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I feel completely over by this guy. The stuff that I could tell you, you'll probably make five movies on. >> On September 27th, 2025, police responded to a Wells Fargo after staff reported that a man was fraudulently attempting to cash a $5,000 US Treasury bond. >> Put it in park. >> I think that's the guy. >> Yep. Put your hands on the roof of the car. >> Take a seat here for me. Right. >> Yep. I got I got like a really bad knee. Is there any kneel? >> I hope you know. >> Could you help me? >> I'll help you. >> Thank you. Why'd you leave your ID in there? No, >> I'm not going to lie to you. >> Huh? >> I'm not going to lie to you. >> Okay. >> I I I already know. >> Okay. You're detained at the moment. You're free to leave. Okay. You're not free to leave. I apologize. So, I'm going to read you your rights. All right. >> You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say, but uses evidence against you. You have the right to talk to an attorney. Have him or her with you now at any time during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you. If any time you wish to stop talking or have an attorney present, all question will be stopped at your request. You understand these rights? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. With these rights in mind, you want to answer some questions for me, >> huh? >> Sure. Yes, sir. Sorry. I'm sorry. >> Hi. My name is Officer Li. I'm with the Orman Beach Police Department. >> Do you want to let me know what's going on? >> Um, >> because you said you already know. Uh, well, I got that in the mail. And when I got it in the mail, it said that it was from my grandparents and there was there was multiple of them. There was a bunch of them and I asked my grandparents if it was from them and they said no. But I called the online like treasury thing and they told me that it was valid and that um it had reached its redemption status that it could be redeemed. And I was like, I just think it's I thought it was a little odd that it also had someone's name on it that I never seen before. And I told them that and they said it could have just been someone else on the reissue cuz they broke it down to me. I just don't know all the >> things they told me. But they told me that they were like, "Yeah, if you wanted to go cash that, like all you'd have to go to do is go to like your local branch." I felt funny about it, but I mean when I called them and they told me that like it was good, I didn't see a reason cuz it it it looks like a savings bond that I've got from my grandma before. So, I don't know. I I knew I I knew something was up with it. I It's I feel dumb now. >> Okay. How many more of these do you have? >> Uh I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And you just got them from some random person that it said it was your grandparents, but it >> Yeah, it said it said when I got them in the mail, it said it was not my grandparents. >> And you called them and they said no. >> So you do you live in Jacksonville still? Where you live? >> Palm Coast. >> Okay. So when you try to cash it at Palm Coast, what' they say? I went to Palm Coast and they just told me that I could I could cash it, but they said that if I wanted to cash it there since it was such a large amount that uh I would I would it would be better off being deposited just so they could record who it was being dispersed to. And then I said, "Do you think if I went to another branch, they could maybe give me cash for it?" And they said, "Um, just call ahead cuz every branch has different amounts of money." And I was like, "Okay, I understand. I I don't know. >> Okay. >> I didn't know. >> Is there only one Wells Fargo up in Palm Coast? >> There's two of them, but uh I I went to one in the morning cuz the after I called and they said that it was uh like legit when I looked on the Well, I looked on the first it was like a some type of treasury website. And then after that um it was like after that it gave me a phone number to call. And then once I called the phone number they basically told me that >> I need I needed to uh go to a bank to even >> get like any type of confirmation on anything. So I I don't know >> who's this guy with you. >> Oh that's my friend. >> I've known him for real. His fan was from out of town. >> Where's he from? >> You just said he's from out of town. >> No, he lives out of town. >> Okay. So, where's he from? >> Okay. Where's he live? >> Huh? >> New York. >> Okay. >> So, what made you leave your ID and everything in there and try to boogie out of there so quickly? >> That's when I got it in the mail and my grandma told me that it