out and done two
news press conferences so we will see
there so the next case that I want to
talk about it was in North Portland
Oregon so the thing about this case is
it wasn't a police officer it was a
security guard but it was an armed
security guard um so I mean just imagine
like an armed Paul Blart and what
happened with this case it happened over
a year ago it was May of 2021 but the
reason that kind of it's been in the
news now and people are discussing it
now is the body cam video just came out
so in order to set this up a little bit
so this happened in North Portland
Oregon uh the guy is a security guard so
he works for a security company and
Lowe's the big Home Improvement store
and other businesses in this business
park hired this security company I think
believe there were three security
officers to you know maintain the
security there was a customer who had
come in his name is Mr Nelson and Mr
Nelson for some he's a 49 year old man
for some reason reason we don't know
exactly what that is Lowe's gave him a
criminal trespass notice so somehow they
notified him that he's criminally
trespassed I don't want him on the
business anymore now that should raise
some red flags there aren't a whole lot
of 49 year old adult males who are just
going about their normal life going into
stores who get criminal trespasses on
them from private businesses so so I
think it says something that something
more is going on but he was giving a
criminal trespass notice that criminal
trespass notice went out to the security
officers including uh this guy his name
is Logan gimbal including Mr Logan
gimmel to be on the lookout for this
person isn't allowed at our store so you
can imagine what happens now Logan
gimbal is working security over at the
lows contracted by them through his
security company and Mr Nelson comes on
scene he comes in a truck and also he
has his wife in the passenger seat of
the car so the body camera video likely
doesn't capture everything because or or
the body camera hasn't been released the
capture I've ever thing but sure this
crazy incident that happens is
absolutely captured so essentially it
kind of starts where
um Logan gimbal the security officer
contacts Mr Nelson and he's in the car
and he starts off by saying like that
there could be more before this that we
don't know but he essentially says you
know you've been criminally trespassed I
want you to leave the property are you
refusing to leave the property stuff
like that Mr Nelson isn't saying a whole
lot or if he is it's really hard to see
what he's saying but he's sitting in the
car and he's giving Logan gimbal the
finger through the car it's actually
that part of it is a little funny he's
given him the finger the one thing you
can hear Mr Nelson say is something
effective you don't have the authority
to arrest me and yeah he's probably
right there so but here we have a
situation where you know at most it's
criminal trespassing who knows if that
Criminal Trespass noticed was actually
given from a police officer so the way
Criminal Trespass laws typically work in
most most States is you have to have a
notice that you can't come someplace
typically that has to come from law
enforcement not all the time but tip
typically that has to come from no law
enforcement and then if you go on the
property again then you could be
subjected to a citation or worst case
scenario arrest even though that is
typically doesn't happen so but we don't
know if law enforcement wasn't involved
the first time so worst case scenario
it's a misdemeanor criminal trespassing
that probably no one is going to um get
um in go to jail for maybe they will um
just so you know the Nelson family
attorney has said that acknowledge that
the criminal trespass notification was
there but also said that Mr Nelson was
actually in the process and working with
management to try to resolve that so who
knows if that's true or not that is
coming from a family attorney so that
attorney does have an incentive to say
good things about Mr Nelson but either
way worst case scenario this is a
misdemeanor criminal trespassing and at
least on the first part of the body cam
video that we can see Logan gimbal the
security guard is telling Mr Nelson to
leave the private property and then Mr
Nelson is in the front seat of the car
the wife is in the in in the passenger
seat he does just that he tries to pull
out of the parking space for whatever
reason Logan gimbal kind of stands in
front of the car and blocks it now this
part of the body camera video isn't
isn't that clear so it's really hard to
say how close Mr Nelson's car got to the
security officer but it probably got
close because then Mr gimbal the
security guard starts screaming you
almost hit me so he doesn't yell you did
hit me I'm injured he yells you almost
hit me so who knows if that was
intentional or not I mean you have to
look at it from the the mind of Mr
Nelson here he is he has a crazy
security guard in his mind screaming at
him and he's in his car he's trying to
leave do we really think at this point
that he's trying to run over the
security guard and kill him like this is
the big boy the security guard it just
