how you doing
Dennis nice to meet you
what do you work for uh I'm a recovery
agent oh okay
hasn't been over here
it's quiet
put your Patrol out here or something uh
I basically I come out and like make my
presence known uh a lot of folks out
here you know they're always on on
something or have warrants or anything
like that oh I said so basically I just
come out here I mean I rolled with them
the other night oh okay cool cool
so you contracted through young town or
you just uh I've worked for the State of
Arizona oh you work with the state
Arizona oh so you like DPS
sort of how would you explain how did
you explain Baal
oh you're not building enforcement work
but basically so basically for for me
anyways
I don't just do like Bail Bonds
companies I contracted the state okay so
like if the marshals have something they
don't want to go pick them up they'll be
like here take this file go get the
stuff if uh local police department like
I have a Glendale Glendale warrant right
now I'm gonna be like hey come pick this
guy up like all right cool we got it uh
so basically I just I go in like Cruise
areas like I was at a 35th Avenue in our
Camelback last night
shootings
car accidents you name it and basically
you know I know PD and stuff is
stretched thin so I'll respond to scenes
because I'm also a firefighter okay so I
respond to scenes and that's my normal
day job okay firefighters what
department you work for uh I'm actually
out of show list
man that's a ways out
you volunteer fire or you're like fully
certified oh wow okay
what's your position there are you like
a engineer
I mean but what do you do for the fire
department I'm just a basic firefighter
um you run medical you drive a rig you
do engineering so it's always it's
always different uh because everybody's
cross-trained okay small town okay so we
have to have like a specific engineer
would that make sense oh I mean we have
a specific Captain but that's about it
so y'all like almost like rural almost
basically okay okay
that's what's up
that's cool they let you put lights on
that thing or what take those yeah yeah
you got red and blues on there yeah on
the rear red and White's in the front oh
for sure that's what's up
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yeah I like uh Suburbans man is nice
I mean it's spacious I'm six foot three
yeah and I mean if I gotta jump out I
ain't trying to jump out another tiny
little car like this Push the door and
break the door off yeah that's what's up
man I mean I literally throw that thing
in park and jump out the car and start
running we've done it before so that's
what's up man that's nice man it's clean
too
no dents no dings I mean it looks nice
though man we got the ding on the side
other than that
I mean but that's the kind of car you
want though when you're putting a fuses
in the back huh
you got a caged up too
damn that's nice I'll either uh
depending on like if they're light on
this stuff you know your rear uh
windshield wipers off
it's just messed up like that yeah
it looked like a little nub like you
know somebody don't have an arm
is it just
on and off every so often
that's crazy bro
we don't know how to do it okay I don't
know either you might have pulled a fuse
for it at least probably
that's what's up that's nice bro
yeah we know what's going on man because
we got some people running around out
here we got a bunch of jokers I just
can't I just went to the kitchen uh you
guys had some people in the corner back
there
I drove up saw people on bikes so I I
figure Something's Gonna go down soon
enough oh that's what's up man
that [ __ ] nice man well I have a Tahoe
so that's why yeah always like this body
type I had a Crown Vic before this and
he did have the cage and stuff oh yeah
but I was just too big for it I mean
[ __ ] uh if I'm running full gear full
vest and everything
I mean it's just it's harder for me to
get out it's like this I'm sure you
probably yeah I gotta struggle getting
it out of yeah like the stairway I could
just jump in slide my butt in we're good
to go like yeah I get caught on the
steering wheel quite a bit yeah okay
that's what's up man can I see your
lifespan [ __ ]
I got the siren put in the other night
dude 20 bucks from Amazon
oh nice there's just one falling on the
other side right there what like one is
falling on that other side
yeah this is nice bro
I said you got the halo lights from uh
the upgrades
I bought the car like this I cannot wait
for these halo lights to go okay
that's what's up
20 sirens
and loud
I had to run because last night a couple
times
I can hear the thing over my radio full
blast it was no joke oh so you could you
run traffic code too you got title 28.