wasn't legit. I was like I was just kind of like I was like that's weird cuz like I've heard before of like people getting like checks in the mail and stuff like that and then you know >> I'm going to interrupt. You tried cashing this in coach today. They told you it was fraud. You bled. You called the branch here. I spoke to you. >> No, I did not. >> You did. You and I tried to verify. >> The lady I called. >> Okay. But you knew it was fraud. You tried to cash it there and then you came here. Stand by. All right. Go. >> You got your ID with you? >> No, sir. >> Huh? >> No, sir. >> No. All right. Do me a favor. Just come over here for me for right now. >> Is there a problem? >> Yeah, I'm conducting an investigation. >> Just take a seat and relax for a minute. Okay. >> But that that what she just what she just >> I have to do a little bit. But >> what she just told me what she just said is not true. When I went to Palm Coast, this the branch that I go to every single day. Literally every day. >> The one in Palm Coast. >> Yeah. I go there every day. She told me she said they were on a firstname basis there. He literally told me that I could deposit it in my account and I was just like, I'm okay. I'd rather not wait. >> So, bad officer safety on my >> um so I come in through the thing and I kind of box him in there and I you saw where the car was, but I can see through the car. I see he's the only one in it. Get him out. I cuff him. I get him to sit back here on the curb and read Miranda and this dude I guess had his seat laid all the way back. I never installed the car. Popped out the passenger receipt. Okay. >> So, he started walking down that way on the phone. I called him back over here. >> I guess he's on IRS for fraud stuff. I read him. Miranda, he's talking. He He says there's more of those at the house that came in the mail. He said probably >> What's this guy's name? >> Uh Owen. >> Go grab him and bring him over. You got a camera roll? >> Yeah. >> You got to help him up. You got to help him up. This officer already read your Miranda, correct? >> Yes, sir. Okay. You want to talk to me? >> Yes, sir. >> Who's Kenyatta Johnson? >> I That's what That's what I told him. I have no I have no clue who that is. >> That's why I thought it was odd and I called and then I called my Well, first I called my grandmother. I said, "Do you know anything about this?" >> How do you know this guy? >> I don't know for a while. I met him when I lived in Jacksonville. Just a friend. And I met him at a music studio. >> Okay. >> So, now we're going to cut through all the BS. Okay. Huh? >> This guy right here. Your problem. >> Yeah. >> I'm in there at least for the same [ __ ] >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Why are you Why are you looking? >> What am I looking at you? Am I hurting your feelings? >> No, you just like looked at me like I was supposed to know. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, because Johnson. It's made to you or that person. >> Yeah. I have That's what I'm telling you. I got >> So, so your, so your first your first reaction was to >> I called it my grandmother cuz that's where it said it was from was from my grandmother and then I looked on the Treasury website and then once I looked on the Treasury website, it said this is redeemable. This has met its maturity. And then I called Wells Fargo cuz it said I could redeem it online. It would just take 10 to 14 business days. So I was like, who would want to wait that long? So then I called Wells Fargo, the one in Palm Coast first, and I said, "Is this something I'd be able to cash?" And that was last week because I I was, like I said, I was nervous about it. And then I went there and once I got to the first one, she said, "Well, we would have to hold on to it and make a copy." >> You have the envelope that it was mailed to you on. >> No. >> What I'm trying to tell you is why I'm looking at your front. Don't cover for anybody. If somebody gave you this and told you it was, >> right? >> Okay. Because my guess, somebody gave it to you. Hey man, this is >> his address. >> Your story ain't making sense. I've been doing this [ __ ] for 30 years and it's not making sense. >> Your grandma was the was the return receipt on the envelope. >> No. >> So why would you call your grandmother? Your grandmother's name isn't on there. >> It literally said from my grandma to Owen Kirkpatrick >> on what? >> On an envelope. And then I opened the envelope and I saw there were there's a bunch of those in there. My first reaction was like, "What the hell?" Because my grandma, the reason that I first thought it was even slightly real is because when I was little, my