seems like if his goal intent was to run
over and kill the security guard like he
probably could have done it so it seems
like the security guard overreacted but
what happens then is then the security
guard goes into a position that is more
in front of the car essentially right in
front of the car to where Mr Nelson he
can't move however Mr Nelson does move
forward a little bit as he moves forward
um and uh at this point I I should point
out this is important
um that the security guard pulls out a
firearm so he has a gun pointed right at
the front windshield of the Nelsons in
their car and then at the second time
that Mr Nelson goes forward Logan gimbal
the security officer he fires four
rounds through the driver's side
windshield and kills Mr Nelson he dies
the wife comes out and she's obviously
hysterical like anyone would be in in
that situation Logan gimbal is on on his
own body camera saying things like well
he tried to run me over I told him that
he's criminally trespassing and then he
he has another store and plus store
employee comes out and the store
employees like yes I saw the whole thing
and you know Logan tells her Mr gimbal
tells her to call 911 and one and then
he goes should I as as Mr Nelson is
bleeding out he goes should I render Aid
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do
well listen if you're carrying a firearm
and you don't know what you're supposed
to do after you discharge that firearm
maybe you weren't supposed to be
carrying it in the first place and
that's where I want to go with this so
in a lot of different states there are
levels of security yes we have the
Second Amendment and you know you can
carry firearms and all those things but
in order to legally work as a security
officer in a lot of states in order to
carry different weapon systems you have
to be certified and receive training
different weapon systems so in a lot of
States it's like a level one is maybe OC
or mace level two is maybe a baton level
three is is a firearm I'm not saying
that's the case in Oregon but you know
those are very similar structures for
security officers that a lot of states
have so you know having a firearm as a
security officer being able to carry
that on duty you know that would be
considered the highest level of of
security officer training that you know
would be possible the highest weapon
system you would think so um apparently
at this point Logan gimbal the security
officer had not completed the training
and certification in order to carry a
firearm so he wasn't even supposed to
have a firearm on him at that point in
the first place
um so let's talk about what security
officers and I mean the video was
horrific so
um Logan uh he would the reason why the
body camera was in the news this week is
because after this uh the security
officer he was arrested and a grand jury
just indicted him on a couple felony
charges a homicide charge a reckless
endangerment charge and then some other
charge for unlawfully using mace I guess
he also squirted mace at the guy too so
um he is charged with this and um yeah
he's uh my my prediction on this case is
that yeah he's going to get convicted
that if this goes to trial he will be
convicted so and I I went back and forth
with a lot of people on this case this
week and some people did have some you
know playing The Devil's Advocate they
did have different things to say they
said well you know Mr Nelson he was on
the property he wasn't supposed to be
can't the security officer him like is
that not legal and that is an excellent
question so the way you have to think
about private security is they are
citizens they are not police officers
they are not armed agents of the
government so you have to look at them
in it as an extension of the property
owner meaning that if the owner of the
property is able to do something they
can transfer that authority to the
private security officer that they hired
to protect that business so in this case
he committed a
so in this case he committed a at worst
case scenario a criminal trespass so can
an owner detain someone for criminally
trespassing and misdemeanor on their
property technically yes but it would be
a citizen's arrest and there are
different laws in different states that
cover this but typically you know you
can use reasonable Force depending upon
the crime to detain someone so in this
case shooting someone for Criminal
Trespass I mean that would not be
reasonable that's not something an owner
can do that's not something that Mr
gimbal should have done so what should
have Mr gimbal have done so again worst
case scenario this is a misdemeanor
crime and it's not like you have this
nefarious offender
um who who you don't know who you don't
know who it is like there was a beyond
the lookout for Mr Nelson they had all
of his information so it's not like you
know Mr the security officer was trying
to keep him there because they had to
identify him so they could they could
charge him with all these crimes they
already knew who he was they already
knew who he was they had his information
so what the security officer and anyone
in the comments you tell me about if you
think that I'm on the raw if I'm on the