oh when I'm going to car accident stuff
I run Cody because I'm a firefighter
other than that I'm gonna get uh funeral
escort [ __ ] oh you should get like some
side lights for this thing too I ordered
the running board lights and I want some
here and then I got the license plate
cover coming through oh that's what's up
hopefully we'll get the whole shebling
these were just to like a temporary
because I had just bought in this
vehicle a couple weeks ago so dang how
long you been in the business man I've
been doing bail for four years and
firefighter fatigue okay so you live up
in Show Low uh I did I just moved back
down here ah okay okay I only traveled
to Show Low when they they have
wildfires right now so okay
yeah that's what's up man
job done
so y'all just be out here like just
looking for people or just pulling them
over like so like the other night when I
was
like you guys stop somebody if I like
like we had that I wanted to search
those guys into the backpack so bad we
had some guys I can tell he had stuff on
him like just how nervous he got when we
rolled up I didn't have gloves on me
that night though and this guy had
fentanyl on him so I definitely wasn't
touching his ass yeah yeah I wouldn't I
wouldn't I got a box of latex on the
truck too so oh that's what's up
yeah we try to I know we can't Pat
people down so we just move them off or
we'll just have shares come out and
trespassing but they don't want to leave
a little difficult because a lot of
places don't have the signs that they're
supposed to have so yeah they'll have to
trespassing yeah even though I mean it's
common knowledge if you read the ARs I
mean it's pretty cut and dry on
trespassing but it just depends on what
I try to do as much as possible without
the sheriffs coming out just I know
they're already [ __ ] slammed into
this okay
I was like what's your name again bro
Anthony Anthony that's right I was
getting ready to call you Justin my bad
you kind of look like more of a Justin
and that's what's up bro which so you
say you're out patrolling tonight huh
I just got done in my area and he was
like Hey we're out here I forgot you
guys worked
yeah we're out here seven days a week
or seven days a week and my neck I have
like the next
week no three days off well at four
o'clock I'm heading to Yarnell so
where's your aunt Nella up north
I don't know I've never been did you
ever hear about the Granite Mountain
Fire yeah yeah that's where I'm going oh
okay okay it's in the city of Yarnell
oh God the movie okay I got a bit I got
the jizz yeah
yeah no I don't know if you bring it up
just out of the blue
I'm going out there for uh fire
prevention
I get to go cut down all those big trees
hey and that's pretty cool so how do you
get paid man this sounds interesting or
which part well I guess what you're
doing right now so bail yeah or or like
you're out of a patrol company so oh
okay I get paid uh usually it's paid by
Warren okay so when you're like when
you're out on patrol and stuff like I
pay myself oh you just out here
my I'm basically out here to to make the
presence known that somebody's at oh at
the end of the day I mean like in my my
neighborhood I'll drive around for a
couple hours every night just I mean
well where I live we got prostitutes for
days so I'll just drive around until get
off the road you know stuff like that oh
okay
basically just making your presence now
now fire on the other hand is different
yeah that's just great I get paid per
day so 500 a day well that's nice so you
got a contract with the state of Arizona
for like to pick up on warrants and
stuff that's pretty cool
that's pretty cool but otherwise it's a
regular Patrol it's just like you being
a good Samaritan design basically check
it okay
that's crazy a Good Samaritan who can
arrest people for sure you ever pull
anybody over no
I mean the only time I'll like pull up
behind somebody uh would be like the
incident the other night when we had
somebody stalled out in the middle of
the road oh so I liked it up again
that's kind of Good Samaritan stuff if I
gotta pull somebody over I'm already on
the phone with Petey and chairs trying
to get them out there before I pull them
over nice nice
damn son yeah you doing your thing man
that's what's up that [ __ ] that's so
weird for me though it's just like yeah
I wish they could turn it off it's kind
of like a you ever see RoboCop yeah and
when they cut his arm off it was all
like still moving yeah it's like did you
take that off or it came like that oh it
came like that that's gonna find all the
replacements bro that's weird bro
that freaked me out be walking past my
car and it just I'm like oh that's what
I did the first kill I was like what the
I was like what was that sound I look
back and it's like waving and then every
time like I'll be stopped uh like I have
friends following me something why is
your car waving at us I don't know I was
trying to say hi that's funny
and it won't go off like you hit that
little switch on the steering column
switch on the steering console and it's
still nothing and we can't find the fuse
it's not labeled in the Dank fuse box
but is it it was not on when the car is
off right no that's off in the car okay
but at least it ain't killing your
battery or nothing like that
okay I don't want to turn my car off I
mean they stopped so it won't kill the
battery when the car's not running
anyways that's crazy this is nice though
I always thought about getting a
suburban and like
so I got from back east
blacking it out doing it like how the
Secret Service did theirs you know
just black on black you got the the like
the bullet spray on the windows and
stuff like that uh so my back
my back windows not the rear window my
back windows and the back uh passenger
windows are all the uh
like completely blacked out like you can