grandma never used to get us Christmas presents. She would give us CDs, like savings bonds. So I was like, "Maybe, maybe it's like I'm about to turn 21. Like maybe I can cash them in." So I called her and once I talked to her and she was like, "Yeah, like I did not I don't even have that much money to give you." I called the the treasure thing and they told me that it was redeemable and that's also what they told me at the branch at Palm Coast. They said, "Yes, this is redeemable. You could redeem it right now. The only thing is if you redeem it right now, we will have to deposit it like a check and it will be held for 4 to seven business days." And I was just like, "All right." So then I called the nearest branch, which was here from Palm Coast, and they said, "Yeah, go ahead. You're more than welcome to cash that. You're more than welcome to cash that here." And I was like, "Well, it's for a large amount of money." Like, and they were like, "It should not be an issue as long as it's redeemable." And I came in here, she looked it up on the computer. She put it through the little swiper thing. She said, "Yes, this is redeemable." So, I'm not sure. >> Well, bad news is it's not redeemable. It's fraudulent. And we checked the we checked the actual Treasury Department and that's what it said. >> Yeah. I I I already knew. I already knew. I I knew from the second she she told me she was calling to verify. I was like, "Of course. So, you're telling me it's a coincidence that this guy's on their doing the same thing and you happen to be with him trying to cash in the chest. >> Well, bond, but I'm I I met him in a studio in Jacksonville with my friend and that was almost 4 years ago. >> Well, if you known him for 4 years, then you should probably know that he's been arrested. >> Well, he also doesn't really like live in Florida. like he's been staying at my house for the last couple days. He doesn't live anymore. I'm not sure. Okay. Do I need to sit back? >> No, you can sit right here. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> His friend, Mai Robinson, was released at the scene due to a lack of sufficient evidence directly linking him to the incident, although records showed he was currently on inmate release status for defrauding a financial institution. Is that the only one you had with you today? >> What? >> That bond. >> Did he just get let go? >> Yeah. >> Is there something else you want to say? >> It's all good. >> I mean, if he's obviously involved, why are you covering for him? Cuz now you're upset he got let go. We're going to do an inventory toe search. Okay. >> I uh I in the uh in the glove box it's locked. I do have I have a firearm. >> Okay. >> But I I have the bill of sale and everything, too. >> Okay. So, here's what's going to happen. That that firearm is going to go to RPD. >> Okay. And they're going to have it for a little bit because they're going to test it and all that other stuff like that. >> 100%. >> Okay. So, they'll notify you when it's ready for you to come get it. >> He just got let go, though. >> Huh? >> He just got let go, though. >> Yeah. He said he didn't have anything to do with it, right? >> Is that what he said? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You got the He's the car. >> They're in the car. >> Oh, and there's a there's a zero and the robot. >> But I will say the only thing that's in that car that is mine is what I didn't that I'm not going to lie to you. I I don't I don't I'm not trying to be that person, but that that backpack in that car is not mine. I don't give I don't give a [ __ ] He just told you that backpack red. When he said red backpack, that's why I just looked at him. Crazy as [ __ ] He didn't have no red backpack. [ __ ] >> What's in the backpack? >> No clue. No clue. No clue. >> Look, dude, it sounds like to me you're a good kid that got wrapped up with this guy. >> I've known him for a long time. >> Yeah. Well, he had you do his dirty business. No, I I will be completely honest. He came to he he came to my house. When he came to my house, I showed him I had those. And >> honestly, >> every time >> he was like, "Oh, are are those real?" And I'm like, "I'm not sure." >> So, >> he could have mailed them to you and then all of a sudden just showed up. >> Well, the thing is he I got them like a week ago and when I got them >> in the glove box in the glove box. The glove box is locked. You got to take the uh the key and slide it >> in the car. >> Listen, >> that would be that if that if that happened, that would be crazy >> because I'm I'm going to tell you, unfortunately for you, whatever's in that freaking backpack, >> it's in your car. >> Are you