wrong track here but the security
officer he should have observed what
happened recorded on his body camera
reported it worst case scenario do
something to de-escalate but if you're
if you have someone who's on the
property criminally trespassing and they
have a goal of trying to leave let them
leave it seems crazy absolutely crazy to
not leave so he's then he should have
reported what happened to the store hey
this is what happened I made contact
with this individual who had a criminal
trespass notice and then the store
management can decide whether or not
they want to call the police and have
you know official Criminal Trespass
um uh trespass charges filed New York
Tyrant Hunter he had him completely
blocked in even if he was trying to
leave he was stuck there until the
vehicle was moved yeah he had him
blocked in um yeah so is that reasonable
for um to block in someone for criminal
trespassing it just seems so strange we
don't want you on the property
guy goes okay cool I'm going to leave
no I'm going to keep you here I mean
it's nuts it doesn't make any sense and
police officers get this criticism too
when someone is criminally trespassing
someone they go cool I'll leave okay
great that's a win that's a win for a
police officer that's a win for the
security here's this guy who's kind of a
pain in the ass he's criminally
trespassing and he's willingly going to
leave fantastic that is a win take that
win
um so how about the idea that a vehicle
is a deadly weapon and because of that
this was reasonable Force well that's an
interesting point and yes a vehicle can
be a deadly weapon and but here's what
you can't do you cannot put yourself
intentionally in front of a moving
vehicle that you know someone wants to
move you cannot position yourself in
front of that vehicle essentially induce
your own Jeopardy and then when the car
moves a little bit shoot and say well I
was in fear for my life so police this
happens to police officers not all the
time but sometimes and in cases like
this police officers actually are
charged most police departments in their
use of force policy it's prohibited to
to intentionally put yourself in front
of a moving vehicle it's called
officer-induced Jeopardy so essentially
you can't do something that's
unnecessary that creates a dangerous
situation and then because you're in
that unnecessary dangerous situation use
deadly force and say I was in fear for
my safety so an example of when it might
be reasonable let's say you're on the
side of a road police officers on the
side road on a traffic stop and you know
you're on you're on the side of a
highway there's no one to go and a
random car just starts barreling towards
you and you can't go anywhere well yes
is with that use of force if a police
officers are shooting at that car would
that be could I imagine that being
reasonable of course but you have
someone especially when they've
committed like misdemeanor type crimes
and they're in the driver's seat and
they want to leave putting yourself
intentionally in front of that car that
would be that would be considered
officer-induced Jeopardy we have several
cases that I've covered in the last six
months where police officers are charged
for that exact thing so you would think
that in this case the security guard he
actually has been charged and you think
that he will be convicted uh Daniel
Fontana his escalation resulted in the
vehicle becoming a weapon shouldn't have
blocked him in concealed carry classes
explained not to put yourself in a
situation that is avoidable absolutely
Daniel Fontana why do you always have
the best comments thank you so much no
that that's 100 so yeah he escalated uh
uh the the situation there it is a
hundred percent on the on the fault of
the of the security officer there are
some people trying to defend the
security officer
um but I think that's really really
difficult to do uh the wife of the
individual who's killed so Mrs Nelson
she has filed the 25 million dollar
lawsuit against the security company my
guess is that Lowe's is also going to be
roped into that because anybody has
anybody who has any kind of Deep Pockets
you know especially a place like Lowe's
who contracted with the security
um company my guess is that they are all
going to be pulled into this lawsuit but
she's asking for 25 million dollars I
don't know how much he's going to get
it's hard to put a dollar amount on a
life but she's going to get paid a lot
and she absolutely should because that
use of force was absolutely unnecessary
unreasonable and unnecessary back to
Blue you can we'll talk to you later
um unnecessary it was not reasonable and
he wasn't even supposed to be carrying a
firearm um so the other let's see if we
got any contacts uh yeah so the vehicle
did not lunge forward until after the
first shot I believe he was going to
slowly go around the security guard to
leave Tony sweet that's an excellent
comment I agree so I mean when I walked
it it looks like the vehicle does go
forward a little bit but not like the
foot's on the gas and he's barreling
towards the security officer like that
didn't happen so I think he did move
forward a little bit but as I said