barely see in we can see out the rear in
the front are or the front's not even
tinted the rears were like
if you flash a light in you can see okay
other than that well you have like the
limo tint yeah not in the back but on
the sides I try
oh so you gotta Shine from this way but
you can't look out of it though I mean
you can't look in it
oh yeah that's crazy yeah that's nice
and dark I like that
that's crazy
Gabe was telling me about it and I'll
say I know you know because we uh we're
contracted with the city
as their patrol so I was like man that
sound pretty cool
man you can get license like that that's
pretty cool
it's a nice little break for bail too
yeah I used to be I let mine expires too
saturated like I worked for uh didn't do
it for a little while
it's called didn't do it real quick
that's what it was called that's funny
that's original name I guess
okay now we're gonna get back to it bro
I'm just going I mean unless yeah I want
to kick it or whatever I'm just chilling
that's pretty cool man I like that
got the red and blues and everything the
cyber
yeah man be careful because I know we
had a lot of shootings out here man I
was just saying oh my goodness hey funny
story last night
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at the same time Phoenix
who are you FBI
yeah Dan do I really look that up I was
like damn do I really look like that no
future recovery man like I just heard
the call over the radio came over to see
the hell was going on that's what's up
that's cool at least you got some cool
cops they don't mind
you coming out there
you know some cops be bro
some on a little sketchy I'm not
breaking any laws yeah yeah
and that's what's up man I would just be
careful bro keep your head on the swivel
because they've been targeting law
enforcement lately or anybody who
resembles it
yeah every time I have to call PD I
think make sure you're not seen
the hell you mean make sure I'm not
saying I'm already out with these guys
yeah man
yeah be careful man especially out here
young town like we uh
most of these guys we know them but you
know we
gotta be a little careful
it's good to not be known for our line
of work
for sure just um
just it's kind of nowhere here you don't
want to you don't want to know us though
yeah
all right
I'll let you get back to Amina stop you
nothing bro
man I missed the rain out here
earlier or yesterday
well I heard it dump somewhere like
right over here
I heard my Master's on Snapchat at some
concert and it was like dumping over
there Glendale it went too uh right by
the drive-in they have that four-way
intersection
maybe like here full of water
wow yeah I have to stop in the middle of
it wow has somebody lost their bumper in
the middle right in the middle of the
intersection I had to get out and move
the damn bumper wow
and you can't see 10 cars ahead at 10
feet ahead of you
I turned my yellow and whites on and uh
everybody was just like nobody could
drive it was accident after accident I
like I said I had two shootings [ __ ] ton
of accidents last night
when it rains here nobody drives nobody
knows how to drive no it's like snowing
that's why I love shooting that's how I
love shallow when it snows people know
how to drive because they're they live
in it they come down here nobody knows
how to drive they like Flagstaff a lot
of the even though they're [ __ ]
College colleges they've been there
something went to before don't know how
to drive so they'll have maybe 50 people
that don't know how open is it from the
college but the rest of us all the funk
you know that on me from Wyoming I've
driven it like practically every day
uh
my favorite chance in your head if
you're not under arrest
I think that's gonna poke me stick me
stably no nothing no
you're here
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leg straight
I mean what does he have to gain from
telling us that you're making threat to
me how was it he was the one saying he's
the one that started I told him he's
gonna talk all that [ __ ] that's the only
thing I ever said is
fine can you tell us what happened well
I would check it out like the security
guard from Circle K he was being a
little [ __ ] you know like and talking
[ __ ] to me like that tall dude that one
with the glasses okay uh he was coming
up to me all weird like really offending
me and like I was just explaining to him
well I'm not gonna kick her out I'm just
talking [ __ ] because I'm talking [ __ ]
you know and he put me in uh he called
the Securities and the Securities pulled
up and the other guy pulled up the other
one that you're talking about he pulled
up and he put me in handcuffs he was
like you got like a warrant or something
arrest for your a warrant for your
arrest and stuff and I was just like
well I'm gonna run my name so you should
have to do it he was just like being an
[ __ ] checking my pockets and like you
sure you don't have enough if you put
your hat if you like I put my hand he's
like put your hand behind your head
after I hug you like if if you Flinch
I'm gonna ask this guy to tase you
did all that
for me
did he ever identify himself
he never said I'm a cop I asked him what
had happened because I seen him in cups
oh you were there too I seen him when
they had him
he had his hand behind his hat back he
was cuffed sitting on the curb and asked
him who are they because I thought it
was security because I don't have an
authority to
um because I thought it was him he told
me no they're Bail Bonds only they I'd
like already yeah so
he told you he had a warrant before you
gave him your information yeah
and then did he ask you for your name
and your date of birth and all that and
you gave it to him and then did he ever
put you in the back of his car no no a
truck or his truck yeah didn't even
Explore it was an Explorer
yes