serious? >> Yeah. >> That's not my You could You could probably There's probably [ __ ] That's not even four white people. Like hair cream and [ __ ] in there. It's not That's crazy. That's crazy as [ __ ] If that's If that's the case, that's that's genuinely crazy. But it's not my backpack. >> I don't got no reason to. >> Like I said, like like when when a lady just came out here yelling, hooting, and hollering, saying that they told me at Palm Coast that that was fraudulent. I told him straight up, I know the lady in the Palm Coast branch on a firstname basis. I went in there. Miss Briana, could I cash this? She said you could cash it, but we'd have to deposit it. She said you should try another branch. I came here and you got no reason to buy all that [ __ ] I know. I up. Am >> I going to the car? I need to sit back down. >> We're going to search you. Then you're going to get in the car. >> While checking the car, officers found another gun. >> Are you serious? Are you serious? Dude, >> this is some [ __ ] show that guy. >> Okay, Owen, I'm going to talk to you real quick. Okay. >> Yes, sir. >> Cuz I have a I have kids your age, believe it or not. >> I'm 47. I have a 20-year-old son. Okay. I got um and I want to just ask you from me to you. Okay. So, I'm going to read this again. And I know you have already said you're willing to talk to us, >> but you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say may be used as evidence against you. You have the right to talk to an attorney or have him or her with you now or at any time during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, when will be appointed to represent you? If at any time you wish to stop talking or have an attorney present, all questioning will be stopped at your request. You understand these rights? >> Yes, sir. >> With these rights in mind, are you willing to talk to me? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, listen. I feel like you are being taken taken advantage of. Okay. >> I I I understand. I know what you're going to say. You already told it to me. But it's just like even even if even if I say that is the case, what what is that going to it's not going to do [ __ ] for me? >> Well, in the long run it might. I'm just in the long run it might it may. What I'm just trying to tell you is that we already know the situation. Okay. The problem is is you're covering people that are or you're I'm I don't know if it's multiple people. I don't know if it's one person, but you're covering for for a person or people that are using you as a young kid as their fall guy, >> right? >> Okay. We 100% believe and we don't have enough to to pin it on them because you're taking a fall for them and that's what we believe. Okay. Um >> what happens to me though? What do you mean? What happens to you? >> All that stuff is paperwork. >> And I know you don't want to be a rat. >> That's not that. It's all that stuff's paperwork. All that stuff can be gotten as soon as I say something. All someone has to do is go and request the paperwork and then I'm cuz I said something. So what's worse? Being in jail or having someone come do something that you or your family. >> Okay. So you're worried about you're worried about your safety? >> I mean, if you're worried about your safety, I get it. I do. >> I mean, sure. That I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, 100%. I I I don't I've never been in trouble before. >> I know. I already know this. That's why I'm talking to you. Okay. I already know that you've never been involved in something like this. And >> start work tomorrow. >> Okay. I'm literally supposed to >> And you know what? I hate the fact that you're back here and we're taking you to jail for this because I feel like you're being taken advantage of and out of the fear of what somebody might do to you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to know that I'll be safe if I talk to you. >> Yes, you will be safe. >> 100%. >> Yes. >> With the things that I know for a fact. >> Tell me tell me how this all went down. >> There's way more. Way more. That guy's not even that like that compared to what there is behind it. There's a lot more. >> A lot more. There's there's there's like there's someone who has all of those times probably thousands in somewhere in Orlando right now and I know where it's at 100%. and know who makes those. And the rest of the stuff that I know because now I feel completely over by this guy. One, I don't even know his name and I've known him for years. Um, >> how do you know these people? Put put it that way. >> Him. >> Okay. Through him. >> Yes. >> Through Mai. >> Yeah. And the stuff that I could tell