earlier Tony I don't know if you heard
or not but it doesn't seem like the
intent of Mr Nelson was to run over and
murder the security officer it seems
like if that was his intent it would
have been pretty easy to do so yeah I
don't think that that's what he was
doing and I think the security guard
overreacted and um yeah I just want to
say that you know this is this happened
in Portland and they've had a lot of
problems with their police department
mean meaning that they're not really
supported by a lot of the local
politicians a lot of police officers
leave anyone in here wants to go be a
Portland Police Officer I think they're
giving you a twenty thousand dollar
hiring bonus so so if they're really mad
at the police officers there but and and
I just want to say that listen if you as
Portland or any other city if you create
a situation where reasonable police
officers don't want to don't want to
work there don't want to get hired there
what you're going to be left with is an
army of Logan gimbals and nobody should
want that
um the next case I want to talk about it
was in Atlanta
um so this happened in June of 2020 kind
of like the summer of of not great
officer-involved shootings and this one
happened kind of smack dab in the middle
of this three weeks after George Floyd
June of 2020 but this was in my opinion
always in a Justified officer-involved
shooting so this was in Atlanta June of
2020 three weeks after George Floyd So
tensions are really high and the
individual who was shot and killed by
police officer his name was rayshard
Brook so if you remember this this was a
call for service at a Wendy's when if
you have any questions about why they're
doing these kinds of DUI investigations
definitely put it in the chat you know I
definitely happen happy to answer any of
those because some people are like well
why are the police officers even
investigating this but essentially what
happened is Mr Brooks was in a Wendy's
parking lot he was in a vehicle and he
was passed out I don't know if he was
blocking the drive-through if he was in
the parking lot I don't remember those
specific facts but either way employees
at the Wendy store called police
officers and reported just that hey
there's a guy you know passed out in the
car officers get there officers Devin
Brosnan and officer and Garrett Rolfe
now the officer Garrett Rolfe he is a
specifically a DUI officer so he pretty
much just does DUI investigations he
helps around uh let's see Detroit
Deadpool Atlanta shoot was 100 Justified
I agree with you and I am getting there
so with that with what happened here is
there was a DUI investigation it's all
on body camera so it's great so officer
Rolfe contacts Mr Brooks they do a DUI
investigation and officer Rolfe he's
nice polite professional with Mr Brooks
the entire time and again it's all on
body camera video and I think we're
going to post a link to that as well so
you can see exactly what we're talking
about that I'm not making up he wasn't
rude he was nice and reasonable the
entire time when it came to time now a
lot of times drunk people I know this
might be hard to imagine just aren't the
best judges of their sobriety and of
situations in general because it seems
like Mr Brooks thought that he was doing
pretty good on these field sobriety
tests because he seemed surprised when
the police officers told him that he was
under arrest because after the field
sobriety test when officer Rolfe told
him that he was under arrest he fought
with the police officers Mr Brooks was
able to overpower both police officers
knock them both to the ground was
punching the police officers and he
stole he actually took possession of
Officer Brosnan's taser so and there's a
security camera footage of this so you
can actually see it but as he's going as
he's running away from the police
officer wolf now he has officer
Brosnan's taser officer Rolfe is
following behind Mr Brooks in a foot
chase he's about 19 feet behind Mr
Brooks as Mr Brooks is running away he
he doesn't stop he keeps running but he
turns his body towards you know halfway
towards officer Rolfe points the taser
at him and fires in that moment officer
Rolfe pulls out his firearm and he
shoots Mr Brooks two times and kills him
um so to me this was an obvious
reasonable use of force by police
officers but at the time the officers
were both officers were charged so
officer Rolfe was charged with a felony
homicide some felony homicide in
reference to the shooting and then
officer Brosnan I mean poor guy I mean
he didn't do the field sobriety test he
didn't he got he got his ass kicked and
he got his taser stolen wasn't involved
in the shooting but somehow they charged
him with some kind of felony too well
thankfully there is a new D.A in Atlanta
who just dropped the charges the D.A did
a press conference and said that the the
D.A did the the press conference and
essentially said that the use of force
by police officers was objectively
reasonable and it absolutely was and
I've gone through this before but let me
tell you why I think it's Justified and
if you disagree you know so there's
there's honest criticism and there's
dishonest criticism so dishonest