okay like was it like like this size or
bigger it was just the regular uh
Caravan like the regular one the small
one what was unmarked it didn't happen
anymore he didn't have his did he have
red and blue lights on no he's had like
regular lights what was he wearing
square like this jeans like this regular
uh
cargo pants and a regular shirt and he
had a vest he didn't look like law
enforcement he had a cap on it too you
didn't have beer
he was wearing a vest yeah like a vest
like these yeah but it was black okay
did it say anything on it did you notice
anything on it it was uh that's what I
was looking for I didn't see any kind of
identifying marks Did you ever see a
badge no so he never had a badge he
never identified himself as law
enforcement no did he ever say I'm a
bail bondsman no he never said anything
he just he immediately came up to you
and told you to put your hands behind
your back and put your handcuffs yeah
I think did you feel like you were free
to leave at that point
not really I didn't feel comfortable
because she was kind of being an ass to
me you know he couldn't leave they had
him on right so by being handcuffed
succeeded did you feel like you were
detained yeah you're not entertainment
right now
you are
arrested but right now so he had you in
handcuffs he told you you weren't
detained yeah but he said that you were
under arrest yeah
he never did he tell you his name or
anything like that
right on the side you're like right
outside yeah we're gonna go over there
and talk to them
and the security that
the tall uh black guy okay yes uh works
that night he seemed at all too okay
he'll be talking a lot of [ __ ] like like
he's hard or something like I understand
he has to be a little bit you know
like formal with everyone and and tell
him you know to get off property and all
that right and he goes off too far like
you know he goes too much like to to
have a conflict going on you know
we were going over there to talk to him
unlawfully detained you and a crime was
committed against him like I said if he
he don't like admitted a crime against
you would you be willing to Aid in
prosecution against him as a victim yes
you would be willing to end prosecution
okay so he's gonna get your name and
your date of birth and we're gonna put
you in as a victim okay just in case if
we have to do an investigation obviously
so if we see him we're not just gonna go
arrest him right we have to do some
investigating get everybody's statements
and then if and if an arrest is made on
him if we identify a crime has been
committed you would be willing to
prosecute against them yeah all right
cool if you just want to give him his
name we'll get you out of here all right
yeah that's fine I'll give you my ID
what do you mean Prosecuting the state
yeah so we just have to fill it
um yeah like uh it's just it's easier if
we have a Bitcoin more data is on there
is if he wants to withdraw his testimony
and doesn't want to prosecute anymore it
just be that much harder for us but it
doesn't mean that yeah
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me
[Applause]
I know
and I told him that when I see them yeah
yeah no I get it so based on the
allegations obviously like I said that's
why my sergeants out here
that's why we're happy that we were able
to locate him so that we can get a
statement because if he's going around
doing this to other people and he's not
affiliated with law enforcement then
yeah he's absolutely
yeah it was the previous night not last
night the night before yeah we're good
can you tell us where we're now so I'm
not sure exactly what had happened
before opinion got on site because you
know security guard is saying one thing
the other guy's saying another but what
we got on site I mean they were just
going back and forth about it opinion
took over uh I'm a recovery agent so I I
got that person yet
um
so if you said you ran that guy how'd
you run it I just called DPS
oh I did for like a couple minutes
I don't know I clearly always say that I
am a
which I always say
we're
a cello
work down here
I do all their like Phoenix Glendale
Scottsdale all of their like if somebody
lives in your iPhone
here
if you're like a cello they'll Bond you
out most of some people like say you're
traveling there from down here
basically yeah or they run down here to
hide from us something like that
anything like that
so I mean I have absolutely no problem
showing you guys all that I make that
very clear like how do you like if you
were to come up to me how would you
introduce yourself efficiently I go my
name is Anthony Harper I'm a fugitive
recovery agent for the State of Arizona
Department of Insurance
exactly what I say every single time
love you
I'm kind of knew what the Bell recovery
thing
you guys look for your licensed by the
state or outside so we're registered
we're not really licensed it's a
registered here I can do personally or
like the bail bonds me if you work for
me personally so basically the way that
you do it is uh you fill out an
application you get fingerprinted they
send that to the FBI a couple weeks
later you
got a plot or got approved didn't get
approved and then when you work for a
bond company they need to give you
this form right here that basically says
it here utilizing you in the state of
Arizona
and basically it's got my name my
address like everything like that so
basically you guys can or whoever can
get a hold of
foreign
yeah so she's she runs the whole company
I'm just a contract contractor basically
and what all do you guys do
this
oh we pick up like I I have I mean we
think of your guys's work sometimes same
here I'm gonna I don't have my firearm
anything on me
yeah
the state will give us stuff like this
guy was bonded out through the courts
but his like missed court they asked us
to pick him up and I think that's