you, you'll probably make five movies on. I I I promise you. Like there is a lot. >> So he's the one that you know that's affiliated with all this stuff that's going on. >> A lot. >> Okay. And it's all the counterfeiting. >> Oh, it's it's a lot more. A lot more. >> Okay. So, how did you get involved with today? >> Um I like uh like I said a couple years ago, >> not loading the print. >> Huh? >> Not loading the print. >> Hang on. >> Just copy and put it in the email and send it to him. Okay. >> I I met him through a mutual friend. >> Okay. >> So, that was a few years ago. So, what's the current >> what what was the current situation today? >> I I know >> he's been staying with you. >> No, no, no. I know what he does for a living. One, which is this. And >> which is what? >> Fraud. >> Okay. >> Um and then but he told me cuz I told him how I had some like I had a bunch of stuff just not go my way recently. I lost a lot of money and I've been reeled down. And he told me that, you know, I know someone who can make these, but I'd have to come down to Florida. And I don't know if this is all like a coincidence or if I'm >> He was saying this to you. >> Yes. I don't know if this is all a coincidence or if he's just been like fiddle with my head, but every time he comes down to Florida, he he takes the uh what's it called? The the bus uh that that goes all the way around. Greyhound. >> Yeah, he takes the Greyhound because he's he's always told me that can't go on planes because he's on the run for something and everybody's always told me that. So he tells me he's like, "Look, I promise you 100% these are like he was like he was like I want you to take one right now." He was like, "I will give you one." He was like >> meaning today. >> Uh >> this morning? >> Yes. I I don't remember. I'd have to ask my girlfriend when he came, but it was either yesterday morning or the night before that >> is when he said >> it's when he arrived here and we went and got them. So when we went and got them, he was like, >> "You went where to get them?" In Orlando. >> Yeah. Okay. >> We went and got them. He was like, >> "What part of Orlando? Like Sanford or?" >> Uh, no. Well, downtown Orlando. >> Downtown Orlando. >> I I know exact like they they they said way too much on the phone on speaker phone. >> And what did he do? Did you guys drive down there together? And then >> I drove down there in my car. >> Okay. So, you took him down there. >> Mhm. >> Um, >> he grabbed a bunch and I I you know, if if I'm going to say the truth, I'm going to be completely real with you. The other name on those is if mine didn't go through, he was going to go to Jacksonville to give to Kenyatta or whatever the name is so she could try and do it at her bank, which I know he said too much and I heard all of it. She I I can tell you everything. >> So, she was on the phone with them. >> Yeah. Uh, no, she wasn't, but the people that orchestrated it were. And she has, I think, a ratified credit union or something like that. They were going to go try that >> in Jacksonville. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, they tried he tried getting you to see if you could cash it. >> Yeah. Because at first I know I know what he does. I'm not I'm not stupid. Like, I'm not dumb. He He told me he was like, "Look, check this out." Oh, he was like, "Go on like the official like Treasury website," which I did. I typed in all the numbers on it just like how you do with the stimuluses. And it said it was valid. It was Yeah. It said it was matured and everything for like 8,200 bucks or something like that. >> Really? >> Yeah. So, I was like >> I was like, "There's no way." I was like, "There's seriously no way." And >> Okay. So, you were under the impression that this is going to work. >> Not that it's going to work, but that it wasn't fraud. Like, I'm not a dumbass. I wouldn't do something like like fraud. Fraud is like I I know how fraud is. It's very tedious. Like the smallest things. And I was like, "Dude, I'm not trying to do fraud. Not trying to ruin my bank account, but I pay all my bills through." And he's like, "It's not." He's like, "It's not getting deposited in your account so it won't mess up your account." He's like, "When you go in there, it's not like how >> you're cashing it in." >> He's like, "It's not like they're doing a check where they got to call and verify." And then the first time I went in there, they were trying to call and verify. And I was like I was like, "How?" I'm like, "Why are they trying to call and verify?" >> And that was this morning at the other bank. >> Yeah. And I was like, "Why are they trying to call and verify? It's legit." I'm like, "And