criticism we need to say you think this
is Justified because you're racist okay
honest criticism would be hey this is
the case law this is the policy this is
best practices and try to weave it all
together like a reasonable adult would
have a conversation so you know I think
if if we have any reasonable
um comments we have a whole bunch of
them thank you Detroit Deadpool
um you know we're I'll definitely
definitely read those out and I think an
adult reasonable discussion an important
issue should absolutely always happen so
the reason why deadly force is
reasonable in a situation like this is
here's how you have to think about it so
it's not the 50 000 volts from the taser
that is is deadly forced to a police
officer like that that is isn't it
because police officers most of them are
tased in the academy before they even
have access to a taser you go through it
yourself that's why not in all places
but in most places so if you if you look
at this case so you have to think about
it this way well what happens if your
taste if an individual is tased they are
essentially incapacitated for five
seconds now whoever did the tasey can
pull the trigger a couple more times a
lot more times and that five seconds
could turn into 15 seconds 20 seconds 30
seconds now Whoever has control the
taser now if it's the officer who's been
tased Whoever has control of the taser
can take the officer's gun they could
take the officer's baton they could grab
a rock and smash the officer's head in
so I guess where I'm going with this if
a police officer is tased the likely
outcome could be death so if a likely
outcome to a police officer or just
think anybody is deaf it's reasonable
that you might use deadly force in order
to avoid that situation so that's why
it's not just that it's not just that
the the the the taser hurts or that you
know you're incapacitated it's what
could happen to you so essentially what
you're asking the police officer to do
in a situation like this hey here's a
guy he just fought with you he stole one
of your weapons he's using that weapon
against you now I want you to trust that
after he uses that weapon against you
he's not going to hurt you any further
you put that trust in him so you know
whether or not you go home to your wife
or husband or kids or get to live the
next 50 years of life you're going to
put it into the trust of the person who
just did all of these bad and violent
acts there's not a lot of reasonable
people who would put trust in there and
yes someone said that he was running
away absolutely so let's talk about that
if Mr Brooks was running away and he
didn't point and shoot the taser at the
officer and the officer shot yeah I
would say that's not a Justified
shooting I would say criminal charges
are appropriate and I can prove that I
would say that because there was a very
similar case in South Carolina where the
individual shot by officer slager was
Walter Scott so that half happened in
that particular case officer slager is
doing over 20 years in prison for
killing Walter Scott I think that was
the appropriate thing to do if someone
is running away police officers
typically unless you know it's the
Unabomber or something like that which
that isn't the case here but unless
there's really extreme circumstances
where you can pinpoint this person is a
deadly threat like someone has a gun and
they're running they say I'm gonna go
kill that person at that bus stop okay
okay yeah maybe you could see that but
generally if someone is running away
from a police officer running away from
Cops is not deadly force and it wouldn't
have been here except that Mr Brooks
made the decision for some reason to
point a taser at a police officer and
fire it at him so I think that um that
was absolutely 100 percent reasonable
Force um and listen it's really easy for
for this to not happen to someone it's
actually really easy don't fight with
Don't Drive Drunk don't fight with
police officers if you do fight with
police officers and you win the fight
don't steal one of their weapons and
don't shoot their weapons at them so if
you don't make these series of just
really horrible awful bad decisions
you're probably not going to get shot by
a police officer in this manner so I
just want to put that out there but yeah
I think that uh let's see as uh as drunk
as he was does anyone think Mr Brooks's
aim was going to be accurate who knows
Jose M I don't know um but at that point
um you know so they did test the blood
alcohol level and he was a .10 so he was
over the legal limit so officer Rolfe
was correct so his DWI investigation
skills were spot on
um but he was also on drugs he had
several other drugs in his system
besides being a .10 so um yeah he was um
he was absolute and again so what you're
asking for is I'm gonna put the rest of
my life you know my kids my wife my
family you know being in their lives for
the next 50 60 years I'm gonna ride that
all on this guy
on his accuracy uh there's not a lot of
reasonable people who would take that
chance
um so I mean I I that's yeah that's what
I have to say there so uh let's see if
you have any other comments oh my
goodness uh
no I don't
think we have any other comments on that