actually one of your business
that's true that's because he had fun
right but it wasn't it wasn't like
bonded out like to a bond company he
just paid bail like straight up at the
board because I think it was like 100
bucks so in order to pick somebody up
that you've got to have like four people
yeah they have to so the only so when
I'm out doing stuff like that with like
the security guards and stuff the only
reason I would ever run somebody is to
see if they have warrants I don't ever
go out and just a rescue fun or anything
like that I mean everything I do is in
the preview of my Dropship do you have a
security guard license I don't for GPS
I wasn't acting as a security guard why
were you hanging out with me I just have
I was in the area that night looking for
somebody I spoke to a lieutenant that
night too and I mean I went out to him I
introduced myself everything like that
um so but I was just I was operating in
the area because we were actually
looking for this guy what was the dude
doing that you detained
I guess he was threatening the security
guard out there you know what happened
with that when I got on scene he kept
saying that the security guard that he
was trespassed from the Circle K before
security guard to ask him to leave uh
and then I guess he called somebody
while talking to the security guard
basically making a threatening call or
threatening calls like hey this guy's
gonna come do this
uh and then he kept saying the security
guard was saying it so it was like up in
the air
and how did you know something was going
on
well I was at the Q2 with security
basically I just drove over with them
yeah
we were looking for somebody to skip on
them on let's go over here
just helping them out basically how did
you introduce yourself to uh guys at the
team
my name's Anthony Harper
Beach recovery agent for the State of
Arizona Department of Insurance I
literally say the same thing no matter
what every time I meet anybody
surprised if I told you that
yourself is Officer Harper with the
state of Arizona
I don't know what I'm saying that but I
mean that's still the same thing I'll
get you the recovery officer in the
state of Arizona so what's the
difference between an officer and an
agent
I'm not sure
statute defines the middle Recovery
Agent yeah if someone doing the duties
you've just talked about the other one
right now picking up people to skip
their
if I introduce myself to you as officer
yeah
what would you think here at police
officer
so like for my best when I'm wearing
like all of my stuff it says officers as
usual recovery officer
what what's the proper title so that you
have there's multiple like distinguish
people call us for future recovery
officers talking about the legal
Recovery Agent mail Recovery Agent mail
recovery officer I've heard of like 40
million ways
to make sure I'm clear if I introduce
myself to you again
officer Paul with the state of Arizona
and I can see where that can get so why
did you use the word officers
I don't ever say that usually usually
it's literally like my whole speech
featuring Recovery Agent occasion
recovery officer something along those
lines and what Authority do you have as
a male Recovery Agent
somebody had handcuffs and restrain them
arrest them I never arrested him
that could easily be a citizen's arrest
for what
threatening remarks Arizona
no what authorities would you ever
restrain that guy and then
I guess it was it I didn't have anything
to do I mean I could I could detain
somebody to run them and that's what I
did I called DPS you can detain anybody
to run I can do change
I mean if you were committing like a
felony or something sure
and you introduce yourself as officer
the officer Harper with the state of
Arizona
so what do you think that guy thought
and that was definitely not what I was
like going for I mean I could show you
my vest my vest doesn't say any like I
didn't have any of my stuff online I do
literally this is all it was I had my
bill that tree here what about your body
cameras you got your badge with you
right now I didn't have my body came
with it did you get your badge with you
right now
you'd normally do this is just I was
riding around last night okay
what else do you do besides the Bell
recovery stuff firefighter yes sir who
do you work for I'm a wildland
firefighter Wildland yes sir okay
I'm actually heading to Yarnell I was
supposed to leave at five was that
through the state or is that through a
particular agency or what is it uh uh
Ultra got forestry okay I'm not all
clear on the smoke jumping so uh
Wildland stuff
basically they they have forestry then
you got contractors I'm on the
contractor side okay so you're just so I
can make the distinction in my mind for
myself
you don't ride around like the big
engine like you know if we called
Phoenix fire and you know how they roll
out all the ladder truck and all that
like that all that crap we were a lot in
the Wildland because you guys got like
four by four stuff too right now we have
what we do but we have like normal lunch
and stuff oh okay okay
you mind if I look at your car real
quick yes
what do you got lights for
uh when I do like
I just for accidents and stuff you got
you got lights for accidents and stuff
yeah I mean I what if I'm driving
I don't pull people over or anything
like that are you
are you a paramedic EMT kind of stuff or
what's the deal uh I'm in the EMT
volunteer firefighter and chill though
okay so you actually work for Show Low
Fire Department fire department okay do
they equip you with the lights yep they
do yeah okay
you've never used to pull everybody over
or anything like that I don't do that
stuff I don't try to impersonate police
I actually have an application in with
Avondale police yeah what what do you
mind hitting your lights for me just so
I can see what color they are
