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All right, good good man. Stand by here then. >> Casey, just keep coming, dude. >> Yeah, I won't be one of those. >> Left mine in my car. >> Mine is in the van if you want to grab it. >> Hey, if you guys can get him anywhere near >> If he moves at all >> You can see his left hand now. His body's not moving. >> You see his left hand moving >> I think he thinks it's a toy. >> Yeah, yeah, got you. >> I don't believe it is, >> I don't think so either, but you never know. >> No, because hey, listen, he's not going to have commercial grade explosives. >> No. >> And if he's got homemade, it's going to be a powder substance that he made out of like hydrogen peroxide. >> Mhm. >> And it's going to leak through that canvas bag. Plus, if he's got it packed in there, it should have already went off if it He's not got anything that he's going to have the And if it's firework dust, it's just going to make a [ __ ] Yeah, cuz it's not compressed. >> Hey Casey, we'll work with you, man, but we need you to come down. We gave you a letter and you haven't used it. Casey, you don't have to be scared, but if you don't listen to us, then we're going to have to come up there and get you. And that's going to be a worse option. >> Nobody outside this barn thinks there is a bomb in it. One of them used to work explosives, and he walks the others through why no commercial grade material, homemade powder, would have leaked through the bag, and packed that tight, it would have gone off already. They reached that conclusion out loud, and then they keep negotiating anyway. Under Indiana law, the offense is the belief, not the device. Was that the right call? Let us know in the comments.

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