case but that does
go towards another very similar case and
it's the Patrick Loyola case that
happened earlier this year and that was
in Grand Rapids Michigan so the reason
why these are kind of connected is
because that was a case and we've
covered it on this channel before but
the Patrick Loyola l-y-o-y-a Patrick
Loyola case you know that was when
officer Christopher sure did a traffic
stop
um long side because because we covered
it before long story short there was a
foot chase there was a a physical
struggle and during the physical
struggle officer sure had his taser in
his hand and Patrick loyal the grabbed
controlled the taser the two men end up
on the ground and they were wrestling
over the taser and it was during that
fighting over the taser that officer
sure shot and killed Patrick Loyola so
it's kind of the same Theory the same
idea if you think and not saying
everybody does and I think there should
be debate on it there should always be
debates but if you think that you know
that a taser for the reasons that I gave
is a deadly force option for police
officers or that police officers should
perceive a deadly force threat when
someone steals their taser that you know
that's why officers sure fired in that
in that case so criminal charges have
been fired against officer sure I think
it is a reasonable Justified shooting
just like I thought that offered that
officer Rolf shooting was uh Justified
legal and reasonable as well we will see
what happens with the Christopher shirt
case for the officer involved shooting
with Patrick Loyola um the card charges
are still pending and yeah we'll have to
see what happens there but you know it
took a little over a year for uh and a
little over a year and a more reasonable
district attorney to turn that over
um in the Atlantic case uh so let's see
uh any other comments nope no other
comments about that case but yeah I
think so a lot of these issues we talk
about with police it's not just hey this
happened in this case but didn't happen
in that case
I mean so many of these issues happen
all the time to police officers like
there are other cases I covered one
probably about four or five weeks ago
where another police officer had his
taser taken by someone he was wrestling
with and there was an officer involved
shooting in that case as well so so you
know on the police side what can police
do well better retention of tasers that
seems like the first thing to do is
better retention of tasers and then you
know um the training from most police
departments is the official training
from most use of force um police
departments that if someone has your
taser or any taser and is threatening to
shoot you with it I didn't just make up
these reasons like this is official this
is what they say
um that you know it is reasonable to use
deadly force you should perceive that as
deadly force so if there is other
training out there or another uh best
practices out there um I'm not
close-minded put it in there because if
you have a different idea about this I
want to hear what it is no I don't want
to hear the different idea of well you
think this because you're a racist I
mean that's that's insane and ridiculous
and it's dishonest but if you say hey
here's this case here's this law here's
the this policy here's how they do it I
think that's a reasonable thing to talk
about so absolutely put that kind of
stuff in the chat wanted to switch gears
a little bit uh hang on oh Jose I'm just
getting rid of the taser it does more
harm than good I really appreciate you
saying that Jose and that's a really
good question because that's a that's a
good question does it so I think what
you have to look at in what situations
do police officers use tasers so well if
you use tasers you know so from my point
of view and here's how I think about it
you know police officers for a hundred
years I made that number up I don't know
how long police officers had two Force
options a baton and a gun so I can think
of a whole lot of situations where a
baton that's not enough Force to keep an
officer safe and a gun well that's too
much that's too much to keep an officer
safe so this weapon system in the middle
police departments have been looking for
40 50 60 years for a weapon system in
the middle to deal with these situations
and so far the taser is the best thing I
know there's also things out there
called like Ebola wrap I remember when I
was doing my under undergrad we did a
whole day on this in my in one of my
last years in a class where we had
basically demonstrations we watched
videos on all these different weapon
systems like there was one this is in
2005 a long time ago but I remember
there were there was one weapon system
where police officers would shoot this
thing it was like this giant net you
know it looked like something out of a
cartoon where someone's trying to catch
a dog or something so there's all kinds
of goofy intermediate weapon systems the
taser is the most effective one that
I've seen and here's why whoever said
that we should Jose M here's why I like
the taser or I think it's a good weapon
system because it doesn't cause any real
harm meaning that if it's a bean bag