so I go in the car and I tell him I'm like, "What?" I'm like, "Dude." And he's like, he's like, "They're tripping." He was like, "Just let's go to the bank that you like always go to." Cuz since I moved to Palm Coast, I've always gone to the one branch where Britney or whatever her name works at. And I went in there. >> So, how many banks did you try up there? >> Two. There's only two in Palm Coast. And this >> So, you went to the one and then it didn't work. They were trying to verify. >> Yeah. So, the first one they tried to they didn't even put it like through the little like like scanner thing. They just looked at it and I could tell like they were thinking about it. >> They looked at it real funny and cuz I said something to him about it and then they took it to the back and they were like, >> "Which which Wells Fargo was that at?" It's a big plaza >> on Palm Coast Parkway. >> Yeah, it's like one of the only plazas in Palm Coast. >> Yeah, I know where it's at. >> So, >> yeah, I know where it's at. It's Yeah, there's a tattoo shop over there. Um >> I'm not sure. It's just like >> the post office is right there, too, across the street. Okay, I know where it's at. I went I live in Palm Coast. Yeah, I went I went in that one and they looked at me real funny and I was like like at first I was just like cuz I did my research on it first and it said that they stopped making treasury bonds in 2012. So when they saw it said 1993 they asked me how old I was. I was like I'm like why does this not seem right? And then they were just like I was like >> okay so you immediately you so they what they do they give it they gave it back to you? No, I told them I was in a crunch for time. I need to go somewhere. I was like, I'm >> And at that point, they gave it back to you. >> They gave they gave me back to >> I'm shocked that they did that. Okay. >> Uh went to the next uh >> to the other one. >> Uh I chatted it up with the teller. We were just talking for a second. I gave it to her. She ran it through the machine and I could see on her computer. It literally said like the whole bond thing like it's matured. I could get the money right then and there. But I've had issues with that Wells Fargo specifically with like taking uh cash out and she knows this cuz she's always my teller every time I go in there. She was like this is like an amount of money we wouldn't be able to give you in cash. She was like I'll have to deposit this. And at my point in my head I'm like I just seen that it says she just read me everything about it. She read she seriously told me everything about it. >> Perkins go in there and see what he says about it. And it look like from my eyes when I'm looking at what she's looking at and what she's telling me, I'm like, "Oh, 100%. This is like there's no way this is fake." Like there's no way the bank would not recognize this as being fake if it was fake. So she's what she's telling me. She's like, "But we have to deposit it." And I'm like, "If okay." So in my head when when I'm right there, I'm like, "Okay, it's it's real." like there's no way she just pulled up my account number and my name and then scanned that and it said it was redeemable for me and it's not real. So, I was just thinking, okay, if it's real, there has to be another branch that could give me $8,000. There's no way a branch doesn't have $8,000 in Florida. So, I looked on the maps, found the nearest one. I called them and I said, "Hey, I got this. I went to another branch and it seemed as if like they were insinuating they didn't have the cash to give me." So, they were like, "Oh, yeah, 100%. come up here and we can give you the cash. And even then, the lady, even though they're the ones who whatever, however that happened, I don't know how it happened, but when I walked in there, the the older lady put it through the machine, and I could see the [ __ ] on her computer, too. It even said it was ready to be redeemed. And she told me the exact amount of money, exact amount of time. And I'm like, so then when I um when I when I knew something was up was when she wouldn't give me my ID back. And then I started to see the police officer go in front of the thing. And I was just like, um. So a after that, I go to get in the car and the second I get in the car, I see him go real fast behind the drive-thru and I'm like, but he didn't have his lights on. So I was like may maybe some maybe by the grace of God it's someone else and I was like should I >> stopped so you couldn't back out. >> Yeah. I asked him I was like should I just go? He was like go now. Go now. Go now. Go now. Cuz in my head I' I've been under the impression for 3 years that he's like