if you don't mind
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what's what the back look like
did The Backs light up
that'll work no okay
where do you got the radio from what was
that where do you have the radio from
that's just a horn
an Airborne that is oh no that's just a
here
so that's just a programmable radio
what do you use that for fires fires do
you have a scanner or anything no sir
[Applause]
uh I don't know a few weeks ago they
didn't work earlier tonight not at all
nope do you have any other gear in the
car no sir no where's your bail badge
thing
is it home yep okay
do you have your ID yes sir
oh yeah
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finally you start taking over because
I've been taking over
so much
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when you put your app in with Avondale
what was that would you put your app in
with Avondale uh
a few weeks ago I just took the the test
how'd you do I passed fast
how well did you pass because they rank
everybody you know
uh I like I don't know I think I barely
made it yeah
is that where you got at home this is
this one's mine right here okay do you
care if I nope look at that okay
so the one on the left yep
where do you carry that when it's
mounted on your stuff just right here on
my chest right on your chest left side
yep playerly visible
did you do your physical fitness with
Avondale yet I have not that is
scheduled
when's that a week and a half from today
yeah are you ready I hope so you ready
to jump walls and all that kind of stuff
I mean I go out and fight fires I hope
I'm gonna oh
you got your push-ups and sit-ups down
and all that I don't even know what they
do anymore so
all right give me just a minute let me
talk with Deputy McCammon here
it doesn't
so that's all [ __ ] too
he has to have court paperwork for
somebody to pick up right but shouldn't
it all be through that building one
company he works for
that's my understanding but
to run people for warrants and stuff he
doesn't have any authority to do that I
mean if you take somebody into custody
based on his
authorities a bail bondsman I'm sure he
can run for warrants
but he doesn't have any authority to
just go run any Joe Blow for a warrant
so
his his authority doesn't extend to what
he was doing right
and that guy doesn't have any warrants
yeah and he's saying he had a
misdemeanor right so I mean even even if
we get
the initial hit
we can detain and handcuff people right
but in order to actually arrest them
transport them book them you've got to
confirm they got the warrant so we can't
even do what he's doing just running up
on people and detaining them playing
security guard when he's he doesn't have
a security guard license
so
just uh what are you thinking man
all these I think it's strange I didn't
even know that you could do but it seems
like he's talking about an independent
contractors what
what would it sound like to me that he's
saying it's like independent Contracting
for everything I didn't even know that
you could independent contract yourself
as a firefighter age
a lot yeah I think it's the same thing
to him I'm like
he's he's
doing like these things that we don't
even have authorities
so what are you thinking about the
impersonating
experience
I think it's possible he's doing some
things out on Facebook or practice
so how about we do this
yeah it says I said certified peace
officers
personal vehicle with it exactly
exactly but you can't do that if you had
lights and stuff in your car you
you are the cops and you could do it
you're not going to last very long with
your employer because you're gonna
that's gonna be killing policy you can
get them you can you could do it legally
just
stupid idea how about we do this uh
mirandize them go over with him his
introduction to that guy
putting the guy in handcuffs all of that
again and then
I think you guys know what I'm thinking
what are you guys thinking
so I think he takes a ride for
impersonating and follow some president
just go ahead in with that asking those
questions again and then we'll go from
there I don't have a camera
you don't have what I don't have a
camera my camera only did your camera
died
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so I'm gonna try to keep my nose out of
it and just let you handle things oh I
appreciate it
all right just to cover all our houses
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so first of all there was a skull
vehicle right in the intersection I'd
originally called you guys for that
um
that QT lady came by and we met we met
the security they helped us push the car
in
um at which point we started talking
with the security they recognized that I
was fail and then uh joke around with
them for a little bit then they got the
thing too
okay uh we're in the gut and we think
you guys are out there introduce myself
to be out to it
and entertainment for a few minutes
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like completely I was not trying to
impersonate nobody or anything like that
my mind is moving really quickly
do you remember saying that or is that
just what I told you what I saw no I now
remember saying that I didn't remember I
just
my alarm was set for 5 15 and live cars
like packed up like
straight to Yarnell so
again
I can't hate anybody
so
it was my understanding and I've spoken
to one Dale Phoenix since I moved back
down here to show them that
fight like DeMent necessary to like
detangibility and I can give you the
sergeant stamp that I spoke to in
Glendale I can give you the few places
Phoenix
as long as I call you guys if I make any
sort of arrest or anything like that and
I call DPS to verify like once that's
all I've heard and that's
encourage you to verify if an individual
s
the once division yep and I tell them
who I am and they and they've all right