shotgun if it's a 40 millimeter like
those are weapon systems that on the
really on the same level as a taser that
you're going to have significant
injuries you're going to have Cuts
you're going to have bruises you might
have broken bones if a police officer
tases you now obviously I'm not talking
about injuries you might sustain from
falling but just the actual taser itself
yeah it's uncomfortable and it's really
uncomfortable for probably about five
seconds and then you're back to normal
you're totally fine if it was something
that was super dangerous police
departments would not tase all of their
police officers as part of the
certification process I've been tased
two different times most police officers
have again if it was that dangerous they
wouldn't do it there's a lot of problems
with tasers but to say that we want
police officers to go back to only
having a baton and only having a baton
and a gun those are the only two choices
they have my prediction is what that
would do on like a policy level and like
or just real world results what would
happen is there would be more
officer-involved shootings my goal and
what I think my opinion is I want less
officer involved shooting so as many
weapon systems are in the middle for
police officers to utilize in order to
get people legally under arrest so
there's less injury to police and less
injury to people that's my preference
less officer-involved shootings less
violence I think the taser is absolutely
not perfect and I've talked about it a
lot but
um yeah it's it's it's it's probably the
best we have now Detroit Deadpool
tasia's IRS are people with heart
conditions aren't they yeah no they
absolutely could be
um typically not just heart condition so
if you have a heart condition and you're
high on meth and like really high on
meth or cocaine under those specific
circumstances you get tased yes you
could be you could be more at risk but
again Detroit Deadpool I'm gonna I'm
gonna say so if if you again if the
officers don't have the option of a
taser well then what are they using
instead so are they taking a baton and
breaking people's legs or are they
shooting people
um I you know I I would say long-term
long-term injury is probably most safe
using a taser again tasers aren't
perfect I've covered a bunch of times
tasers actually fail approximately 40
percent of the time but it's a good
thing pepper spray Jose M no pepper
spray is uh let me say pepper sprays
nonsense um pepper spray is nonsense if
there's any kind of a wind it doesn't
work you have to be within like six feet
of someone and you typically end up uh
having pepper spray affect you or the
other officers more than the people that
that you're trying to so yeah pepper
spray is not is not a good option I'm
not saying that we should get rid of
pepper spray like pepper spray is fine
but to say it's on equal footing or as
effective as a taser is not accurate in
any way shape or form okay one to switch
gears just a little bit to um Brittany
Greiner we talked about Brittany Greiner
before so um you know I I think this is
interesting maybe it's because I'm from
Chicago and I'm just a huge Chicago
Bulls fan but I don't know if everybody
heard that Dennis Rodman has said that
he's going to Russia to try to get to
Brittany Greiner free um you know what I
just I just have to say um from being a
bulls fan from the 90s in Dennis We
Trust if anybody can get her out my
money is on Dennis uh okay I also want
to talk about this case in Oklahoma can
you put it in there in in the chat if
you guys like Dennis Rodman of the bulls
or um hopefully you don't have any
Knicks fans in here
um one of the last case I want to talk
about it happened in Grady County
Oklahoma I don't know where that is but
it sounds like in the middle of nowhere
and we have a link to this one as well
so definitely go check it out um
individual's name is Ray Joe clay she's
a 36 year old female a little bit of the
setup is that she was causing some kind
of a disturbance not to the level of
where it was criminal because she wasn't
under arrest for criminal charges you
know she seemed like she was having a
mental health crisis police were called
um by by a citizen so she was put in
police custody it seemed like they were
on the way to not taking her to jail but
trying to get her some mental health
help which you know a lot of different
states have laws that you can
um uh a lot of different states have
where you know if someone shows that
they are a danger to themselves or
others or grave past second passive
neglect that you could take someone's
Freedom away and make them go to a
mental health evaluation if it meets
certain criteria themes like that was
going to happen here so here she is
she's in the backseat of this police
vehicle and Ash in the police vehicle
she slips her handcuffs now that isn't
uncommon no one should be surprised by
that especially with females or males
who are a little more slight that they
have smaller wrists and police officers
believe it or not they usually err on
the side of making cuffs a little bit
too big instead of a little bit too
small so and so this happens with
females a lot not a lot but it it
happened so a decent percentage of the