federally on the run. And I went to do it and he just Yeah. like you said, he stopped behind me and I was just like I I immediately as soon as he turned on his lights, I just got out the car and put my hands up and I I fibbed to them. But I mean, like I said, what what I'm telling you now, >> like so he he gave you he gave he he knows somebody that prints those out >> in Orlando. Thousands of them. >> How many does he have on him now? Like is that the only one he had on him or is it that Do you know that he has more with him? >> I don't I couldn't honestly tell you. I know for a fact because like I said, I've gone across the country to stay with this guy. I've stayed with this guy in California before multiple times. Which guy? >> Uh I I know him as Como. I know him as Komo. That is what I've always known him as. >> Como as in CO M O. >> Yeah, that's what I've always known him as. >> Okay. >> Nothing else. And I've maybe heard like uh his cousin or someone else, maybe his girlfriend or something call him like uh just do uh and then one time I heard his roommate call him when we were in California Joshua. But that doesn't matter. But >> well, it comes back to like Mai like Robinson is his name, >> which is which is real weird cuz I've heard I there's I just want you to know though cuz I know what now with what I've already said, it doesn't really matter how much more I tell you. I can 100% literally probably give you enough things. >> Did he make you feel like you had to do it? 100%. 100%. >> Like, and if you didn't, he was gonna do something to >> I didn't owe him money or nothing like that. It was just more so of he's >> It seems like it got to the point where >> like once I once I was sitting there >> and I kept looking at him and he wouldn't make eye contact to me and I had the police uh the handcuffs on, I just knew I just got completely fiddle with. He was he was like >> he's using you as the fall person >> cuz cuz >> he's trying to see if he can get away with it. Okay. >> However, >> they have a lot. >> Okay. However, and I'm sure they they have However, what he say better? >> Yeah. >> Good to go. >> Y >> Okay. I got to sign it. Okay. Um when was the last time you had contact with him prior to just recently? I don't He calls >> Does he just show up or does he >> No, he call He calls me like every once in a while like he Okay. So, >> and is it usually involving doing stuff like this? >> He's always tried to get me to do it. >> That's what I'm trying to do. >> When I was younger, like >> Hang on a second. Let me close the door for a second. >> Okay. So, this is So, this is what he's involved in. He's gotten you involved in it. >> Yeah. But when I was when I was younger, he tried to like kind of like big brother me into it. >> I never had any luck and every time that I like I've maybe tried doing this once or twice and every time I've tried doing it, it's way too close to call and I kind of just told him to off with it and I ended up getting like my uh financial advisor's license and doing my own thing. And then I had some bad things happen to me recently and he was like, "Look, these are legit. This is what happened. >> How do you know how many he has on him besides the one you tried to cash today? >> Uh >> like >> how many were in that book bag? >> We didn't find any in the book bag. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> I mean I don't know what they went through the book bag. I didn't go through it. Okay. >> Yeah. So >> if >> you were Okay. The best way. >> And that's his book bag, right? >> 100%. Like I like that's why I was telling them so confidently. I'm like if you guys do like really investigate this, you could take my fingerprints and put the you could put my hair next to that book bag. Nothing on that book bag will even come back to a scent of me. >> So the printer's yours, the two phones, the >> No, no, no, no. Just the only things >> No, I'm saying the stuff the printer's yours cuz it wasn't in the book baggage in your back seat. >> And the the Glock 23 that is mine. The Glock 23 that was in the glove box is yours. >> Yeah, that one was It was locked. >> The other gun, I forget what kind of gun. It's an MP or a 9 millimeter. That's his. >> Yeah. Not mine. >> Okay. Has anybody else been in your car besides him? >> Like recently? Oh. >> Could it be any Could it could it be somebody else's book? >> The only person that's possibly been in my car is my girlfriend. >> Okay. And when I'm telling you that seriously this all puzzles in to a lot more a lot more crazy stuff you're saying it's deep. >> It's like this is not even like a edge of an iceberg. >> It's an organized crime type of thing. >> Like