what's your information all right give
me a second okay warrants or yes Edwards
and then if they have warrants if you
guys aren't any out there I'll call you
guys out call Phoenix out about lend out
or whoever out
just so that they can verify that hey
you guys would end up taking taking over
at the end of the day so you have a
badge number yes 24701
yes sir
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yes sir
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I mean I've called you guys out plenty
of times I'm sure you can get through
the recordings and hear exactly what I
say when I call you guys like I had I
just I had you guys just booked somebody
ITR last week so and how does the whole
warrant with the bonds company because
I'm not familiar with that either can
you just look for any more because I
don't choose I don't choose my one so
how do you get your warrant they choose
my ones they send me the information
either from the courts or from the state
so so if they don't give you any
information on uh who has a warrant you
just take it upon yourself to go Patrol
and and look for people drive around I
don't really stop anybody
like it's
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entity why can we run them
it's like in my purview I can verify
people at once or not what review
you just said that they only they assign
you your warrants so you know what
you're looking for so I can also still
verify if people set warrants like say I
was just talking with somebody and they
gave me their name I can always be like
hey dude and I could just be walking
down the street and get something
I mean I can always verify like if
somebody's got a warrant
that is like strictly my all anything to
do with warrants is like and like I mean
I contact the Warrants Division for you
guys
Phoenix
like I make it very known like what I'm
doing just so it's like not this whole
confusion thing so that guy that just
rode by on his bicycle if you wanted to
you could stop and detain him and run
him for warrants I'm not gonna stop
cause I can't and he can't do that so
why can you do this so well I'm just
asking you the way that I have to hold
on to explain this what was the what was
the crime that was committed that night
that gave you Reasonable Suspicion or
probable cause to detain that person and
run him for warrants just making
definitely a threats to the security
guard did you hear this what did you
hear them
where's your probable cause that would
be my problem because the security guard
was saying that he
what was he doing when you got there
arguing with the security guard did you
hear any death threats no I'm just sure
is it a crime to get into an argument no
he wasn't even on the on qt's property
people it was in the alley when you
detect him he was in the outlet right he
wasn't on QT property
and then uh another thing that I heard
you say is that you have the right to
detain somebody as long as you call law
enforcement first so after you put the
handcuffs on that on that guy and you
told him he was detained did you call us
you call DPS to run him yeah did you
call them to tell them that you had him
to change I told him that I was out with
somebody did you tell them that he was
detained and that you needed a an
officer to come out here and help me
with a 10 I didn't say I needed an
option
do you see the issues yes
you were acting as a police officer am I
right no I was acting as a surveillance
you introduce yourself as an officer you
detained somebody without specifying
that you were not a police officer
so do you think it's reasonable that
this person believed that you were a
police officer at that time do you think
that he felt like he was free to leave
from your custody at that time
and that was definitely like I was not
trying to and what what did they tell
you that uh at your agency or or
municipality or whatever did they tell
you that this person had a warrant so
why would you take it upon yourself to
detain this person who hasn't committed
a crime that you've witnessed instead of
calling law enforcement to come out and
handle an unruly subject or somebody
who's trespassing something like that
why what we're trying to understand is
what
made it okay in your mind to detain that
person
and and act the way you acted my
understanding like I said was talking
with Glendale and talking with Phoenix
and all that like when I first moved
down here I sat down with them
okay so you just spoke verbally did you
ever receive any training
yeah I went through a class what kind of
class was in an academy it was offered
through my the bond company what kind of
training did you get taser like all like
how did these play situations how long
was that training class uh five days
five days okay did they teach you how to
apply handcuffs yes okay did they did
they teach you so they they taught you
that you were allowed to trespass people
from properties yes they told you that
you're safe I wouldn't say that you've
been trespassed oh literally just like
that like
that's always it's literally it's all I
can say you've been trespassing well you
can say that but totally that's all I
can say so anybody can say that but you
understand that by you saying that
there's no there's no grounds right
there's
if now I'm starting to understand so
basically what I was told isn't always
true in every County or in every
jurisdiction
because when I spoke to Glendale in
Phoenix they
they sort of laid down a different set
of rules okay
like I can stop I could be non-stop I
can detain individuals if I need to run
them
I can just I can detain them
to run them okay aside from the fact
that they said that
if I told you right now if I wanted to I
could go stop anybody and detain them
and run them for warrants would you look
me in the eye and tell me that that's a