time that these people with smaller
wrists they can actually just slip right
out of the handcuffs if they're not on
properly so that's exactly what Rachel
did Rachel slipped out of her handcuff
so again not surprising here's what is
surprising is that
Rachel was able to gain control of a
patrol rifle and then use that Patrol
rifle to shoot at police officers whoa
to shoot at police officers and a
civilian who was outside the car now you
have to think about this so you know a
lot of police officers you know carry
rifles and other weapon systems in their
car typically they're locked I mean that
would be reasonable not only or should
they be so that's my first question why
wasn't this firearm blocked that's a
reasonable question the second question
I have is how in the world is the back
seat of a police car how does that
portion of a car have access to the
trunk of the car because there wasn't
like a metal divider or anything like
that
um or or anything like that there wasn't
anything like that it was it was like it
was like this mesh that she was just
able to reach through and grab the gun
now you have two police officers and a
civilian who are just standing kind of
on the side of the road you know and
this looks like a real area and all of a
sudden to their surprise they start
taking fire well they start taking fire
and they in the moment like they think
the fire and the gun the they think that
the rounds are coming from anywhere
other than their patrol car because they
pretty much run back to the patrol car
to take cover
um not knowing that it was actually
coming from there um they were able to
figure it out pretty quickly the a
civilian was shot
um a police officer was hit as well
neither of them were life-threatening
injuries which is a good thing there
ended up being a standoff with Rachel
for approximately four hours or so until
they were able to get her into custody I
think we did share the body cam footage
of that though so definitely go and
check that out it is uh it is pretty
wild body camera video but again the two
questions we show a lot of questions two
questions we should all have one why is
the rifle not locked and two how is it
possible that there's access from the
back seat of a police car to the trunk
where all the equipment is to me that's
even bigger than it not being locked um
how anybody has access especially when
you know that
um people let's see uh Daniel Fontana
aren't rifles and shotgun electronically
locked by a rack by a button in the
front of the cruise yeah that's that's
an excellent point so yeah so there are
a couple different kinds um yeah they
can either go in the front of the
cruiser or a lot of times it's also this
very similar system in the trunk and
yeah usually there's a there's there's
it's some type of a locking mechanism or
an actual key you have to put in but
usually there's something there so
someone can't just break into your to a
police car and just grab the weapon
system that typically isn't something
that happens so I don't know if it was a
system breakdown if they don't have an
sop or a policy on that or if the
officer just this is what he's done for
27 years I don't know how long he's been
on I just made that up he's been on for
27 years and just never happened before
because it's in the middle of nowhere in
Oklahoma but you know Rachel clay will
make them make them think again uh let's
see or is it in Oklahoma that all rifles
uh maybe they are all supposed to go in
the back I'm not sure there was a
failure somewhere and I'm sure they'll
get to the bottom of it but it was it
was it was really interesting
um so the last uh so that's about all
the cases that I had to go through this
week um I I do as we're kind of getting
ready and and preparing today you know
it's it's a couple news things broke um
in the last 12 hours or so so kind of a
little teaser for next week so um I
can't promise any more shout outs from
donut operator or Mike the cop or
anything like that but a couple of the
cases that I know that we're going to go
over next week and I just you know we'll
I'll want people to think about if you
have questions about it you know let's
go it's a case out in Tucson Arizona
where a police officer shot an
individual who was armed and armed with
a knife he went into a hardware store I
think it was Lowe's or Home Depot he was
armed with a knife and a police officer
shot him uh the police officer was uh
indicted on uh murder charges um in the
last couple hours and then also in Grand
Rapids Michigan so this is where Patrick
Loyola happened so they are Super Hyper
sensitive about anything with police
related because that case is uh pretty
pretty um high profile there there was
another officer involved shooting um
very recently and they put out the body
camera of that officer involved shooting
last night and that was in Grand Rapids
Michigan so so I'll definitely go over
those two cases next week and talk about
what we think about that
um so those were the only cases that I
have if no one else has any other
questions uh yeah I think that's about
gonna be it for this week's cases it was
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