way bigger like way bigger. And that's that's why >> and he's involved in it and he's trying to get you. >> He's making Well, he's making you feel like >> you had to go cash it. >> It's not that I had to go cash it. It's just like uh you it's like you tried to like I don't know I don't know what's the best way to explain it but it's just like uh >> okay >> you know when you're real vulnerable to do something and then someone it's just like this I'm not saying you but anybody >> No, I know what you mean. >> Someone it's you're you're kind of easily persuaded. It was it was more of those things. It was just like >> I haven't I literally haven't worked since I was 16 years old. I've been doing real good for myself. >> Okay. But you got that from him and not your grandmother, right? >> 100%. >> Okay. >> 100%. I never I I never said I got it from my grandma. I said that it said it on the mail. But >> I know, but you were implying that you got it from your grandmother as a bond that she bought for you. >> I'm just telling you that with the stuff that I know >> the body cam footage is going to be reviewed. if if I were to like the why I'm worried is because he knows how much I know because I've been over the country. >> When you go before a judge, okay, >> um you the judge is going to ask you questions about this, okay? At this point, it's it's it's on camera and you will he won't be able he won't know that this is going on or that you're giving him up. Eventually, he's going to get tied to the crimes that are being committed. >> I I right now that would tie him to multiple different things with his face on it, but people just can't find him in different cities and states. >> Okay. I can tell you he he he stole it when I went to Cal I didn't even know this when I went to California to stay with him. He stole a rental car, a brand new Porsche and had it for probably about a month when he was living out there. He >> and never got caught. >> He got the police like I'm talking about it was on the news like 10 cop cars helicopter chasing him. He crashed into a wall and somehow got away. Somehow got it was all on the news. And that's not like I'm telling you there's so much more. And it's not like it's like family. Like >> he's a career criminal. This dude, how old is he? >> If if he's lying to me, he's 31. >> Okay, we have it, but I I'll look it up. >> He's either 30 or 31. >> Okay. Okay. >> And there's there's a lot there's a lot a lot. This is this this is not going to help you today. I know >> and it's not going to help you >> right away. Okay. But what's going to happen is is >> this is all going to be reviewed by a judge by people authorities. Okay. Secret service because >> that involves secret service and the feds and all that stuff. No, because the thing the thing with the defraud in the institution from him that started because he was doing uh fraud so hard through Fivestar Bank that they hired a Secret Service agent and it was on their website. >> Okay. >> And they tracked him and his cousin down, which his cousin's like my age. >> Where does he live now? >> New York. It >> It's either New York or Connecticut. And he stays with a girl and her kid. He calls his step kid. >> Okay. Okay. >> But he's got uh like he's he's got family, girlfriends everywhere. I'm telling you, he could hip skipping boogie to Delaware right now and he'd know someone there and it it wouldn't matter. >> Okay. All right. Well, let's get your situation. We'll get out there. Okay. You're going to go through the whole process. You got nothing on you. >> No. >> No drugs or anything. Okay. because I don't want you to catch make this situation any worse for you. Like I said, this is all being recorded. It's going to be reviewed. The fact that you're admitting that that came from him and >> he made you feel pressured into going in there and trying to uh obtain the funds >> for that. um is when you go to court involving this case, they're going to take that into consideration and this that's probably going to be enough to put a warrant out for his arrest to tie him to the crimes that you're talking about >> there. That's like I said, like what I just told you, there is enough of those things to make movies. I promise you it's ridiculous. >> All right. He was originally charged with cashing of a bank item with intent to defraud, grand theft, use of another's ID without consent over $5,000, counterfeiting a payment instrument, and uttering a forgery, but ultimately pled no contest, receiving 4 years of probation, 100 community service hours, and required completion of a choices and consequences class.

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