reasonable statement
yes and no
no that's not reasonable you cannot just
stop anybody on the street and run them
because you're a Bail Enforcement agent
or whatever your title was at that day
that's that's illegal that's unlawful
detainment you understand that right
that's what I want to make sure that you
understand because I'm starting to
understand yeah
because you told us that your what is it
you're is it an agency okay they assign
you warrants
so you're like a bounty hunter you go
you look for a certain person so instead
of looking for that person
you went and patrolled with your vehicle
that's equipped with red blue lights
you hung out with the security guards
all night and then you acted as a law
enforcement officer by detaining
searching and running for wants and
warrants with no probable cause
are we on the same page here
yeah
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very good
curious if you're looking for a
particular guy in the account why are
you shadowing the security guys because
those guys know those backgrounds they
know where everything's
hot I mean my guy's young for drug use
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what specific area were you given to
look for him
well young Town's a large city or it's
not a large city but it's a city what is
it is that grand razor Grand from from
Grand to Thunderbird
from 113th to
93rd let's see General scope area that
this guy has been known to hang out is
there a did they give you a photograph
of them uh yeah
I don't need to see it I'm just asking
yeah did he did he look anything like
this this guy that you detained
so there's other than the fact that you
were just
that's there you had no reason
to be there really or or to detain them
you know what I mean
I wasn't trying to overstep stuff on
anybody's toes or anything like that
like I'm not trying to impersonate
anything like that well aside aside from
uh
how did you search them because we
didn't really talk about that too much
how did you search them just held
demonstration did you say anything to
him I made it very clear
can I search you yeah okay I'm gonna set
this right here centered on my third
right in front of him where's your ID
okay thank you and you don't have to do
any paperwork when you search somebody
where is it
if they have it
yeah
do you have any with you I don't have
any with me like I said I'm just getting
ready to go find fire so but you got
your pest with you
I'm just in there like I some of the
stuff I didn't take out so what if you
were gonna go detain somebody again
tonight and search them you wouldn't
have done that for him then
I have to do that for him anytime I
thought okay but I understand that but
you just said you don't have them but
you were out last night because I'm not
going to stop somebody
going or detain somebody I'm going to
fight a fire I mean all my fire here
sitting in my back seat like I'm I get
it but you were out last night and you
still got your vest in your car so why
wouldn't you have those search forms see
what I'm saying I took my case out of my
front seat and I got home okay I'm just
trying to understand because you got
some stuff but you don't get others you
got your red and blue lights but it
always stays in my car so I mean I don't
normally take that out
okay because you might need it if you
detain somebody on the street I just
carry that I'm just of course I haven't
I just don't take certain things out of
my car and when was the last time you
read in blues work it wasn't last night
when you were showing opinion security
because we got that on camera too
is there anything else that you need to
tell us
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this is the Bail Enforcement no guard
card no no certification
and all it is is a five-day course
so is there any way that I can get going
I have just like an hour and a half
Drive I'd have to be there at 7 30.
I think this is over my baby head here
what was that
yeah
I kind of understand that he's [ __ ] a
lot of things up too
late
well it sounds to me like 15 minutes
I mean that's what I'm leaning but I
would definitely verify this is there
that's Sergeant's idea too oh that's
what he thinks I'm on I'm on board and
he's if he agrees then
I mean he dug his own gravy he told us
everything
all right
you don't have your weapon with you
right it's not in the car your firearm
you have any other weapons in the car
anything on you at all all right go
ahead and turn around put your hands
back
unlawful detainment and important
impersonating
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way to just get a ticket
no not right now you're under arrest
you guys
go over there
all right do me a favor spank your feet
he's gonna pat you down okay
you got any property on you not that I
know of okay
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you got somebody who can come pick up
your car
uh
possibly
all right well it's on private property
so we can leave it here it's not going
to get towed or anything right now so
almost Walgreens
yeah
up in your pocket's gonna poke me stick
me stab me nope shouldn't
open your boots no sir
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can you slide these boots off pretty
easy yeah all right I'm gonna step on
the hill and then just lift up
and then same with the right one
and then as soon as he searches them
we'll have you step back in them
I can't like like grab this side just
pull it up for them
have you ever been arrested before yep
what was it for trespassing
trespassing from a business or uh a
church oh okay
that was it
and speeding tickets but I've never been
arrested for this okay
slide on in
is there any way to like put these in
the front possibly here when we get back
to the district
foreign
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